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Travesty 路 2016-08-22 15:39:00 路 #576
^ The reasoning would be if you could keep an American 8+ interested and loyal here in the U.S. already then go ahead and import a foreign 8+ just for the personality upgrade.

Only try to upgrade in personality, empathy, chastity, & family values.

Don't try to upgrade in looks & age from you could normally get, as she will figure out you are getting her for a massive discount.

You should be able to relatively easily attract local women at her same level in looks and age.

To be happy with a relationship from now til death, I really believe she has to see you as her superstar and not just a decent option.
Rocha 路 2016-08-22 15:58:00 路 #577
^^ why waste time, means and energy "Wife Hunting Abroad" then?
If a guy can keep a loyal 8+ in his country, better to keep investing in other ventures, that somehow, somewhere, he will find a nicer woman.

Now, a chaste 8+ is a unicorn. She can be chaste in only one hole at best.
stpete 路 2016-08-22 16:14:00 路 #578
^If you're clueless then you're clueless.

There are stories I have heard like this but it is subjective. If you can't get a girl in the States so you go there and bring her back. She is going to realize this sooner or later.

Plus there are plenty of guys that meet a girl on vacation search and immediately bring a desperate girl back. I mean what do you expect?

If you do enough travel and meet some of these guys it can be pathetic.

Another thing is if you bring a girl back she is going to be lonely.

So it's really subjective. If you are going there because you are picky in your own Country and have choices. That's completely different.

Best case there is still the lonely factor and another is potential support of her family. People don't talk much about this. It's something you also have to have a discussion about being the "rich American" family member.

I know several guys that get mad when their wife is sending checks back home. Or constantly on Skype with family and lonely.

There is a lot to consider. Biggest problem is guys thinking they can solve their woman problems by bringing some girl back. Thing is you're still the same guy with "woman problems".
Kid Twist 路 2016-08-22 17:08:00 路 #579
(08-22-2016 03:31 PM)scrambled Wrote:  "The OP is also wise to consider a 7 versus an 8 or above, as the second a girl like that gets into the US and finds out you're just another Joe Blow with a half-decent job, she'll start social climbing almost immediately and leave you in the dust."

Could you elaborate on this? I can't help but want to bring one back due limited vacation/holiday time off. Is it uniformly a bad move or acceptable in some situations? I want to think a guy with enough looks and game, who has a girl highly interested, can get away with it, but this might be wishful thinking.

How's it going over there?
Travesty 路 2016-08-22 17:23:00 路 #580
Rocha,

First as stated in this thread a million times it is best to stay in the foreign country where you meet the girl, this whole scenario is a plan B in case it is impossible.

The odds of me finding a low 7, 10 years younger that is chaste, feminine, family oriented is much too low in the U.S..

Can I date and bang low 7s here 10 years younger? Check out some other threads of mine done it dozens of times here in the U.S.. None of them are wife material because cute young U.S.. girl vast majority party and attention whore.

My last post said upgrade to personality, chastity, family values.

Either your reading comprehension is poor or the fact English is not your first language is burning brightly.

I say this question was C+ caliber. I am stating this because there are several questions you can tell the person hasn't been reading the thread or their question has no forethought before posting.

What the hell is with the downright piss poor questions in this thread?

How about some quality contributions instead?
Travesty 路 2016-08-22 17:43:00 路 #581
Here is an amazing post from the Player's Lounge just posted, that could not possibly exemplify more than what I am just talking about.

It isn't about the girls hotness or age it is about her personality, family values, and what she respects.

An overwhelming majority of cute America girls do not respect wanting to build a great family life together. Period.

33 year old American women with a 12 cock count out of a form of desperation start to respect it out of fear rather than love.

Fear of her being alone, rather than because she was in love with the idea of you both building a family together.

(08-22-2016 03:45 PM)Isaac Jordan Wrote:  
(08-22-2016 02:25 PM)kaotic Wrote:  
(08-22-2016 01:28 PM)Isaac Jordan Wrote:  <snip>

He opens the door to his soul with no shield covering it, yet she just wants to be compared to the next best thing. She can't comprehend what the man is saying, what he really is offering to her.

