(05-18-2019 08:04 AM)felix_vagabondo Wrote:  Israel is actually a pretty nationalistic, conservative country, so Trump is their natural ally. Israel is Red Pilled, actually--the people themselves, not necessarily the money pockets that bankroll the military operation. People are fiercely bitter towards Arabs, and no matter how many bad news stories they get, you know they're not going to stop blockading the shit out of Gaza until that place surrenders unconditionally. They're attempting to reinforce traditional gender norms in many cases. You could see Obama pulling away from Israel at the end of his Administration--choosing not to veto a UN resolution condemning Israeli settlements. What an ambitious nation, the regular citizens themselves, living and fighting to survive in that little corner of the world. Plus those guys invented everything from the microwave to the semiconductor... definitely no neckbeards.

I don't think the inventor of the microwave oven was Jewish. Percy Spencer.

what exactly is "the semiconductor"?

Where does this ridiculous misinformation come from? Israel invented semiconductors and microwaves? Who believes this?

The first effective semiconductor material was discovered by a German named Karl Braun in the 1800s.

The first transistor came from Bell Labs in the United States mid-20th century. The inventors were named: William Shockley, John Bardeen, and Walter Brattain.

Most noteworthy microwave breakthroughs have occurred in United States, the first useful microwave magnetron was invented in the UK, and the microwave oven was invented by an American named Percy Spencer.

(05-18-2019 02:05 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  

(05-18-2019 08:04 AM)felix_vagabondo Wrote:  Israel is actually a pretty nationalistic, conservative country, so Trump is their natural ally. Israel is Red Pilled, actually--the people themselves, not necessarily the money pockets that bankroll the military operation. People are fiercely bitter towards Arabs, and no matter how many bad news stories they get, you know they're not going to stop blockading the shit out of Gaza until that place surrenders unconditionally. They're attempting to reinforce traditional gender norms in many cases. You could see Obama pulling away from Israel at the end of his Administration--choosing not to veto a UN resolution condemning Israeli settlements. What an ambitious nation, the regular citizens themselves, living and fighting to survive in that little corner of the world. Plus those guys invented everything from the microwave to the semiconductor... definitely no neckbeards.

Classic case of "for thee but not for me".

(05-18-2019 02:05 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  Classic case of "for thee but not for me".

I'm not sure I follow. Care to elaborate?

(05-18-2019 03:46 PM)MidJack Wrote:  Where does this ridiculous misinformation come from? Israel invented semiconductors and microwaves? Who believes this?

Damn, You got me!

Focusing on an incidental error that's only partially relevant to a much larger point that you choose to ignore... There's a name for that.

(05-18-2019 06:55 PM)felix_vagabondo Wrote:  

(05-18-2019 02:05 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  Classic case of "for thee but not for me".

I'm not sure I follow. Care to elaborate?

Ethno-state with strong borders for Israel, open borders for the goys. That more or less sums it up.

Whether the majority of Israelis are conservative has no bearing on what their elite is doing - or even average voting patterns.

For example - Muslims in the West vote predominantly far-left not because they like tranny and LGBT rights, but because those parties are the most radical in terms of open immigration, Islamophobia-statements and free welfare. There are even plenty of reports of Turks voting for far-left in Europe while doing the opposite in Turkey - there suddenly being all conservative.

With Jewish upper-tier leadership it's even more split, because they support strong nationalism, Zionism, strong ethnic alliences while claiming that when Americans do it, that this is racism or xenophobia.

(05-18-2019 07:51 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  [...] Muslims in the West vote predominantly far-left [...] because those parties are the most radical in terms of open immigration [...] while doing the opposite [in their home countries] - there suddenly being all conservative

Have you considered the possibility that elections in non-Western countries are often rigged by their corrupt, authoritarian governments?

And what about Muslims that emigrate from such nations because they happen to have a Leftist orientation but are afraid or unable to vote for a candidate that suits their ideology?

(05-18-2019 07:51 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  With Jewish upper-tier leadership it's even more split, because they support strong nationalism, Zionism, strong ethnic alliences while claiming that when Americans do it, that this is racism or xenophobia.

The schism in Judaism is interesting. I've seen speculation to the effect that the Reform sect is a tool for Globalists to disseminate[/quote] their agenda to the western SJW movement, that the Reform sect is inherently anti-Zionist, since Zionism is a nationalistic movement.

Also, just to tip my hand a little bit...

(05-18-2019 07:51 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  Ethno-state with strong borders for Israel, open borders for the goys.

