Post: #2001

I'm kinda wondering if that isn't a fight, but some kind of training scene. She's facing the TIE when it's far off, then turns her back to it as it gets close and looks over her should preparing for her jump. Just a thought.

Post: #2002

Wait until the three film adaptation of Dune in 2020 comes along with Denis Villeneuve directing. I've a feeling its going to make the sequel trilogy look like the empty films they are to general audiences. Oscar Issac is in it too.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1160419/?ref_=tttr_tr_tt

Quote:Denis Villeneuve's plans for Dune (2020) are quite ambitious, as he hopes to make it the Star Wars he never saw. In an interview, he explained that most of the main ideas of Star Wars came from Dune so it will be a challenge to tackle this project. Villeneuve even said, "In a way, it's Star Wars for adults."

Post: #2003

(04-13-2019 12:19 PM)Werekoala Wrote:  I'm kinda wondering if that isn't a fight, but some kind of training scene. She's facing the TIE when it's far off, then turns her back to it as it gets close and looks over her should preparing for her jump. Just a thought.

It has the feeling of a dream sequence. That shot of the wreckage of the Death Star lying off in the ocean was an idea they had for Episode VII, where Luke and Rey would swim down into the submerged chamber see the Emperors seat and recover some material for weapon of sorts, it was in the concept art, would have been great two films ago.

It's all beginning to feel like a season 20 bazillion of the Simpsons or some insane Dragonball like anime now.

Post: #2004

Genuinely laughed at "we've passed on all we know".

Uhhh, when?

She can't even take the lightsaber off her belt without girly fumblefingers. You'd think it would be a no-brainer to just CGI her using the force to draw it to her hand.

Post: #2005

(04-12-2019 12:59 PM)Syberpunk Wrote:  Palpatine back? that's worse then the time they refused to have Sephiroth stay dead after Final Fantasy VII and resurrect him for its rather shit film sequel. Death should have meaning.

Given how bad The Last Jedi was, complaining about a previously very well-written and well-acted character returning is the least of our worries.

So long as Rey doesn’t slice him in half along with the fat Asian chick to score a win for galactic feminism, the Palpatine angle could keep the movie moderately afloat.

I still cannot fucking believe that Admiral Purple Hair was allowed by the writers to destroy that mega-ship by kamikazing into it via a hyperspace jump. Single dumbest plot device in cinematic history.

Post: #2006

I don't think that the kamikaze thing was as bad as everybody thinks it is. Or that 'nuking the fridge' was the moment where Indiana Jones fell apart. If I wanted to, I could imagine some technobabble to justify that only an expensive capital ship could kamikaze, ergo it's almost never done. I think we just focus on these, because the movie in general sucked. It was a great scene, that was emotionally and plot-wise disconnected from the rest of the film.

Keep in mind that Empire had an enormous plot hole right in the middle. We have the impression that Luke spends at least a couple of months on Dagobah. But unless there's some sort of time-distorting effect of space travel, events on Cloud City show that he was only there for a couple of days at most.

Luke Skywalker - the greatest Jedi of all time - spent a total of 2 hours training under Obi Wan on the Millenium Falcon, and 2 days training under Yoda.

We ignore this because the rest of the film is so good.

About the prequels - really guys? I'm still annoyed by those films.

Darth Bobo the Clown looks stupid.

A double-ended light saber makes no sense, and the choreographer had to cheat heavily to make anything happen in those scenes. For anybody who's done staff fighting, the burning blades restrict Darth Bobo from doing 3/4 of the manouevers that make a staff advantageous.

Mitochlorians? Really? That's the stupidest thing I ever heard.

Force Baby? Like... *gasp* JESUS???? Stupid.

Pod racing? Stupid. I don't care about stupid Nascar Alien Sportsball. I think I fell asleep during that scene.

And that's not even getting started on all the massive plot holes. That's just the basic premise.

Post: #2007

(04-13-2019 02:27 PM)Aurini Wrote:  I don't think that the kamikaze thing was as bad as everybody thinks it is. Or that 'nuking the fridge' was the moment where Indiana Jones fell apart. If I wanted to, I could imagine some technobabble to justify that only an expensive capital ship could kamikaze, ergo it's almost never done.

I have to disagree strongly.

It’s ridiculous because any droid (or navigational computer) could be used to ram the Death Star or other Imperial/First Order ships/fleets and obliterate them.

You would not need military vessels - use cheaper passenger ships or cargo fleets that have no need for expensive weaponry and other systems.

