(11-25-2015 12:38 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  

(11-25-2015 12:29 PM)H1N1 Wrote:  

(11-25-2015 11:50 AM)kaotic Wrote:  

(11-25-2015 07:42 AM)BambiNotForLong Wrote:  It's not about my feelings being hurt. You guys have an opinion and I respect that. But the world isn't black and white like a lot of members suggest on this forum. For the record I'm an atheist.

If you weren't offended you wouldn't of wrote your OP to begin with.

My families muslim based, I am not, yet I don't get offended in the migration crisis thread or the paris attack thread.

Gotta learn to take your ego out of it - I did. You'll be better man for it.

As for the situation, people are pissed at the government/military for doing this. Noone hates the individual.

Well then again....there was a few hundred fans at a soccer stadium booing the moment of silence for the paris fallen.

Indeed. I, as I'm sure is true for many others, know many people from different races in real life whom I like, respect, and would defend against violence from random white guys. That said, I can still like and respect them, and recognise that in many cases their customs and fundamental loyalties are not the same as my own. It's not a black and white thing - a great hero of mine, Chris Eubank (the boxer) has adopted the nickname English, because his father did, as an homage to his adopted nation, and as symbolic of the values, customs and loyalties that he had chosen to be sovereign. To me, a man like this is my brother, because our beliefs, values, traditions etc are one, irrespective of the colour of his skin. He is not a 'stranger' to me, to borrow from this Kipling poem:

The Stranger within my gate,
He may be true or kind,
But he does not talk my talk--
I cannot feel his mind.
I see the face and the eyes and the mouth,
But not the soul behind.

The men of my own stock,
They may do ill or well,
But they tell the lies I am wanted to,
They are used to the lies I tell;
And we do not need interpreters
When we go to buy or sell.

The Stranger within my gates,
He may be evil or good,
But I cannot tell what powers control--
What reasons sway his mood;
Nor when the Gods of his far-off land
Shall repossess his blood.

The men of my own stock,
Bitter bad they may be,
But, at least, they hear the things I hear,
And see the things I see;
And whatever I think of them and their likes
They think of the likes of me.

This was my father's belief
And this is also mine:
Let the corn be all one sheaf--
And the grapes be all one vine,
Ere our children's teeth are set on edge
By bitter bread and wine.

Not to nitpick, but the Kipling poem you quote expresses a precisely opposite meaning to the sentiment you expressed. As per the highlighted lines. Not saying who is right, but just that these are two distinct worldviews.

(11-25-2015 01:34 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  The forum has a ton of Putin sycophants who think he's the most alpha man in the world that nobody should dare mess with. So let's see how alpha his response will be to this plane being shot down.

(11-25-2015 06:00 PM)Libertas Wrote:  Good article detailing the situation on the ground. It's a year old but the factions have not changed since: http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/10/03/t...an-rebels/

Basically the Syrian opposition consists of three groups:

1. ISIS
2. al-Nusra (al-Qaeda)
3. The Islamic Front. This is the group that the usual suspects are playing to attempt to overthrow Assad.

People romanticize the IF as some kind of "moderate" opposition force, but they aren't. These people even fight against the Kurds that Washington champions and have also worked with al-Qaeda. Basically, Trump is right - we have no idea who these people are, they could be worse than Assad (more like will be), but they get romanticized by the globalist racketeers as some pro-democracy freedom fighting brigade.

Your tax dollars are going to al-Qaeda. Your tax dollars are going to Islamic rebels to fight against a secular ruler and a secular army.

God Bless America.

(11-26-2015 03:10 AM)Wrec Wrote:  ^^^
It is TOS-1
It is super scarry if you see thunderstorm like this.
This guy's accelerated breathing and almost non hearable "admiral ackbar" at 1:00 says it all.



Fun fact: The nickname Buratino matches the name of the hero of a Russian version of a Pinocchio-style tale (by Alexey Tolstoy), because of the big "nose" of the launcher.
Russians have a sense of humor after all.

(11-25-2015 12:29 PM)H1N1 Wrote:  

(11-25-2015 11:50 AM)kaotic Wrote:  

(11-25-2015 07:42 AM)BambiNotForLong Wrote:  It's not about my feelings being hurt. You guys have an opinion and I respect that. But the world isn't black and white like a lot of members suggest on this forum. For the record I'm an atheist.

If you weren't offended you wouldn't of wrote your OP to begin with.

My families muslim based, I am not, yet I don't get offended in the migration crisis thread or the paris attack thread.

Gotta learn to take your ego out of it - I did. You'll be better man for it.

As for the situation, people are pissed at the government/military for doing this. Noone hates the individual.

Well then again....there was a few hundred fans at a soccer stadium booing the moment of silence for the paris fallen.

Indeed. I, as I'm sure is true for many others, know many people from different races in real life whom I like, respect, and would defend against violence from random white guys. That said, I can still like and respect them, and recognise that in many cases their customs and fundamental loyalties are not the same as my own. It's not a black and white thing - a great hero of mine, Chris Eubank (the boxer) has adopted the nickname English, because his father did, as an homage to his adopted nation, and as symbolic of the values, customs and loyalties that he had chosen to be sovereign. To me, a man like this is my brother, because our beliefs, values, traditions etc are one, irrespective of the colour of his skin. He is not a 'stranger' to me, to borrow from this Kipling poem:

The Stranger within my gate,
He may be true or kind,
But he does not talk my talk--
I cannot feel his mind.
I see the face and the eyes and the mouth,
But not the soul behind.

