Post: #276

(10-06-2015 11:48 PM)Vanguard Wrote:  Yet, when Israel, the only non-Islamic and functioning democracy in the Middle East tries to protect itself from Iran and it's proxies you criticize them.

So you're saying it's OK for Israel to wage offensive wars with their neighbors because of their cultural neuroses and need to attention whore?

(10-06-2015 11:48 PM)Vanguard Wrote:  How can you possibly justify that? Is it because you believe they're treating Palestine unfairly?

Even though I do think they're treating the Palestinians unfairly, that's not how I justify myself. My justification is that my tax dollars allow Israel to exist. Of all the foreign aid the US hands out annually, Israel receives more than anyone else. It's been this way for decades. If someone expects me to support them financially, then isn't it reasonable for me to have a say regarding how they live their life? It's OK for the parents of a college age girl to threaten to cut off her tuition if she dates some guy they don't like. This is no different.

(10-06-2015 11:48 PM)Vanguard Wrote:  If so, do you not understand that Palestine is yet another safe haven for Islamic radicals who cowardly hide behind women and children?

And the IDF are cowardly fucks who kill women and children. Who really has the moral high ground here?

(10-06-2015 11:48 PM)Vanguard Wrote:  And don't you think it's slightly hypocritical that you strongly condemn the Muslim invasion of Europe, yet support radical Islamic regimes?

These are mutually exclusive issues, and only those who deal in absolutes would kid themselves into thinking they're related.

You could probably take this rhetoric over to the John McCain subforum at cuckservativechat.net and I'm sure you'll fit in just fine. This SJW shaming nonsense isn't going to fly around here.

Post: #277

https://www.rt.com/news/317864-russian-w...es-launch/

Quote:4 Russian warships launch 26 missiles against ISIS from Caspian Sea

Post: #278

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Post: #279

@Quintus Curtius: We usually agree in a lot of points, but you have to agree that Iran supports international terrorism. My country suffered 2 attacks backed by the Iranians, and even if the targets were jewish, argentine citizens, no matter their religion, died on those attacks. And that is just the tip of the iceberg. There is no "innocent victim" country in the world

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Post: #281

@Mekoring:

What one country calls "international terrorism", another country calls "using asymetrical warfare to fight back using the tools that you have."

The countries that have all the resources and power often call it "terror" when the people they bully try to fight back.

There are those countries who pose as noble, virtuous, innocent victims, and yet commit on a routine basis all sorts of military aggressions. It's just that you don't hear about it.

So no, I don't concede your point at all. Iran doesn't do anything that America and Israel already do on a daily basis. There is no moral high ground that the US and Israel can claim with regards to anything in the Middle East, and history has proven that.

What Iran does is nothing in comparison to what its enemies do. No comparison at all. It's just that you're conditioned to believe that they're the "bad guys."

The reality here is one of power politics. Those who have the power want to dominate and control those who have little power. And if you're not a slave for them, they will hate you, malign you, and target you for destruction.

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Post: #282

(10-06-2015 07:42 PM)Bona fide Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 07:37 PM)Tex Pro Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 07:34 PM)Bona fide Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 07:30 PM)Tex Pro Wrote:  ^Putin got a lot out of Ukraine.

He could have kept going, but he figured he play the long game instead:

Ukraine Is Being Told to Live With Putin

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/20...with-putin

Old info buddy.Today (yesterday) Putin agreed that there to be no elections in the region in 2015.If they to take place in 2016 they will be on Ukrainian terms with full participation of Ukraine and Ukrainian parties.

Poroshenko is a smart SOB.He tries to avoid Bosnia option and keep on pushing for Croatia one (if you know anything about Yugoslavian conflict).

There is nothing smart about Porkys plan.

His economy is rapidly dis-integrating. The idea that Ukraine will ever join the EU is a joke, and everyone knows it.

Putin basically wants to get Ukraine back on its terms just like it did with Georgia.

It is not,really.Not much changed in Ukraine.The currency devaluated indeed but Rouble devaluated even more.The economy is forecast to grow next year by 1.5% (while Russian economy keeps falling).

