Post: #61726

(04-07-2017 01:19 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  Ok. Cool. It's not a big deal, say.

Didn't say that, this was a very important turn of events.

Quote:Do you know the best way to ensure it doesn't become a bigger deal? Loudly, furiously condemn the direction this is going in, then (internally!) chill the fuck out while on the surface continuing to snarl in rage at Trump's betrayal of his promises.

I don't think it's a "betrayal" but the absolute emotinal meltdowns on the last few pages are hilarious and aren't helpful.

When I say chill the fuck out, I mean act RATIONALLY not EMOTIONALLY (Angry).

Wait and see a day or two for the current events to fully unfold and get more information.

Quote:Will that ensure the MAGA agenda gets back on track? No, but it sure as hell beats getting our shit pushed in and pretending to like it because it is Trump who's doing the pushing.

Trump isn't fucking anyone over. Yes, I completely understand that guys who didn't want anymore intervention are mad.

Quote:Why is this so hard to understand? During the election, we actively and vigorously pushed to have Trump become president, because we wanted to MAGA. Now that Trump is president, we have to actively and vigorously push so that Trump actually implements MAGA. Just standing on the sidelines and "chilling" waiting for the cards to fall where they will would have been the wrong play to get Trump elected, and now it's equally the wrong play to get Trump to do what we want him to do. It's as simple as that, and it has nothing to do with whether we have "faith" in Trump or not.

I don't think he forgot MAGA, here in my own state, they're getting ready to build examples of the walls, Sacramento is triggered and is trying to shame bidders and construction companies by making a black list.

Immigration is down substantially for the first time in 17 years.

Job numbers look great in the last report.

Gorsuch just got confirmed by the senate for SCOTUS.

I'd say that's pretty high energy and MAGA man.

Quote:What is funniest to me is that people (not you in this case Kaotic) are telling us to chill the fuck out, this is just Trump "A/B testing" his shit. Which is a hilariously retarded thing to say, because if you know Trump is doing A/B testing, you want to do the exact opposite of chilling out. You want to scream on the top of your lungs A and not B!!!

No offense take either way brother !

I don't think this is A/B shit testing or any game comparison.

This is super real world political shit.

I think he'll be alright and this will wash over.

Post: #61727

(04-07-2017 01:16 PM)ms224 Wrote:  This place is #NeverTrump over a fireworks show in syria?

It's almost as if you haven't read what people are typing. If many of us thought this was going to be a one-time bombing of runways with little collateral damage, we wouldn't be as concerned.

Problem is that's hardly the story here.

1) It appears the missile attack was in response to a false flag. If Trump can get hoodwinked that easily, that's a problem going forward.

2) Tillerson is putting together a coalition to take out Assad.

3) We're needlessly provoking Russia over the apparent false flag. What happened to Trump wanting to take out ISIS with Russia? Now he's supporting ISIS while going against Russia.

4) The removal of a Middle Eastern dictator a) is something Trump ran against as b) it's blown up in our faces every single last time we've done it.

5) There's a reason ISIS is celebrating today. Trump just took out resources used to fight them. And that's the real problem here looking forward. Removal of Assad doesn't end with some peace loving president put in his place, it ends with even worse extremist elements gaining control, turning Syria into a failed state and jihad haven.

Post: #61728

(04-07-2017 10:37 AM)DamienCasanova Wrote:  If anyone else has noticed, Trump has been meeting with the Kings of Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia etc and formed a Middle East "Freedom" coalition with Israel, Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, UAE etc. So this isn't coming out of nowhere, he's been setting up something like this for a while, trying to bring peace to the region and acting on the interests of the majority of peaceful countries in the region. Like Libertas said, the confirmation bias for some of you is astounding to see in real time. Those brahs who have a hard-on for all things (((Jewish))) have finally been triggered, and it's been amazing to see the over-the-top reactions.

Sure I understand some of the immediate reaction, but none of us keyboard jockeys really know what's going on yet, so before jumping off the Train let's just wait and see how things play out before we all condemn Trump as part of a secret Mossad Scheme the Jooz have been planning for 2 decades to start WW3 through Jared Kushner.

Saudi Arabia and Israel are "peaceful"? Hmmm ... I must have not been paying attention ...

