Post: #251

Difficult to read/follow up on from a phone, however the majority of Dutch support controlled/closed borders according to Mr Wilders.

https://twitter.com/geertwilderspvv/stat...3753851904

And no more refugees: https://twitter.com/geertwilderspvv/stat...5502939136

Post: #252

That pic, if it is real and based on these refugees and not just random pics off the internet, is disturbing.

While I can imagine after a long journey, which probably wasn't that enjoyable, there is a need to blow of stress, etc. But to flaunt and boast especially when it is off the generosity of a host nation is fucked up.

Have some fucking humility and modesty for fuck's sake. Gratitude would be appreciated.

Post: #253

(09-05-2015 02:18 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  Wastelander I hope you're right. But whatever sympathy I had for Europeans just flew out out the window.

Austrians throwing a party and chanting "refugees welcome"

Hardly representative of Europeans - but then again - the media is going to push what appears to represent its narrative.

However the above video is yet another scene straight from The Camp of the Saints.

Post: #254

(09-05-2015 04:05 PM)RIslander Wrote:  

(09-05-2015 02:18 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  Wastelander I hope you're right. But whatever sympathy I had for Europeans just flew out out the window.

Austrians throwing a party and chanting "refugees welcome"

That protest is 100% meaningless. Its all women and limp-wristed manginas. The only difference between this protest and the Toronto Consent Protests is the language.

Dancing warbrides awaiting their new masters from the East.

Shameful.

Post: #255

It's interesting to note the main constitutional difference between the Gulf States that reject them and the European States that accept them: democracy.

Yes, we need a Return of Kings

Post: #256

(09-05-2015 06:01 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  I'm more worried about economic migrants from Pakistan, Afghanistan, African countries and elsewhere than Syrian refugee's. More come from the Med than Syria as of now.

Syrians don't strike me as something problematic like the rest of their Middle Eastern counterparts.

I remember Syria before the war engulfed it and it was far and away from some hostile bat shit hell hole where hate is nurtured and let loose on the world. A Top Gear special made this obvious.

Interesting points but it would be naive to think that a significant level of ISIS members aren't also hiding under the cloak of weakness to get into Europe's feminised soft underbelly.

ISIS used sleeper cells effectively in Libya and Syria.

Post: #257

MikeCF on the case:

Quote:I was recently in Budapest and had the pleasure to meet many local readers. I learned the real story about the “refugee” crisis in Budapest before the headlines hit. In fact, astute local readers warned me that a “crisis” was coming soon, as so-called refugees had been committing crimes.
Budapest, Hungary is one of the best cities I’ve ever visited. I love the city and love the people. I will not let them lie about you.

I am going to return soon. I want to hear the real story that the media is afraid to tell.

While I’m there, lets meet up.

Also, I will also need a translator, camera man, and potentially security. Helping me negotiate deals would be much appreciated.

I would also be interested in talking to any local contacts you have.

I want the world to learn tell the truth.

The Hungarian people are being lied about in the media, and this must stop.

http://www.dangerandplay.com/2015/09/05/...t-meet-up/

Post: #258

Some timeless wisdom from Aesop:

Quote: The Bitch and Her Whelps


A BITCH, ready to whelp, earnestly begged a shepherd for a place
where she might litter. When her request was granted, she
besought permission to rear her puppies in the same spot. The
shepherd again consented. But at last the Bitch, protected by
the bodyguard of her Whelps, who had now grown up and were able
to defend themselves, asserted her exclusive right to the place
and would not permit the shepherd to approach.

Post: #259

(09-06-2015 05:20 AM)N°6 Wrote:  

(09-05-2015 02:18 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  Wastelander I hope you're right. But whatever sympathy I had for Europeans just flew out out the window.

Austrians throwing a party and chanting "refugees welcome"

Hardly representative of Europeans - but then again - the media is going to push what appears to represent its narrative.

However the above video is yet another scene straight from The Camp of the Saints.

Quote:On Groupthink:Groupthink is a psychological phenomenon that occurs within a group of people, in which the desire for harmony or conformity in the group results in an irrational or dysfunctional decision-making outcome. Group members try to minimize conflict and reach a consensus decision without critical evaluation of alternative viewpoints, by actively suppressing dissenting viewpoints, and by isolating themselves from outside influences.