The Rebels could have easily kept a large vessel on Hoth and then rammed it into Vader’s flagship and destroyed any accompanying Star Destroyers as well.

I do not think your Empire analogy works because Yoda told Luke to stay and we know his temper was a huge issue, exemplified by the failed X-Wing raising scene.

Post: #2008

Watched the trailer yesterday. Dull as a moldy old sandwich. There wasn't the slightest thing to get me excited. It's just going to be more rehashing old characters like TFA, and boring un-conflicts revolving around irrelevant people I don't care about.

Don't even get me started on every cuck at the SW Fan Celebration creaming their pants over Kelly Marie Tran showing up and virtue signaling bullshit on Twitter like:

"I would fistfight everyone on earth for Kelly Marie Tran,"
"If it didn't disrupt her life, I would say that she should get this kind of reception everywhere she goes"
"The only thing I remember about The Last Jedi is Kelly Marie Tran"

Post: #2009

(04-13-2019 12:28 PM)Syberpunk Wrote:  

Quote:Villeneuve even said, "In a way, it's Star Wars for adults."

Oh, now, that's just plain mean.

I approve.

Post: #2010

(04-13-2019 02:27 PM)Aurini Wrote:  Keep in mind that Empire had an enormous plot hole right in the middle. We have the impression that Luke spends at least a couple of months on Dagobah. But unless there's some sort of time-distorting effect of space travel, events on Cloud City show that he was only there for a couple of days at most.

Luke Skywalker - the greatest Jedi of all time - spent a total of 2 hours training under Obi Wan on the Millenium Falcon, and 2 days training under Yoda.

Not to nitpick but:
A. It's never expressly said how long it took the Falcon to get to Cloud City. It could have been months.

B. Luke was self-training on Hoth for several years.

After all of that, he was barely able to pull his saber out of some snow and Vader clowned him when he decided to really fight. On Dagobah, during intense concentration, he was able to lift a few rocks and R2 but failed to lift his ship. Even on the second Death Star, Luke was only able to pull his saber and do a few jumps.

Rey was able to lift half a mountain after fewer than 2 weeks of Luke not training her. She was able to beat Kylo, Luke and Snoke's guard in duels. She was able to spontaneously learn force powers she'd never even heard of - that was after hearing about the Force only a day ago.

Post: #2011

CaptainStabbin, you're proving my point. You're going out of your way to justify something that the movie doesn't properly spell out; whereareas with The Last Jedi we're going out of our way to explain all the problems with that scene.

It's not the scene that ruined the movie - it's the movie that ruined the scene.

Post: #2012

Post: #2013

The target audience for this.

Post: #2014

^^^ Imagine the reaction video for the first time he gets laid.

Post: #2015

(04-12-2019 01:15 PM)Aurini Wrote:  Hah! Love that title. So that pretty much confirms my original theory: that Luke, being the evil White male that he is, fathered a bastard, and this is what led to the New Order rising. And that bastard is Rey.

The big question is whether they'll save the reveal for before or after the
sex scene with Kylo.

Post: #2016

(04-13-2019 02:27 PM)Aurini Wrote:  I don't think that the kamikaze thing was as bad as everybody thinks it is. Or that 'nuking the fridge' was the moment where Indiana Jones fell apart. If I wanted to, I could imagine some technobabble to justify that only an expensive capital ship could kamikaze, ergo it's almost never done. I think we just focus on these, because the movie in general sucked. It was a great scene, that was emotionally and plot-wise disconnected from the rest of the film.
...

The pathetic thing is that even a mediocre writer could have used the whole "hyperspace death rocket has never been done before" thing to their advantage.

Instead of sending the dynamic duo to find some kind of super dooper master hacker to defeat the empire ship's shields why not send them to find a super dooper master hacker that could manipulate the hyperdrive computer that has always had here-to-fore unhackable anti-collision software.

Captain purple-bitch sells the ruse as "hacking the computer to go randomly hyperspace without suitable fuel levels as a last ditch escape".

Not genius, but about a thousand times less stupid and nonsensical than the plot as it was delivered.

Post: #2017

(04-13-2019 09:01 PM)Yatagan Wrote:  The target audience for this.

Everybody needs to watch this video. Realize that this is the calibre of numale wandering around out there. Any time we talk about restoring the West, or winning the demographic battle, or simply try and plan a route for a future that keeps us and our loved ones safe - take into account that creeps like this guy are slithering around everywhere, with a spoon in one hand and a big jar of soy in the other. This is an extremely important data point.