Sad.

Exactly.

It really struck a chord with me, as I'm continuing to move past the failed relationship I described a page or so ago in this thread.

I was ready to really commit to that girl, content to give her as much of my time, money, energy, attention, etc. as would be required to not just make her happy, but for us to build a good life together.

I'm only in my mid-twenties, but I run my own business, have a college degree and a six-figure net worth, six-pack abs, above average game, fun hobbies/interests, and a unique social circle/lifestyle setup that would blow most folks' minds if I were to talk about it.

(My intention is not to brag, but to show just what a catch she had found in me. With our amazing chemistry/sex life, compatible personalities, and mutual interests, I was completely astounded when she told me she wasn't interested in being with me any longer.)

My ex saw all this, saw this amazing body, business, and lifestyle I had painstakingly created for myself, saw just how intelligent, ambitious, and hard-working I am. Saw how willing I was to apply that wisdom and determination to her life as well, whether it was teaching her about personal finance, crafting a lifting routine for her, showing her how to cook healthy paleo meals, assisting her in her studies, or generally just helping her to achieve her goals, whatever those might be.

And she turned it all down anyway.

She wanted to go out, get drunk, dance at shows, party with her friends, and only work just hard enough to make it to the next round of weekend fun. Even though her words agreed with mine from the beginning, her actions eventually displayed her real priorities.

And like I mentioned in my previous post, with her being a 21 year-old American girl I shouldn't have been surprised. It was my fault for not anticipating this, for expecting so much more than I should have, for so easily casting my pearls before swine.

Perhaps she didn't actually see me, or my life, the way I described it above. Maybe that would also be expecting too much. I'm not sure which would be worse, her not being able to see the vast potential of our future together; or her seeing it, and eschewing it for the Sex and the City cock-carousel party life anyway.

Regardless, I'm glad to have learned my lesson, and passages like that one in The Fountainhead only help to steel my resolve in never making that mistake again.


Notice that last sentence?

I don't want to be the guy getting permanently jaded and turning into a lifeless alcoholic because I just pushed my chips into American girls one too many times.

I have already been lightly burned enough and that is with a vast amount of Game experience over almost all other men.
Rocha 路 2016-08-22 18:49:00 路 #582
(08-22-2016 05:23 PM)Travesty Wrote:  Rocha,

First as stated in this thread a million times it is best to stay in the foreign country where you meet the girl, this whole scenario is a plan B in case it is impossible.

The odds of me finding a low 7, 10 years younger that is chaste, feminine, family oriented is much too low in the U.S..

Can I date and bang low 7s here 10 years younger? Check out some other threads of mine done it dozens of times here in the U.S.. None of them are wife material because cute young U.S.. girl vast majority party and attention whore.

My last post said upgrade to personality, chastity, family values.

Either your reading comprehension is poor or the fact English is not your first language is burning brightly.

I say this question was C+ caliber. I am stating this because there are several questions you can tell the person hasn't been reading the thread or their question has no forethought before posting.

What the hell is with the downright piss poor questions in this thread?

How about some quality contributions instead?

Your being overly defensive/aggressive here, maybe not because of my reading skills, but because of the perceived tone of my question, which I find legitimate, but I recognize my comment lacked in some depth.

While I agree that a guy can or should not expect miracles (eg. male HB6 importing female HB8+), I disagree and think it is reductive to say that he should only aim for the same quality of looks and age he gets in his home country. In many places and cultures in the world looks and age of men is not the first SMV measure parameter like in the west. I believe that working and thriving in all aspects (money, looks, personality) will bring better lifetime results than spend time wife hunting some chick that can change in some years and be the totally opposite of what you met first... and people change, but almost always for the worst.
But possibly I am younger than you and never thought of marriage up to date.

But, I know some successful couples (at least up to date...the future who knows?) and others not so much. My evaluation of their level of success depends on the way the guy carries himself. The game should never stop, she needs to be always in check and know that from where she came there is more wishing to be in her place, that is the chip that needs to be inserted in her head. Instead of being the guy worrying that she will leave him for a prettier or richer man. Confident fellows or true players do not give a damn.