Post: #61729

(04-06-2017 08:21 PM)MMX2010 Wrote:  Breaking news right now, as discussed on Tucker Carlson Tonight.

The United States, under orders from President Trump, has launched approximately 43 Tomahawk missiles on one (or possibly two) air bases in Syria. Those air bases were being used to store chemical weapons.

Tomahawk missiles are designed to avoid Russian casualties, as compared to air strikes.

..snip..

Those Tomahawks are kind of end of shelf now and needed to be used up. You could put them in the bin, but using them and them proving their 'effectiveness' looks good for buying a few more.

This is a propaganda proxy war - no one was going to send in US fighter jets with the serious batteries of SS-300/400 whatevers the Russians have on the ground for the 'big one'. Whether they would have even used them is debatable. They probably would have just let them bomb the crap out of a section of the country. To shoot down a US fighter jet/bomber would be politically imprudent.

Still, there was no way in hell that the US would risk that over a small potato war like this. For the domestic audience to hear of a fighter/bomber pilot losing his life would have been a bridge too far. It just wasn't worth it. Tomahawks done the job they were designed for. More on order now. All is good. See General Smedley Butler's opinion on it all.

I said last week on a more war orientated forum that a new world war would be starting in a few days or weeks. The whole lot was just ripe, and I was right. So many things brought to boiling point. So many questions that can not be allowed to answered. It was time.

On top of that. I have even greater psychic abilities it would seem. As I made my afternoon tea and turned the computer on, I said to myself: ah so it is Terrorist Friday. No terrorist every does anything on a Monday. It is time for that as well. And I was right. Sweden.

Now, I don't really believe I am psychic. I'm not even that well informed. But I do have a bit more time on my hands compared to the average Jo. There is a pattern developing here.

Looks like Zelcorpion was right all along. Trump got the horse's head on the bed. I feel for him. Now POTUS stands for 'Puppet of the Underground State'.

I think this will blow over. It's a major demoralisation exercise. Meant to not just split the Trump camp apart, but to mock those that voted for him, and to give fuel to those that will say 'see, we told you he was a big orange meanie'.

I must say though, even though I could feel major war in the air. I didn't think it would come from Trump, I thought it would be Turkey or something. But don't be too hard on Trump, this was not his decision.

Russia will eat shit on this, to do otherwise would be silly. But the US war-hawks knew that. They will keep getting away with it as well, up to the point when they don't. I'm ashamed to see the UK condoning this.

This was a hit job. A set up. And more than that, the whole world said so before it happened. The internet is getting out of hand. We all need to be taught a lesson and know our place. This was to teach us all that we know nothing, we have no power, and then we can just bicker among ourselves. Forget Syria, forget Russia. This is pure psyops.

Post: #61730

(04-07-2017 02:12 PM)Rigsby Wrote:  Those Tomahawks are kind of end of shelf now and needed to be used up. You could put them in the bin, but using them and them proving their 'effectiveness' looks good for buying a few more.

It seems that Raytheon owes the American taxpayer 36 of these fuckers. I wonder if we bought the extended warranty?

‘Low efficiency’: Only 23 Tomahawk missiles out of 59 reached Syrian airfield, Russian MoD says
https://www.rt.com/news/383858-syria-us-...efficient/

Post: #61731

(04-06-2017 08:50 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 08:47 PM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  This feels like when I didn't want to believe Nasa Test Pilot was fake.

He was in there lase-ing the targets for the Tomahawks, I'm sure.

Almost correct.





NTP raw-dogged it to death!

Post: #61732

Post: #61733

(04-06-2017 08:59 PM)stugatz Wrote:  Son of a bitch. SON OF A BITCH. Fuck Trump and the horse he rode in on.

I will take a deep breath, watch this movie I torrented, and hopefully my opinions change in the morning. Right now, though, I feel betrayed and hurt.

My life has been on an upward trajectory ever since I've taken the red pill and pulled my head out of my ass. WWIII is the last thing I need.

You are meant to feel betrayed and hurt.

That was the whole point of this exercise. To neuter Trump. To disorientate and demoralise his supporters. Don't we all feel silly now, uh?

WWWIII is not starting. The job is done. Until the next one.

