Post: #26

I also need to point out that a lot of is also because they're a movement that doesn't put their money where their mouth is.

I won't waste time re-hashing what MGTOWs believe. But you know what someone who actually implements MGTOW would look like? It's a far cry from how most of them are.





It's Mountain Men and their ilk. Those who have actually turned their back on society, and shunned active participation. Those who run their own businesses and are otherwise disengaged in society....and those who have retreated abroad.

If they're here and using recreational internet, and posting videos on Youtube, and whining on Facebook, that's very much not "going your own way". It's still actively participating in everything you claim you're leaving.

Post: #27

For guys not familiar with MGTOW, I suggest googling and downloading "eternal bachelor archive." That, while entertaining, told me all I need to know.
It's basically the good old Red Pill if you are paralyzed from the waist down.

Post: #28

Seems uncomfortably close to aspects of neomasculinity at times, too. I suspect part of the motivation for vociferous criticism from the Manosphere is how closely related neomasculinity and MGTOW really are.

Post: #29

(12-12-2015 11:48 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  The reason MGTOWs are derided is because the mentality of some of the biggest MGTOWs on the internet is voluntary celibacy and outright quitting.

There are more basement dwelling,video game playing MGTOWs who don't see the value in social interactions and disregard game and self improvement as a waste of time.

Certain aspects of the MGTOW attitude are in fact good. They make you your own center for which women and other people orbit around. However the value you project to the world is what causes people to gravitate to you. If you have no value then no one comes to you.

But wholly removing yourself without creating value is a waste ones time on this planet.

Yeah, unfortunately a decent large %-tage of the MGTOW people fit into the category you describe in the first part.
Kinda sad actually, because otherwise there would be also some value in it.

But there are also some people in MGTOW (not many though) who actually are all about personal development.

Post: #30

(12-12-2015 06:15 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  If you're older and have been divorce-raped or otherwise had a full life and then had the rug pulled out from under you, then MGTOW makes sense, if only as a break from the troubles women can bring.

But if you're 15-30 doing this, frankly, you have serious issues. When you're young women are plentiful and single and there is really no reason to be hiding from them. I couldn't imagine being an MGTOW in college. It would have been impossible anyway, unless someone locked me in the dorm cellar.

There is a big difference between being self-focused and MGTOW. Being young(under 40 never married) and self focused means not giving your money away in a relationship, not having children, completing your education and pursuing your passions, banking your money, seeing the world, getting the most out of life.

So the seductive nature of MGTOW on young men in my opinion is whats most dangerous of all. Do you think anything has changed in this world in the last 30 years? The exact same political climate and SJW societal issues existed in 1992, when I became politically aware in high school. SJW's existed heavily then, this is not a new thing, at all. WW3 has always been on the horizon. Many of the same issues we are dealing with right now in the world existed then. And here is the big reveal; nothing has changed. With exception to 9/11, no 'big event' has happened that would 'reset the clock' and return us to a more 'appropriate age of enlightenment.' I used to fantasize what me and my family would do after WW3. That was 1983, I was 8 years old. If you want to base your life on that, thats fine, but you will be limited. There is music, money and merriment to be made in this life, and whether or not you want it is your choice, but the world has largely been the same since WW2. Adapt or die as they say.

I think there is a better approach to MGTOW. Exist in your daily life, but who gives a shit if you get married or what your appearances are. Be a single happy guy, with money in the bank, and the time, energy and focus to go after your passions 100%. You will always have to deal with women, and they will always be there, but dont give yourself or money away. I get no fulfillment out of relationships now, but thats because I spent over 20 years with 4 women. I don't need kids, intellectual conversation, mutual interests, hobbies, or any of that. Bank your money and become the immovable object before you decide to invest in a relationship, and there is no limit to what you can do in this world.

I could easily be jaded as hell, broken and laying in a pool of my own sweat and blood. I love women and wont ever stop. But it wont detract from my life now, or limit what I want to do.