Picking on the previous post you quoted, and while have no idea of what happened inside their relation, except for what the OP writes, but the true is that every young girl in every country wants to have fun, the guy can have all the "package", but if he is a boring character, she will dump him sooner or later to have fun or tingles. In some places this may does not happen so frequently only because of socio-economical conditions, like ultra-religious, or poor places where there is no buffers for bad life decisions. Unfortunately this is common in every Social state.

Also nowhere I mentioned or disagreed that is not better to stay in her home country, I am 100% with you here, also on the personality upgrade.
Travesty 路 2016-08-22 18:59:00 路 #583
If I am not mistaken you live in Portugal.

I am guessing that place for all its faults is at least close in distance to several European countries with more feminine thin women than the U.S.. Many don't even speak English, the root of all social evils.

In the U.S. keeping a highly attractive & wanted girl (7.5+) I would venture to say is harder - probably much harder due to the vast amount of options and hook up culture. Women competition is lower and male competition higher.

When I go for a partner I want someone that I can cruise game at a B- level and ratchet it up when I want to.

If you bring a girl 1.0+ or higher above what you can usually get at home, back to the U.S. your game better be A/A+ day in and day out.

I don't want that burden for life with family, kids, aging/dying parent & relatives, and finances thrown in. I want to peacefully enjoy it. I don't want to see gaming my wife as a daily challenge I have to pass with flying colors. I am more than willing to take a hit on a girl's looks to achieve that.

Yet another point is foreign girls help you with your game naturally by acting feminine. U.S. girls by and large constantly try to challenge you with sarcasm and little bitch fits so they can get turned on by you swatting them down constantly. A retarded game that never ends.

Why deal with that?

This is also the last time I am answering any general question about why do this thread, and why not find a girl domestically, why not bring back the hottest girl you can if that is your only option. I wanted to share the first few times for guys on the fence or that haven't thought about it. Now answering is completely wasteful.
jcrew247 路 2016-08-23 12:09:00 路 #584
I was trying to meet girls online in Norway and I found a lot of hot ones on Meetic.
Has anyone used Meetic before?

I thought it was popular in Europe but I heard there are a lot of fake or inactive users.
It may be less popular now with Tinder. But I don't know how to spoof location in Tinder - is that something that requires payments.

Thought I would give Meetic a try, anyone have good experiences with it?
Gorgiass 路 2016-08-23 22:41:00 路 #585
(08-22-2016 06:49 PM)Rocha Wrote:  male HB6

Just so you know, "HB" stands for "hot babe". Not meant to be used with reference to male SMV.

(08-22-2016 06:59 PM)Travesty Wrote:  If you bring a girl 1.0+ or higher above what you can usually get at home, back to the U.S. your game better be A/A+ day in and day out.

True if you live in a city, but the need for game in an LTR declines when you move outside one. The lower the population of a town the higher the social accountability. People still cheat of course, but in my experience it's much less common. Standards for game drop dramatically and options diminish, so you could run on autopilot and still be head and shoulders above the competition. My home base is a house in the burbs of a town of ~100k and I definitely do not daygame in the manner I sometimes log in the approach thread there, because of the hit my social standing would take. Standard of living is still very good - great restaurants, coffee shops, hardware stores, outlets, etc locally, less than an hour to a major city (which I'll probably be renting a second place in soon) but people don't fuck with their neighbors wives around here. It's on the east coast, which might make a difference.

Some of the Vietnamese cities and beaches sound pretty sick though, if you can maintain a high standard of living there with your line of work, more power to you. I couldn't so I'm stuck stateside. Not a bad backup plan if you need one though - I'd never bring a wife to LA or even SB.
Travesty 路 2016-08-23 22:46:00 路 #586
^ Yeah SoCal is terrible. If I didn't want to live abroad, or the time logistics of being on a timezone so far from the U.S. caused trouble I would probably go for a smaller mountain front town/suburb just outside the Denver area.

