(03-04-2016 02:07 PM)iop890 Wrote:  Michigan rally happening now:

I spent a summer living in Cadillac back in my college days.

That is a pretty good sized crowd for a rally in a 10k person town in the middle of nowhere MI. Those people were there for over a hour before Trump took the stage. That is a committed following.

I wonder if he ate breakfast at the Frosty Cup.

Another protester gets booted out around min 139, "Get him out of here, get him out!". I wonder if some of these protesters are Trump plants, just to get the crowd riled up. Us vs them. It is working.

(03-04-2016 03:06 PM)Libertas Wrote:  http://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/...um=twitter

Prominent civil rights guy endorses Trump.

The biggest takeaway here is Mississippi's first black mayor, elected in 1969, hasn't "seen any proof of [Trump] being racist".

In other words, this is a guy who's seen real, brutal racism firsthand and doesn't buy into the bullshit "racist" narrative being pushed today.

Of course, the article tries to discredit him multiple times just within the span of a dozen paragraphs. It doesn't matter that he's a civil rights hero, only that he supports Trump, which makes him the enemy.

(03-04-2016 04:25 PM)Latinopan Wrote:  

NUCLEAR GIF ALERT

Zeitgenosse,

Samseau can explain the technical details far better than I can, (and please give him +1 rep after he does so), but Trump knows how the Chinese government deliberately devalues it's currency, so that everyone (including Trump) can pay artificially low wages to Chinese workers. This leads everyone to pay Americans artificially low wages for the jobs we do, as well.

(03-04-2016 04:21 PM)MMX2010 Wrote:  Ghost Tiger, sorry. I took your point as an independent idea, rather than as one piece of a conversation. I'll read better next time.

See that you do. Just kidding. No worries. Cheers.

(03-04-2016 04:29 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(03-04-2016 04:26 PM)zeitgenosse Wrote:  

(03-04-2016 03:56 PM)MMX2010 Wrote:  ... he's trying to bring technological manufacturing jobs back to America.

A very goog idea, but do you think that works. Will American people do the hard work Chinese slaves are doing for very small money for us western decadent people?

Yes, because the companies will be forced to pay more. Liberals will weep when they have to pay more for iPhones and ethnic food. Too fucking bad.

The "iPhones will cost more" argument is such bullshit to begin with.

This is an older article, but it shows exactly what a fraud that claim is.

http://theweek.com/articles/477892/what-...by-numbers

Quote:$12.50 to $30
Approximate cost of labor for a single iPhone

$199
Starting retail price for the iPhone 4S

$650
Approximate revenue each iPhone generates for Apple, according to Horace Dediu at Asymco

37 million
iPhones sold in the last quarter of 2011

They're making roughly $600 per unit and moving 37 million unites per quarter.

God forbid they have to pay a living wage and cut their profit margins from 1,000% down to a mere 300%.

(03-04-2016 02:12 PM)Blaster Wrote:  

(03-04-2016 01:22 AM)Liberty Sea Wrote:  

There's still something unsettling about Hillary's eyes, in my opinion.

It's the lack of a soul.

I'm surprised nobody has yet posted in here the newest attack from Vox on Donald Trump and his supporters. Has everyone seen that the reason Trump is becoming so popular is apparently due to a rise of authoritarianism in America? All my liberal Facebook friends have been smugly spam posting these 2 articles constantly for the past few days:

http://www.vox.com/2016/3/1/11127424/tru...itarianism
http://www.vox.com/2016/2/23/11099644/tr...itarianism

I was coming here to post the links and ask for help to rebut this "Trump-authoritarianism" connection, but what Fast Eddie and Liberty Sea said earlier actually makes a great response:

(03-04-2016 07:48 AM)Liberty Sea Wrote:  

(03-04-2016 07:01 AM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  Didn't watch the debate, read the thread.

Don't give a single flying fuck about Trump University or Trump's supposed level of honesty. We're not electing a church deacon here. On a related topic, what's this obsession with Ron Paul and libertarianism? Libertarianism is for Cucks. A nation that follows unadultered libertarian ideology will literally find its men laying on the floor bleeding out while their women are fucked by invaders a few feet away. Not everyone in the world is a libertarian, and as a result those who are will soon enough find themselves as slaves of those who are not. You can't have a country run under libertarian ideology, the very concept of 'nation' is anathema to libertarianism.

A purely philosophical commitment to liberty is inane.
Expecting the majority of people to operate as rational-minded individualists is inane.
They are not. Tribalism is one of our deepest instincts. It's not going to go away. That's the way we have evolved. It is also necessary for social cohesion. The nation, the community, the family is held together by tribalistic sentiment, not logical consideration. Nationalism, populism, conservative emphasis on family, and organized religion are derived from it.