These protests are perfect example of groupthink. I would suggest that even though unlimited mass migration is not the truly majority held opinion, it can be projected as such via mass media proliferation which in turn affects people's opinions. Protesting and chanting also puts people into an irrational trance-like state which further aggravates non-rational thinking and rapid attacks on people who do not conform.

Also note the fact that most of the protesters are women and emasculated lapdogs. I believe that feminine primacy has been heavily pushed pushed as the regime de jour because women are by their nature herd like and extremely susceptible to groupthink. Women's natural nurturing instincts combined with western messianic complex leads these groups to believe that what they are doing is in fact, for lack of a better term, God's work.

Post: #260

This madness reminds me of the pictures on the start of the first world war. Everyone was smiling and was happy to go to war. They seemed mad, how can you be happy to go to war? Reality hit a few weeks later.

Partying liberals welcoming migrants will seems like mad just like that 10-20 years from now.

Post: #261

(09-06-2015 02:42 AM)Silvestroyer Wrote:  They are already starting to mooch off the government cheese

A deputy of the mayor of Argenteuil (France) published online the same kind of picture, a few weeks ago, showing migrant families using their "prime de rentrée" (money given to them by the State at the end of Summer, to allow these migrants to buy educational stuff for their children, just before the start of school-year), not to buy books and pencils, but to buy... wide-screen TVs!

Supposedly they are "poor and miserable and starving", but, when you give them 400 euros, they laugh and run to buy brand new TVs!



Of course, for having published this picture on her facebook, this deputy of the mayor of Argenteuil was immediately fired!

http://www.francetvinfo.fr/politique/une...50905.html

Post: #262

God it's more and more like the fucking Twilight Zone every single time you look.

Post: #263

(09-06-2015 01:38 AM)Orson Wrote:  

(09-05-2015 07:42 AM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  Actually it has nothing to do with the EU accepting everyone all of a sudden but more or less the conditions on the ground in Syria.

Right now Assad is losing the war...
_ _ _
A mass panic has set in on the country because the populace has reached a point of psychological destruction. To put it bluntly, they have lost hope and have seen enough death and destruction.

THIS could be true. But how do we know? How do you know?

Any hints that are more useful than guesses and spleen-venting would be a very positive contribution to the dialog here.

It is true. If you have been following the quagmire of Syria since its problems began you would have seen a radical difference between now and then.

I suggest you visit sites which cover Syria and connect the dots.

Assad has lost control of all but a quarter of his country and what he does control is under constant attack by different enemy groups. His allies of Iran and Hezbollah have struggled to contain this rapid loss of ground.

This has resulted in barbarism on an unprecedented scale on the populace. ISIS and their ilk behead, stone, burn and shoot any dissenter or suspicious person.

Their food supplies are chaotic at best and acquired by terrorist groups for their own needs, medicine is scarce and any hospital has the likelihood of being bombed by Assads military or taken over by terrorists.

Have you heard of the indiscriminate bombings of civilians in Syria? That is the sign of a desperate military trying to hold back the flow of carnage heading its way.

Post: #264

Oddly enough, I find myself quite apathetic to all of this. It's not something I can affect, and my opinions in any social issues have been worthless in any discussion for my whole life, so why on earth should I care now? I really feel no obligation for Finland anymore as a country, so I find all the frightened talk quite boring. What I am interested in are 2 things here:

1) What kind of risks/negative effects does this have for me?

From reading some news reports/other articles (and from my own anecdotes, so remember my small sample size/possible selection bias):

-Seems there is a possibility of harassment or petty theft in proximity to the current temporary centers.
-Possible future social unrest (pure speculation on my part here, I'm not that well versed in the issue)
-Increase in the pool of unemployed people. This is not so much a threat to my own employment, depending on the skills and abilities of the immigrants, but it implies an extra cost to the Finnish state that it really can't afford right now. Thus, degrading of the welfare state seems quite likely to me.
-Depending on the amount of people taken in, the localization of the imported population and the infrastructure set up, slummification (is that the right word?) or ghettoes might be formed.
-Malformed demographics, given the sex imbalance of the immigrants


All of the above would indicate that some precautions would need to be taken.

-Firstly, protection of my own capital. For a young dude like me, that's not much, but seems that some sort of investment policy is sensible. No point in keeping the capital invested in something that can be physically taken away by someone else or the state. I'll need to read up more on tax legislation in Finland.