Putin has already failed to get Ukraine on its terms.This is a fact.Now is the hardest part for Ukraine,let's see.Ukraine seems to be winning in Donetsk.

Couple it with the fact the Russian economy is in bad state and potentially disastrous campaign in Syria and we will possibly not see Putin as the head of Russia already next year.The next leader is likely to be more balanced and will be forced to withdraw from Ukraine and give back Crimea.

I've yet to see any reports of forecasted GDP growth in Ukraine. Source?

Any GDP growth in Ukraine relative to Russia would be after a greater contraction due to the war.

But given that you consider Putin being replaced in the next year, and even worse, Crimea being returned to Ukraine as possible outcomes it is clear that either your mind has been completely warped by Kiev junta propaganda or that you came here just to troll. Crimea is Russia.

Post: #283

(10-07-2015 12:21 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  @Mekoring:

What one country calls "international terrorism", another country calls "using asymetrical warfare to fight back using the tools that you have."

The countries that have all the resources and power often call it "terror" when the people they bully try to fight back.

There are those countries who pose as noble, virtuous, innocent victims, and yet commit on a routine basis all sorts of military aggressions. It's just that you don't hear about it.

So no, I don't concede your point at all. Iran doesn't do anything that America and Israel already do on a daily basis. There is no moral high ground that the US and Israel can claim with regards to anything in the Middle East, and history has proven that.

What Iran does is nothing in comparison to what its enemies do. No comparison at all. It's just that you're conditioned to believe that they're the "bad guys."

The reality here is one of power politics. Those who have the power want to dominate and control those who have little power. And if you're not a slave for them, they will hate you, malign you, and target you for destruction.

.

Funny, usually those using asimetrical warfare claim responsability of their actions, and do not deny the act and try to shield the posible perpetrators inside their borders. Also, Argentina was at war with Iran? Last time i check, no. And argentinian citizens died, all because a country funded a terrorist attack based on religion. So no, it was not "asimetrical warfare", it was a pure and simple terrorist attack, and attack on a soft target with the cause of making a political message. I do not care if the current Iranian goverment suffered at the hands of the USA, Israel or the martians, that does not justify what they did. And please, do not assume i am not conditioned to see if one or another are "bad boys", actions speak for themself. And for further note, i do not consider the USA or Israel "friends" of Argentina, but the saying "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" is not always true.

Post: #284

(10-07-2015 01:22 PM)Mekorig Wrote:  

(10-07-2015 12:21 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  @Mekoring:

What one country calls "international terrorism", another country calls "using asymetrical warfare to fight back using the tools that you have."

The countries that have all the resources and power often call it "terror" when the people they bully try to fight back.

There are those countries who pose as noble, virtuous, innocent victims, and yet commit on a routine basis all sorts of military aggressions. It's just that you don't hear about it.

So no, I don't concede your point at all. Iran doesn't do anything that America and Israel already do on a daily basis. There is no moral high ground that the US and Israel can claim with regards to anything in the Middle East, and history has proven that.

What Iran does is nothing in comparison to what its enemies do. No comparison at all. It's just that you're conditioned to believe that they're the "bad guys."

The reality here is one of power politics. Those who have the power want to dominate and control those who have little power. And if you're not a slave for them, they will hate you, malign you, and target you for destruction.

.

Funny, usually those using asimetrical warfare claim responsability of their actions, and do not deny the act and try to shield the posible perpetrators inside their borders. Also, Argentina was at war with Iran? Last time i check, no. And argentinian citizens died, all because a country funded a terrorist attack based on religion. So no, it was not "asimetrical warfare", it was a pure and simple terrorist attack, and attack on a soft target with the cause of making a political message. I do not care if the current Iranian goverment suffered at the hands of the USA, Israel or the martians, that does not justify what they did. And please, do not assume i am not conditioned to see if one or another are "bad boys", actions speak for themself. And for further note, i do not consider the USA or Israel "friends" of Argentina, but the saying "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" is not always true.