I think the best bet if you bring back a hotter chick is live in not only a small and slower area, also one where you are the one of the best guys as well in game, looks, and money. Of course get her involved in the community with women and children to keep her busy, also so she has pressure to keep up a good reputation.

For instance Santa Barbara is only 90,000 people, would be an absolute fuck up to bring a girl hotter than you can normally get here.

Again, everything I say is aiming to have the best life possible with the best behaved most loving woman I can make her. There are many ways you could just keep a girl satisfied bringing her back, not blissful though with ups and downs. I want it as smooth as I can make it. Why not aim for that if I plan to have sex and live with one chick for such a long time? It better be as sweet as I can make it and not just good enough.
TheBoom 路 2016-08-30 01:22:00 路 #587
(08-22-2015 07:19 PM)Travesty Wrote:  I'm 30 and I want to find a wife 8-12 years younger.

Mexico
Brazil

Poland
Romania
Serbia (maybe Albania and Bosnia - are they worth it?)

China
Taiwan
Vietnam

I have lived in Mexico and China and now live in Taiwan. My take on wife hunting in these three countries:
1. Mexico: not unless you like fat middle-aged (which your wife will someday be) women. I only saw 3 women over 40 who still looked good in one year there. Lot of hot young women but by mid-20's they are already putting on weight. By 35 most are overweight. By 40 they almost all have at least a gut. I've heard they are very loyal but I could never get over the fat.

2. Taiwan: lot of cute women. Tend to keep their bodies in nice shape throughout their lives and dress well or at least until 60's. Taiwanese women don't see the relationship between men and women as a zero sum game as do American women. Problem with your plan is that women don't tend to date men much older than them. From what I see, 5 years is about the max of age difference with some rare exceptions of 10 to 15 years. But divorce is low and they are very family oriented. Their parents don't try and control you like the Chinese mothers do in the PRC. However, if you don't plan on spending the rest of your life in Taiwan, you need to find out early in a relationship if she is willing to move away from her parents. Most Chinese view it as a duty to take care of their parents when they are older. that is changing some but still very common.

3. China: women not as cute as Taiwan overall and age poorly for the most part probably because of all the environmental problems. You can definitely marry one younger than you there but keep in mind that money is really important. That isn't true for all but I would say that 85% of the women that I asked why they married their husband replied, "He had the most money." Women told me that a common saying of mothers to their daughters is, "marry a man who loves you. But you don't need to love him. If later you want a relationship with a man you love, have an affair." That pretty much summed up their attitude. Romantic love is starting to happen but it is not the general rule. That said, I met some men who married PRC women and were very happy. Vast majority are pressured into marrying by mid-20's so your age range is right. After that many have affairs because they don't love their spouses and many times the spouse doesn't love them.
TheBoom 路 2016-08-30 04:10:00 路 #588
One other thing I would add about marrying a woman you meet in another country and bringing her back to the US is that if she is good looking that might not work out for you.

In many developing countries or Central Europe, attractive women are the norm. She might not be considered special there and you might be considered a catch since you likely make more money than most of the locals (unless you land a babe in the elite class). However, when you take her back to the US she will be the catch compared to the American women who look like bloated lumberjacks. I knew Chinese immigrant women in the states who said that the Chinese women they worked with all talked about how they would love to dump their husbands and marry wealthier men. I worked with a Vietnamese woman who said many Vietnamese young men will return to Vietnam to find a wife who is better looking and more traditional than the women in the US. The minute many of the women get their green cards they leave the men and hook up with wealthier ones because the woman is in high demand on the dating scene. Even if the woman is not that way by nature, it is very easy suddenly becoming a much sought after babe to have that go to her head.
Travesty 路 2016-09-02 20:35:00 路 #589
^ Thanks for telling the truth about how Mexican chicks all get fat. I brought that up before. Very very rare for them to stay thin. Yet more mud smeared onto the big taco bowl nation.

I have said plenty of times you don't bring back someone hotter than you can get in the U.S. (or whatever country). You only upgrade personality and life views.