Post: #31

(12-12-2015 02:15 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  If you can get pussy you veer towards Neomasculinity, or some similar concept and create a great life.

If you can't get pussy you veer towards MGTOW and cry like a bitch on the internet.

Mainly I share those observations after have been looking around in the MGTOW-froums a bit.
As I have stated myself, most of them fall likely in your described category and are full of shit and hate.

But very little people there seem to me to be on the next level, have more women in their lives then the can handle and put selfbettering just above everything else included women.

Like Im living since years in SEA and I could have literally every single day a new woman in my life and constantly I have to rotate my harem.
Trust me that other things than women will become in such a luxury great situation of puss-over-supply, for which I am very greatful, way way more important.
Things like career, financial freedom, personal development, fsports (for me fitness bodybuilding) and the list goes on and on.

Still you will appreciate of course women n your life and you will have another look on everything compared to your early days as a player - just trust me on this one.

Is just interesting for me and I will b honest with you:

regards to the later stages of a player, there are not many users in %-tage out in either of them

a.) in red pill, pu-communities
b.) in MGTOW forums

Players on a later stage has to deal regards o the area of a.) with all the hungry newbies who put getting pussies very high n their priorities due to not yet getting them on a constant basis.

Regards to b.) a higherlevel player has to deal with lots of hatred loosers who just escape.

I can see why area a.) is on average way way more appaeling to me.
But I can also see some really high level players at the MGTOW forums (again: they make a very low % out of the whole community) and of course those few people have some god stuff to share, as well.

Some of the posters there are reminding me a bit of Roosh or Rollo Tomassi themselves.

Post: #32

MGTOW seems to me be a very un-proactive attitude, a selfish ME first consumer attitude lifestyle choice program which really implies a real surrender of their being any value in western women.

If you see something broken: FIX IT!

A lot of the emphasis on this forum is on getting out of dodge, and meeting sexy feminine women from other countries.

Sure, there is that, but there is also taking stock of what you have got in the western women and working with her, and facilitating her healing.

However, I understand this attitude is alien to the selfish, want to buy it right off the shelf attitude typical of western men.

Any women will respond if you proactively bring out her value, but you must understand what that value is in the first place and a lot of men are just clueless and don't really know what they want from women in the first place or even see any value there in the first place.

Post: #33

(12-13-2015 04:16 PM)tiggaling Wrote:  taking stock of what you have got in the western women and working with her, and facilitating her healing.

Are you serious? This sounds too much like being captain-save-a-ho.

Post: #34

(12-12-2015 08:50 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  The true alternative path should be MGEWTWOOL (Men getting exactly what they want out of life)

I like it

Post: #35

(12-13-2015 04:16 PM)tiggaling Wrote:  MGTOW seems to me be a very un-proactive attitude, a selfish ME first consumer attitude lifestyle choice program which really implies a real surrender of their being any value in western women.

If you see something broken: FIX IT!

A lot of the emphasis on this forum is on getting out of dodge, and meeting sexy feminine women from other countries.

Sure, there is that, but there is also taking stock of what you have got in the western women and working with her, and facilitating her healing.

However, I understand this attitude is alien to the selfish, want to buy it right off the shelf attitude typical of western men.

Any women will respond if you proactively bring out her value, but you must understand what that value is in the first place and a lot of men are just clueless and don't really know what they want from women in the first place or even see any value there in the first place.

Are you kidding? If I want to grow crops it would make sense to do it where the soil is most fertile and easy to work with. Why would I want to do that with earth that is rocky and baren.

You've been a member here since 2012? It's fitting that post of yours was your 666th, but please tell us more about all the "quality stock" of western women.

Post: #36

(12-13-2015 05:11 PM)Onto Wrote:  Are you kidding? If I want to grow crops it would make sense to do it where the soil is most fertile and easy to work with. Why would I want to do that with earth that is rocky and baren.