So all in all "screw Iran" because of muh feels.

Well, guess what, Israel hurt muh feels too.

Iran is not a "friend". Iran is for Russia and everyone an ally, because their common enemies was dumb enough to engage them both with warmongering rhetoric and bring them closer togheter.

There is no friendship in international politics, and particularly war. One leader doesn't appeal to other leader's emotions.

Post: #285

(10-07-2015 01:24 PM)Orion Wrote:  

(10-07-2015 01:22 PM)Mekorig Wrote:  

(10-07-2015 12:21 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  @Mekoring:

What one country calls "international terrorism", another country calls "using asymetrical warfare to fight back using the tools that you have."

The countries that have all the resources and power often call it "terror" when the people they bully try to fight back.

There are those countries who pose as noble, virtuous, innocent victims, and yet commit on a routine basis all sorts of military aggressions. It's just that you don't hear about it.

So no, I don't concede your point at all. Iran doesn't do anything that America and Israel already do on a daily basis. There is no moral high ground that the US and Israel can claim with regards to anything in the Middle East, and history has proven that.

What Iran does is nothing in comparison to what its enemies do. No comparison at all. It's just that you're conditioned to believe that they're the "bad guys."

The reality here is one of power politics. Those who have the power want to dominate and control those who have little power. And if you're not a slave for them, they will hate you, malign you, and target you for destruction.

.

Funny, usually those using asimetrical warfare claim responsability of their actions, and do not deny the act and try to shield the posible perpetrators inside their borders. Also, Argentina was at war with Iran? Last time i check, no. And argentinian citizens died, all because a country funded a terrorist attack based on religion. So no, it was not "asimetrical warfare", it was a pure and simple terrorist attack, and attack on a soft target with the cause of making a political message. I do not care if the current Iranian goverment suffered at the hands of the USA, Israel or the martians, that does not justify what they did. And please, do not assume i am not conditioned to see if one or another are "bad boys", actions speak for themself. And for further note, i do not consider the USA or Israel "friends" of Argentina, but the saying "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" is not always true.

So all in all "screw Iran" because of muh feels.

Well, guess what, Israel hurt muh feels too.

Iran is not a "friend". Iran is for Russia and everyone an ally, because their common enemies was dumb enough to engage them both with warmongering rhetoric and bring them closer togheter.

There is no friendship in international politics, and particularly war. One leader doesn't appeal to other leader's emotions.

No Orion, is not "muh feels". It is basic logic: A country´s goverment financed/organized an attack against civilians in my territory, ergo i can not trust in the goverment that finance/support terrorism. Only if you base your internacional policy in the purest realpolitik you began to scoff off cirncunstances like that.

Post: #286

(10-07-2015 01:30 PM)Mekorig Wrote:  

(10-07-2015 01:24 PM)Orion Wrote:  

(10-07-2015 01:22 PM)Mekorig Wrote:  

(10-07-2015 12:21 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  @Mekoring:

What one country calls "international terrorism", another country calls "using asymetrical warfare to fight back using the tools that you have."

The countries that have all the resources and power often call it "terror" when the people they bully try to fight back.

There are those countries who pose as noble, virtuous, innocent victims, and yet commit on a routine basis all sorts of military aggressions. It's just that you don't hear about it.

So no, I don't concede your point at all. Iran doesn't do anything that America and Israel already do on a daily basis. There is no moral high ground that the US and Israel can claim with regards to anything in the Middle East, and history has proven that.

What Iran does is nothing in comparison to what its enemies do. No comparison at all. It's just that you're conditioned to believe that they're the "bad guys."

The reality here is one of power politics. Those who have the power want to dominate and control those who have little power. And if you're not a slave for them, they will hate you, malign you, and target you for destruction.

.

