Post: #226

(12-31-2015 05:56 AM)Malo Wrote:  ^ Yes I agree and the editing is also very patchy. However I'm actually surprised because I really enjoyed both Star Treks he did. The quality of work there was 10 times higher.

So I still blame Disney, which are the final Powers That Be in this movie. Let's try to see how the next movie looks like.. I'd bet not to hold my breath.

And there's definitely no deliberate "SJW propaganda" in this star wars. Just Disney shoving in whatever it takes to have the media cheering for the movie so they can rake more income.

If by next year, being a white supremacist will be trendy, rest assured there'll be a white male hero and a black villain.

^^lawl

Post: #227

Star Wars was never great, but I just found this movie totally forgettable and derivative. The only interesting character was the villain. The main girl character was just totally unbelievable with how she could do everything and had no faults, it sucked air out of the whole thing.

Post: #228

Star Wars was always hyper commercialized (merchandise etc.), but the movie always had a story. Lucas had a real creative vision. A lot of special effects tech was literally created by Lucas.

Now there is nothing except a cesspool of marketing gimmicks. Hellllooo Disney.

To suggest this movie is "an elaborate plot by the elite to brainwash the masses into their leftist agenda" or whatever...

..is actually a compliment for this movie.

It's just a cesspool of junk marketing and little else. Simply a little, brown piece of turd.

Post: #229

Well, it's official even George Lucas hates the new Star Wars sequel.

By the way the L.A. times even posted a scathing review yesterday. Am I dreaming or are people out there finally seeing the light?

Post: #230

(12-31-2015 10:43 AM)redpillage Wrote:  Well, it's official even George Lucas hates the new Star Wars sequel.

By the way the L.A. times even posted a scathing review yesterday. Am I dreaming or are people out there finally seeing the light?

Force awakens is nothing but a cheap remake of a new hope...
It's literally the same movie!!!

Post: #231

Sounds like he has some regrets about selling Lucasfilm to Disney.

I've always felt it was a bummer he couldn't replicate the level of quality achieved in Empire Strikes Back. Things worked well when he was the writer/producer but not the director.

I've seen a few others also pick up how the movie just feels like a video game.

Post: #232

(12-31-2015 10:56 AM)Aquiles_Baesta_Parada Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 10:43 AM)redpillage Wrote:  Well, it's official even George Lucas hates the new Star Wars sequel.

By the way the L.A. times even posted a scathing review yesterday. Am I dreaming or are people out there finally seeing the light?

Force awakens is nothing but a cheap remake of a new hope...
It's literally the same movie!!!

Agree. And it isn't the first time J.J. Abrams has tried to go retro with a franchise. His 2013 Star Trek Into Darkness was essentially Star Trek II: Wrath of Khan with minimal plot twists.

The more I see from him, the less impressed I get. Probably won't pay to see another of his films again.

Post: #233

Looking back on this movie, the only part that is remotely believable is when Solo takes advice from Leia. ``He is your son, talk to him.''

So the Alpha Solo listens to a woman against his better instincts, and gets killed. There, one ``real'' part of this movie.

Post: #234

Post: #235

Saw this with my Star Wars fanboy brother-in-law. I thought it was okay, obviously a rehash of the original. His fanboy rationalisations of it's flaws were confirmation that it's not that good a film, though fun. A few niggles but I had two major problems that stopped me really liking it:

1. Kylo Ren: initially presented to be scary Darth Vader clone, later revealed to be weak and emo, throwing tantrums and being bested by an untrained girl. Kind of takes away the suspense as stroppy 13 year old boys don't present much threat (yes, I know the actor's 30-odd). They had better redeem him in the next one or it'll ruin the trilogy. My bet is she turns him to the light side in the 3rd film because he's so conflicted and will regret killing Han.

2. The girl is too good, too fast. Luke (son of Darth Vader, trained with Yoda for fuck's sake and it broke him) took 3 entire films to achieve any kind of mastery. Rey suddenly has a realisation that she's not just a badass, but a magical badass and just starts using the Jedi powers. Thinking about it though, it makes perfect sense from a marketing point of view given the different natures of men and women: Women are, men become. Why should women have to work, train and sacrifice to become awesome warriors when they can just demand that they ARE awesome warriors? This is borne out in our daily lives, and although it's ridiculous and we know it's not true, it should be knocked out of them with the wake-up call that we all experience as men but protect women from. Kylo Ren should have spanked her all over the place, wounded or not. Stopping this happening protects and flatters the female ego, so the film is a hit with both men and women, boys and girls. This is reflected in the money it's making.

I think JJ was told exactly the film he was going to make by Disney execs because they can't risk another Phantom Menace, and there's a big enough time lapse between the first film and this one to trick younger people into thinking it's great rather than fun, derivative nonsense.

