Wouldn't be the first self proclaimed supersoldier to come out in public (Max Spiers, James Casbolt etc.)
May need to investigate further but could be a hoax too.

Quote:Nathalie says that most 1980's top models traded sex for fame and fortune. She claims she was drugged and raped by the actor Keanu Reeves.

That is certainly interesting. In the movie "Neon Demon" Keanu Reeves plays a pedophile who rapes models.
Not to mention that the whole film was filled with in-your-face occult symbolism.

For all I know the film could just have been another "show them what we do publicly and laugh at it". No reaction, no karmic debt.

What really messes with my mind is that so many of you are aware of all this shit going down and somehow delude yourselves into believing that Trump isn't part of the whole charade. Not only that, but many members actually believe he is fighting against them! And then you go on saying the useful idiots are all lefties...

Nobody rides at that level unscathed. No-one.

(10-07-2018 03:18 PM)Avadhuta Wrote:  What really messes with my mind is that so many of you are aware of all this shit going down and somehow delude yourselves into believing that Trump isn't part of the whole charade. Not only that, but many members actually believe he is fighting against them! And then you go on saying the useful idiots are all lefties...

Nobody rides at that level unscathed. No-one.

Schill.

This topic has been debated, and while we have no proof of his innocence, we have reasons to be hopeful. You're just kicking up dirt you nasty little troll.

(10-07-2018 03:23 PM)Aurini Wrote:  

(10-07-2018 03:18 PM)Avadhuta Wrote:  What really messes with my mind is that so many of you are aware of all this shit going down and somehow delude yourselves into believing that Trump isn't part of the whole charade. Not only that, but many members actually believe he is fighting against them! And then you go on saying the useful idiots are all lefties...

Nobody rides at that level unscathed. No-one.

Schill.

This topic has been debated, and while we have no proof of his innocence, we have reasons to be hopeful. You're just kicking up dirt you nasty little troll.

Yeah - we don't know the extent he is involved - probably not anywhere near as much as the other bunch. Even if all he does is what he has shown so far, then this is far better than what Obama, Hillary, Bill or the Bushes have done.

My best guess is that Trump at best fucked some underage but sexually mature willing whores or did some orgies. This does not make him a pedophile or child sacrificing murderer.

Any real real opposition would likely get the Lincoln/JFK treatment.

Trump may know enough to not mess with guys who are the world's trillionaires. If he knows the real power differential then he may calculate how much he can do and where they will move against him for real.

We won't see an end assessment of the Trump era until his second term is over. The first is certainly legions better than anything seen since at least Reagan - or beyond.

(10-07-2018 03:18 PM)Avadhuta Wrote:  What really messes with my mind is that so many of you are aware of all this shit going down and somehow delude yourselves into believing that Trump isn't part of the whole charade. Not only that, but many members actually believe he is fighting against them! And then you go on saying the useful idiots are all lefties...

Nobody rides at that level unscathed. No-one.

If they had something that useful on him, they wouldn't have needed to unify (and severely damage) the full weight of the legacy media against him. That was a massive (and costly) effort for anyone. They've never fought that hard against any candidate, and that's the best evidence we've ever had on anyone being against TPTB.

And the lesson they learned from JFK was that the public assassination of a US President is about the most dangerous thing you could do in terms of waking the masses up. It was the birth of the modern conspiracy culture, these things were unthinkable before.

That's why they went such an elaborate route to get rid of Nixon (and are following that exact same blueprint against Trump now).

(10-07-2018 12:05 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  https://www.henrymakow.com/2018/09/Ex-Mo...ifice.html

Quote:Ex-Model Incarcerated for Exposing Illuminati Child Sacrifice

https://www.amazon.com/Nathalie-Confessi...hion+Model

Her book.

No idea whether they call themselves Illuminati at the top.

But her writing about child sacrifice at the top - that is believable.

Quote:Nathalie Augustina was a MK-Ultra mind-controlled fashion model and sex slave who serviced politicians as a reward for their services to the super-rich Satanists that control the world. Her mind was compartmentalized by trauma as a young child and her sexual services were performed by another "alter." She had no recollection of them, yet it was obvious that she had been used.