Funny, usually those using asimetrical warfare claim responsability of their actions, and do not deny the act and try to shield the posible perpetrators inside their borders. Also, Argentina was at war with Iran? Last time i check, no. And argentinian citizens died, all because a country funded a terrorist attack based on religion. So no, it was not "asimetrical warfare", it was a pure and simple terrorist attack, and attack on a soft target with the cause of making a political message. I do not care if the current Iranian goverment suffered at the hands of the USA, Israel or the martians, that does not justify what they did. And please, do not assume i am not conditioned to see if one or another are "bad boys", actions speak for themself. And for further note, i do not consider the USA or Israel "friends" of Argentina, but the saying "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" is not always true.

So all in all "screw Iran" because of muh feels.

Well, guess what, Israel hurt muh feels too.

Iran is not a "friend". Iran is for Russia and everyone an ally, because their common enemies was dumb enough to engage them both with warmongering rhetoric and bring them closer togheter.

There is no friendship in international politics, and particularly war. One leader doesn't appeal to other leader's emotions.

No Orion, is not "muh feels". It is basic logic: A country´s goverment financed/organized an attack against civilians in my territory, ergo i can not trust in the goverment that finance/support terrorism. Only if you base your internacional policy in the purest realpolitik you began to scoff off cirncunstances like that.

That exactly IS the point. Leaders DO base their international politics in purest realpolitik. Realpolitik is by no means pure scientific based rationalism. To the contrary, what is REAL to one nation is not to other, because their cultures (and hence their goals) vary. World only briefly witnessed relatively peaceful eras, and it is no coincidence that every peaceful era was result of one nation's relative hegemony (Roman, British, American).

As i previously said, leader can to a certain extent appeal to his people's emotions, but he cannot do so with foreign nations which are attached to their own leaders. Hence realpolitik.

Post: #287

(10-07-2015 01:30 PM)Mekorig Wrote:  

(10-07-2015 01:24 PM)Orion Wrote:  

(10-07-2015 01:22 PM)Mekorig Wrote:  

(10-07-2015 12:21 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  @Mekoring:

What one country calls "international terrorism", another country calls "using asymetrical warfare to fight back using the tools that you have."

The countries that have all the resources and power often call it "terror" when the people they bully try to fight back.

There are those countries who pose as noble, virtuous, innocent victims, and yet commit on a routine basis all sorts of military aggressions. It's just that you don't hear about it.

So no, I don't concede your point at all. Iran doesn't do anything that America and Israel already do on a daily basis. There is no moral high ground that the US and Israel can claim with regards to anything in the Middle East, and history has proven that.

What Iran does is nothing in comparison to what its enemies do. No comparison at all. It's just that you're conditioned to believe that they're the "bad guys."

The reality here is one of power politics. Those who have the power want to dominate and control those who have little power. And if you're not a slave for them, they will hate you, malign you, and target you for destruction.

.

Funny, usually those using asimetrical warfare claim responsability of their actions, and do not deny the act and try to shield the posible perpetrators inside their borders. Also, Argentina was at war with Iran? Last time i check, no. And argentinian citizens died, all because a country funded a terrorist attack based on religion. So no, it was not "asimetrical warfare", it was a pure and simple terrorist attack, and attack on a soft target with the cause of making a political message. I do not care if the current Iranian goverment suffered at the hands of the USA, Israel or the martians, that does not justify what they did. And please, do not assume i am not conditioned to see if one or another are "bad boys", actions speak for themself. And for further note, i do not consider the USA or Israel "friends" of Argentina, but the saying "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" is not always true.

So all in all "screw Iran" because of muh feels.

Well, guess what, Israel hurt muh feels too.

Iran is not a "friend". Iran is for Russia and everyone an ally, because their common enemies was dumb enough to engage them both with warmongering rhetoric and bring them closer togheter.

There is no friendship in international politics, and particularly war. One leader doesn't appeal to other leader's emotions.

No Orion, is not "muh feels". It is basic logic: A country´s goverment financed/organized an attack against civilians in my territory, ergo i can not trust in the goverment that finance/support terrorism. Only if you base your internacional policy in the purest realpolitik you began to scoff off cirncunstances like that.