Like you said in my trip report thread, once you get a taste of being in a LTR with a halfway decent non-western woman, you can't go back. Trying to date western women is like expecting gourmet chocolate in your santa stockings on Christmas morning and finding coal instead.

Post: #37

(12-13-2015 04:16 PM)tiggaling Wrote:  Sure, there is that, but there is also taking stock of what you have got in the western women and working with her, and facilitating her healing.

However, I understand this attitude is alien to the selfish, want to buy it right off the shelf attitude typical of western men.

Any women will respond if you proactively bring out her value, but you must understand what that value is in the first place and a lot of men are just clueless and don't really know what they want from women in the first place or even see any value there in the first place.

Seriously guys, man up and marry those Western sluts

Edit: I propose a new kind of forum troll - the cuckservative

Post: #38

(12-13-2015 04:16 PM)tiggaling Wrote:  If you see something broken: FIX IT!

A lot of the emphasis on this forum is on getting out of dodge, and meeting sexy feminine women from other countries.

Sure, there is that, but there is also taking stock of what you have got in the western women and working with her, and facilitating her healing.

However, I understand this attitude is alien to the selfish, want to buy it right off the shelf attitude typical of western men.

Any women will respond if you proactively bring out her value, but you must understand what that value is in the first place and a lot of men are just clueless and don't really know what they want from women in the first place or even see any value there in the first place.

I fundamentally disagree. A broken women is damaged at her very core, and cannot be fixed*. Once a woman has been passed around and used as a dick sleeve for a decade, she can't go back to being a loving, innocent, feminine creature worthy of commitment. A woman's ability to bond to a man is finite and precious, and quickly exhausted. This has been known throughout history, and is the reason why virginity was always treasured in every society.

*With a massive amount of introspection, contrition, and concessions, it is possible for some women to accept reality and mend their damaged soul. However, >90% will never admit their mistakes and instead double down on their destructive tendencies while attempting to rationalize it away.

Post: #39

MGTOWs basically assert that when it comes to sex you always pay for it.
Therefore, they mostly resort to p4p.

An example an MGTOW's thinking:

"Prostitutes are also better if you are over 40.

I am 43, average height (5'10") and I prefer prostitutes by far.

I have visited escorts sporadically since my mid-20s. Back then I thought of dating as my primary objective, with escorts only as a safety valve.

But around the age of 30, I noticed something: sex with escorts was a lot hotter, more satisfying, and lot cheaper, when you factored in time and distraction factors. I gradually came to accept the fact that I liked prostitutes a lot better than I liked "civilian" women.

For the past 10 years, I have pretty much used them exclusively. I went on my last conventional date in 2001. I have also used the sugar daddy dating sites, which is basically an informal, completely legal version of prostitution.

At 43, I have access to hot women who are in their early 20s...There is no way I would even think about dating at this point, given the horrors on Match.com in my age range."

Another example:

"Last month I went to a major city on business, and had the occasion to visit the city mall. Three stories of raw commercialism on display, and it suddenly hit me as I walked through the halls that nearly every man besides myself was with a shopping bag toting female, and nearly every shop catered in some way or another to women. It was a humbling thought to have.

It puts you as a man in an interesting position:with everyone else you know on the Expressway to Hell, you have free reign to chart your own party in ways completely inconceivable to the crowd. Want to move across the country? Go for it!

Want to save up for a 50k dollar sports car? Do it!

Think spending money on females is stupid? Opt the fuck out.

It's all possible. The great thing about going your own way, is you are the only obstacle."

Post: #40

(12-14-2015 02:36 AM)Filbert Wrote:  MGTOWs basically assert that when it comes to sex you always pay for it.
Therefore, they mostly resort to p4p.

An example an MGTOW's thinking:

"Prostitutes are also better if you are over 40.

I am 43, average height (5'10") and I prefer prostitutes by far.