That would make sense, since Israel is in essence an ethno-theocracy, whereas the United States is a liberal democracy.

The US is the country with a huge statue by its main harbor inscribed with

Quote:Give me your [...] homeless [...]

Also their border is a lot smaller and thus less difficult to fortify.

It's like a shill was frozen in 2016 and was thawed out after his script and talking points had been thoroughly wrecked.

Statue of liberty. Lol. Perverted with that "tired, huddled masses" crap by (((surprise, surprise))).

Lift your game.

Felix you're retarded.

(05-18-2019 08:04 AM)felix_vagabondo Wrote:  

(03-22-2019 03:42 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  [...] "Israel gets what it wants and you get jack" is a hard pill to swallow.

Evangelical Christians believe that the book of Revelations is literally true--that the re-constitution of the Jewish temple in Jerusalem will bring about the End Times and the Second Coming of Christ, when all of the evildoers will be cast into a pit of fire.

So what if a few Globalist-Zionist-Luciferians get to enjoy a short regime of power right before the whole thing switches into apocalypse mode?

The Second Coming of Christ is gonna be really awesome, right? All those sinners getting divinely fucked?

And the Zionists are happy to take the Evangelical support, cause they themselves don't believe that Revelations is really going to happen. They're like "yeah, you hate us, but we'll take your cash so that we can prop up our regime. And by the way, the Messiah hasn't even come once and you impatient bastards are already hounding us for the second act.

It's like watching a game of poker, and the bets are getting cast, and all these mean bastards are trying to play each other, but maybe nobodys hand is worth shit.

Israel is actually a pretty nationalistic, conservative country, so Trump is their natural ally. Israel is Red Pilled, actually--the people themselves, not necessarily the money pockets that bankroll the military operation. People are fiercely bitter towards Arabs, and no matter how many bad news stories they get, you know they're not going to stop blockading the shit out of Gaza until that place surrenders unconditionally. They're attempting to reinforce traditional gender norms in many cases. You could see Obama pulling away from Israel at the end of his Administration--choosing not to veto a UN resolution condemning Israeli settlements. What an ambitious nation, the regular citizens themselves, living and fighting to survive in that little corner of the world. Plus those guys invented everything from the microwave to the semiconductor... definitely no neckbeards.

It seems like if the Globalists wanted a one world government, it wouldn't make much sense to encourage people to start speaking a random language that had been dead for like a thousand years--they'd want everybody on the same language, so we could all hear the leader issue his marching orders in the same tongue.

But, on the other hand, it makes for a hell of a long war, and somebody's gotta pay for that. It's nice work if you can get it.

When women are no longer subject to the draft would be a definite sign of that happening in a major way.

(05-18-2019 07:51 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  

(05-18-2019 06:55 PM)felix_vagabondo Wrote:  

(05-18-2019 02:05 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  Classic case of "for thee but not for me".

I'm not sure I follow. Care to elaborate?

Ethno-state with strong borders for Israel, open borders for the goys. That more or less sums it up.

Whether the majority of Israelis are conservative has no bearing on what their elite is doing - or even average voting patterns.

For example - Muslims in the West vote predominantly far-left not because they like tranny and LGBT rights, but because those parties are the most radical in terms of open immigration, Islamophobia-statements and free welfare. There are even plenty of reports of Turks voting for far-left in Europe while doing the opposite in Turkey - there suddenly being all conservative.

With Jewish upper-tier leadership it's even more split, because they support strong nationalism, Zionism, strong ethnic alliences while claiming that when Americans do it, that this is racism or xenophobia.

The verbal gymnastics this jew engages in:

(05-19-2019 04:29 AM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  

(05-18-2019 07:51 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  

(05-18-2019 06:55 PM)felix_vagabondo Wrote:  

(05-18-2019 02:05 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  Classic case of "for thee but not for me".

Israel is a strange country. At the same time they conscript women, they require citizens to purchase a religion that does not involve female bat mitzvah initiates in the same public recitation of scriptures that males recite in their bar mitzvahs. At the same time that they lead the capitalist global market as an exporter of information, they embody a society governed by ancient religious principles. At the same time as they are allegedly wrapped up in a globalist conspiracy, they embody a nationalistic civil society with roots in traditional culture. On the other hand, the US was predicated on the Enlightenment--all men are created equal, etc., etc. It is this set of values--free enterprise, free speech, religious tolerance, that defined the US political tradition. The authors of our Constitution made compromises to involve the slave-holding southern states, but the intervening decades have been defined by eliminating prejudice in the legal system and in the marketplace.