Monarch mind control is also that is very likely. They would have to find tools to make those starlets and young girls be enthusiastic while sucking their decrepit old dicks.

Can you paste the child sacrifice thing, I can't find it in the link.

(10-07-2018 12:05 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  https://www.henrymakow.com/2018/09/Ex-Mo...ifice.html

Quote:Ex-Model Incarcerated for Exposing Illuminati Child Sacrifice

https://www.amazon.com/Nathalie-Confessi...hion+Model

Her book.

No idea whether they call themselves Illuminati at the top.

But her writing about child sacrifice at the top - that is believable.

Quote:Nathalie Augustina was a MK-Ultra mind-controlled fashion model and sex slave who serviced politicians as a reward for their services to the super-rich Satanists that control the world. Her mind was compartmentalized by trauma as a young child and her sexual services were performed by another "alter." She had no recollection of them, yet it was obvious that she had been used.

Monarch mind control is also that is very likely. They would have to find tools to make those starlets and young girls be enthusiastic while sucking their decrepit old dicks.

Have you ever read the Cathy O'Brien story? That's sort of the seminal work of this whole "genre" and goes back a long time. She's not afraid to name names (both politicians and show biz people) and has never ever been sued.

A lot of the things sound absolutely farfetched and impossible, like a high ranking Military Intelligence officer leading a branch of the Church of Satan and engaging is large scale child rape in military day cares, and then you google it and the guy actually exists, and the accusations were backed up with police reports (The Presidio scandal) and an outbreak of child gonorhea that couldn't be caused by any "Satanaic Panic".

One of the more memorable parts was when she's being passed around various politicians and she end up servicing some hick governor's wife. First she complained the woman forced her to go down on her after playing tennis without even taking a shower (What a dirty bird!) to complaints that she was the only woman that had ever seemed "turned on" by the specific way Cathy had been mutilated (confirmed with a videotaped gynecological exam available on youtube) and a lot of other general complaints bout her character and cleanliness. Wouldn't be that interesting overall if that governors wife hadn't ended up running for President herself decades after the book was published. A fair amount with Trudeaus dad as well.

Puts a lot of Huma Abedeens duties in perspective after you read it.

I'm not claiming it's true, but it's actually internally consistent, and I would recommend it as the most original and creative horror story I've ever read even if you just wanted to treat it as pure fiction. Skip the part written be her husband (it's just not that interesting, and is at best self serving crap trying to glom onto his wife's (far more interesting) story.

A little clarity on Huma Abadeen thing. According to O'Brien, you were "owned" by the big names in the organization, but you were publicly married to a much smaller fish that was your full time handler, made sure your programming was holding up 24/7 and received rewards within the organization. Assuming Huma was part of this system, she would have belonged to Clinton, and Weiner would have been her handler, and the extra push and protection for his political career would have the reward. Would also explain why he was such a horndog if he wasn't allowed to touch his "wife".

https://www.henrymakow.com/2018/09/Ex-Mo...ifice.html

Article by Makow on the above.

It's all far-fetched and in the could-very-well-be category. The biggest clearest insights were around the Dutroux affair in Belgium where even the Belgian royals were implicated. Then you have the strange occult symbolism everywhere, the Luciferian/Satanic necklace of Lady Rothschild, then bits and pieces of newspaper reports of French castles being found with models in cages - minor note in some local newspaper. It's akin to the Pizzagate stories recently - you have the emails, you have even some murky videos, some rather obvious Instagram posts of kill-rooms, pedophilia depictions, macabre "art", countless clearly non-food-related emails - AND THEN? Nothing.

I know that there is the entire Q thing, but aside from unconfirmed reports there is not much further.

The power structure is just too enmeshed and can only be resolved from above or a total revolution. And even if the top one day cleans house - they are going to do it silently.

LOLOLOL

President Trump isn't perfect. Judge Kavanaugh is a Bush era stooge that may very well be a mistake pick that hurts us decades down the line. Couldn't he send law enforcement to arrest Soros? Is it possible he banged some underage girls or did something of that nature? I agree with the general assessment that we still need to give the man time, but even then compared to what we've seen from W Bush and Obama in just 2 years President Trump is exceeding expectations. No more of this pansy "The jobs aren't coming back!" President Trump has set a standard to fighting tooth and nail for your constituency.