Don't be afraid now, be afraid for what is about to come. But probably it won't come. The economy will just get worse. Ed Sheeran will have 10/10 of the top 10. More wealth from the middle classes will be transferred to the rich. The poor have little left to give.

Everything is going to plan citizen. Do not worry. Be happy in your brave new world.

Seriously, this does not effect you in reality. You have food to eat. Porn to whack off to on the old compo. You certainly have a bloody good circus of entertainment to get steamed up over. But let it end there. This is not boots on the ground warfare anymore, it's hearts and minds and adrenal systems and dopamine rushes. Detach.

But at some point you will have to get involved, as we all will. First though, we must realise the game being played with us. We are being gamed by politicians, no, sorry, the politician's masters, the way that we game a good looking girl in a nightclub, if we can. Not all of them fall for it of course.

I may be wrong, but this whole thing stinks of fish and I'm refusing to be drawn in one way or another. Trump might really really need our support and help now. And we have little left to lose by giving it to him.

Post: #61734

(04-07-2017 02:22 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

Probably my confirmation bias talking as the fact pattern fits into what I want to believe, but I pray this is what was planned all along. If it proves out, then this would be Trump's ultimate power consolidation / narrative realignment move, a la the end of Godfather part 1, again proving himself a master of Scott Adams's so-called weapons grade persuasion. Time will tell.

Post: #61735

Scott Adams' take

The Syrian Air Base Attack

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/15930083638...ase-attack

As I blogged yesterday, the claim that Assad ordered a chemical attack on his own people in the past week doesn’t pass my sniff test. For Assad to order a gas attack now – while his side is finally winning – he would have to be willing to risk his life and his regime for no real military advantage. I’m not buying that.

But let’s say the world believes Assad or a rogue general under his command gassed his own people. What’s an American President to do? If Trump does nothing, he appears weak, and it invites mischief from other countries. But if he launches 59 Tomahawk missiles at a Syrian military air base base within a few days, which he did, the U.S. gets several benefits at low cost:

1. President Trump just solved for the allegation that he is Putin’s puppet. He doesn’t look like Putin’s puppet today. And that was Trump’s biggest problem, which made it America’s problem too. No one wants a president who is under a cloud of suspicion about Russian influence.

2. President Trump solved (partly) for the allegation that he is incompetent. You can hate this military action, but even Trump’s critics will call it measured and rational. Like it or not, President Trump’s credibility is likely to rise because of this, if not his popularity. Successful military action does that for presidents.

3. President Trump just set the table for his conversations with China about North Korea. Does China doubt Trump will take care of the problem in China’s own backyard if they don’t take care of it themselves? That negotiation just got easier.

4. Iran might be feeling a bit more flexible when it’s time to talk about their nuclear program.

5. Trump’s plan of a Syrian Safe Zone requires dominating the Syrian Air Force for security. That just got easier.

6. After ISIS is sufficiently beaten-back, the Syrian government will need to negotiate with the remaining entities in Syria to form a lasting peace of some sort that keeps would-be refugees in place. Syria’s government just got more flexible. It probably wants to keep the rest of its military.

7. Israel is safer whenever an adversary’s air power is degraded.

On the risk side of the equation, we have the possibility of getting into war with Russia. I’d put those odds at roughly zero in this case because obviously the U.S. warned Russia about the attack. That means we knew their reaction before we attacked. And it was a measured response of the type Putin probably respects. I expect Russia to complain a lot but continue to partner with the U.S. against ISIS.

If it turns out that the sarin gas attack that sparked this military action didn’t come from Assad, it doesn’t much matter. President Trump will bank all of the benefits above even if the attack turns out to be a hoax. We know Assad had some chemical weapons at one point, and probably used them. No one will be crying for Assad if the attack was unnecessary. And realistically, the public will never be 100% sure who was behind the attack.

I doubt this is the first step in a larger plan for war to depose Assad. But if Assad thinks it might be, we have a stronger position over there.

I’m not pro-war, so this military action alarms me the same way it alarms most people. But objectively speaking, the risk-reward ratio for this attack on Syria’s air field was exceptionally good. You rarely see so many benefits arise from one limited military action.