Libertarianism is for autistic people. It cannot facilitate social cohesion. Liberalism has managed to be more socially dominant than libertarianism because it also relies on a certain sort of twisted tribalism, although it is also undoing traditional cohesion and will soon destroy itself. A mixture of conservatism and populist-nationalism is best for preserving social cohesion.

Trump is thriving in the first place because he is tapping into this tribalistic instinct in the people in the form of nationalism and populism, giving it voice and legitimacy. He is articulating what ordinary people deeply feel but are afraid of expressing due to the repression of political correctness: a need for national identity, to belong to national greatness. This is what gives him the appearance of truthfulness, as people say of him: 'he tells it like it is', i.e he says what I'm thinking.
Thinking that his success is due to an appeal to truth and reason, that grassroot people are supporting him out of their pure love for unadulterated truth, liberty, unbiased justice and rational consideration is delusional. A man who thinks this cannot be called red pill. Libertarianism is not red pill.

He is doing what needs to be done. It's the only way to get the necessary things done. And we need to get behind him more than ever.

Shordax,

I shredded someone who posted that article.

I opened with, "Standard liberal article. Don't discuss what Trump's policies are; instead discuss how he and his supporters are intellectually and psychologically broken."

You can then add (or end) with, "Trump's critics say he is stupid and psychologically damaged. Trump routinely tells his countrymen that he loves them, and wants to make turn better. Ironically, Trump's critics seem legitimately shocked that Trump is popular. Not ironically shocked, but legitimately shocked. "

(03-04-2016 04:48 PM)Enigma Wrote:  

(03-04-2016 04:29 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(03-04-2016 04:26 PM)zeitgenosse Wrote:  [quote='MMX2010' pid='1239304' dateline='1457124978']
... he's trying to bring technological manufacturing jobs back to America.

A very goog idea, but do you think that works. Will American people do the hard work Chinese slaves are doing for very small money for us western decadent people?

The companies will be forced to pay more. Liberals will weep when they have to pay more for iPhones and ethnic food. Too fucking bad.

Nobody can pay these prices ... thank you enigma ...

It will be impossible to recover economy. US is bankrupt! So, although I like Trump very much, it CAN T be true, what he is promising. It s impossible

What Trump is missing at CPAC:

   

Backpfeifengesicht

(03-04-2016 04:48 PM)Enigma Wrote:  

(03-04-2016 04:29 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(03-04-2016 04:26 PM)zeitgenosse Wrote:  

(03-04-2016 03:56 PM)MMX2010 Wrote:  ... he's trying to bring technological manufacturing jobs back to America.

A very goog idea, but do you think that works. Will American people do the hard work Chinese slaves are doing for very small money for us western decadent people?

Yes, because the companies will be forced to pay more. Liberals will weep when they have to pay more for iPhones and ethnic food. Too fucking bad.

The "iPhones will cost more" argument is such bullshit to begin with.

This is an older article, but it shows exactly what a fraud that claim is.

They're making roughly $600 per unit and moving 37 million unites per quarter.

God forbid they have to pay a living wage and cut their profit margins from 1,000% down to a mere 300%.

That lovely math doesn't refute Samseau's argument though. It just means that, after being forced to pay more for labour by market forces launched by Trump's policies, Apple wouldn't actually need to raise prices to stay profitable. But, in assuming that they won't CHOOSE to raise prices in the event of increased labour costs, you are underestimating their greed. They will initially attempt to pass increased costs on to their customers. In the long term, competition from Android-based phones will then compel them to face market reality and bring prices back down. The free market is a wonderful thing.

Two thirds of iphones are sold outside the USA.

Which of these two are more plausible:
1. Apple simply does not sell iphones in the USA. Instead of making instead of $11.1B profit (Q4 2015) it makes $7.4B profit.
2. Apple moves its manufacturing to the USA. Labor prices alone are estimated at $4B. Corporate taxes go from their current 5% to 35%. Instead of making of $11.1B profit (Q4 2015) it makes $5B profit.

By these numbers I don't see AAPL moving manufacturing to the US. Perhaps if they were required to do so in order to stay in SV. But that might well backfire and start another SV in china, much like the Nazi's requirements for German academics rocketed the USA from an intellectual backwater to the moon.

(03-04-2016 04:51 PM)Shrodax Wrote:  I'm surprised nobody has yet posted in here the newest attack from Vox on Donald Trump and his supporters. Has everyone seen that the reason Trump is becoming so popular is apparently due to a rise of authoritarianism in America? All my liberal Facebook friends have been smugly spam posting these 2 articles constantly for the past few days:

http://www.vox.com/2016/3/1/11127424/tru...itarianism
http://www.vox.com/2016/2/23/11099644/tr...itarianism

This is an objectively true statement, but for the exact opposite reason outlets like Vox are trying to imply. Trump is doing so well because the only candidate who dares to go against the most authoritarian doctrine of our age: political correctness.