Post: #236

I saw it twice, 2d on opening night and 3d imax last week.

They have kind of painted themselves into a corner, the girl is a jedi, pilot, sharpshooter, strategist, technician. The ultimate mary sue character straight out of a 13 year old's fan fiction. The dude doesn't appear to be good at much of anything. The villain is a little bitch. There isn't really anywhere left for other characters to fit.

It was excellent visually, the ships and combat and explosions were cool.

It isn't worth the time to get too into these nerd fandoms, they've all been poisoned by the feminist narrative programming efforts of our time. It isn't a bad little group outing to attend though. The movie seat leg-grab is fun.

Post: #237

Star Wars: The Feminist Awakens. Starring a young scrawny independent girl, who don't need no man to hold her hand. Has the galaxy handed to her on a silver platter. Watch as she shows old Han who's boss, and shows how one brave woman can master the force better than any man ever could.

Post: #238

George Lucas' statements shed light because he says Disney wanted nothing to do with the story he was working on before selling his rights. Clearly Disney already had firm ideas about what the new films would be about.
He calls this movie 'retro' and a derivative of earlier work and says Hollywood pursues profit first and foremost.
He later backtracked and actually praised Disney.

Post: #239

He obviously got some shit for calling Disney "white slavers" and backtracked.

Post: #240

I saw the movie and I hated pretty much everything in it aside from the cute little robot.

SPOILERS.....

I won't be spending any more money on that crap, because they really dumbed down and destroyed the entire story and recreated it into feminist and revisionist crap.

1. Rey's character as others have said was an orphan without education who survived since childhood on a desert planet scavanging metal parts and selling scrap for food. Despite all that she became a master of enginges, engineering, piloting, knew the MIllennium Falcon better after minutes than Han Solo after decades. She also became a master at combat, wields a massive staff, is so strong in the force that she surpasses a young Sith who can literally stop energy blasts with the force - she surpasses him after mere minutes where she learns the force suckling on the air. She is a teenage superwoman genius engineer, genius pilot, genius wonderkid Super-Jedi. Actually if they would give her 30 more minutes, she should be able to crush Yoda, Luke and any the entire First Order. She is the ultimate feminist girl, who does not need a man and she is also wonderfully asexual in the movie friendzoning Finn like a good feminist champ.

2. Finn - frankly seeing the movie I did not care in the least that he was black. I cared that he was an ugly, stumpy looking, half-the-movie sweating, cowardly, illogical in behavior and uncharismatic guy. He seemed to be the Jar-Jar-Finn who more or less stumbled along, tried to save the damsel while not getting even a peck in return. The Samuel L. Jackson was one of the most powerful Jedis in the universe and now they got Finn - Rey's sidekick, short friendzoned motherfucker who sweats a lot.

3. The main villain - Adam Driver - is in fact 6"3 and sinewy ripped. The costume somehow deliberately changed that. In reality he should tower over everyone there. I liked him more in his portrayal of Lena Dungham boyfriend, because he had more dark charisma in that movie than in this Star Wars sequel by JarJar Abrams.



What we know of the character is also ridiculous. We see a self-doubting wimp, who despite all his inner turmoil was trained by Luke Skywalker, likely turned over to the dark side in the old Jedi Academy and was powerful enough to kill other trainees back then. We can assume that he was trained almost since birth being Luke's nephew. Then he was continued to be trained by a Sith. In the end you got a Sith or Dark Jedi or whatever who could hold energy projectiles with the force.

Unfortunately this 6'3 200 pound colossus in both strength and force who trained with the laser sword since childhood was almost defeated by Finn a stormtrooper who held a sword for the second time in his life and a 5'7 90 pound girl who just found minutes before that she was a force user. She was powerful enough to pummel one of the most powerful new Jedis in training (we can safely assume that he was one of the best students of Luke or even the best).

Nevermind that he was wounded before - that is just bullocks and a flat excuse by Abrams to pull that shit off. Any soldier and fighter knows that adrenaline shuts off pain and Jedis have superb mind-powers. Even if he would have had need for more concentration for force use, his sword fighting would have been instinctive and the fights would have ended in 3 seconds with both Finn's and Rey's heads lying in the snow.

4. The story was a total rehash of the first movie - they just made a bigger Death Star.

5. Also the entire setup sucked. What the fuck happened in the last decades? Coruscant was comprised of thousands of races and planets, the rebellion won and regained control of the galaxy, so why the fuck were the rebels comprised of some Hobbit-hills and a few dozen paltry ships and a couple planets? And why the fuck did they recruit the First Order in Luton, UK?