-Secondly, protection of my own person. Common sense in where and when I move, training (weights, martial arts/equivalent) and possible armaments (quite risky in Finland) seem to be the first steps for me. Prevention seems to be the best course of action.

2) How can I benefit from all of this?

-Men, on average, will go down in value. Or perhaps the average man will go down in value? It's quite hard for me to say anything on that for certain. However, investing in oneself should then yield even greater benefits. Seeing as a larger and larger amount of young men in Finland seem to be in worse physical shape, unemployed and unkempt (my own anecdote, again. If there's contradicting actual info, I'll be more than glad to change the assumption), my value should go up in comparison.

[EDIT: More and more ethnic Finns don't take good care of themselves, I should say. What the imported people are like, I don't know yet. However, the lazy Finnish youth are doing me a favor in this regard, since I refuse to damage and disgrace myself like they do to themselves.]

-An option I am considering heavily is moving abroad. I have some possible opportunities for employment abroad, but currently those are only possible opportunities, not even definite ones. Time will tell how that turns out. However, the job market in Finland is currently the worst it has ever been during my lifetime, so moving to a different country after a lucrative job seems more than sensible, especially since the Finnish economy is not going to recover any time soon. Youth unemployment is climbing here, so I'm actively looking for options elsewhere. I'll probably finish off the free degree and then see where I can find the best opportunity.

-I have not yet figured out business opportunities in all of this that I could benefit from.

All in all, I find the Finnish discussion on the whole issue quite useless. As the media keeps pushing the leftist agenda, the comment sections keep on getting more and more right-wing. Fact is, the people will come here and that will cost money until they are sent back or integrated. There's no emotional bond here for me so I can't really find the kind of motivation to talk about this as I see with many of my friends and relatives (or Facebook, for the love of God). It's just another thing that happens. "This, too, shall pass".

Post: #265

(09-06-2015 07:01 AM)Merris Wrote:  Oddly enough, I find myself quite apathetic to all of this.

Me too. I don't even bother looking at it. To me it's just an extension of what I'd already realized about the world when I was 18. The anger was done then, no point doing it again. There's nothing to be surprised about, if anything it would be a surprise and out of character for Europe to refrain from doing things like this.

Post: #266

(09-05-2015 06:13 PM)72 and sunny Wrote:  Translation: ""I wonder why it hasn't been done before," said 24-year-old Simone. "It just makes sense. We were having to travel abroad for strange while we could have so many foreign cocks roam free here."[/i]

It seems that some of those refugees have a tight "game"

Post: #267

(09-06-2015 03:59 AM)Biologist Wrote:  Well, it is expected that this year, approximately 800,000 migrants will be filing for refugee status in Germany. This number does not include the migrant who do not file for refugee status (undocumented) nor those going to other countries like France, Sweden or Austria.

800,000 is approximately the population of San Francisco.

If these migrants are successfully settled and are able to access welfare payments, I would expect this number to skyrocket next year.

I have no idea how Germany could possibly cope with this massive influx of "refugees", both from a financial and social perspective.

These are precisely my thoughts. It's obvious that this will lead to massive destruction. But as many guys have pointed out here, many people just refuse to acknowledge this.

So, it has to become worse. Otherwise, people do not do anything. It really has to become worse and hit the average Joe/Jane on a personal level. I do not buy into the notion that suffering is the condition for change, though, but... at this time, it is.

This is really a lesson for many, be it naive government-supporters or normal people sitting in their comfort zones. Since if people do not take meaningful action in a short time, and throw those government puppets out, then, the situation will go on. And it will become really nasty for everyone to see.

And what's more, if the situation worsens: People have created this. The majority seems to be content about the current situation, at least for now. Since how can 99 % of the population be suffering because of the decisions of a tiny 1% minority? The answer is: The majority does not care. They want to be taken care of, reject to be bothered about responsibilty. And this attitude has to go away.

Thanks God these crises are becoming so glaringly obvious that it becomes more and more difficult to ignore all the bad stuff. This is sad, but necessary. Otherwise, people don't move.

Post: #268

(09-05-2015 03:55 PM)amity Wrote:  

(09-05-2015 03:44 PM)TheNookieMonster Wrote:  What's the net tax impact of new immigrants to EU countries? Anyone know of data on this?