You can guarantee that the very people who write articles like these would gleefully have someone fired for expressing the wrong opinions, using the wrong word (or "tone"), supporting the wrong party, not deferring to someone less 'privileged' than them in a workplace dispute, and so on - the absolute epitome of the authoritarian mindset. Yet through linguistic sleight of hand, nothing they do can ever be wrong, but merely disagreeing with them is an act of violence.

What this means is that:

• Deporting people who are contravening the laws of your nation is a violent act, and the hallmark of authoritarianism.
• Destroying someone's life for having different views is the height of tolerance.
  

Never debate with these people. They are not authentic agents, and any reasonable dialogue will be set up to shift the Overton window further in their direction. The only strategy that has been shown to work is the Roosh / Trump route: never apologise, never defend, only attack and reframe, and behave as if you live in a world where political correctness is a laughable anachronism that should be consigned to the runnels annals of history. And Donald Trump's ascent might mean that it soon will be.

These sad fucks are quaking in their boots at the thought of being forced to give back the English language, one word at a time.

(03-04-2016 05:10 PM)zeitgenosse Wrote:  

(03-04-2016 04:48 PM)Enigma Wrote:  

(03-04-2016 04:29 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(03-04-2016 04:26 PM)zeitgenosse Wrote:  [quote='MMX2010' pid='1239304' dateline='1457124978']
... he's trying to bring technological manufacturing jobs back to America.

A very goog idea, but do you think that works. Will American people do the hard work Chinese slaves are doing for very small money for us western decadent people?

The companies will be forced to pay more. Liberals will weep when they have to pay more for iPhones and ethnic food. Too fucking bad.

Nobody can pay these prices ... thank you enigma ...

It will be impossible to recover economy. US is bankrupt! So, although I like Trump very much, it CAN T be true, what he is promising. It s impossible

America has done a lot of "impossible" things in her history bro.

They said it was "impossible" for America to defeat the British in the War of Independence. Then America won.

They said it was "impossible" for America to end slavery. Then America fought a civil war over it, and ended slavery. America won.

They said it was "impossible" for America to recover from the Great Depression and all the debt incurred from World War II. Then innovation in auto-manufacturing and Texas oil exploration boomed, and America won.

They said it was "impossible" for America to recover from the energy crisis of the 1970's and the fierce competition from the Japanese in the auto-manufacturing sector. Then America elected Ronald Reagan and Silicon Valley innovation boomed, and America won.

Now you're saying it's "impossible" for America to elect Trump and recover from the current economic crisis. Yeah, yeah buddy. America's heard that tune before, and she ain't getting the memo that it's all over. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor??!!!!





That sensation you're feeling... is the Trumpening. God bless America.

Quote:$12.50 to $30
Approximate cost of labor for a single iPhone

$199
Starting retail price for the iPhone 4S

$650
Approximate revenue each iPhone generates for Apple, according to Horace Dediu at Asymco

37 million
iPhones sold in the last quarter of 2011

This is misleading. It does not include NRE, materials, marketing, or overhead costs. Revenue is not profit. I'm sure Apple makes a good margin on iPhones, but it's not as described here.

(03-04-2016 05:23 PM)storm Wrote:  By these numbers I don't see AAPL moving manufacturing to the US. Perhaps if they were required to do so in order to stay in SV. But that might well backfire and start another SV in china, much like the Nazi's requirements for German academics rocketed the USA from an intellectual backwater to the moon.

There will NEVER be a Silicon Valley in China. China doesn't innovate. China only steals trade secrets, just like the Soviets did during the Cold War. Communism PREVENTS innovation. History has proven this. It is a fact now, and it is indisputable.

Midjack those prices are for Chinese made components.

If we only bring assembly back to the US we have won the battle but lost the war.

So it turns out Coach Ditka has some splainin' to do! Apparently he could have saved America from the terrible virus Obola...

Quote:Ditka, 76, has backed Republican candidates in the past, including George H.W. Bush and Illinois Governor Bruce Rauner. He has also said one of his biggest regrets was not running for the Illinois Senate in 2004, a seat which Obama won that eventually led to the Democrat’s 2008 presidential victory.

http://wgntv.com/2016/03/04/mike-ditka-b...or-trump/#

Coach Ditka has endeavoured to redeem himself however...

Quote:“The people that like him, (it’s) because he (Trump) says things that resonate what people think,” Ditka said. “Whether you like it or not, that’s the way people think at times.”

Said Ditka, “If I were to vote tomorrow, I’d probably vote for Trump.”