Interesting info about Chinese. They seem much more brutal, simple, and to the point in their life outlooks than Vietnamese and apparently Taiwanese (haven't experienced them). I think for someone like me China would be a great place to run a harem and bang a lot of chicks. It sounds like for taking them as wives they have a lot of hurdles you need to learn about. I have heard repeatedly they can make great wives, it sounds like the learning curve is much higher though to get in sync with them.

Thanks for all the different experiences. Good opinions from people that have experienced multiple places.
Travesty 路 2016-09-02 20:38:00 路 #590
Maybe I asked this before.

Anyone have thoughts on Estonian girls as wives? They sound like the best bet in the Baltics and seem like they are softer versions of what many men experience from sometimes colder thinking Russian women.

Worth any exploration?
jcrew247 路 2016-09-03 13:32:00 路 #591
(09-02-2016 08:38 PM)Travesty Wrote:  Maybe I asked this before.

Anyone have thoughts on Estonian girls as wives? They sound like the best bet in the Baltics and seem like they are softer versions of what many men experience from sometimes colder thinking Russian women.

Worth any exploration?

Are Estonians considered Scandanavian/blondes? I always thought they were brunettes like romanians but maybe I'm getting my geography mixed up - I confuse most of the FSU countries. I would think Poland would have better wives and hotter women for FSU countries.

Just had a random business idea, there should be some sort of official guide-book for Interracial relationships or Non-white Male/White Female inter-cultural relationships. Could be a lucrative idea if a lot of non-white men are interested in those types of guides or tips based for learning about different cultures.
Constitution45 路 2016-09-03 14:19:00 路 #592
I'm not exactly looking for a wife, but I had a similar experience recently. After moving back to the U.K from the East, I had potential to bring a girl back with me to live here. Even though I am doing alright for myself, financially and in terms of getting women from my own country, I still had to be realistic. This girl would walk all over other girls in terms of competition because she would at least be a 9/10 over here. Secondly I simply can't compete with the competition, I saw semi red flags in her personality, that made me feel uncomfortable to keep her as a long term prospect. I think as you grow older as a man, you start to think with your big head rather than your small head. There are times to let your passions go unguarded when dealing with rejection for example, our instincts make it possible to just push through and keep approaching other girls or opportunities etc. But then there are other times when calculated risks need to be taken, and you need to be pragmatic as hell. Anyway good thread.
Malone 路 2016-09-08 08:35:00 路 #593
So, I'm back from Vietnam.

I went about 2 months ago, and due to a stupid mixup with my laptop, my password database and GDrive, lost a lot of passwords. Including the RVF password AND the RVF email password. So I was lurking the last 2 months, unable to post.

Anyway.

I've come back with my Vietnamese bride. The marriage itself was relatively uneventful. It's a contract only in Vietnam, as far the government is concerned. I hired an "agent" who supposedly knew who to grease. That cost about $600, and it went quickly and without issues.

The Spanish embassy ended up being an enormous pain in my backside. But they eventually granted her a visa and now we're here.

I've got a loving, submissive wife who I've got well trained in the sack. She's a bit silly and feminine but I like that. With me teaching her she's starting to learn how to cook well. Blowjobs on demand, etc.

She's 21 years younger than me. I plan to get her pregnant and start cranking out the descendants tout suite. I am shooting for 5, she whines and wants 3. I'll probably get my way. Her former boss's grandmother had 18(!) children. 2 of which died young. Her grandmother had 8 children. It's only her mothers generation (the communist rule generations) that started having less children due to having issues feeding them I assume. She just has one sibling.

To quote Gordon Ramsay:

Wife Hunting Abroad: Done.
rudebwoy 路 2016-09-08 08:50:00 路 #594
The thirst of men in my city makes doing this unrealistic.

You can throw around the beauty scale and talk about A+ game, but you are in for a long ride if she is half way decent looking.

The only way this might succeed is if you get a single mother or a older lady, which I am sure many of you are far too young to consider. I am not saying I would consider that option, I have dated both and the single mother had all the right qualities.

Women have too much options in the west.

I know of women with kids who have left their husbands and some other chump has set up shop with them.