I thought President Trump would hold off on military action in the service of regime change. That still seems to be the case. But once our intelligence services traced the plane that allegedly dropped the gas back to a specific air base, it opened the option that Trump took. I didn’t realize that our military knows what every aircraft in Syria is doing at all times. That’s impressive, bordering on hard-to-believe.

Post: #61736

Cernovich has repeatedly said on his periscope yesterday that his military sources say all forces are being mobilized and prepared for invasion and war.

If Mike is right about this, then he is pretty much the best news source in America.

Post: #61737

(04-07-2017 03:00 PM)DamienCasanova Wrote:  I didn’t realize that our military knows what every aircraft in Syria is doing at all times. That’s impressive, bordering on hard-to-believe.

Post: #61738

If this was a one off event then all is well. If there is indeed to be an invasion and consequent war, then Trump has either caved in or he was along the Deep State's plans all the time and we were all fools.

All this is of course highly hypothetical. But if he does this, it's over.

Post: #61739

(04-07-2017 11:24 AM)stugatz Wrote:  Also, someone clear something up for me. The media is going bonkers over how Gorsuch got nuked in and it's horrible - yet a quick look on Wikipedia shows me that Clarence Thomas was confirmed by an even narrower margin (52-48) and Samuel Alito was under 60 too (58-42). Is the sixty-vote rule for Supreme Court nominations just willy-nilly gotten rid of whenever, and nobody remembers?

The 60 vote rule is for any cabinet nomination - not just Supreme Court - but there are ways around this as you noted. If you have less than 60, the other side can fillibuster which basically means wasting time by reading the phone book, encylopedia, etc. That is really a nuclear option if you ask me, but it has a long precedent.

Clarence Thomas was basically an Affirmative Action hire - he really didn't have the standing to be on the Court when nominated, although you could probably say the same about Sotomayor and Kagan. He also has a white wife if I recall correctly and that was probably the unspoken reason for the opposition. Don't know if anyone remembers this but he had a former employee, Anita Hill, lodge some very implausible sexual harrassment claims against him.

Alito was a solid right winger when nominated, hence the opposition.

Post: #61740

(04-07-2017 01:40 PM)BrewDog Wrote:  I think some people don't understand what libertarianism means. Libertarians just want to be left alone. All I ask of my fellow citizen is to stay out of my yard and don't steal my shit. Just mind your own business and I'll mind mine. There's nothing Utopian about that.

Wanting something that has never happened in modern human history, which involves roughly 6.9 billion people dramatically changing their social and political viewpoints, is utopian by definition.

Post: #61741

(04-07-2017 03:01 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Cernovich has repeatedly said on his periscope yesterday that his military sources say all forces are being mobilized and prepared for invasion and war.

If Mike is right about this, then he is pretty much the best news source in America.

I don't have an opinion on a military mobilization, but Mike has broken a lot of news, just like Drudge was doing 20 years ago. He ought to start an aggregation site like Drudge.

Post: #61742

(04-07-2017 02:22 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

Let's do those "-" bullet points from top to bottom:

1. Terrorists put on notice because Trump bombed Assad's airbase? Wait..am I just too stupid to see the chess here, or is Assad fighting the terrorists and so the terrorists are celebrating right now rather than being on notice?

2. The whole stupid pamphlet starts out by saying "deep state false flags Syria gas attack," which is the only thing they actually get right. The second bullet point is thus complete garbage that contradicts their very own introduction. Trump doesn't upstage anyone and draws no red lines, he falls for a deep state false flag according to the very idiots who compiled this list!

3. Last I looked the "muh Russia" narrative existed because his enemies control the media and carpet bomb the airwaves with nonsense. The tomahawks knocked out a Syrian airbase, not CNN headquarters, so the "muh Russia" narrative is as alive as ever. The ability of the MSM to bombard with nonsense has not been diminished as a result of the strike. Also, launching tomahawks at Syria has nothing to do with Trey Gowdy or the Susan Rice investigation, aside from taking attention away from the latter.

4. Trump bombed Syria to show his supporters will desert him if he does stupid shit like bomb Syria? Ok... I'd argue against it except it's not even a coherent thought so all I can say is WTF?

