^^^

I'm not surprised by any of this really but it's not me that you have to convince.

The political pendulum will always test those social and political boundaries. You have both sides advocating for extreme politics and actions these days.

Either way these two extremes on the left and right have no power until they gain control of the state itself through an actual political or military coup of the power structures in the U.S. which consist of the military, financial, civil authority (police etc..), and mainstream media platforms.

The rhetoric is just going to ramp up farther and farther until one side prevails (not likely) or cooler heads with actual power prevail (likely) and create a compromise that's amenable to the majority of the population.

There is no compromise on the far left or right though so I wouldn't be surprised if the more desperate members of these groups start shooting it out at some point somewhere. Antifa vs alt right is just one small step towards that direction. I can see it blowing up into something larger if let's say BLM or antifa actively crashed an alt right pool party with guns or vice versa. I wouldn't be surprised if some elite with actual power, an agency, or a real fringe subset of these movements tries to provoke such a clash with false flags to bring the hammer down one way or another.

I don't see mass approved violence as likely though. There's a lot of tough guy talk but a lot of these movements on both sides enjoy freedom too much to do real time in prison or risk actual death for themselves or their family members.

(01-21-2018 09:16 PM)Cobra Wrote:  This is laughable. Last time I checked, being born here isn't the only thing that makes you an actual American citizen. So what you're saying is honorable military service doesnt matter but getting on the forum and screaming muh America does?

I served with many guys of all colors and origins. Some were more dedicated than others but there were many "born somewhere else" that were better than "actual Americans" at their jobs and dedication to their units and commands. Vice versa too but you get my point.

Some of the biggest degenerates I have known were born here and take more than they contribute.

Look at the fundamental premise of your post: American citizenship is a reward given to people who are "better" than other people. As long as you "earn" it, you should have it. In your mind, it's like a cushy job position that should go to the most deserving, provided they pass an "evaluation".

Never mind what happens to the people who are already living here, whether they would like to have their culture transformed by a flood of immigrants, or whether they want to compete with millions more for jobs. They don't get a say in the matter.

I would rather have a thousand of your "biggest degenerates" than one person like you, who thinks that this country is a giant job application and that anyone who meets the requirements should be allowed in. I can deal with degenerates. I can avoid them, I can ignore them, and worst comes to worst I can have them jailed when they break the law.

You, on the other hand, are a cancer. Left to your own devices you'll turn this nation into a giant swamp of a million ethnic groups, none of whom give the slightest damn about the people whose home this is. A "degenerate" is a nuisance, but you are poison.

Quote:This is laughable. Last time I checked, being born here isn't the only thing that makes you an actual American citizen. So what you're saying is honorable military service doesnt matter but getting on the forum and screaming muh America does?

I am an American, not by virtue of the fact that I'm "screaming muh America" on a forum, but because this is my home, in a way that it will never, ever be yours. Everything I see, every emotion I have, every experience I have is filtered through the lens of American culture that I grew up in, and you did not. The American flag means something to me that it doesn't to you. A Christmas tree means something to me that it doesn't to you. George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, the liberty bell, a billion other things that I can't even list, down to the tiniest miniature like chicken wings and the way a maple leaf turns color in the fall, all of them hold a meaning to me that I can't explain, and you will never, ever comprehend.

This is a simple fact, and it's understood implicitly in every other part of the world. I spend almost half my year in Japan. I'm a history buff, and I know Japanese history better than many Japanese people. But the Meiji Restoration, when Japan rose out of backwards poverty to become a world power, means something different to them than it does to me. I like studying religions, and can tell you all kinds of obscure facts about Japanese Shinto and Buddhism, far beyond what your average Japanese guy does. But the sight of a torii arch, and the long stone steps leading up to a shrine, means something totally different to me than it does to a Japanese man who walked up steps just like them at midnight in the cold on every January 1st for 30 years. I'm a good cook. I can make better sukiyaki than your average Japanese housewife. But when I eat the sukiyaki, it tastes a little different to me than it does to the housewife, who sat down with her parents around a boiling pot of white cabbage, negi onions and thinly sliced beef stew to celebrate the time she passed her middle school enterance exams.