Much more than an ethnic or religious identity, the US is defined by a shared set of values. You can argue that this is not the case, or that this nation's Classical Liberal identity is not sufficient for a nation to weather the extreme hardships of confrontation and calamity. I would argue that the sense of loyalty to one's complexion (conceived as a social unit) or to one's language or religion, offers no particular advantage versus a more abstract Enlightenment ideology, when it comes to forming the substance of a nation, the common thread that holds us together and inspires us to build a common society.

Anonymous Conservative points out big wigs at Amazon have sold hundreds of thousands worth of their stock in the past couple days:

https://www.secform4.com/insider-trading/1018724.htm

(05-18-2019 11:03 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  [...] his script and talking points had been thoroughly wrecked.

I haven't seen you do that to my "talking points", LDN

But there's tens of thousands of posts on this platform.

And I've only been Red Pilled for about 7 months, so I haven't had time to read it all.

Maybe I missed something. I'll keep hitting the search function.

Feel free to provide a substantive argument anytime, instead of this ad hominem bullshit and other logical fallacies.

I came out of the sterilized echo chambers of SJW facebook into this realm because I was looking for answers, not to witness some lame dominance posturing.

(05-18-2019 11:03 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Statue of liberty. Lol. Perverted with that "tired, huddled masses" crap by (((surprise, surprise))).

How far back is the conspiracy alleged to go? Would you say Jesus of Nazareth himself was part of it, who said:

Quote:[...] when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, and the blind. And you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you, for you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous.

Luke 14:12-14

Perhaps Immanuel Kant was an Illuminati "shill" when he published:

Quote:So act as to treat humanity, whether in your own person or in another, always as an end, and never as only a means.

There is a conceptual strain that emerges in the Judeo-Christian tradition, which postulates that human life, or the life of persons is inherently valuable. That value is not fully accounted for in Pragmatism, nor in realism about nations and borders. It is an essentially religious concept, and it forms something like a cultural nucleus for the contemporary Left.

(05-18-2019 08:53 AM)felix_vagabondo Wrote:  

(05-15-2019 05:38 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  [...]a state or group of states would sue for secession and everyone in them when the curtains came down would be part of that new country[...]

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but the United States cannot be separated with a lawsuit.

This ain't the EU here boys. There's no Article 50 to trigger after a simple popular referendum.

The US is a sovereign entity.

It's guns or you're staying in the Union.

And we already saw that movie.

I don't get why a guy who says he lives in outback Australia so concerned about the USA and is constantly shilling for US ethnostate secessions.

Australia is 85% white, more like 98% outside a couple of cities.

If I lived in Australia, I wouldn't be concerned about much - it's a great country with a great standard of living.

But I'd be most concerned with my children or grandchildren dying in the PLA invasion of the Sunshine Coast in 2035 and my great-granddaughters ending up as exotic pieces in Beijing brothels in 50 years.

(05-19-2019 07:32 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  [...] I'd be most concerned with my children or grandchildren dying in the PLA invasion of the Sunshine Coast in 2035 and my great-granddaughters ending up as exotic pieces in Beijing brothels in 50 years.

PLA--that's the Chinese army. They're big. Really big. They will, in certain new regions assert naval superiority over the US/Australian alliance, which means they might theoretically be able to transport their troops on to our shores. Such a war would be inconceivably grisly.

I speculate that the Chinese want to keep the US more or less intact, so that they can develop into a mature superpower, with us playing a similar role to the one Britain played after the US rose to power in the 40s. If this is true, then we stand to benefit immensely from the expansion of Chinese capability, much as the rest of the world has benefited from America's leadership in the market. Lord only knows what these nations can achieve together if they create a peaceful pathway for China's ascent. The banning of Huawei phones in the US is unfortunate. The US has invested so much in building a functional global market precisely because we wanted to benefit from the advantages in efficiency and productivity that other nations can offer us. We have to support their growth and development, so that we become symbiotic with them. The hegemon will let us keep our country if it serves their interest, and I think the US can provide China a valuable service, even after all our tangible industries are shuttered. And that is our educational, management, technical and intellectual talents, which are still cutting-edge, and the pioneer spirit, which guides our entrepreneurs into new, unforseen ventures.

So that's my little globalist soapbox speech.

But really, the alternative is pretty ugly. The US and China want to be friends, but the US really needs it, more so than China.

That doesn't mean we should stop trying to out-compete them in the market, and out-gun them in regards to military potential. It's all in the game. But it's about playing clean, so that there aren't any hard feelings that come back to haunt us.