5. Not sure about this one. It's hard to say at this point what message, if any, President Xi drew from any of this. If I was Xi, my take-away lesson would be "WTF is this dude doing? I haven't got a clue. Time for some Kung Pao chicken and a foot massage."

5. False flag planted by deep state pedo elites elicits exact response pedo elites were hoping for, pedo elites put on notice. Uh...ok.

Post: #61743

(04-06-2017 09:42 PM)uncledick Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 09:39 PM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  BREAKING: US Secretary of State says Russia has 'failed in its responsibility' and is either incompetent or complicit on chemical weapons -

Legitimate? Sound the alarms if true.

Oh fuckin hell, it's just getting worse. What the hell did the neocons do to him? Send a CIA spook into his bedroom at night and threaten to cut his balls off?

You jest. But don't knock it!

That kind of scenario might have happened though. It might have been his pet cat or dog, disfigured in horrible ways we can not imagine. It might have been an old IRS return that was innocent enough by itself, but led to deeper meanderings. It could have been a lot of things. The man is human. He has been turned. Let us not judge him too harshly on this. Let us look for the culprits who have mocked our God Emperor.

It might have been a build up of frustrations. Everyday political stuff, like the aforementioned lack of security clearances for his chosen staff. It may even have been a deal: you give us this, and we will give you that, or perhaps: you give us this, and we won't do that to you!

He is just one man. The time has come. The jig is up. The whole fucking population of the world knows the POTUS does not really run the whole world. He has delegates, minions etc. - people he trusts. People he has to trust because he knows no better. Friends of friends. What if those friends weren't so great friends in the first place?

I've had the rug pulled out from right under me by people I put all my eggs in to one basket with. If this whole thing wasn't a setup (I'm talking the presidency and how Trump came to power), and I don't believe it was - I believe it was just a joke that got out of hand - but if it wasn't a setup, then this man finds himself in an absolutely impossible position. How many friends does any one man have? I can tell you. Few.

Good friends and true loyalty is hard to come by in this life.

But little of that matters if he has been got to. It's a matter of nuance. But the last thing the Golden Don needs right now is all his so called supporters turning coat and jumping ship. Just a little bit of moral support will do him the world of good. If he has any agency left.

I really don't know what is going on. I predicted war and I predicted a terrorist event today. But I did not predict this. And that is the whole game. The other things come in waves. But for someone with such deep respect and trust to do something so circumspect? Well. Dirty tricks 101.

But then again, maybe they did just offer to cut his balls off. Or Baron's balls. Maybe nothing was said and the horse's head did all the talking.

All I know is, Trump is not fucking stupid. He is not a warmonger. And he has been got to - how I don't know - and for the moment I will still give him my wholehearted support. This isn't 5D chess, but it is geopolitical chess. A few kids dying here or there? Pah. Kids die in their thousands every day but you aren't invested in that. No one is.

This is meant to break the Trump ranks. Until he really jumps the shark, I'm still collecting tickets on the train for the man.

Hold the line.

Post: #61744

Generally I'm anti-war, but I don't care if we bomb a Syrian air base or not, or wipe Syria off the map with bombs, or the entire Middle East for that matter. In fact, I could root for the latter.

We're making a mountain out of a molehill.

Stuff like this Syria-bombing-thing is annoying because it's distracting Trump and his supporters from a much more important issue, focusing on getting rid of the pestilence that are illegal immigrants (and ideally their anchor spawn, as well) and preventing more illegals and low-skilled immigrants from entering.

Demographics is destiny.

No American on this forum 10, 20, 30 years from now will care about some bombing in Syria ("which one? there's just so many of them" [channeling Sunny]) that took place in 2017.

But we and our future children would certainly feel the brunt of failing to curtail the illegal immigrant pestilence in the 2010s to 2020s: permanent entrenchment of the fascist left, continual expansion of the welfare state, public schools (paid for by our growing taxes) being increasingly flooded by low-skilled and illegal immigrant spawn and the unsurprising pathologies that result, affirmative action policies for higher education and white-collar jobs growing increasingly cosmic and comical.

This already sounds like the current state of affairs, but up to eleven (!!!111). A Trump win in 2016 at least stopped the permanent entrenchment of the fascist left.. or at least for now.