I can only worry about my own problems but I would seriously be shocked if President Trump leads a MAGA Congress post midterms to disband the Federal Reserve (unelected officials that devalue our money through inflation). At that point nobody can call him controlled opposition.

(10-07-2018 03:18 PM)Avadhuta Wrote:  What really messes with my mind is that so many of you are aware of all this shit going down and somehow delude yourselves into believing that Trump isn't part of the whole charade. Not only that, but many members actually believe he is fighting against them! And then you go on saying the useful idiots are all lefties...

Nobody rides at that level unscathed. No-one.

I agree with you. There's entire group of Tradcons out there onto this Pedogate shit, but according to them everyones a Pedo except for Trump.....lol Come on, really? The guy is best bros with Jeffrey Epstein, a known billionaire pedophile who reportedly had a orgy where Trump was in attendance and the two of them shagged these two underage girls and forced them into lesbian sex.


The man who coined "Grabs em By the Pussy" is a clean slate? Give me a break. It's a little cultish. At the very least he's got Government Hookers on tap now.


Love this thread though. Definitely gonna check out that models book. To me, this stuff is a real as gets. If you would have told me 10 years a go the world was run by wealthy psychopathic pedophiles who's interest are protected by the armed forces and FBI I would have laughed in your face. Now I'm not laughing. A lot of people who come out share stories that match up: Taken to a rich mansion. Ritually humiliated. Abused. Forced to eat their own shit. Forced to act out degrading, sometimes mutilating sexual acts on themselves and others. Some tortured to death. All the while know celebs, politicians and aristocrats sip wine and have a laugh at their expense.

Also, I'm sure it's been brought up before. This movie was made by a far left homosexual marxist, but a lot of people believe, like Kubrick for Eyes Wide Shut, he was murdered for it. You can't unsee this shit so be careful. Without question, THE most powerful film I've ever seen. I still get these Vietnam-esqe PTSD flashbacks to the final 10 minutes from time to time.

https://imgur.com/a/ZFhMa0d

(10-08-2018 08:10 PM)Echovoid_52 Wrote:  

(10-07-2018 03:18 PM)Avadhuta Wrote:  What really messes with my mind is that so many of you are aware of all this shit going down and somehow delude yourselves into believing that Trump isn't part of the whole charade. Not only that, but many members actually believe he is fighting against them! And then you go on saying the useful idiots are all lefties...

Nobody rides at that level unscathed. No-one.

I agree with you. There's entire group of Tradcons out there onto this Pedogate shit, but according to them everyones a Pedo except for Trump.....lol Come on, really? The guy is best bros with Jeffrey Epstein, a known billionaire pedophile who reportedly had a orgy where Trump was in attendance and the two of them shagged these two underage girls and forced them into lesbian sex.

You lose some credibility when you you use "best bros with Jeffrey Epstein" in [/quote]present tense. They had a falling out (allegedly because Trump wouldn't tolerate behavior half so heinous) a long time ago he's been banned from Mar A Lago for years.

Do you have a source for Trump banging the underage girl? They threw absolutely everything they could possibly throw at someone during the election, and this is the first I'm hearing about it. Epstein was definitely a Clinton buddy, if they had anything half this juicy it would have been on the 5 O'clock news for 3 months straight and he never would have been President. Heck, that contrived "Pissgate" story has zero evidence, and that has more than 3 months total in the national news.

I'm note even asking anything overly solid, I literally haven't even heard the rumor before. Can you give us your most credible link to look at and analyze?

(10-07-2018 05:34 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  https://www.henrymakow.com/2018/09/Ex-Mo...ifice.html

Article by Makow on the above.