The men of my own stock,
They may do ill or well,
But they tell the lies I am wanted to,
They are used to the lies I tell;
And we do not need interpreters
When we go to buy or sell.

The Stranger within my gates,
He may be evil or good,
But I cannot tell what powers control--
What reasons sway his mood;
Nor when the Gods of his far-off land
Shall repossess his blood.

The men of my own stock,
Bitter bad they may be,
But, at least, they hear the things I hear,
And see the things I see;
And whatever I think of them and their likes
They think of the likes of me.

This was my father's belief
And this is also mine:
Let the corn be all one sheaf--
And the grapes be all one vine,
Ere our children's teeth are set on edge
By bitter bread and wine.

(11-26-2015 12:31 AM)Anabasis to Desta Wrote:  Just released couple hours ago ...

Syrian Army making it rain on a Turkish armed Turkmen rebel village (descendants of Turks in Syria). Without doubt an emphatic "fuck you" to Turkey.





These are definitely not Hell Fire missiles like the title suggests however. I'm 90 % sure it's a Russian TOS-1 Burratino Thermobaric system. Can any military guys confirm?

I would hate to be a moderate beheader if I'm right. Not only do these kill through the main explosion or by burning you alive, they also suck atmospheric oxygen suffocating you & bursting your internal organs even if you survive the blast.

PS: The desperation in their voices is music to my ears.

(11-26-2015 10:42 AM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

(11-26-2015 12:31 AM)Anabasis to Desta Wrote:  Just released couple hours ago ...

Syrian Army making it rain on a Turkish armed Turkmen rebel village (descendants of Turks in Syria). Without doubt an emphatic "fuck you" to Turkey.





These are definitely not Hell Fire missiles like the title suggests however. I'm 90 % sure it's a Russian TOS-1 Burratino Thermobaric system. Can any military guys confirm?

I would hate to be a moderate beheader if I'm right. Not only do these kill through the main explosion or by burning you alive, they also suck atmospheric oxygen suffocating you & bursting your internal organs even if you survive the blast.

PS: The desperation in their voices is music to my ears.

Hellfire meaning...actual hell fire!

I think I can translate this video, bear with me.


"God is fucking them up".

Also: Vladimir is Putin the Turkey in the oven this thanksgiving. Happy holidays Islamists!

(11-26-2015 03:10 AM)Wrec Wrote:  ^^^
It is TOS-1
It is super scarry if you see thunderstorm like this.
This guy's accelerated breathing and almost non hearable "admiral ackbar" at 1:00 says it all.



Fun fact: The nickname Buratino matches the name of the hero of a Russian version of a Pinocchio-style tale (by Alexey Tolstoy), because of the big "nose" of the launcher.
Russians have a sense of humor after all.

Quote:Russian and Syrian military have killed all terrorists in the search area of the downed the Russian Su-24 jet, the Russian Defense Ministry said on Thursday.

(11-26-2015 12:31 AM)Anabasis to Desta Wrote:  Just released couple hours ago ...

Syrian Army making it rain on a Turkish armed Turkmen rebel village (

(11-26-2015 12:31 AM)Anabasis to Desta Wrote:  Just released couple hours ago ...

Syrian Army making it rain on a Turkish armed Turkmen rebel village (descendants of Turks in Syria). Without doubt an emphatic "fuck you" to Turkey.





These are definitely not Hell Fire missiles like the title suggests however. I'm 90 % sure it's a Russian TOS-1 Burratino Thermobaric system. Can any military guys confirm?

I would hate to be a moderate beheader if I'm right. Not only do these kill through the main explosion or by burning you alive, they also suck atmospheric oxygen suffocating you & bursting your internal organs even if you survive the blast.

PS: The desperation in their voices is music to my ears.

(11-26-2015 12:31 AM)Anabasis to Desta Wrote:  Just released couple hours ago ...

Syrian Army making it rain on a Turkish armed Turkmen rebel village (descendants of Turks in Syria). Without doubt an emphatic "fuck you" to Turkey.





These are definitely not Hell Fire missiles like the title suggests however. I'm 90 % sure it's a Russian TOS-1 Burratino Thermobaric system. Can any military guys confirm?

I would hate to be a moderate beheader if I'm right. Not only do these kill through the main explosion or by burning you alive, they also suck atmospheric oxygen suffocating you & bursting your internal organs even if you survive the blast.

PS: The desperation in their voices is music to my ears.

(11-26-2015 12:05 PM)H1N1 Wrote:  

(11-26-2015 12:31 AM)Anabasis to Desta Wrote:  Just released couple hours ago ...

Syrian Army making it rain on a Turkish armed Turkmen rebel village (descendants of Turks in Syria). Without doubt an emphatic "fuck you" to Turkey.





These are definitely not Hell Fire missiles like the title suggests however. I'm 90 % sure it's a Russian TOS-1 Burratino Thermobaric system. Can any military guys confirm?

I would hate to be a moderate beheader if I'm right. Not only do these kill through the main explosion or by burning you alive, they also suck atmospheric oxygen suffocating you & bursting your internal organs even if you survive the blast.

PS: The desperation in their voices is music to my ears.

Unlikely to be Thermobaric. Looks like conventional HE perhaps with Airburst fuse. Title says MLRS, which seems most probable.