I can, and do, spend a lot of time in Japan. I speak the language fluently, I know enough about the nation's culture and history to pass any citizenship test you could devise, I don't break laws, and I bring in a lot of valuable know-how that contributes to the Japanese economy. I would pass the "evaluation" you speak of with flying colors. But I am not Japanese, I will never be Japanese, and I will never even comprehend what it means to be Japanese, any more than I could understand what it means to be a bat, or a tiger. It is not my country, and it will never be my country, and if I were to get Japanese citizenship I would never in a million years dream of telling the people there that they had to let in a bunch of immigrants like me, because we're better people than they are. If I tried they'd be fully justified in shipping me on the next plane out of Narita, and making me pay for the ticket.

I am an American. You are a person with his name on a sheet of paper that reads "citizen". So you have no right to try and change this place. It's not yours to change.

I don't want to deport all non-whites. I want to close the borders and deport all illegal invaders.

I also want to shut down any legal immigrants pushing for us to import a million more people of their specific shade of brown because they think they're better than the natives for whatever reason.

If I moved to Japan and was given Japanese citizenship I'd be grateful and assimilate, I'd take my shoes off indoors and my house would have those stupid paper walls or whatever. I wouldn't vote for the destruction of Japanese culture while demanding that Japan import a million more iop's that look like Thor with AIDs that will also vote for the destruction of Japanese culture. And I wouldn't complain about their treatment of the Ainu and the fact that that their government is dominated by old Asian men while expecting those same Asian men to subsidize my birthrate with their tax dollars.

Every time I meet an immigrant that's been here 10+ years and can barely speak English it makes me want to push my thumbs into their eyes. Put me in Japan for 5 years and I'll be a fucking Japanese poet.

(01-21-2018 10:16 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  This is a simple fact, and it's understood implicitly in every other part of the world. I spend almost half my year in Japan. I'm a history buff, and I know Japanese history better than many Japanese people. But the Meiji Restoration, when Japan rose out of backwards poverty to become a world power, means something different to them than it does to me. I like studying religions, and can tell you all kinds of obscure facts about Japanese Shinto and Buddhism, far beyond what your average Japanese guy does. But the sight of a torii arch, and the long stone steps leading up to a shrine, means something totally different to me than it does to a Japanese man who walked up steps just like them at midnight in the cold on every January 1st for 30 years. I'm a good cook. I can make better sukiyaki than your average Japanese housewife. But when I eat the sukiyaki, it tastes a little different to me than it does to the housewife, who sat down with her parents around a boiling pot of white cabbage, negi onions and thinly sliced beef stew to celebrate the time she passed her middle school enterance exams.

I can, and do, spend a lot of time in Japan. I speak the language fluently, I know enough about the nation's culture and history to pass any citizenship test you could devise, I don't break laws, and I bring in a lot of valuable know-how that contributes to the Japanese economy. I would pass the "evaluation" you speak of with flying colors. But I am not Japanese, I will never be Japanese, and I will never even comprehend what it means to be Japanese, any more than I could understand what it means to be a bat, or a tiger. It is not my country, and it will never be my country, and if I were to get Japanese citizenship I would never in a million years dream of telling the people there that they had to let in a bunch of immigrants like me, because we're better people than they are. If I tried they'd be fully justified in shipping me on the next plane out of Narita, and making me pay for the ticket.

Excuse me, Japan was my example. Please delete this immediately.

Quote:Immigration policy analyst @David_J_Bier questions just how much the GOP is willing to compromise on DACA by picking apart their proposed revision.

"Republicans won't compromise on an act that was illegal to begin with and is set to expire!"

Okay?

Imagine stealing something from the store and then becoming irate when the store won't "compromise" by letting you keep half of what you stole.

(01-21-2018 10:21 PM)iop890 Wrote:  I don't want to deport all non-whites. I want to close the borders and deport all illegal invaders.

So do I for that matter. If it were up to me i'd close legal immigration off in the U.S. completely and kick all illegals out overnight. It's clearly gone off the rails and is heavily exploited.

If the U.S. became a first world Bhutan at this point I wouldn't really have a problem with it. I've always maintained that various nations have a right to maintain their ethnic composition.

What I do have issues with are the advocates who want to throw the laws out the window and do what they wish to people who actually established legal rights or are descendants of non white immigrants.