(05-18-2019 08:22 PM)felix_vagabondo Wrote:  The US is the country with a huge statue by its main harbor inscribed with

Quote:Give me your [...] homeless [...]

Since when are scribbles on tourist attractions considered laws?

(05-19-2019 04:29 AM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  The verbal gymnastics this jew engages in:

The short clip is hilarious indeed.

Even the argument of "Israel is too small to let in immigrants" - it's bullshit since the Jewish lobbies want much smaller countries in Europe flooded with incompatible immigrants too. So it's fine if Dutch, Belgians and Swedes get wiped out eh?

With the US it will just take longer, but it's already well underway. As Roosh said it - looking at the demographics among under 5-year-olds it's actually over. The US IS ALREADY DESTINED TO BECOME BRAZIL. And something similar will happen to most Western countries.

Countries like Australia will just fall slower with the only saving grace being a Chinese takeover - that might let the place stay more livable than what will transpire in the US, Sweden, Netherlands, France.

This ethnic awareness that is still criticized will become ever more apparent. It's not based on "having been mobbed by someone of color" or "having had a bad experience with a Muslim" or other such crap. It's pure common sense based on what can be observed now, what is visible in the statistics and what will become worse in the future.

And to refer to the Muslim immigrants in the West as more liberal and thus voting left - that is insane. That is not even backed by anything. Yes - there are liberal Muslims, but let me tell you - most of the so-called liberal Muslims who often leave Islam sooner or later, they stay somewhat conservative or Red Pill. I know plenty of Iranian converts who left Islam and they would be still qualified as conservative - the Hijab is gone, but the values remain. Even the mainstream admits that most Muslims in Europe vote far left while voting sometimes most radical Islamic back at home. A good example are the millions of Turks in Germany who vote for Merkel or even the more radical Greens while giving Erdogan the vote in Turkey. This is common.
The ex-Muslims I know are usually more akin to what we are saying here and they are often opposed to mass-migration as one Arab I met said: "Don't trust Arabs!"

(05-19-2019 09:02 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  

(05-19-2019 04:29 AM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  The verbal gymnastics this jew engages in:

The short clip is hilarious indeed.

Even the argument of "Israel is too small to let in immigrants" - it's bullshit since the Jewish lobbies want much smaller countries in Europe flooded with incompatible immigrants too. So it's fine if Dutch, Belgians and Swedes get wiped out eh?

With the US it will just take longer, but it's already well underway. As Roosh said it - looking at the demographics among under 5-year-olds it's actually over. The US IS ALREADY DESTINED TO BECOME BRAZIL. And something similar will happen to most Western countries.

Countries like Australia will just fall slower with the only saving grace being a Chinese takeover - that might let the place stay more livable than what will transpire in the US, Sweden, Netherlands, France.

...

This is why it's important to break the domination of the globojewish cartels flooding our respective nations while there's still something to save.

There are no longer any democratic solutions for many nations but that doesn't mean there's no solutions at all.

"Judeo-Christian" shills like felix and civic nationalist boomercons like SP5 have no path forward except to worship their dead gods of democracy and blather about "shared values" that oddly seem to be shared among heritage Westerners and almost nobody else.

While we all come from different nations and frankly from parts of our respective nations that are now almost nations unto themselves, we're all fighting the same globohomo enemy.

The "judeo-christian" civic nationalists are peddling the same trash that's seen them lose ground for the last 70 years straight and there's not a single alteration to their losing formula that will magically make it a winning one. Even when they win elections they still lose because they have no path to victory. Indeed they are forbidden to even name the problems. The reason for this is that they're on the same plantation of delusion as the Left.

"A stone dropped will not fall down but up"

is no different from

"A man who decides he is a woman is a woman"

is no different from

"Somalians provided with the same opportunity as Swedes will enjoy the same outcomes"

is no different from

"it's right to complain about massively biased MSM coverage but wrong to note that they're all owned and operated by jews"

Those who recoil from truth are damned, no matter their ideology.

The ugly reality is that a sizable percentage of all our respective populations haven't been hit hard enough by reality to be forced to discard their delusions. The bittersweet news is that more people are being forced to live a bit closer to the bone and since hard times do not suffer delusion we're well on our way to a mass awakening.

Banish delusion. Banish lies. Without. Within. The rest is in God's hands.

(05-19-2019 07:32 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

(05-18-2019 08:53 AM)felix_vagabondo Wrote:  

(05-15-2019 05:38 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  [...]a state or group of states would sue for secession and everyone in them when the curtains came down would be part of that new country[...]

