One of the most annoying things about being on the right is the fact that whenever something goes wrong everyone goes into full blackpill modus, it's like people on our side are addicted to being depressed. Very few people are able to keep perspective and of course the usual suspects say we should just throw in the hat in ring and give up. What a fucking joke.

The greatest thing Trump did for us is that he woke up the sleeping American nationalist giant, thus paving the way for the future, because he exposed the Republican establishment and showed to future nationalists how to win.

He was never going to solve all of our problems so it would be foolish of us to expect him to do so. Trump is a small guy in a far bigger picture.

I disagree with the assertion that Trump is only in it for himself, if that were the case he would've ran a far milder campaign and completely betray us after the election which he didn't:

- He killed TPP
- Has, so far, honored his pledge to build the wall
- Has attacked sanctuary cities
- Tried to get his "Muslim ban" through but was blocked by judges (so far)
- The Dakota and Keystone XL Pipelines are going to be revived
- Has worked his ass off to keep jobs in America
- Has kept attacking the press, unlike the average cuckservative who would have given in immediately.

Complete overview of the promises he has kept so far: https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comm...ump_hasnt/

There's also a lot of bad so far (his McMaster pick, Ivanka and Jared's influence, the Syria bullshit) and uncertain (Is Gorsuch going to turn out to be a cuckservative? What will he do about the HB1's?) and like Fast Eddie said, we need to hold him accountable and keep pressuring him otherwise he most likely won't change the things we're complaining about, but ffs, keep some perspective.

tl;dr Blackpillers and cuckservatives are worse than liberals

(04-07-2017 11:50 AM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  It was natural that there would be a wish that Trump would be completely different from what came before him. I was skeptical, given his history, his character, and his words. But I was willing to give him a chance to see what he might do.

But to me it's now clear that he's not much different from all the others. At the end of the day, it's just business as usual. Maybe a better analogy would be: Trump is flying by the seat of his pants. He's an "ad hoc" president. He has no real fixed, deeply-held belief system. He's an opportunist who's out for himself and his family. He's a thin-skinned egoist, lacking any real depth of character. He doesn't read, has no curiosity about the world, and has the attention span of a ferret on a double-espresso. He'll say and do anything at the moment to satisfy whatever whim needs to be taken care of.

Clinton would have been just as bad.

There's been way too much projection of our own wishes and desires on to this president. Instead of looking and seeing what's right before your eyes, we tend to see what we want to see.

When you say, "Well, then what hope is there for anything, then, if he's just like all the others?"

My answer is the same as it has always been:

Stop looking to political figures to solve your problems or to advance you in life. You're on your own, and always have been. No one is going to save you. What we need are spiritual revolutions--upheavals of the soul--and not political revolutions. These political "leaders" are all owned by big business and foreign governments. They hate you and want to see you marginalized and sent to oblivion. Trump is not your savior. He doesn't give a damn about anyone but himself and his family.

Look to yourselves. The truth lies within you. It does not lie outside you. And it definitely does not lie in Trump.

In this era of lies, hypocrisy, and false "god emperors" (what a bloody sham), the only solution is to turn away from the evil and elevate yourself. Improve yourself. You now have to be bigger, better, stronger, faster, and tougher than ever before. You have to be stronger now than you ever thought you could be. Because we have all been sold out and left by the wayside. But they underestimate us...our power and your power. When the time is right, the dividend of all your hard work will be paid. But the road will be long, bitter, and full of despair along the way. You need to dig deep now.

Our renaissance begins only when this point is truly understood.

.

Well said QC.

Let's just hope we have enough time.

(04-07-2017 12:12 PM)DamienCasanova Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 11:27 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 10:10 AM)DamienCasanova Wrote:  It looked like Trump Derangement Syndrome mutated last night into a new form of the mental maladay, i'll call it DJTDS, Donald "Jewish" Trump Derangement Syndrome. It's quite disturbing how many of you were so quick to disavow, and cut and run after one news report you don't like. With supporters like some of you, who needs enemies?

I never "disavowed" Trump or mentioned any Jews and was very clear that we should disapprove but not panic or "jump off the Trump Train", so I don't know if I'm included in that, but I'd defend those who did because their outrage is fully justified.

We're talking about a public, clear, publicized, unprovoked launch of 50 tons of high explosive at a sovereign country after spending the last 4 years stressing that you'd never do such a thing. It's not people losing their minds over some random appointee comment or article quoting anonymous staffers or similar bullshit, but over tons of tangible explosives being hurled at a country across the world because - we were openly told - the President saw a photo of a strangled kid. There's nothing ambiguous here!

Do we really live in a world where 50 Tomahawk missiles hurled at a random country over a random piece of #fakenews is nothing to get worked over? Where chucking $100 million worth of weapons at one of Russia's allies is just an everyday event with nothing to worry about?

I'm starting to feel like I'm back in 2003!

I respect your opinion HCE, and no I wasn't including you in my view.

But like a previous poster said, this seems like it was a simple slap on the wrist sort of maneuver. A gas attack was launched from a chemical weapons base in Syria, and that base was subsequently destroyed for it. We didn't launch an invasion, we haven't toppled Assad's regime, we just slapped him down for this instance, and told him not to do it again. It hurts alliances with Russia, but strengthens alliances on many other sides in the Middle East, as well as domestically with D's & R's.