6. I even did not like the visual aspects, because they tried to make everything gritty and animalistic. Finn sweated like a pig for 40% of the movie and Rey even looked like a sweaty menial worker in many scenes. In fact all the characters seemed to have been made deliberately ugly. I cannot remember Harrison Ford to look shit as in this movie. They added a hyper-reality filter that showed every pimple I guess.

7. Some scenes were positively B-movie. Like the stormtrooper wanting to kick Finn's ass and throwing away his blaster only to fight a lethal sword with a non-lethal stun baton. He should know that defending against a blaster is only possible for force users since anyone else would die unable to anticipate the shots.

Oh - and the aliens in Han's ship were also B-movie material - they even looked cheap.

8. And why the fuck was the leader of all the seemingly elite stormtroopers a woman? As far as I could see they were all men in combat, but lorded over by one woman. She must have fucked her way to the top, because I cannot imagine that they had no one better for a leadership position of elite infantry men. Men respect abilities and I doubt she surpassed each and everyone of the best of the best. But hey - it's 2015 and women can do it all.

So finally I would say it was visually crap, story crap, feminism and propaganda galore - watchable for hardcore Star Wars fans and SJWs who want to see stupendous girl-power shown.

Even the worst of the Lucas movies was by far better than this shit.





By the way - Lucas is right - it was more a remake of a movie and nothing original. No wonder they had to kill Han Solo off, because he was the old scoundrel of old "toxic" masculinity. They replaced it with the idiotic, simplistic, uncertain and moronic one - those men who are secretly weak and questioning, but only put up a strong facade. God - I hate those feminist motherfuckers and their SJW brigades of movie-makers.

At least I won't be spending any more money on it.

Post: #241

Took my mom to see it (at the same theatre she first saw Star Wars as a teen) and she fell asleep for most of it. Then a week later she went to see it with a friend from high school, and fell asleep during it again.
I don't think she goes to see the movie, but to take a nap.

Post: #242

This movie is here to make the money.
Can't have white guys or even a male, even one that's black, parading around oppressing everyone.

Post: #243

(01-02-2016 06:09 PM)NY Digital Wrote:  This movie is here to make the money.
Can't have white guys or even a male, even one that's black, parading around oppressing everyone.

That's absolutely right. Even a black charismatic masculine Stormtrooper defector would be too toxic. No strong positive males regardless of race are allowed. Heck - even the male villains are pathetic.

It is surprising that Poe the pilot was a man, but I guess his skin was dark enough and he fulfilled such a bland function, that they let it slide this time around. Next they will probably introduce many more even more stupendous female pilots, because you obviously cannot let a man be better at anything in the galaxy.

Post: #244

Any of the bad guy's redeeming qualities are made moot by the fact he porked Lena Dunham in Girls.

Post: #245

(01-01-2016 02:03 AM)AlphaRN Wrote:  Looking back on this movie, the only part that is remotely believable is when Solo takes advice from Leia. ``He is your son, talk to him.''

So the Alpha Solo listens to a woman against his better instincts, and gets killed. There, one ``real'' part of this movie.

It's funny because in my mind when she said that I was thinking

"they probably want to give you minimal screentime because you look fucking haggard now, can't act and have the voice of a 80 year old smoker. The more you are on screen the more audiences are completely taken out of the movie."

I bet if Carrie Fisher didn't look so busted they would have found a way to work her into the grrrl power theme of the movie.

Post: #246

Quote:Any of the bad guy's redeeming qualities are made moot by the fact he porked Lena Dunham in Girls.

Aha... So that's what turned him to the dark side.

Post: #247

Daddy issues. It's hard growing up as Yoda's bastard son:





(Indeed you'll notice they covered up his ears throughout the run of TFA.)

Post: #248

(01-02-2016 09:32 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  Daddy issues. It's hard growing up as Yoda's bastard son:





(Indeed you'll notice they covered up his ears throughout the run of TFA.)

Do you think the actor given his looks ever be able to play a compellingly masculine character?

He looks like a person who will be forever a dweeb.

Post: #249

(01-04-2016 06:15 AM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  

(01-02-2016 09:32 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  Daddy issues. It's hard growing up as Yoda's bastard son:





(Indeed you'll notice they covered up his ears throughout the run of TFA.)

Do you think the actor given his looks ever be able to play a compellingly masculine character?

He looks like a person who will be forever a dweeb.

Dermatologist he most needs.

Post: #250

(01-04-2016 06:15 AM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  

(01-02-2016 09:32 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  Daddy issues. It's hard growing up as Yoda's bastard son:





(Indeed you'll notice they covered up his ears throughout the run of TFA.)

Do you think the actor given his looks ever be able to play a compellingly masculine character?

He looks like a person who will be forever a dweeb.

if he didn't have a bitches haircut he would be fine.