I have visited escorts sporadically since my mid-20s. Back then I thought of dating as my primary objective, with escorts only as a safety valve.

But around the age of 30, I noticed something: sex with escorts was a lot hotter, more satisfying, and lot cheaper, when you factored in time and distraction factors. I gradually came to accept the fact that I liked prostitutes a lot better than I liked "civilian" women.

For the past 10 years, I have pretty much used them exclusively. I went on my last conventional date in 2001. I have also used the sugar daddy dating sites, which is basically an informal, completely legal version of prostitution.

At 43, I have access to hot women who are in their early 20s...There is no way I would even think about dating at this point, given the horrors on Match.com in my age range."

Another example:

"Last month I went to a major city on business, and had the occasion to visit the city mall. Three stories of raw commercialism on display, and it suddenly hit me as I walked through the halls that nearly every man besides myself was with a shopping bag toting female, and nearly every shop catered in some way or another to women. It was a humbling thought to have.

It puts you as a man in an interesting position:with everyone else you know on the Expressway to Hell, you have free reign to chart your own party in ways completely inconceivable to the crowd. Want to move across the country? Go for it!

Want to save up for a 50k dollar sports car? Do it!

Think spending money on females is stupid? Opt the fuck out.

It's all possible. The great thing about going your own way, is you are the only obstacle."

This might be the wrong forum for you.

Post: #41

An example of MGTOW's thinking:

"To each their own! I totally respect and get where you're coming from.

I've never been able to pull off pick-up artistry though. It's not the approaches I have trouble with, but the fact that I feel sort of guilty about leading someone on. I mean, sure my targets are probably complete cunts who have screwed over dozens of guys in the past, but in all likelihood, they haven't done anything to me personally. I just have trouble manipulating others for my own gain... it doesn't work for me. (I know... this coming from one of the biggest hooker advocates on this forum).

Another risk is, say one of the plates you're spinning is a little "unbalanced?" That could lead to way more than you bargained for (angry phone calls, embarrassing revelations to friends and family, false accusations...). I'll never forget a guy I knew in college (who was a master at spinning plates) when the police came for him at my apartment on a false rape charge. He was eventually found innocent, but the case went all the way to trial and completely wrecked his life."

Post: #42

MGTOWs actually assert that when it comes to sex you always pay for it.
An example of an MGTOW's rationale:

"Prostitutes also better if you are over 40

I am 43, average height (5'10") and I prefer prostitutes by far.

I have visited escorts sporadically since my mid-20s. Back then I thought of dating as my primary objective, with escorts only as a safety valve.

But around the age of 30, I noticed something: sex with escorts was a lot hotter, more satisfying, and lot cheaper, when you factored in time and distraction factors. I gradually came to accept the fact that I liked prostitutes a lot better than I liked "civilian" women.

For the past 10 years, I have pretty much used them exclusively. I went on my last conventional date in 2001. I have also used the sugar daddy dating sites, which is basically an informal, completely legal version of prostitution.

At 43, I have access to hot women who are in their early 20s...There is no way I would even think about dating a this point, given the horrors on Match.com in my age range."
*

Post: #43

I don't see how that could be cheaper. You can get a girl in bed for the price of your lunch and chatting her up. Hell sometimes the girls pay for me.

Post: #44

Interesting how my post seems so provocative to so many guys.

I think if you actually have compassion and find some western women worthy of your time - there can be healing.

This is also often beyond your own personal interests.

Roosh made a post a long time ago, saying that would you want to spend your lifetime fixing what is broken, or try and find where the grass is greener?

It doesn't take a lifetime, and I'm not saying to marry western women, but I'm saying, rather than complaining about what is broken, why not put some effort into fixing it? Not all men can roam the world. Many of us live in the west and this is what we have, so work with what you have rather than becoming a selfish, narcissistic MGTOW! who has surrendered all hope in women, when they may often only have reference points for western women.