People want to actually shred the established laws to push for ideological extremes. Stripping citizenship, pushing people out the door, and taking their shit as "payment" is by no means civilized behavior.

I know you don't advocate for what i'm saying but there are some that are and who am I to judge them? It's a free country.

They are free to pursue this dream just like many other advocates of fairly non realistic agendas. The reason I don't mind so much is because I know it takes more than just words to make that happen.

It takes actual blood spilled. Are people ready to ideologically go that route? If so they can try and i'm fairly certain of the outcome and it's not what some think it will be..unintended consequences and all that.

What’s with the arrogance of IRTs in America anyway? We saw a couple examples on this thread recently. We saw it on the Project Veritas hidden video of IRTs talking down “red necks” ( e.g., who they perceive to be degenerate white Americans who don’t hate their country).

I saw an article about possibly reducing HB1 visas, and all these “Sanjay’s” were in the comments section saying America needs Indians because Americans are too dumb and Indians are better.

It’s always the same, their perceived superiority over white Americans and how we “need more of them.”

Is it the caste system? I don’t know. I don’t know their ways anymore than they know mine (real American here).

And what’s hysterical about this superiority complex, look at how Indian societies function. Shitholes.

(01-21-2018 10:35 PM)Dusty Wrote:  What’s with the arrogance of IRTs in America anyway? We saw a couple examples on this thread recently. We saw it on the Project Veritas hidden video of IRTs talking down “red necks” ( e.g., who they perceive to be degenerate white Americans who don’t hate their country).

I saw an article about possibly reducing HB1 visas, and all these “Sanjay’s” were in the comments section saying America needs Indians because Americans are too dumb and Indians are better.

It’s always the same, their perceived superiority over white Americans and how we “need more of them.”

Is it the caste system? I don’t know. I don’t know their ways anymore than they know mine (real American here).

And what’s hysterical about this superiority complex, look at how Indian societies function. Shitholes.

Dusty are you me? I actually typed up a post about this a few days ago and deleted it because there are so many Indian Trump Thread regulars that I like here, but yes I've noticed the same thing. Is it possible IRTs are even more butthurt about white Christians than (((them))).

I don't get it. Is it just a way of assimilating into an extremely ethno-masochist culture? Or is there something specific to Indian culture that causes this?

At least (((they))) got shoah'd, what did we ever do to IRTs besides build a bunch of roads for them to shit on?(that's not even what they're for, by the way)

double post

(01-21-2018 10:26 PM)Dusty Wrote:  

This is it.

This is where the line is drawn in the sand. You are for American citizens or against them.

Headline reads: "Faith in Trump's ability to fulfill campaign pledges drops"

Yet CNN is admitting that people are confident in the economy and that they don't care about Russia in the same vid?

Talk about doublethink.

(01-21-2018 10:35 PM)Dusty Wrote:  What’s with the arrogance of IRTs in America anyway? We saw a couple examples on this thread recently. We saw it on the Project Veritas hidden video of IRTs talking down “red necks” ( e.g., who they perceive to be degenerate white Americans who don’t hate their country).

I saw an article about possibly reducing HB1 visas, and all these “Sanjay’s” were in the comments section saying America needs Indians because Americans are too dumb and Indians are better.

It’s always the same, their perceived superiority over white Americans and how we “need more of them.”

Is it the caste system? I don’t know. I don’t know their ways anymore than they know mine (real American here).

And what’s hysterical about this superiority complex, look at how Indian societies function. Shitholes.

I'm not sure people are advocating for more Indian immigration. Let's be honest, politics is about self-preservation too... and letting in Indians, Hispanics, Africans, and yes even Western Europeans is mathematically just a mistake.

But the problem with a small minority of posters including you.. is your arguments are clearly based with some kind of hate or just some kind of beta anger when your refer to people's races who make arguments on this forum as trolls, ingrates, and many others name calling I've seen. When you insult someone's race it's only logical for them to defend their own race when presented with that type of garbage.

(01-21-2018 09:44 PM)iop890 Wrote:  

(01-21-2018 09:38 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  I think the general sentiment is that non whites can't be ideologically, racially, or culturally American no matter what the situation and should all be deported en masse.

If there were any immigrants that voted for smaller government as a group I would welcome them, this has never happened however. All immigrant groups so far have chosen to be ingrates and vote for the destruction of their host nation while talking about how much better they are than the degenerate natives.

