(10-11-2018 10:36 AM)Easy_C Wrote: Keep in mind though that there organizations on the the other side... And the ones outside of JQ control are Catholic affiliated which might partially explain the intense hatred.
Knights of Columbus don't advertise themselves as such but do feature secret initiations and other similar behaviors. Opus Dei is similar but dramatically more hardcore.
Allegedly, the Freemasons were founded to combat the Jesuits with an ideal based on order and reason. They were probably legit at the beginning (the Church was going through some serious issues at the time), but any "secret order" is a thousand times more vulnerable to being co-opted than an open one.
Seriously, very few organizations like this succeed for any length of time, it's much more economical to find the few that are successful and take them over.
Your Opus Dei guy is a true believer, the guys that recruited him are great guys doing great things for the community (and always seem to be able to hook you up with amazing deals and resources), but sometimes they like to party to celebrate it in ways that are less than pious. It's just stag party/fratboy fun for guys in their 30s and 40s, harmless stuff. There are some beautiful twentysomething girls floating around, but heck you're doing great things you deserve it. There is a lot of booze and cocaine also floating around (this example is from the 80s, cocaine was at every party anyway). You're eyeing an exceptional 18 year old girl and she goes onto a room. Your buddies tell you she's going in there to meet you. You go in, and it's dark, and it takes you a while to figure out it's not the same girl, but she's just as hot, and you're drunk, coked up and horny. When the lights come on and you're sobering up, it becomes obvious she's clearly underage. Your life of of guaranteed success suddenly turns into a life of guaranteed ass rapings in prison. But don't worry, your friends (that have always given great guidance before) say they can fix everything. They give you pills to help you calm down and say they've got a solution, they can make all this go away. Then you're at another ceremony in a back room, but you're used to it, you go to a lot of ceremonies with these guys. It actually makes you feel more relaxed, even though a lot of things are slightly different, such as the masks, the same kind that inspired Kubrick in Eyes Wide Shut. They have you hold a child, it's not a big deal, people hold children for Baptism in regular Christian rites, and Opus Dei has slightly different private ceremonies anyway. Everything seems OK....until the knife goes in. You're so shocked you're like a robot, and the guys that normally lead you in ceremony do subtle things to keep you involved in the ceremony. Somebody that has administered the Body and Blood of Christ to you many times in the past hands you the goblet again. It's over before you realize you were drinking the baby's blood.
To an Atheist or someone not overly religious, this is is a horrific and traumatic thing. To someone that defines themselves by their religious beliefs, it's life changing, completely changing who they are and their role in the universe. As you sober up from the booze and the drugs, you realize how WRONG the ceremony was (the Cross is upside down etc.). It seems absurd that you missed these signs and cooperated, but they've been doing this a long time, and are good at distracting people, blocking sight lines, introducing elements after the fact to instill extra level of guilt. It's a science for them, and a science behind the ceremonies they use to manipulate the human mind.
You're a lawyer, and your sober legal training starts kicking in. It's EXTREMELY difficult to use an active murderer as a free informant, and if they have anyone involved in the prosecution (they do) it just won't happen. Statutory Rape is a "Strict Liability" crime, meaning no matter how you were tricked, or what your knowledge or state of mind at the time, you're guilty. You WILL do time, and it will be the worst kind of time you can possibly do in the united states. Even if they don't interfere, there is a high likelyhood of it being a slow degrading death sentence, and ratting your way out is pretty much impossible. Even if you wanted to, you realize you were the only one at that ceremony that wasn't wearing a mask, they have a video that only implicates you, not them.
When they show you the video, it's even worse than you thought, they've put it together to make it look like you're not just cooperating, but leading much of the event, especially the child murder. It's after you've had everything you believed your identity was stripped from you, they now tell you it was all a lie, and now you'll be initiated to the "Inner Mysteries". Sleep deprivation and a bad alcohol/cocaine hangover is kicking in (and it's damn useful for their purposes). You swear new oaths, and since you are obviously clearly going to hell in the old system, you're desperately latching onto any new identity and purpose they give you. They'll have you continue to participate in ceremonies designed to re-enforce you new identity, and make sure you can never say "That wasn't me! That was just one night! That's not what I'm about!". It also creates more and more evidence against you should you decide to go rogue. Many start off thinking they're biding their time till they find a way out, but they never find a clean way out, and just keep getting dragged in further until they ARE what they were pretending to be.
It's not MK-Ultra level indoctrination, nor is it meant to be, it's more like Basic Training style indoctrination, where you break someone down completely and build them up in a new image. Very efficient too.
The system for Evangelists is a little different. They've discovered that 31-33 is the "golden age" for turning a Baptist. It's exactly where they're so committed to their identity as a Minister that the idea of starting over as an insurance salesman or something is just unthinkable. Early 30s is also where you're still horny as hell,and possibly sacrificed a lot of college/twentysomething fun for your career, and it's relatively easy to have someone "infatuated" with you seduce you and have you break your wedding vows. They'll have it set up so it will be ugly and completely destroy your reputation, your career, your marriage and your relationship with your kids in the loudest most nightmarish scandalous way possible...unless you do this one thing for them. Once they get that one thing, it's another thing, until they've got you completely painted into a corner. It's not as dramatic as the Opus Dei conditioning, but it's low effort and very effective. 30s is also great in that you don't have to grab large numbers of guys, you just grab the ones are obviously bound for success already and/or in a strategic area you need for votes or whatever, and turn them.
The point is, whatever is an established means of controlling people, they've got an established and proven way of getting their hooks in.
Even a completely paradigm changing technology, like Google, how long did it take them to figure out how to corrupt the company that began with a slogan of "Don't Be Evil?