(12-13-2015 05:45 PM)thoughtgypsy Wrote:  A woman's ability to bond to a man is finite and precious, and quickly exhausted. This has been known throughout history, and is the reason why virginity was always treasured in every society.

Could it be that the nature of the common man's shallow, hit and run sexuality which is what causes women's lack of ability to bond?

So many guys here are so appalled at the nature of other guys penis's being in a girl.

My criticism of a lot of the dialogue in this forum recently, is that it is regressive and overly conservative, I can't see there is a real forward for society a whole in men just wanting virginal girls.

If that is the case, go to Azerbaijan, find a nice gal and case closed! :-) What more is there to really say?

I'm more interested in forms of thinking that are explorative, and proposing new modes of being, thinking and doing.

http://www.amazon.com/Sex-Dawn-Stray-Mod...8&qid=&sr=

Post: #45

(12-14-2015 10:08 AM)tiggaling Wrote:  I'm more interested in forms of thinking that are explorative, and proposing new modes of being, thinking and doing.

http://www.amazon.com/Sex-Dawn-Stray-Mod...8&qid=&sr=

I went to this link and it shows that this book has been frequently bought together with another book entitled, "The Ethical Slut: A Practical Guide to Polyamory, Open Relationships & Other Adventures by Dossie Easton". In a neomasculine forum like this, using an example like this only diminishes the credibility of your post.

Now, there's nothing inherently wrong with promoting exploratory thinking and "proposing new modes of being, thinking, and doing". Shit, we do it all the time here. But we don't take kindly when it is done so within a shaming context.

For example, one might use "So you're against gays and polyamory? You're closed minded! You need to be more open minded!" as a very common shaming tactic that I've heard as early as 15 years ago.

Post: #46

(12-14-2015 10:08 AM)tiggaling Wrote:  Interesting how my post seems so provocative to so many guys.

I think if you actually have compassion and find some western women worthy of your time - there can be healing.

This is also often beyond your own personal interests.

Roosh made a post a long time ago, saying that would you want to spend your lifetime fixing what is broken, or try and find where the grass is greener?

It doesn't take a lifetime, and I'm not saying to marry western women, but I'm saying, rather than complaining about what is broken, why not put some effort into fixing it? Not all men can roam the world. Many of us live in the west and this is what we have, so work with what you have rather than becoming a selfish, narcissistic MGTOW! who has surrendered all hope in women, when they may often only have reference points for western women.

Here's the thing. If what you propose were true, this forum likely wouldn't need to exist in the first place. Many guys are here because they've tried to show women compassion and respect, and got burned for it. Not just once, or twice, but over and over. That's what's necessary to see the pattern and understand a woman's nature. To this you may say "Well that's sample bias. You seek out the sluts and damaged women because they give you easy sex." But I think there's enough stories out there to show this applies to the "good girls" too.

A man's reaction to that doesn't have to be to give up entirely, but go where the ground is fertile. Anyone whose spent time in a country with feminine women realizes that it makes much more sense to focus your effort on women who are receptive to being treated like a human being. You can't change someone who doesn't want to change.

A man produces over a billion sperm for every egg a woman produces. An attractive woman doesn't have to lift a finger to find a willing partner, while a man almost always does. Women set the market, so they set the barrier to entry. If they wanted to be treated with compassion, they would reward the guys who showed it.

(12-14-2015 10:08 AM)tiggaling Wrote:  Could it be that the nature of the common man's shallow, hit and run sexuality which is what causes women's lack of ability to bond?

So many guys here are so appalled at the nature of other guys penis's being in a girl.

My criticism of a lot of the dialogue in this forum recently, is that it is regressive and overly conservative, I can't see there is a real forward for society a whole in men just wanting virginal girls.

If that is the case, go to Azerbaijan, find a nice gal and case closed! :-) What more is there to really say?