Stumping for Trump goes a long way in my books men... I say we forgive him.

Besides, he works at ESPN with badass trolls like Curt Schilling...

Quote:Ditka is not the only ESPN figure causing a stir for his political remarks; recently Curt Schilling said Hillary Clinton “should be buried under a jail” for her alleged handling of classified information.

And that's pretty fucking awesome if you ask me. And both Ditka and Schilling don't give a flying fuck about the ESPN HR department apparently...

Quote:Both Schilling’s and Ditka’s comments came after the network reportedly sent out a memo to on-air talent asking them to steer clear of “editorializing politics” during the 2016 campaign.

Coach Ditka said to the carousel-riding whore in HR that she could take her lttle memo, shine it up reeeeeeeeeal nice, turn that sumbitch sideways... and stick it straight up - HER CANDY ASS!!!!!

(03-04-2016 05:23 PM)storm Wrote:  Two thirds of iphones are sold outside the USA.

Which of these two are more plausible:
1. Apple simply does not sell iphones in the USA. Instead of making instead of $11.1B profit (Q4 2015) it makes $7.4B profit.
2. Apple moves its manufacturing to the USA. Labor prices alone are estimated at $4B. Corporate taxes go from their current 5% to 35%. Instead of making of $11.1B profit (Q4 2015) it makes $5B profit.

By these numbers I don't see AAPL moving manufacturing to the US. Perhaps if they were required to do so in order to stay in SV. But that might well backfire and start another SV in china, much like the Nazi's requirements for German academics rocketed the USA from an intellectual backwater to the moon.

Women outside the US won't buy a product that big city American women don't use.
You fail to see the snob appeal here. Apple is palm trees, shiny white cars and open plan condos.
Europe might still buy, but the Chinese market would completely tank.

(03-04-2016 05:17 PM)Ghost Tiger Wrote:  

(03-04-2016 04:48 PM)Enigma Wrote:  

(03-04-2016 04:29 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(03-04-2016 04:26 PM)zeitgenosse Wrote:  

(03-04-2016 03:56 PM)MMX2010 Wrote:  ... he's trying to bring technological manufacturing jobs back to America.

A very goog idea, but do you think that works. Will American people do the hard work Chinese slaves are doing for very small money for us western decadent people?

Yes, because the companies will be forced to pay more. Liberals will weep when they have to pay more for iPhones and ethnic food. Too fucking bad.

The "iPhones will cost more" argument is such bullshit to begin with.

This is an older article, but it shows exactly what a fraud that claim is.

They're making roughly $600 per unit and moving 37 million unites per quarter.

God forbid they have to pay a living wage and cut their profit margins from 1,000% down to a mere 300%.

That lovely math doesn't refute Samseau's argument though. It just means that, after being forced to pay more for labour by market forces launched by Trump's policies, Apple wouldn't actually need to raise prices to stay profitable. But, in assuming that they won't CHOOSE to raise prices in the event of increased labour costs, you are underestimating their greed. They will initially attempt to pass increased costs on to their customers. In the long term, competition from Android-based phones will then compel them to face market reality and bring prices back down. The free market is a wonderful thing.

The math doesn't refute Samseau's argument because I wasn't trying to refute Samseau's argument

In fact, I was supporting his overall point, which is that company's can still survive without using slave labor.

I just went and early voted at a local precinct near my office while on my lunch break. NO lines at all, it took less than 5 minutes. And that's one more vote for the good guys

Reminder, early voting can be done at many different locations in your district, not just the precinct you're assigned to normally. So it could actually save you a lot of time and effort to get it done now, and not wait for election day when the lines could be hours long.

Get out and vote early so there is less room for the voting day shenanigans and fraud that we have seen in many different states so far!

I made a call to Trumps campaign today. I suggested he hammer down on Cruz and defend himself against the allegation that he isn't a conservative. I also said he should tell his voters to record their votes in the ballot with their phones.

Trump's wall reminds me of Napoleon's continental system.

I read in Napoleon's biography that ultimately the CS had the effect of increasing industrialization in France. However I am not able to find any sources for it. Wikipedia claims the opposite, citing rope sales.

Can someone chime in? Did the CS help French industry?

Foreign diplomats voicing alarm to U.S. officials about Trump

Quote:Foreign diplomats are expressing alarm to U.S. government officials about what they say are inflammatory and insulting public statements by Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump, according to senior U.S. officials.

Officials from Europe, the Middle East, Latin America and Asia have complained in recent private conversations, mostly about the xenophobic nature of Trump's statements, said three U.S. officials, who all declined to be identified.

"As the (Trump) rhetoric has continued, and in some cases amped up, so, too, have concerns by certain leaders around the world," said one of the officials.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-el...EC37O1O8W3