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but the United States cannot be separated with a lawsuit.

This ain't the EU here boys. There's no Article 50 to trigger after a simple popular referendum.

The US is a sovereign entity.

It's guns or you're staying in the Union.

And we already saw that movie.

I don't get why a guy who says he lives in outback Australia so concerned about the USA and is constantly shilling for US ethnostate secessions.

Says the guy who likes to tell Brits how Brexit is a huge mistake and we're stupid for wanting it.

So can someone breakdown Trump's immigration proposal? Good/bad?

Quote: Says the guy who likes to tell Brits how Brexit is a huge mistake and we're stupid for wanting it.

Not following through with Brexit would be a huge mistake.

I’m American and watching the rest of Europe destroy itself with Muslim rapefugees

Trump lands a haymaker.

(05-19-2019 11:36 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  So can someone breakdown Trump's immigration proposal? Good/bad?

As far as border security goes:
- It plans to build new wall in 30 or so "strategic locations"
- Beefs up security and technology at ports of entry
- Expedites the asylum process so that applicants are approved or denied without having to hang about somewhere in the US
- Establishes some sort of Border Fund that pays for some of this via money collected from border crossings

Legal Immigration:
- Shift from family based immigration to skills based immigration
- Establishes a point based system requiring you to have advanced education, a job offer, financial self-sufficiency, English fluency, passing a civics exam,etc
- Mandatory E-Verify
- Nothing about DACA

According to the numbers and percentages Trump outlined in his rollout speech, this is what the before and after is proposed to be:



The stated aim is to keep the immigration numbers the same, but it clearly is not going to work out that way. According to Trump the roughly 4 million person backlog would be evaluated under the new visa system, which effectively means they aren't getting in given most of them are there because of a family relation. Furthermore a good chunk of immigrants aren't going to come if they can only bring their spouse and minor children.

It's a very good step in the right direction when you consider that Kushner was involved and took input from some Conservative Inc. circles. And there is less fire and fury with this rollout, with Trump using more nuanced language which suggests this is meant to be more palatable for cucks and others. Naturally the NYT and WSJ editorial boards hate it anyway.

It's dead politically until 2020 because of the House, but allegedly the Senate is ok with it. So for now it's a campaign promise - give me the House back and I'll get this passed. Make of that what you will.

(05-19-2019 01:06 PM)Dismal Operator Wrote:  

(05-19-2019 11:36 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  So can someone breakdown Trump's immigration proposal? Good/bad?

As far as border security goes:
- It plans to build new wall in 30 or so "strategic locations"
- Beefs up security and technology at ports of entry
- Expedites the asylum process so that applicants are approved or denied without having to hang about somewhere in the US
- Establishes some sort of Border Fund that pays for some of this via money collected from border crossings

Legal Immigration:
- Shift from family based immigration to skills based immigration
- Establishes a point based system requiring you to have advanced education, a job offer, financial self-sufficiency, English fluency, passing a civics exam,etc
- Mandatory E-Verify
- Nothing about DACA

According to the numbers and percentages Trump outlined in his rollout speech, this is what the before and after is proposed to be:



The stated aim is to keep the immigration numbers the same, but it clearly is not going to work out that way. According to Trump the roughly 4 million person backlog would be evaluated under the new visa system, which effectively means they aren't getting in given most of them are there because of a family relation. Furthermore a good chunk of immigrants aren't going to come if they can only bring their spouse and minor children.

It's a very good step in the right direction when you consider that Kushner was involved and took input from some Conservative Inc. circles. And there is less fire and fury with this rollout, with Trump using more nuanced language which suggests this is meant to be more palatable for cucks and others. Naturally the NYT and WSJ editorial boards hate it anyway.

It's dead politically until 2020 because of the House, but allegedly the Senate is ok with it. So for now it's a campaign promise - give me the House back and I'll get this passed. Make of that what you will.

US Citizen here originally from UK. I came on a student visa, then got a Green Card before becoming a citizen. A few comments

-Employees and Investors - More foreigners - The number of Chinese interested in moving to the US is declining, so prepare for even more Indians coming over. We may need to change the name of the country to USIRT
-Permanent Residents Spouses and Children - Does that mean you if you're a Green Card Holder you can't bring a foreign wife over until you become a citizen? It takes 5 years for a Green Card holder to become eligible for citizenship.
-US Citizens siblings - In most countries you can't sponsor siblings, so I'm OK with this. BTW my siblings all live in the UK and they have no interest in moving to the US