It's all far-fetched and in the could-very-well-be category. The biggest clearest insights were around the Dutroux affair in Belgium where even the Belgian royals were implicated. Then you have the strange occult symbolism everywhere, the Luciferian/Satanic necklace of Lady Rothschild, then bits and pieces of newspaper reports of French castles being found with models in cages - minor note in some local newspaper. It's akin to the Pizzagate stories recently - you have the emails, you have even some murky videos, some rather obvious Instagram posts of kill-rooms, pedophilia depictions, macabre "art", countless clearly non-food-related emails - AND THEN? Nothing.

I know that there is the entire Q thing, but aside from unconfirmed reports there is not much further.

And don't forget the Franklin Cover up,

(09-30-2018 06:48 AM)Aurini Wrote:  

(09-30-2018 01:34 AM)renotime Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 09:15 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  < The director was gay, so there was no need. As for the female exec - the only younger most bangable actress is a lesbian, so who knows whether she had to lap up Amy Pascal's furry carpet.

Paul Feig is married to a woman. If he is gay he's in the closet like Hugh Jackman.

He's not gay, he just has an awkward relationship with femininity.

He so deep in the closet he can see Narnia. I'll give him a shot at being Bi but that's it.

(10-07-2018 03:18 PM)Avadhuta Wrote:  You lose some credibility when you you use "best bros with Jeffrey Epstein" in present tense. They had a falling out (allegedly because Trump wouldn't tolerate behavior half so heinous) a long time ago he's been banned from Mar A Lago for years.

Do you have a source for Trump banging the underage girl? They threw absolutely everything they could possibly throw at someone during the election, and this is the first I'm hearing about it. Epstein was definitely a Clinton buddy, if they had anything half this juicy it would have been on the 5 O'clock news for 3 months straight and he never would have been President. Heck, that contrived "Pissgate" story has zero evidence, and that has more than 3 months total in the national news.

I'm note even asking anything overly solid, I literally haven't even heard the rumor before. Can you give us your most credible link to look at and analyze?

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/d...ped-230770

https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/lea...3933370500

(10-08-2018 08:45 PM)DarkTriad Wrote:  He so deep in the closet he can see Narnia.

New video from Jon Irving.

Potential explanation and some good research regarding the blood and cannibalism interest

Now Warner Bros. & DC are getting in bed with James Gunn for Suicide Squad 2...

As if the DCEU doesn't already have enough to deal with.

(10-09-2018 04:01 PM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  Now Warner Bros. & DC are getting in bed with James Gunn for Suicide Squad 2...

As if the DCEU doesn't already have enough to deal with.

Well, at least they're trying to stay true to the Suicide Squad name....economic suicide is still suicide.

(10-07-2018 12:05 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  https://www.henrymakow.com/2018/09/Ex-Mo...ifice.html

Quote:Ex-Model Incarcerated for Exposing Illuminati Child Sacrifice

https://www.amazon.com/Nathalie-Confessi...hion+Model

Her book.

No idea whether they call themselves Illuminati at the top.

But her writing about child sacrifice at the top - that is believable.

Quote:Nathalie Augustina was a MK-Ultra mind-controlled fashion model and sex slave who serviced politicians as a reward for their services to the super-rich Satanists that control the world. Her mind was compartmentalized by trauma as a young child and her sexual services were performed by another "alter." She had no recollection of them, yet it was obvious that she had been used.

Monarch mind control is also that is very likely. They would have to find tools to make those starlets and young girls be enthusiastic while sucking their decrepit old dicks.

Since we're on the topic, I'm going to give my take on the MK-Ultra/Monarch stuff, mostly thorough lens of Cathy O'Brian's book, but also many other sources. Haven't read the book in awhile, and sometimes mix sources over the years, so bear with me. According to Cathy, not everyone can be MK-Ultra-ed, most people just won't suppress memories or create "split personalities" in a way that is useful enough for a handler to use them reliably. The "split" is actually an evolutionary coping mechanism, because otherwise someone suffering from that level of torture/trauma would just be too horribly PTSDed to be remotely functional as human beings, never mind effective agents. Some people are more amenable to this than others (and it tends to run in families). Even in "amenable" family lines, a lot of times the training just won't take

This is fine, because they've discovered that one of the most effective traumas is for a child to witness another child (possibly a friend or relative) be tortured and sacrificed in a really creepy Satanic ceremony...that you're forced to participate in. It's actually worse than in sounds, because they've literally spent CENTURIES fine tuning how to make this horribly traumatic thing even more horrible (it was originally used by certain secret societies and cults long before the CIA picked it up and perfected it with their MK-Ultra program). It also (understandably) makes their slaves deathly afraid to fail or fail to cooperate.