Except the Germans, Italians an Cubans....

(01-21-2018 09:38 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  Place of birth is a minor detail.

I think the general sentiment is that non whites can't be ideologically, racially, or culturally American no matter what the situation and should all be deported en masse.

I'm not casting value judgement on that sentiment but just pointing it out as it's oft repeated in these ideological debates.

When people draw hard line ideological line in the sand like this and take it into the mainstream that's when things will get real interesting indeed.

I give it a decade.

I would slightly adjust the bolded to say the general sentiment is that diversity creates chaos, irrespective of the mix of races involved. Most of us here just so happen to be white, and we live in predominantly white countries, so obviously in our particular situation it comes down to whites vs non-whites. I can assure you that if you superimposed mass brown/black/white immigration unto China the yellow people there would express sentiments very similar to ours here on RVF, except much more vigorously. Hell, blacks in Africa can't even abide minor tribal differences between themselves.

All of this is to say what is happening in America is not unique to whites and doesn't occur because whites are an evil race particularly accursed by malignant racism whereas everywhere else the vibrant people of color coexist peaceably in multiracial utopias. Whenever you have multiple ethnies occupying the same space you will get ethnic conflict. "White nationalism" is an inevitable consequence of whites becoming increasingly crowded out in their own territory and frankly if whites weren't so cucked white nationalism should have exploded much earlier and more intensely back when racial dispossession was still just a specter on the horizon.

(01-21-2018 09:41 PM)zigZag Wrote:  Green card holders are LEGAL residents. They aren't citizens. They asked permission to come into the house and stayed. DACA are illegals. There is a difference. I will never disrespect immigrants and for me immigration is foundational to this country. What is unacceptable is Illegal immigration. We have those laws for a reason.

I disagree. What matters is solely the quality of immigrants and their quantity, not whether they entered the country legally. If Democrats regain control of government and suddenly change immigration law in a way that allows in the legal inflows of millions of genocidal Somalis, do you think that would be better for the "average American" than if a million hot Korean chicks illegally entered the country? Or even more simple: would you rather have your hometown deluged by 50,000 genocidal Somalis who arrived with the blessing of legally issued visas, or 10,000 genocidal Somalis who who somehow got in illegally?

(01-21-2018 10:16 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

(01-21-2018 09:16 PM)Cobra Wrote:  This is laughable. Last time I checked, being born here isn't the only thing that makes you an actual American citizen. So what you're saying is honorable military service doesnt matter but getting on the forum and screaming muh America does?

I served with many guys of all colors and origins. Some were more dedicated than others but there were many "born somewhere else" that were better than "actual Americans" at their jobs and dedication to their units and commands. Vice versa too but you get my point.

Some of the biggest degenerates I have known were born here and take more than they contribute.

Look at the fundamental premise of your post: American citizenship is a reward given to people who are "better" than other people. As long as you "earn" it, you should have it. In your mind, it's like a cushy job position that should go to the most deserving, provided they pass an "evaluation".

Never mind what happens to the people who are already living here, whether they would like to have their culture transformed by a flood of immigrants, or whether they want to compete with millions more for jobs. They don't get a say in the matter.

I would rather have a thousand of your "biggest degenerates" than one person like you, who thinks that this country is a giant job application and that anyone who meets the requirements should be allowed in. I can deal with degenerates. I can avoid them, I can ignore them, and worst comes to worst I can have them jailed when they break the law.

You, on the other hand, are a cancer. Left to your own devices you'll turn this nation into a giant swamp of a million ethnic groups, none of whom give the slightest damn about the people whose home this is. A "degenerate" is a nuisance, but you are poison.

Quote:This is laughable. Last time I checked, being born here isn't the only thing that makes you an actual American citizen. So what you're saying is honorable military service doesnt matter but getting on the forum and screaming muh America does?

I am an American, not by virtue of the fact that I'm "screaming muh America" on a forum, but because this is my home, in a way that it will never, ever be yours. Everything I see, every emotion I have, every experience I have is filtered through the lens of American culture that I grew up in, and you did not. The American flag means something to me that it doesn't to you. A Christmas tree means something to me that it doesn't to you. George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, the liberty bell, a billion other things that I can't even list, down to the tiniest miniature like chicken wings and the way a maple leaf turns color in the fall, all of them hold a meaning to me that I can't explain, and you will never, ever comprehend.