Also: parodied several years back.

Post: #2018

The new trailer was shit.

I could go on and on and on, but most saliently;

1. Of all the fucking impossibly varied, limitless and beautiful planets you could create from the computing power they have these days, they go and give us another fucking desert planet. Tatooine or Jakku? Who gives a fuck, they are identical and we've already seen them. Simeon did a great exploration a while back of how boring this lack of imagination/ambition is becoming.

2. Similarly, why can't Rey change her clothes? In the original trilogy, I had about a dozen differently dressed SW figures for each character; Desert Luke, Hoth Luke, Pilot Luke, Jedi Luke. Boring, boring, boring. Darth-Soy is the same; has a mask, gets rid of mask, gets mask back .... sigh!

3. Death Star Laser-dish is a nice visual lying on the Planet. But as mentioned above, it belonged a few films back. Everyone's tired of Death Stars now.

4. Palpatine? We love him. So LEAVE HIM THE FUCK ALONE! Don't bring him back. You've all proved you don't have the wit or talent to do him justice.

Post: #2019

Female fans are actually crying watching this trailer. Why? A woman doing anything remotely athletic/heroic is enough to induce tears? Talk about a low bar.

Post: #2020

Episodes 8 and 9 are making the prequels look like a symphony of design.

Post: #2021

(04-13-2019 03:07 PM)HermeticAlly Wrote:  Watched the trailer yesterday. Dull as a moldy old sandwich. There wasn't the slightest thing to get me excited. It's just going to be more rehashing old characters like TFA, and boring un-conflicts revolving around irrelevant people I don't care about.

Don't even get me started on every cuck at the SW Fan Celebration creaming their pants over Kelly Marie Tran showing up and virtue signaling bullshit on Twitter like:

"I would fistfight everyone on earth for Kelly Marie Tran,"
"If it didn't disrupt her life, I would say that she should get this kind of reception everywhere she goes"
"The only thing I remember about The Last Jedi is Kelly Marie Tran"

The wrong sister died. Hollywood continues its record of using east Asian women as leads, who would be too ugly to work in Asia.

Paige Tico died:



Rose Tico lived:

Post: #2022

I am a nerd of nerds, and I liked the F/O TIE Interceptor.

Post: #2023

Post: #2024

You cannot give the male gaze an attractive Paige Tico - you gotta give them comrade Tico, the enforcer of the voluntary rebels - she will make sure, that your voluntary contribution is rewarded with a cattle prod in case you want to leave the rebellion.

Oh - and the Emperor is indeed back with the actor of the prequels reprising his role.





This is confirmed by KKK. Guess they can kill off and destroy 2 characters in the next one - Palpatine and Lando.

What bullshit indeed. They rather attempted to bring back Darth Maul than give us an Obi-Wan movie, because he is such a charming but also disgusting White Male and we cannot have those in the SJW universe.

Post: #2025

Crossposting this from the Bond Thread because its what I think is wrong with all these attempts at Star Wars reboots.

(EDIT: EXPANDED to include Star Wars relevant suff.)

Someone complained a few pages back that there is no originality anymore.

A Celebrated Fashion designer complained 15 years ago that in his day (the 80s) his peers would find inspiration everywhere around them in the urban environment.

These days, he complained, the next generation are just 'biting' something that someone else has just 'bit' from someone else. And that, in itself, was a 'bite' from earlier designers who actually went looking for inspiration.

Mike Mignola, the creator of Hellboy, explained how he got alot of the outlandish shapes in his comics from spending ages sitting in his apartment sketching the streets and environment outside.

Julia Cameron, the author of the Artists Way, said that these days most artists desperately cast around for new ideas. They look for new and fresher content to inspire them.

She argues "Our problem is actually Too Much Content. We need to dis-connect, clear our minds."

There's already enough sources of inspiration in our imaginations.

All artists are thieves.

Its a question of whether they are good thieves or bad ones.

A case in point of a good thief is Michael Mann and Heat, his masterpiece.

He was working on that for decades. He wrote alot of the screenplay for 70's movie Straight Time with Dustin Hoffman in it. That was a great film and an adaptation of No Beast So Fierce by ex-con Edward Bunker who decades later worked as consultant on Heat.

In the book Bunker describes leaving prison after decades as being like a time traveller into a science fiction future, the language, the music, the customs of this vaguely recognisable world are all different. Crucially, he says this as his character descends into a pedestrian underpass.