The families most likely to have this ability are the ones that that have already demonstrated it at a very rough level - inter generational incest cases. If you've got multiple generations of family members molesting the next generation of family members, there is a high likelyhood they're exceptionally good at compartmentalizing things and not thinking or talking things that are unpleasant and traumatic for them. TPTB fish for these people as a natural resource. In Cathy's era, child porn was still delivered by mail. One day it also arrives with a couple of FBI agents. They made Cathy's father an offer he couldn't refuse...he could go to prison (in an era where diddlers frequently did not survive their sentence) or he could work for them, doing absolutely anything they wanted. And one one of the things they wanted was his daughter (attractive young girl, future Hustler model, one of the big deal porno mags of the era). Dad left for a few weeks (apparently for training at an MK Ultra handlers program) and returned with a smirk on his face. Next they took Cathy for a lengthy period where she was broken down and put back together again, using torture, drugs and hypnosis. They've been doing this for a long time, and equipped her with the "alters" (alternate personalities) that were most useful for their purposes, including a couple of compulsively suicidal ones that would find a way to kill themselves if triggered. Others included a cooperative sex kitten, and another that has completely horrified and screamed when she was raped, but could not effectively resist.

Returning home was hell, constant calorie restriction, sleep deprivation and abuse are part of the program to keep you compliant. She was forced to service various politicians and priests, as well as turn out a steady stream of child pornography...often with her brothers and sisters. If her conditioning showed signs of slipping, they would ship her out to the torture camp again for re-tuning. As she got older one of her duties became courier/messenger. This was apparently a common and crucial role of MK-ULTRA subjects....we saw the kind of havoc a few lost emails by Podesta caused. In Cathy's era, almost all sensitive communication was verbally told to an MK-ULTRA courier, orally transmitted to the receiver, and then promptly forgotten by the MK-ULTRA messenger, even the meeting itself. This was considered one the most important skills they had, otherwise you couldn't run an organization on that scale without paper trails and rats. And unless an idiot like Podesta gets lazy, the worst the can happen is a "crazy lady" get institutionalized . Heck even when she's trying to explain it after years of therapy and de-conditioning, all this STILL sounds fairly crazy. BTW - She might very well be crazy or wrong, but I've seen enough crazy stuff over the years, it makes more sense for something like this to exist than not. Nobody is ever going to throw away a weapon this useful, and it's existence has already been confirmed by the CIA in Congressional hearings. Even Monarch (the sex slave program), where the CIA chief said "We don't do that sort of thing anymore." If you don't do it "anymore" that's an admission that at some point you WERE doing it.

She switched handlers a few times over her career, and was subjected to a variety of programs. including a non religious centered one based around reptilians. I get the impression this one was invented when people were becoming more secular and the religious ones weren't taking as well, so instead of an all seeing Satan making you feel helpless, it was all seeing aliens. They used drugs, hypnosis and a simple light show to make it look like his skin was turning into scales and in her suggestible state, she completely went with it.


And Cathy's family was recruited....which means she had it substantially easier than the "inter-generational Satanists". Remember, if you have human robots, you eventually end up with robots programming more robots. These methods seem very labor intensive right now, but the idea itself is pretty unsettling. Which bring us to the inter-generational Satanists. They're the one's with the most proven susceptability to these compartmentalization techniques because they've been in it actively for generations (maybe centuries) and may be born into a high rank or purpose in the cult. What I'm going to use here is (allegedly) the lingo of this cult, so forgive me of this sounds over the top, this is (supposed to be) what they actually call themselves, and like many cults, they're pretty over the top. A woman born into the cult, and specifically chosen to breed the next generation of leaders/slaves for certain qualities is called a "Mother of Darkness".