I'm more interested in forms of thinking that are explorative, and proposing new modes of being, thinking and doing.

http://www.amazon.com/Sex-Dawn-Stray-Mod...8&qid=&sr=

No. The common man does not have shallow, hit and run game. The common man is a thirsty beta who indulges her every demand. He is the guy who listens to her complain about the guys she bangs, and thinks "Someday she will appreciate my kindness and compassion". He goes without, which is why the common man's strategy is often wrong.

I'm not proposing to treat all women like worthless whores, but what you're saying seems like a recipe for disappointment. I generally don't lie to women, but treating them with the same level of respect and compassion I would treat a friend is usually mistaken for weakness and punished as a result. Western women are not delicate creatures, and require a different set of gloves than our grandfathers wore.

Post: #47

(12-14-2015 10:08 AM)tiggaling Wrote:  Interesting how my post seems so provocative to so many guys.

It's provocative because it's the usual rehash of the "man up" advice that traditional conservatives seem to stick to, even though it's clearly failed.

(12-14-2015 10:08 AM)tiggaling Wrote:  I think if you actually have compassion and find some western women worthy of your time - there can be healing.

This is also often beyond your own personal interests.

Yes guys, step up and make EVEN more sacrifices, even when it's clear that nobody else has done the same for you, and never will.

(12-14-2015 10:08 AM)tiggaling Wrote:  Roosh made a post a long time ago, saying that would you want to spend your lifetime fixing what is broken, or try and find where the grass is greener?

It doesn't take a lifetime, and I'm not saying to marry western women, but I'm saying, rather than complaining about what is broken, why not put some effort into fixing it? Not all men can roam the world. Many of us live in the west and this is what we have, so work with what you have rather than becoming a selfish, narcissistic MGTOW! who has surrendered all hope in women, when they may often only have reference points for western women.

As you may have noticed from this thread, MGTOW isn't popular here. But fucking (heh) Western women and then dumping them is - because not only is that what they deserve, that's what they want (despite any hamster protests otherwise).

(12-14-2015 10:08 AM)tiggaling Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 05:45 PM)thoughtgypsy Wrote:  A woman's ability to bond to a man is finite and precious, and quickly exhausted. This has been known throughout history, and is the reason why virginity was always treasured in every society.

Could it be that the nature of the common man's shallow, hit and run sexuality which is what causes women's lack of ability to bond?

Yup, it's all men's fault, as the traditional conservatives say. Nothing is ever women's fault.

(12-14-2015 10:08 AM)tiggaling Wrote:  So many guys here are so appalled at the nature of other guys penis's being in a girl.

Most girls are appalled at the nature of other girls' fingers being in their guy's wallet.

(12-14-2015 10:08 AM)tiggaling Wrote:  My criticism of a lot of the dialogue in this forum recently, is that it is regressive and overly conservative, I can't see there is a real forward for society a whole in men just wanting virginal girls.

Sliding standards for women is how we got here in the first place. One pre-marital sex partner became two, which became three, which soon became the entire football team, etc.

(12-14-2015 10:08 AM)tiggaling Wrote:  If that is the case, go to Azerbaijan, find a nice gal and case closed! :-) What more is there to really say?

I agree. But just because you're stuck in the West, doesn't mean you should lower your standards. Again, that's how Western women got where they are in the first place.

(12-14-2015 10:08 AM)tiggaling Wrote:  I'm more interested in forms of thinking that are explorative, and proposing new modes of being, thinking and doing.

http://www.amazon.com/Sex-Dawn-Stray-Mod...8&qid=&sr=

I agree with what CleanSlate said about this.

Post: #48

I went MGTOW about a year after college. I have never regretted it and have remained there. I had plenty of sex, one night stands, fun times, whatever in college. After college I realized how much harder it was to meet women, to deal with women, and how much more the average work day in an office sucked more than I had imagined.

At about the same time the women in the USA seemed to nose dive. I can still watch TV programming from the 1990's v. 2000's and the demeanor and dress of the female characters between those two decades is almost night and day. Meeting women became harder due to no college logistics combined with women had far less to offer.