In his later film Thief Jame Caan is almost a time traveller emerging from decades in prison and trying to negotiate a hostile world.
Mann describes how he wanted to describe the city as a system, as a series of tunnels and networks that the mind of his titular character is increasingly melded with.
The motif of car following roads under bridges and underpasses is frequent. The Thief is negotiating the alien system that is undermining him at every turn.
"If somebody asked me, 'What's "Thief" to you?': To me, it's a left-extensionalist critique of corporate capitalism. That's what "Thief" is. What is interesting is that no critics in the U.S. got that, no critics in the U.K. got it."

The evil man that the Thief is working for sourced him an infant, (his wife is barren) delivered to his door at midnight. then he takes away his patronage and threatens wife and newly adopted child "People'll be eating 'em for lunch tomorrow in their hamburgers and not know it."

An opaque system that chews you up (jail) and spits you out.

The opaque windows of the office buildings that the Thief scopes out. Just like the opaque glass canyons of downtown LA in Heat's climactic shoot out.

In the film are John Santucci (ex-Chicago thief) and Chuck Adamson (ex-Chicago cop) who told him the story of the real life Neil McAuley and their real life coffee meeting that Heat immortalised. Mann's grandfather had been a taxi driver in Chicago and had known alot of the high line thieves in Chicago.

Line in Heat screenplay, Jon Voight: (on Pacino's character Hanna) "he blew away Frankie Yonder in Chicago.. and he was a fucking maniac."

Mann spent years and years from when he was an arts student in Chicago bussing tables (diner scene in Thief/ Breedon short order cook in Heat) steeping himself in the world of the Underworld City and the story of Heat.

He directed a shit dry run of it in the 80's (LA Takedown).

He has never fully admitted to the influence of French Director Melville and his 1960s film "Un Flic" on his work but the borrowing is obvious. The blue filter, the abstract expressionist style, the symmetry of the cop and villain who share the same problems and existential angst and who are inexorably drawn to a final climactic confrontation a la Heat.

But most critics don't know where his real theft came from.

Thats a good thief. Shakespeare (No. 1 all time English bard) is the one poet in the English Language that one can't find his source lyrics for. You can find Milton's (No. 3 All time) source lyrics in some of Chaucer (No. 2). But Shakespeares lyrical influences are to an extent a mystery.

THAT is a good thief. Because no doubt he had many influences.

Mann's biggest influence was Kubrick.

"I wasn't really interested in cinema until I saw Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb (1964), alongside a set of films by F.W. Murnau and Georg Wilhelm Pabst for a college course. These were a revelation. I'd already seen some of the French New Wave and some Russian films, but the idea of directing, of shooting a film myself? Never. Prior to "Strangelove", it simply had not seemed possible that you could work in the mainstream film industry and make very ambitious films for a big mainstream audience. .. as a young man I found that intensity very exciting"

So sure.. we see the abstract expressionist style or Dr Strangelove and the basic plot of Kubrick's "the Killing" that he borrowed from.

But the real homage was to 2001. The ambient, constantly expanding soundtrack and the almost futuristic abstract world of the high line thieves in their hockey masks with their assault rifles elongated by the Big Screen, the radio masts and the data that Tom Noonan's character could just reach out and scoop up.

A tension between the sense of space and anomie in the movie, and the confined choices, limited options of the cast of ex-cons and the cops pursuing them in cat and mouse fashion.

THAT is a Thief.

Because Hollywood has lifted every aspect of Heat for the last two decades trying to bottle Lightning.
Every Ben Affleck Heist movie is a desperate attempt to create another Heat.
The last few Fast and the Furious movies have had so many obvious borrows from Heat.
When it came out it caused quite a stir amongst actors and film people.

People have often said that Mann would direct a great Bond movie.

And if you watch Skyfall the thieving is apparent.
Mendes said in press releases that he had to strip out all the architecture of a Bond Movie and 'imagine' something completely new and fresh before putting the Bond paraphernalia back in.

What a lying piece of shit.

The whole back from Turkey sequence:

Bond stares at a reflection of a TV screen (Manhunter/ Michael Mann) The camera follows M up the steps to her apartment (Manhunter). Bond goes to China and tails the guy on the Freeway (Pacino chases down De Niro on the Freeway in Heat) Takes the elevator which flies up away from the camera (iconic shot from Manhunter) Takes sniper shot whilst confused by different moving shadows and reflections (Pacino and De Niro LAX airport shootout) the list goes on..


What a dirty dirty fucking cheat.