This is a simple fact, and it's understood implicitly in every other part of the world. I spend almost half my year in Japan. I'm a history buff, and I know Japanese history better than many Japanese people. But the Meiji Restoration, when Japan rose out of backwards poverty to become a world power, means something different to them than it does to me. I like studying religions, and can tell you all kinds of obscure facts about Japanese Shinto and Buddhism, far beyond what your average Japanese guy does. But the sight of a torii arch, and the long stone steps leading up to a shrine, means something totally different to me than it does to a Japanese man who walked up steps just like them at midnight in the cold on every January 1st for 30 years. I'm a good cook. I can make better sukiyaki than your average Japanese housewife. But when I eat the sukiyaki, it tastes a little different to me than it does to the housewife, who sat down with her parents around a boiling pot of white cabbage, negi onions and thinly sliced beef stew to celebrate the time she passed her middle school enterance exams.

I can, and do, spend a lot of time in Japan. I speak the language fluently, I know enough about the nation's culture and history to pass any citizenship test you could devise, I don't break laws, and I bring in a lot of valuable know-how that contributes to the Japanese economy. I would pass the "evaluation" you speak of with flying colors. But I am not Japanese, I will never be Japanese, and I will never even comprehend what it means to be Japanese, any more than I could understand what it means to be a bat, or a tiger. It is not my country, and it will never be my country, and if I were to get Japanese citizenship I would never in a million years dream of telling the people there that they had to let in a bunch of immigrants like me, because we're better people than they are. If I tried they'd be fully justified in shipping me on the next plane out of Narita, and making me pay for the ticket.

I am an American. You are a person with his name on a sheet of paper that reads "citizen". So you have no right to try and change this place. It's not yours to change.

Sam this is just pathetic. You sound like a white IRT here. No one here in this discussion is advocating flooding America with third world immigrants to fundamentally change America. That's what all the white leftists want but according to you, you have more kinship with them than some one like Cobra who probably agrees with 90% of your political and social views but is brown. Just because said leftists are white and were born in America. This is something all you dudes need to understand, it's white people in the government, white people in big business and white people in the media who are conspiring to fundamentally change America. Remember the last president, the half-white one? Remember all the stupid white people who voted for that incompetent fuck? Twice? Why, to assuage themselves of their guilt or something stupid like that? I knew from day one that guy was a charlatan yet back then, everyone on the forum, white and not white, supported his ass. I may have been the only brown man in America that hated his ass in 2008 and I was in Chicago, the epicenter of the cult of Obama. So yeah I get it, minorities vote mostly democrat so fine we don't need to import more of them, I don't want more Indian IT workers here, a lot of them are annoying, can't speak the language properly and don't do a very good job. Americans should be doing those jobs.

But I have news for you, plenty of white people need to stop sucking and start living better lives. Plenty of dumb white bitches are getting all ratchety, doing the single mom ghetto shit, riding that carousel until that horse wont ride no more or getting fat and nasty. Plenty of white dudes need to stop being cuck soyboys and understand the situation with their women and their society. So are you boys going to just sit and whine on an internet forum, or are you going to go into the real world and start changing some shit? Hell I've met so many white guys who are deathly afraid of telling their gf's, wives, or anyone at all that they support Trump. What's that all about? If you can't influence the people around by standing up for what you believe, then how will anything change? By whining on an internet board about IT IRTs? Pathetic.

Doc,

You are not addressing the point SamuelBRoberts is making which is how culturally different people who were not born, or raised in the USA (or any country) are from the natives who were raised there, and whose family has generational roots to the land.

A couple years back at a nightclub in Bangkok I met a few guys from the forum for a informal meetup. One guy, who was a small, nerdy Indian guy, introduced himself to me telling me he was from America. As he spoke to me with his subtle Indian accent, I gave him a look that must have signaled to him that I knew he was full of shit because he then corrected himself, "I am originally from India." Yea, of course you are is all I could think, and how sad it is that he has to pretend to be something he is not and will never really be.