In the US, illegal immigrants tend to make a net contribution to taxes (i.e. they pay more than they consume in government services/entitlements) so it makes sense that politicians want to to keep them coming; immigrants help to push back the inevitable shortfalls in entitlement payments. In the EU, my sense is that immigrants might be a net drain on government coffers.

Re the first point, could that really be true?
I find that hard to believe, do you have any unbiased studies that show that's the case?
Re the second point, your sense is correct, significantly moreso in recent times with the increasing amounts of unskilled people from second/third world countries who know that the welfare states in Germany/UK/Sweden/Switzerland, etc will look after them.

Yes, it's true but I don't think I have any source that you would consider unbiased. My sources are all ultimately academics who tend to favor immigration anyway. Their methods are sound as far as I'm concerned.

We can think about it from first principles though. What do politicians do? They do what's best for politicians. Of all the issues facing American politicians, the looming shortfall in entitlement payments is by far the biggest problem. I think the projected shortfall in social security is coming in about 2030, and the CBO would have told you 2040 if you asked 10 years ago so it has gotten worse. The bipartisan support for illegal immigration among both major parties tells us that politicians across the board are benefiting from it. My hypothesis is that this bipartisan support is driven by the fact that politicians trust the research showing that illegal immigrants pay more in taxes than they consume. This allows politicians to continuing making entitlement payments without doing anything to address the fundamental problems in entitlement programs. They're just kicking the can in a new ingenious way.

The situation in Europe is more complicated, but my hunch is that this new immigration push is designed to prop up the European project which has been greatly weakened since the economic crisis and Greece fiasco. Basically, mass immigration will help them push the United States of Europe down everyone's throat.

Post: #269

The 800,000 number for Germany is of course also bullshit. That's only an estimate for 2015. But in the beginning of 2015 there were already 600,000 refugees in Germany, who had no right to be there. But Germany deports only like 16 000 illegals per year.

Post: #270

Quote:The situation in Europe is more complicated, but my hunch is that this new immigration push is designed to prop up the European project which has been greatly weakened since the economic crisis and Greece fiasco. Basically, mass immigration will help them push the United States of Europe down everyone's throat.

Yes. It destroys solidarity and keeps people divided.

It also deflects from many other topics which are controversial: The collapse of the Euro, the TTIP international free trade treaty and the rearmament for a possible war against Russia.

Post: #271

(09-06-2015 07:33 AM)Silvestroyer Wrote:  

(09-05-2015 06:13 PM)72 and sunny Wrote:  Translation: ""I wonder why it hasn't been done before," said 24-year-old Simone. "It just makes sense. We were having to travel abroad for strange while we could have so many foreign cocks roam free here."[/i]

It seems that some of those refugees have a tight "game"

I realise that we are in the Twilight Zone but how is this explained by the theory of hypergamy?

A white man of considerable wealth and status would still need game to be picked up by a pair of decent looking women.

Post: #272

Fortunately, Instagram and Facebook allow photographs to be saved for future reference. The poor post-war French needed to rely on gossip and memory for their conspirator-shaming.

Post: #273

(09-06-2015 07:33 AM)Silvestroyer Wrote:  

(09-05-2015 06:13 PM)72 and sunny Wrote:  Translation: ""I wonder why it hasn't been done before," said 24-year-old Simone. "It just makes sense. We were having to travel abroad for strange while we could have so many foreign cocks roam free here."[/i]

It seems that some of those refugees have a tight "game"

The grin on the Nigerian dude says it all. Can't blame a man for slaying pussy and getting better living standards at the same time.

EDIT: Spelling

Post: #274

Wow. Much multiculturalism. Such enrichment.

Oh yes, I'm so privileged you literally can't even.
Interested in joining the FFL? I tried (and failed).

Post: #275

(09-06-2015 05:48 AM)N°6 Wrote:  

"Everything is short lived. Transitory are not only people, languages, races and cultures. In the next few centuries there will be no more West-European culture, no Germans, Englishmen or French, just as there were no more Romans at the time of Justinian. It was not just the results of human generations that were extinguished; the inner form of the people that grouped a number of them together into a unitary form was not there anymore." - Oswald Spengler, Der Untergang des Abendlandes.