On the positive side, I almost went down this road. I lived with the girl in Europe for some time, so I know it would have worked.

I opted out because the girl wanted to be a stay at home mom, which ain't happening in the west.
Travesty 路 2016-09-08 12:05:00 路 #595
^ I am not understanding from multiple angles.

You've said in the past you have had consistent success with good looking girls in TDot. Why not bring a girl back at the same level of looks, just a much nicer personality?

If TDot thirst is so bad you couldn't even bring back a similar level of looks girl then it seems like it would be bad for gaming on top of it. So what is the advantage? Not good for LTR, not good for a player. A paycheck then you are in a coffin?

I live in SoCal right now. Looks wise and age wise I can do a 8-10 year younger 7 (there are lots of good looking girls her, lots of competition too though). And I am sure it could have a decent chance of working out.
Even with this though I won't roll the dice and will certainly move when I settle down to a place in the U.S. that is more family-oriented, affordable, and stable for relationships. Women are too status obsessed here in general.
Travesty 路 2016-09-08 12:08:00 路 #596
(09-08-2016 08:35 AM)Malone Wrote:  Wife Hunting Abroad: Done.

Hey could you please share some details? It is wonderful you pulled it off, you have a treasure trove of valuable info.

1. How did you meet her?

2. What city were you both in?

3. What city was she from?

4. Did you learn anything from locals about where the best cities for LTR girls are?

5. Did you learn any Vietnamese?

6. How good is her English? My friend that just got married to one, she is in business using English everyday and it is still pretty horrific. My Spanish after a year of self study and no business use may be better than her English.

7. Why did you decide to pull the trigger so quickly?

8. What did her family think? How was it dealing with them?

9. Did she come right out and say she was looking forward to moving to a 1st world country or did you need to convince her?

10. Is it expected you help out her family back home financially?

11. Was she a professional of some sort or a street shop girl?
Travesty 路 2016-09-08 12:18:00 路 #597
Tallies in the thread so far of Wifing Abroad:

Thailand: 1
Vietnam: 1
Malone 路 2016-09-08 14:02:00 路 #598
(09-08-2016 12:08 PM)Travesty Wrote:  1. How did you meet her?

I banged a bunch of chicks from VietnamCupid, she was one of them. I didn't close her until date #4.

Quote:2. What city were you both in?
3. What city was she from?

Saigon. She had never actually left Saigon (except for day trips to Vung Tau) until I came into her life.

Quote:4. Did you learn anything from locals about where the best cities for LTR girls are?
Nah.

Quote:5. Did you learn any Vietnamese?

I started to. Then I started banging my Vietnamese teacher and she went a little crazy and the classes stopped.
Quote:6. How good is her English? My friend that just got married to one, she is in business using English everyday and it is still pretty horrific. My Spanish after a year of self study and no business use may be better than her English.

Quite decent. I've been correcting her pronunciation.

Quote:7. Why did you decide to pull the trigger so quickly?

Not so quickly, I've been dating her on and off for 3 years as I've lived there. I had planned this last year, but she got a little crazy with the LDR and I backed off. I picked up the slack again earlier this year. I'm going to be 44 this year, I'm going to be an old dad as it is.

Quote:8. What did her family think? How was it dealing with them?

Her mom died a year or so ago. I was with her when that happened. Her father and sister were fine with it. Her cousins were all "OMG you're getting married so young!" The young Vietnamese girls all have the same belief that they should get married at exactly 28, as that's the best amount of time to allow for a "career." - Even the virgins think that.

We had a wedding party - not a wedding in the traditional Vietnamese sense, and not a reception. Basically just invited all the family and I got to meet all the aunts, uncles and cousins. They all gave her some money, which didn't quite cover the cost of the party.

Quote:9. Did she come right out and say she was looking forward to moving to a 1st world country or did you need to convince her?

No, she never wanted to. But I didn't want to live in Vietnam and so I told her I was taking her with me.

Quote:10. Is it expected you help out her family back home financially?

Nah. The only one she'd give money to at all is her sister, and her sister refused to take any of my money.