Mekorig, are you 100% positive it wasn't an Israeli false flag?

Post: #288

I do not know what do you understand for realpolitiks Orion. Realpolitik is basically foreign relations based in practical and rational considerations, and not in moral, dogmatic or ethical bases. Since Kissinger the US foreign relations policy have been realpolitik, even if they put a mantle of ideologism upon it.

Post: #289

(10-07-2015 02:08 PM)Big Nilla Wrote:  

(10-07-2015 01:30 PM)Mekorig Wrote:  

(10-07-2015 01:24 PM)Orion Wrote:  

(10-07-2015 01:22 PM)Mekorig Wrote:  

(10-07-2015 12:21 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  @Mekoring:

What one country calls "international terrorism", another country calls "using asymetrical warfare to fight back using the tools that you have."

The countries that have all the resources and power often call it "terror" when the people they bully try to fight back.

There are those countries who pose as noble, virtuous, innocent victims, and yet commit on a routine basis all sorts of military aggressions. It's just that you don't hear about it.

So no, I don't concede your point at all. Iran doesn't do anything that America and Israel already do on a daily basis. There is no moral high ground that the US and Israel can claim with regards to anything in the Middle East, and history has proven that.

What Iran does is nothing in comparison to what its enemies do. No comparison at all. It's just that you're conditioned to believe that they're the "bad guys."

The reality here is one of power politics. Those who have the power want to dominate and control those who have little power. And if you're not a slave for them, they will hate you, malign you, and target you for destruction.

.

Funny, usually those using asimetrical warfare claim responsability of their actions, and do not deny the act and try to shield the posible perpetrators inside their borders. Also, Argentina was at war with Iran? Last time i check, no. And argentinian citizens died, all because a country funded a terrorist attack based on religion. So no, it was not "asimetrical warfare", it was a pure and simple terrorist attack, and attack on a soft target with the cause of making a political message. I do not care if the current Iranian goverment suffered at the hands of the USA, Israel or the martians, that does not justify what they did. And please, do not assume i am not conditioned to see if one or another are "bad boys", actions speak for themself. And for further note, i do not consider the USA or Israel "friends" of Argentina, but the saying "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" is not always true.

So all in all "screw Iran" because of muh feels.

Well, guess what, Israel hurt muh feels too.

Iran is not a "friend". Iran is for Russia and everyone an ally, because their common enemies was dumb enough to engage them both with warmongering rhetoric and bring them closer togheter.

There is no friendship in international politics, and particularly war. One leader doesn't appeal to other leader's emotions.

No Orion, is not "muh feels". It is basic logic: A country´s goverment financed/organized an attack against civilians in my territory, ergo i can not trust in the goverment that finance/support terrorism. Only if you base your internacional policy in the purest realpolitik you began to scoff off cirncunstances like that.

Mekorig, are you 100% positive it wasn't an Israeli false flag?

That theory popped up in a moment (as well a Syrian connection theory) but the Iranian connection was the strongest based in the evidences and investigation. Is interesting that Nisman, the federal prosecutor investigating the case, was found "suicided" the day after he was going to dennounce a deal between the current argentinian goverment and the iranian (with the posible venezuelan intermediation) for a huge ammount of money for the closure of the iranian line of investigation and nuclear tech.

In the case of the 1992 Israeli Embassy bombing, a islamisc organization, the Islamic Jihad Organization, wich apparently have some connections to Hezbollah and Iran claimed responsability.

Post: #290

Interestingly enough, given this thread's title, at the time of these bombings Mekorig and Quintus Curtius are referring to, the Argentinean president was... of Syrian origin (and maybe still had his Syrian citizenship).

Also interesting is the fact that some Argentinians suspect "Iranian operatives" of having recently offed the prosecutor in charge of the AMIA case...

I might add that the name "d'Elia" is well known to Mekorig, and not to his liking...

Post: #291

(10-07-2015 02:41 PM)Going strong Wrote:  Interestingly enough, given this thread's title, at the time of these bombings Mekorig and Quintus Curtius are referring to, the Argentinean president was... of Syrian origin (and maybe still had his Syrian citizenship).