The initial method is intense helicopter parenting, and "love bombing" beyond which even the most spoiled children generally receives. The mother in NEVER far from the child, and the child receives endless love and affirmation from their mother and never lacks for anything. Then one day (around ages 3-5) mother is suddenly gone, and the child is left hungry for the first time in his life. Then the child is systematically tortured (usually a lot of electroshock to avoid marks, but sometimes designed to intentionally leave scarring). The child cries out for his mother, and for the first time in his life, the mother does not respond. The child is tortured, then locked in a box full of spiders or snakes (whichever scares them more, they've had a lot of time to research) and taken out and tortured some more. I'm not using the word "torture" lightly either, they've had a lot of time to find out exactly how far you can take a 3 year old without them dying, and they go as far as they can, and expect occasional casualties when they go this hard. It's part of the program. The whole time, the child is screaming for his mother, and for the first time in his life, she just isn't responding. It's the first time he's ever suffered loneliness either, and every day he prays for his mother to save him. Then one day, the mother does show up...but she doesn't rescue him. She looks at him with intense contempt and REJECTS him in the most brutal way possible, and tells him she was the one that wanted him tortured. She'll join in the torture at this point, but the job is usually already done by then. He has been rejected by the most loving figure in his life in the cruelest most painful way possible and his brain will do ANYTHING possible to shut that memory away and get his loving mother back. This is where he get's his first "alter", and it get's easier to split him after that, for any purpose they want. As was done to his own mother...the mother that lovingly raised him isn't even the same person as the one the rejected and tortured him, even if they happen to share the same body.

Suspected Intergentational Satanists...Podesta, Anderson Cooper. Anderson Cooper is from the the fabulously wealthy and influential Vanderbilt family and worked for the CIA "prior" to becoming a journalist, and reached the pinnacle of that profession with amazing speed. And not all gay men are the result of being raped by other men, but that was definitely part of his upbringing if he was part of this cult. His brother mysteriously committed suicide at a young age (another thing common in families of this cult). Podesta has strangely scarred hands that are consistent with certain kinds of cult conditioning, as well as incredibly influential status and those bizarre emails and artwork.

That, my friends is the enemy we're fighting in the shadows. Whenever you see bizarre behavior by governments and large institutions, stuff that makes no Godly sense, it's often because it makes Ungodly sense.

And again, I'm agnostic on whether Cathy O'Brian is legit or not (the half of the book written by her husband is extremely self serving and I recommend skipping completely.). For the stuff she says to be true, everything we were taught growing up had to be a lie. But this is actually true for many of us already. And there are an endless lists of books and sources making similar allegations for decades and looking at these organizations from different direction and I think it's worth looking at.

What I want to know amongst other things is how long has the American government been infiltrated by satanism.

(10-09-2018 10:59 PM)HornyRamone Wrote:  What I want to know amongst other things is how long has the American government been infiltrated by satanism.

Carroll Quigley mentioned that they have been in control of both presidential candidates ever since Lincoln - he said 100 years back in 1965. Andrew Jackson was the last one in my mind who actually came close to toppling them, but did not enact full monetary reform or stamp out fractional reserve banking - as he was not savvy enough on the issue. And that was almost 200 years ago. The hit at Jackson failed.

The elite families were into sick shit likely before that dispensing of the royal families who were opposed to them - Wilhelm line in Germany, Habsburgs in Austria (devout Catholics), Russian Czar.

Even the US founding fathers were all initiated into the Masonic cult that the elite began to control ever more. The French revolution was already controlled by them and Britain had been subverted by money and marriages. The king who supposedly abdicated for "love" was forced to do so. Alan Watt mentioned that the king wanted to oppose the globalists publicly - they knew about his private opinions. He was told to step down over some cover-story or ELSE. He chose wisely or would have ended up dead anyway.

When Brexit went through against my expectations everyone was saying: "See - it's not some kind of super-powerful cabals reigning supreme!" 2.5 years later the UK is still not out of the EU and even if they will make the change, then they already said that open borders and mass migration will continue.