Quote:11. Was she a professional of some sort or a street shop girl?

She was a student when I met her, and after she graduated she went on to become sales at a big gym chain, working as an assistant to the GM, etc. Met the guy, he's a pretty red pill American dude married to a hot Thai girl with a young son and living in Saigon working for this international corporation. Same age as me, the difference being he's fine with sticking to SEA and he married a hi-so Thai girl instead of a fairly poor Vietnamese girl.

He taught my girl a lot about life while they worked their 12 hour days and was a big cheerleader for her GTFOing Vietnam.
Travesty 路 2016-09-08 15:07:00 路 #599
(09-08-2016 02:02 PM)Malone Wrote:  1. How did you meet her?


I banged a bunch of chicks from VietnamCupid, she was one of them. I didn't close her until date #4.


2. What city were you both in?
3. What city was she from?

Saigon. She had never actually left Saigon (except for day trips to Vung Tau) until I came into her life.


4. Did you learn anything from locals about where the best cities for LTR girls are?

Nah.

8. What did her family think? How was it dealing with them?


Her mom died a year or so ago. I was with her when that happened. Her father and sister were fine with it. Her cousins were all "OMG you're getting married so young!" The young Vietnamese girls all have the same belief that they should get married at exactly 28, as that's the best amount of time to allow for a "career." - Even the virgins think that.

Thank you for all the responses, very nice.

The things I will state with having visited 4 cities all up and down in Vietnam for other guys are:

1. Vietnam is much much bigger than Saigon especially for LTRs. In fact it was my experience Da Nang (much more spacious and laid-back) and Hanoi (more traditional feeling and not as nearly as big city urban) would both be much better for LTRs. Saigon is the NYC / L.A. of Vietnam. Though I hated Nha Trang even there I bet you could find better LTR girls. I think Saigon it self with no metro, subway, often tiny cramped or nonexistent sidewalks is bad for mental health. Hanoi was leaps and bounds more walkable in comparison. HCMC is cramped with motorbikes. Traffic dictates your life. Almost everything is in District 1. I would rate its quality of life day to day far far below Bangkok or Hong Kong. I would be dying to leave HCMC after probably 3 weeks.

2. Learning some Vietnamese will go a long long way as it seems most of the best girls do not speak much English and love to hear a Westerner speak Viet.

3. You have been in Vietnam for a bit of time it seems mostly in Saigon? I would think that girls not wanting to get married until 28 may be an urban Saigon thing. I went on a date with a girl where her sisters and brothers in the early mid 20s were all married with kids already (lower-class Saigon family on the outskirts).

Also my friend that just got married to a 30 year old Saigon girl said that it was very rare and strange from her family from the countryside to stay single so long.
Going strong 路 2016-09-08 15:41:00 路 #600
(09-08-2016 08:35 AM)Malone Wrote:  So, I'm back from Vietnam.

I went about 2 months ago, and due to a stupid mixup with my laptop, my password database and GDrive, lost a lot of passwords. Including the RVF password AND the RVF email password. So I was lurking the last 2 months, unable to post.

Anyway.

I've come back with my Vietnamese bride. The marriage itself was relatively uneventful. It's a contract only in Vietnam, as far the government is concerned. I hired an "agent" who supposedly knew who to grease. That cost about $600, and it went quickly and without issues.

The Spanish embassy ended up being an enormous pain in my backside. But they eventually granted her a visa and now we're here.

I've got a loving, submissive wife who I've got well trained in the sack. She's a bit silly and feminine but I like that. With me teaching her she's starting to learn how to cook well. Blowjobs on demand, etc.

She's 21 years younger than me. I plan to get her pregnant and start cranking out the descendants tout suite. I am shooting for 5, she whines and wants 3. I'll probably get my way. Her former boss's grandmother had 18(!) children. 2 of which died young. Her grandmother had 8 children. It's only her mothers generation (the communist rule generations) that started having less children due to having issues feeding them I assume. She just has one sibling.

To quote Gordon Ramsay:

Wife Hunting Abroad: Done.

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