Also interesting is the fact that some Argentinians suspect "Iranian operatives" of having recently offed the prosecutor in charge of the AMIA case...

I might add that the name "d'Elia" is well known to Mekorig, and not to his liking...

Did not know that "Who must not be named" had sirian citizenship. I know of his family origin (in fact me parents knew him before he was Las Rioja governor, and it is a common rumor that his son´s death was caused by a serious misunderstanding with some sirian/iranian interests.

As for Delia...he is a merc, pure and simple. For enough money he will root for anyone or anything.

Post: #292

Lots of shilling going on.

Post: #293

Putin's birthday today.

I wish him all the best and many more healthy years to keep up the great job.

Below new song by Russian pop star Timati, "my best friend is the President Putin", I subscribe.

Post: #294

Either they are the dumbest motherfuckers in history repeating the same errors again and again or they are led by clever people along certain lines - still nice quotes and photo-ops:







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Also this is hot news:

Quote:Iraq Asks For Russian Airstrikes; US Air Force "Small Help"

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/ir...lp/ri10285

Iraq is asking for Russian help now! I guess the US "allies" of Iraq realized that US airstrikes do not seem to strike the ISIS buggers as promised.

Quote:In a devestating blow to US influence in the country it occupied in 2003, Iraq's government has called for Russian assistance against ISIS. Meanwhile, Iraqis in the streets are celebrating Vladimir Putin.

Quote:Iraq's PM Haider al-Abadi “welcomes” Russian airstrikes inside Iraq; ​
al-Abadi calls US airstrikes just “a small help”
ISIS has stepped up terror bombings in Iraqi cities
A large chorus of Iraqi MPs are calling for Russian aid
Russia says will consider Iraqi appeal for help
Vladimir Putin praised by ordinary Iraqis

This is too crazy now.

Post: #295

^^ Yes, that's pretty embarrassing for the US. We've spent hundreds of billions of dollars, thousands of lives, 12 years on the Iraq War and now they want to bring in Russia because they don't trust us.

Can't blame 'em on though. When you have a bunch of crazy jihadists in your country, I don't think any government needs to be worried about playing nice, rather they're going to do whatever they can to crush ISIS. That's why Russia and Iran are so involved in all of this.

Post: #296

I am really surprised at how the US don't seem to be able to control the Iraqi government: they are flirting with Russians, allow their rockets to fly over, asking for help... Next thing we are gonna see a Russian base near Baghdad. I would expect much more of a short leash for what really is a puppet government of an occupied country. In contrast, the US have no problem whatsoever controlling the Europeans, or just buying off their politicians. What is going on there?

Post: #297

Russian warships now firing cruise missiles into Syria

Post: #298

This one made me smile:

Quote:Russian warships also successfully launched 26 cruise missiles from the Caspian Sea on Wednesday, taking out IS targets.

In light of Washington’s targeting concerns, Moscow has offered to share intel. That proposal has so far gone unanswered.

"This means that either our partners do not have such coordinates, or that they for some reason do not want us to hit these targets," said Colonel-General Andrei Kartapolov, head of the Main Operations Directorate of the Russian General Staff, according to RIA Novosti.

source:
http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201510...eting.html

It's almost like the Russians make fun of Washington because they know perfectly well what's going on.

Post: #299

This whole shitstorm is basically the end of US credibility in the middle east for the foreseeable future.

I see this ultimately resulting in some kind of Eurasian alliance consisting of Russia, a restored Syria with Assad at the helm, Iraq, Iran and possibly China in order to counter the "Pacific Shift" in the US military focus.

It would be interesting if the Taliban defeats the Afghan government in Kabul, because they would have no love for the Americans or the Russians.

These will be some interesting years ahead of us...

Post: #300

(10-07-2015 05:38 PM)UncleSam Wrote:  Russians make fun of Washington because they know perfectly well what's going on.

Should be more like this