Based on that then Donald Trump is nothing but a breather in the long march towards Brave New World. He may not be fully initiated and corrupt, but they certainly can manage him well enough at the top. But it's literally impossible to be a real game changer. I still remember how Samseau said that Trump would do those massive changes. Don't take me wrong - Trump is great, but I never had illusions that he would be able to be Andrew Jackson.

(10-09-2018 08:26 PM)DarkTriad Wrote:  And again, I'm agnostic on whether Cathy O'Brian is legit or not (the half of the book written by her husband is extremely self serving and I recommend skipping completely.). For the stuff she says to be true, everything we were taught growing up had to be a lie. But this is actually true for many of us already. And there are an endless lists of books and sources making similar allegations for decades and looking at these organizations from different direction and I think it's worth looking at.

This is the whole problem. Trying to follow and make sense of these people is tough, and they start making accusations about famous people based only on their recollections, and then they start arguing with each other and calling each other fake (Fiona Barnett, the Australian victim, is all over the place. Her Twitter feed is a rat's nest), and you find yourself in the middle of a bunch of unhinged female drama.

You almost have to force yourself into the "believe the victim" camp to take it seriously, which is not happening.

I'm like you though. I wouldn't put anything past the elites, for sure, but this movement needs some sober spokespeople for these extreme claims to be taken seriously.

(10-10-2018 05:21 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  

(10-09-2018 10:59 PM)HornyRamone Wrote:  What I want to know amongst other things is how long has the American government been infiltrated by satanism.

Carroll Quigley mentioned that they have been in control of both presidential candidates ever since Lincoln - he said 100 years back in 1965. Andrew Jackson was the last one in my mind who actually came close to toppling them, but did not enact full monetary reform or stamp out fractional reserve banking - as he was not savvy enough on the issue. And that was almost 200 years ago. The hit at Jackson failed.

The elite families were into sick shit likely before that dispensing of the royal families who were opposed to them - Wilhelm line in Germany, Habsburgs in Austria (devout Catholics), Russian Czar.

Even the US founding fathers were all initiated into the Masonic cult that the elite began to control ever more. The French revolution was already controlled by them and Britain had been subverted by money and marriages. The king who supposedly abdicated for "love" was forced to do so. Alan Watt mentioned that the king wanted to oppose the globalists publicly - they knew about his private opinions. He was told to step down over some cover-story or ELSE. He chose wisely or would have ended up dead anyway.

When Brexit went through against my expectations everyone was saying: "See - it's not some kind of super-powerful cabals reigning supreme!" 2.5 years later the UK is still not out of the EU and even if they will make the change, then they already said that open borders and mass migration will continue.

Based on that then Donald Trump is nothing but a breather in the long march towards Brave New World. He may not be fully initiated and corrupt, but they certainly can manage him well enough at the top. But it's literally impossible to be a real game changer. I still remember how Samseau said that Trump would do those massive changes. Don't take me wrong - Trump is great, but I never had illusions that he would be able to be Andrew Jackson.

What are your thoughts on the masons? You say the elites infiltrated them, but they've always been elitist or at least secretive and esoteric based. Are you saying the traditional elites of Europe have been infiltrated by the satanic (and probably alien) elite through the masons?

< Don't start with me on the Alien stuff. This theory that Aliens are scheming for tens of thousands of years while living in primitive times is insane.

At the very best one might assume that some Aliens crash-landed and then stayed - their genome flowed into ours, but that's all.

As for Freemasons - they have very liberal agendas among them - initially also supported to circumvent the very real censorship of the church. The church in Europe tried to prevent such thing as cutting up the body, the opposed the fact that blood was flowing through the body - saying that obviously blood was standing still. And it was illegal to "desecrate" the human body. They opposed many other ventures, so this secret meetups with those men was certainly somewhat necessary. Freemasons also gave back some and funded operas, theaters and parks.

https://www.henrymakow.com/jewish_peril.html

I read that they began to take it over sometime before 1800.

"And the Gentiles, in their stupidity, have proved easier dupes than we expected them to be. One would expect more intelligence and more practical common sense, but they are no better than a herd of sheep. Let them graze in our fields till they become fat enough to be worthy of being immolated to our future King of the World..."