I don't plan to end my MGTOW until I am very wealthy. I have worked FAR too hard, trying to escape the middle class office job by working 2nd and 3rd side jobs, saving every penny, and investing as much as I can, to have some skank come and steal half of it.

What I crave isn't sex, I crave freedom. And with our collapsing economy, this is becoming very difficult. I originally planned to be there by 35. Now after nearly 2 decades of working 2 and 3 jobs and living like a homeless person, I am hoping at 45.

If you are a man lucky enough to either be born into great wealth, or able to manufacture a good income without some soul crushing middle class job, then by all means go enjoy it. Travel the world, chase women in the USA, whatever you feel like.

If you are like 95%+ of men in the west, MGTOW is the best bet IMO. Getting women is VERY easy, it should not be considered an accomplishment what so ever. The issue is what happens once you "get" them. More like, they GET you.

- Pregnancy - consider your life over in the west.
- Marriage - consider your life over in the west.
- False Rape charges - consider your life over in the west.

All for some sex, not even close to worth it. It isn't just the low quality women, it is the sky high risk with no return.

Also, for you guys 35 and under. As you age, you will want far more out of life than just random sex. You will want purpose and reason for your life. If you get trapped in a marriage without finding this purpose, you probably never will find it, and will be a slave to her constant demands and urges. If you get to 35+ without being married, you have a chance to find this purpose. But most any woman you meet after this will want kids ASAP and that cuts your chances as well.

IMO, MGTOW is the way to go unless you are one of the lucky born into it top 5% of men.

Post: #49

It_is_my_time, I understand what you mean. To a large extent, I don't find western women to be worth the time and effort. But there are other options. I don't presume to know your situation, but many men here have had enjoyable experiences in Southeast Asia, South America, and Eastern Europe.

Women play games everywhere, but there are places where femininity is still treasured. While I have no plans to marry a Pinay, it's undeniable that I enjoy a warm satisfaction when they cook for me or give a back massage. There are places where pregnancy, false rape accusations, and marriage are much less risky propositions.

You've built up a nice nest egg. It may be worth it to consider taking it somewhere with a cheap cost of living, and an environment where rewarding interactions with women are still possible. There's no rules saying you're stuck here.

Post: #50

(12-14-2015 12:40 PM)thoughtgypsy Wrote:  It_is_my_time, I understand what you mean. To a large extent, I don't find western women to be worth the time and effort. But there are other options. I don't presume to know your situation, but many men here have had enjoyable experiences in Southeast Asia, South America, and Eastern Europe.

Women play games everywhere, but there are places where femininity is still treasured. While I have no plans to marry a Pinay, it's undeniable that I enjoy a warm satisfaction when they cook for me or give a back massage. There are places where pregnancy, false rape accusations, and marriage are much less risky propositions.

You've built up a nice nest egg. It may be worth it to consider taking it somewhere with a cheap cost of living, and an environment where rewarding interactions with women are still possible. There's no rules saying you're stuck here.

Oh definitely, in fact that was my original plan. Just get to $500,000 net worth and then move overseas.

I have been at this for nearly 20 years, I know well how much better women are in some countries v. others. What is amazing isn't just the feminine nature of women in other countries, it is their intelligence. I have had many long conversations with women from other countries about issues such as economics/politics and such. And they are often very informed and intelligent. I don't know if there is a woman born after 1985 that could even hold an intelligent conversation from the USA.

But with my schedule, there is no way I could take off 2 weeks and travel to another country. And TBH, it isn't worth it just to get laid. Just not a big deal to me.

As for taking my nest egg and moving, as I said that was my plan until 2007. But the economy in the west is about to implode. And the last thing I want to be is stuck in another country when this happens. It could get VERY ugly VERY fast if the US economy takes the expected nose dive. And being an American in a country hurt by this could be deadly for you.