If he'd have been a good thief I'd have forgiven him.

He would call it a homage but I just think that they have the access media in the palm of their hand and before they even set foot on the set they are writing their own pretentious reviews.

Whats interesting about it is that I haven't seen much of an original for the Scottish Estate scene which .. whilst being incredibly lavish.. felt like eating too many chocolates and bored the shit out of me.

Interesting because Villeneuve ripped off the Haze and Wind and use of red and made a far far better version in the Las Vegas scenes of Blade Runner 2049.

It goes to show what a genius Villeneuve is (and why Dune will show us what we missed out on), a direct successor to Mann (who is used up/ rejected by Hollywood and ancient by now) and by comparison what a hack Mendes is.

I'll give you another film: Gladiator.

That film set off creative shocks that Hollywood are still feeling.

Ridley Scott himself has failed to capture the same thing again.

But look at the "Theft" / "Homages".

If you watch the TV series "The Last Kingdom" you can see its influence/ borrowing in the "Dead Can Dance/Lisa Gerrard" ethnic soundtrack alongside sweeping camera shots and the frequent jump cuts in scenes to .. chickens, smith's forges, men sharpening weapons, daily life. All lifted stylistically from Gladiator.

In Tom Cruise's Oblivion movie ... when his character Jack Harper gets captured by "Scavengers" ... that is shot-for-shot the sequence where slavers capture Maximus in Gladiator. Shot-for-fucking-shot. How brilliant by the director Kosisnki! What a Homage!

In the (utterly shit in my view) Attack of the Clones Anakin and Padme end up in Very Familiar Gladiator Style Predicament, in a Freaking Colliseum of all places.

And then they walk out and the camera pans around at the baying crowds of Roma- sorry! Insectoid Aliens up in the rafters.

What the Fuck? Shot for Shot. And that movie had only just come out.

I did some research on it and it turns out that Lucas initially denied any 'influence' on his scene. If I'm right, he even tried to claim that it was filmed before Gladiator came out. Then it transpired that he had seen the rushes of Gladiator before filming the shot.

Too much content.

If you look at the buildup to the original Star Wars film Lucas was hungry, he was tortured, his inspirations were heterodox and all over the place and drawn from life.

(In the car driving thru the woods with a Radio DJ at night they hit something. "Oh.. I just hit a Wookie!" says the stoner DJ. "Whats a Wookie?" asks Lucas. "I dunno" says the DJ.)

All those seeds had to be fed, watered, turned over by alot of creatives (who realised the very original but very shitty version Lucas initially turned in) and composted until it was ready.

But what is the biggest hangover from Gladiator in the Star Wars Universe?

I never understood the rationale for Darth Emo, his unmasking, and his weird relationship with the Mary Sue bitch..

Look no further than Joaquin Phoenix's tortured, sinister, weirdly incestuous Emperor Commodus.

Hollywood has been desperate for Villains like Magua (Michael Mann again and Wes Studi from Heat) or Commodus.. they just cant be fucking bothered to take the time to dream them up.

So they just impose a cheap, knock off Joaquin Phoenix on Star Wars audiences and give themselves a pat on the back.

There is no new Art anymore because these fuckers are too scared and too lazy to create any.

Mendes and Abrams go on about this and that. They just look at some films that are 'trending' and copy them.

Contrast that with Mann who spent decades building up to Heat and experimenting successfully with everything, soundtrack, visuals, non-actors, filming in prisons, along the way.

Even when he obviously ripped off screenwriter Richard Price from the Wire fame and his Al Pacino film Sea of Love he did it well; no one complained.

If you were around the blizzard of PR for Mendes' film he actually wanted it treated as some kind of iconic movie. Javier Bardem is always good value but the script and some of the characters in that film were a joke.

Those media fuckers have forgotten the work required.

Richard Price wrote of the creator of Homicide and The Wire, journalist David Simon. "He 'hung out'. He was willing to go places and just 'hang out'. Wait for the story to make itself real" Thats commitment,

Hang out and wait for inspiration: it will come, faster than people think.
Sit around in their flats, turn off their wifi and phones. Sketch things outside their window for a few hours.

But they don't have the balls to even do that.. not if its easier to just rip off every film in their DVD collection.

In the words of Mann:

"You find out things when you're with a real-life thief, things you could never make up just sitting in a room with executives."

Real Life. Something the cosseted likes of JJ Abrams, Sam Mendes and the 'diversity!' Hollywood crowd are actually scared of.