This difference in culture is something that is significant and it really does separate people even if they might be politically ideologically aligned. As for your ad hominen attacks against white people for acting ghetto or soyboy behavior, its honestly preferable to the unpleasantness of Indian tourists I have come in contact with in Bangkok during my time here. The Indian tourists I have met must be middle class to be able to afford to travel, so I would hate to image how the lower class Indians behave.

(01-21-2018 09:58 PM)doc holliday Wrote:  Sam this is just pathetic. You sound like a white IRT here. No one here in this discussion is advocating flooding America with third world immigrants to fundamentally change America. That's what all the white leftists want but according to you, you have more kinship with them than some one like Cobra who probably agrees with 90% of your political and social views but is brown. Just because said leftists are white and were born in America.

But I do have more kinship with white leftists than I do cobra. We speak the same language, we grew up in the same culture, we eat the same foods, laugh at the same jokes. We have the same pet peeves, the same standards of etiquette and decency. There is more to culture and kinship than political beliefs. My family are all huge leftists. My mom once said she had to pull over to the side of the road and cry because the Trump administration was just so difficult for her. But it's insane to say I have less kinship with my family, who I spent decades of my life with, than a guy who comes from the other side of the planet, just because he and I agree about marginal tax rates and the role of women in the workplace.

Did you inadvertently say that you have more in common with your typical soy boy rather than someone like Roosh?

You're conflating your family with other white leftists. Sure you have a bond with your family due to blood. Does this blood blond extend to the white leftist that serves your Starbucks latte in the morning? If there was some sort of tribal war going down, you would rather have a 1000 Brooklyn hipsters posting #MeToo hashtags behind you just because they happened to be white rather than another forum member that shares the same values and worldview you do?

There indeed is more to culture than just political beliefs. What culture and pet peeves do you share with the common white leftist? That there's a persistent rape culture where a guy having clumsy game = sexual assault? That we all need to start drinking free-trade coffee and adopt vegan diets?

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@WuTang,

This is my opinion. I don't know how many people agree with it.

But I think that if shit gets really bad, the majority of White Liberals who don't die in the first week are going to become Conservatives. They'll experience a real change of heart.

The majority of American Blacks and South American immigrants will not.

And the majority of Asian immigrants will group together and try to peacefully coexist with Whites.

It is very odd to be an RVF member who sees the potential of White Liberals to redeem themselves. But I've always seen this, even though it's unlikely to happen.

(01-22-2018 01:31 AM)Wutang Wrote:  Did you inadvertently say that you have more in common with your typical soy boy rather than someone like Roosh?

No, it wasn't inadvertent. Roosh and I have a lot in common in many areas. We both lift. We both like girls. We both are pretty deep into crypto. We're both prone to writing long internet posts. I like Roosh a lot, and I'm proud of the small ways in which I've been able to help him, like writing for his websites and buying his books. But even if we're ideologically and personality-wise similar, culturally, I have far more in common with the soy boy. There is more to life, and more to culture, than the politics and masculinity we talk about on the forum.

This is one of those things that's difficult to explain to people who don't spend serious time with other cultures in a capacity that goes beyond light travel and fucking girls. They're DIFFERENT. They're different in millions of ways, most of which you would never even think exist.

Can these cultural nuances ever be transmitted to someone who was say born to parents who are from else where but who himself was born and raised in the country? Or are you asserting some sort of blood memory theory where these sort of cultural traits can never be passed outside of a particular bloodline?

(01-22-2018 02:00 AM)Wutang Wrote:  Can these cultural nuances ever be transmitted to someone who was say born to parents who are from else where but who himself was born and raised in the country? Or are you asserting some sort of blood memory theory where these sort of cultural traits can never be passed outside of a particular bloodline?

It's not some kind of mysterious "blood memory". It's the fairy tales you were told as a kid, the foods you ate, the way your parents behaved, what you learned in school, what the social environment was like, the music you listened to... It's a million different things, most of which you would never even think to identify, that make up a culture. Just growing up in a certain spot isn't going to do it.

If you use any other country than America, this becomes instantly obvious. Lots of white children in the British Raj grew up in India. They didn't become Indians, and any such white who called himself an Indian would be laughed at. Hell, I knew a white guy from Rhodesia who got laughed at when he said he was "African", even though his family had been there for something like a century.