We're fighting at the brink of a demographic tipping point. Let's not get our panties in a twist about some airstrike.

Instead of acting like their pussies just got grabbed and panicking, Trump supporters should be putting increasing pressure on and giving increasing support to Trump in delivering (and/or continuing to deliver) on demographic issues instead of letting himself get distracted by dumb shit like Syria.

Post: #61745

(04-07-2017 03:11 PM)MMX2010 Wrote:  Wanting something that has never happened in modern human history, which involves roughly 6.9 billion people dramatically changing their social and political viewpoints, is utopian by definition.

Then why are the two major US political parties always trying to impose their ideologies upon everyone else? At least libertarians don't maim, kill, burn and destroy when expressing our political views. We simply try to use reason. And I have come to the conclusion that most of those 7 billion people are incapable of rational thought.

So that being the case, if everyone will just stay out of my yard and out of my wallet, we'll get along.

Post: #61746

(04-07-2017 03:17 PM)Kabal Wrote:  Instead of acting like their pussies just got grabbed and panicking, Trump supporters should be putting increasing pressure on and giving increasing support to Trump in delivering (and/or continuing to deliver) on demographic issues instead of letting himself get distracted by dumb shit like Syria.

I think this is exactly why so many Trump supporters have their knickers in a twist. He promised us "America First." How the fuck can we make America first if we continue burning our wealth in that shithole desert over primitive religious wars that will always happen whether we throw cash and bombs at the problem or not? Is Trump going to make the Middle East Great Again or MAGA? Let those zealots kill one another.

Bring our troops home. Put them on our borders. America First.

Post: #61747

As expected more details emerging. That one 7yo Syrian girl always promoting for WWIII and US intervention against Assad has a terrorist father (as if she can tweet in perfect English at that age).

Ah wonderful - Arabs have given Trump an honorary Arabic name - Abu Ivanka al-Amerki


And they are meming him.

The doctor who confirmed the gas attack is interviewed by someone who is on the US drone kill list.

Also on the doctor who confirmed the Syarian gas attack:



The doctor who is the lead source of the stunt was already on trial for terror offences.

Well well well...... this is not 1991 and everyone believes that Kuwaiti incubator babies are being thrown out of the windows by Iraqi soldiers. Psyops blow up in your face much faster at least for a large part of the population due to the internet.

Post: #61748

Trump has been president for 77 days - and all 77 days being sabotaged and obstructed by both his own party and the Left - and people are saying they "don't see light at the end of the tunnel" and that "Trump hasn't accomplished his domestic agenda"

The Democrats plan could not be working more perfectly at the moment.

Make the left believe he's Hitler, a Russian agent, and deporting every brown person and killing every black person. Make the Right believe he's not fulfilling his promises (in 77 fucking days mind you) - when actually IS doing so - all the while doing everything possible to make sure he cannot.

Guiz I saw a Mexican boy on my block the other day, Trump must be cucking on immigration. Guiz Trump didn't go to the IRS and unilaterally change the tax code yet. Guiz why can't Trump just make new laws he controls the congress rite? Guiz it has been 77 days and all presidents before did everything in 60 days, by themselves, IIRC. Guiz there is no light at the end of the tunnel cuz Trump didn't call Berkely rioters faggots and scumbags and charge all with federal crimes, his condemnation was too generally.

And Trump isn't intelligent because he doesn't spend his days reading and citing 14th Century Greek war philosophy? Ok.

He bombed some scumbags country that has been bombed nearly every week by us for 4 years, and he hasn't unilaterally changed the USA in 77 days while being attacked on all sides. What a failure!

Post: #61749

Abu Ivanka al-Amerki...I ain't gonna lie, I'm impressed. Let's hope Trump doesn't live up to that name, but if he does then damn, that's both funny and incisive.

Post: #61750

(04-07-2017 03:01 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Cernovich has repeatedly said on his periscope yesterday that his military sources say all forces are being mobilized and prepared for invasion and war.

If Mike is right about this, then he is pretty much the best news source in America.

Is it a full-on regiment mobilisation or just those special assets we seem to be doing these days.

If its the former I expect an absolute shit show and anyone who isn't questioning this will need to start asking soon.