Trump is an ad-hoc president for sure, he doesn't have a fixed belief system, and he has always been pragmatic and just goes with what works best in the moment. He absolutely has been flying by the seat of his pants, and is probably doing as good of a job appeasing all sides as one man could be expected to do so far.

That makes sense, but what I do not like is the super quick reaction. We did not even get a Colin Powell lying to the UN about the gas. Just a report from media and bam.

Now the liberals are sticking it to him for taking a police action on that without congressional vote. That said, he did at least get seniority and security council approval it seems. So he at least did that part right.

If that is all it is, then this won't likely have long lasting effects, but I am very skeptical of this.

US Foreign Policy right now is looking very ADHD without a clear goal and objective. It is extremely possible we could be looking at a 3 front war, over mere bullshit. Syria, Iran, and N. Korea. Don't expect any of the rogue states to not cross the line the minute we go full bore into one country. If one jumps, they all will.

You could kinda see the cat and mouse game Obama played in the second half of his last term. Me, I personally think he did not want to start a war he could not finish that would have done ultra damage to his legacy. So as a result, he tried containing all 3 of those crazy countries the best he could, especially with cyberwarfare. His policy was containment all the way and it was obvious.

I hope Trump knows how far to push, because it will not take much to spark something, then the others jump in (eg. Iran build a nuke, NK launches a missile into Japan, etc), because they don't think we can handle 3 wars. In that, they are correct. Heck if China overruns Taiwan while we are in the middle of 3 major wars, what's stopping them?

There is not much room for error with this. Which is assuming he has not been flipped by the dark side and the globalists, which is what it kinda looks like. If they have their way, we would repeat history like the Romans and the English did.

President Trump's Weekly Address

https://www.facebook.com/WhiteHouse/vide...702728860/

Nothing about Syria...

You guys need to chill the fuck out and stop getting your panties in a bunch.

Nothing but anxiety and panicking in the last few pages.

Jesus H. Christ.

-There is no World War III starting
-We’ve been bombing Syria for 2 years now
-We’ve had US boots on the ground in Syria for the same amount of time
-There have been chemical attacks before in Syria
-The media is playing everyone for fools and uncoupling and derailing the Trump train

The guys disavowing are fucking chumps, it’s embarrassing, and shows their true nature.

What happened to wait and see ? Did we lose this thought process after the election ?


Let start with Assad:

-He doesn’t have anything to gain by gassing his enemies, especially when he’s WINNING.
-BUT maybe he’s just a dick and decided to. (I don’t see why he would)
-A more feasible explanation is Syrian dropped munitions hit a rebel/ISIS depot that had CM’s (rational)
-It’s not farfetched to think this was indeed staged or a false operation (I’m keeping an open mind)

On Trump:
-He didn’t just decide to drop Tom’s on Syria because of pictures of a kid dying.
-He wasn’t going to sit by with his dick in his hand and not do anything.
-This was a SURGICAL strike – this wasn’t bombing the fuck out of everything.
-I agree, loyalty is important, but not blind allegiance – he IS human. (I'm not blind to this either)
-This is his FIRST show of force, he made direct decision on his own.
-He isn’t Hillary, he isn’t a shill, however, “The (((Kuschner))) Question” still stands.

On The Syrian Airfield Bombing:
-Yes it killed some soldiers, you can’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs.
-Once again, this was a SURGICAL strike, not carpet bombing.
-American radar/intel can usually tell what jets came from what base in the region.
-Intel is allegedly strong these planes came from said base (but not if they carried CW’s, which I still think is false)
-Syrian/Russian assets had warning and obviously cleared the base for the most part.
-23 of 59 Tom’s actually hit their targets – pretty low success rate in my eyes.
-Initial reports are showing relatively minor destruction and showing jets fine in bunkers.
-The runways themselves have moderate damage but look pretty reparable.
-No Radar stations/early warning/AA/SAM's seem to of been taken out.
-The above means an precursor to invasion usually.
-US isn't planning anymore air strikes.
-EDIT: It does look like Tom's did destroy/damage about 24 aircrafts (not sure how much of a blow this is)






I personally think we just all need to chill the fuck out for a day, reassess what’s going on.

Yes, I’m a little bummed that Trump did this, BUT I still have faith in the dude, he’s got 8 years brahs.

He isn’t perfect, he’s human, AND he’s got a shit ton of pressure on him on all sides.

We're all gonna make it !

(04-07-2017 01:08 AM)Polo Wrote:  In my opinion, this was a brilliant move by Trump, as has been argued by Scott Adams and others.

9. A successful military action (even if small) is a great way for a president to build political capital early in his presidency. Notice that very few politicians on either side of the aisle have said they disagree with what Trump did. Watch his approval numbers (whether they are to be believed or not) shoot up in the next few days. This will help him get his way on the truly important stuff (immigration, trade, taxes).

So, Trump attacking Syria to distract from his domestic woes and appear more presidential is now considered a brilliant move and some Nth level chess game? LOL, please, this is an old trick. Past presidents who have tried this have been harshly criticized for using military action to boost their flagging popularity and agenda, and rightly so.

Quote:When a man leads you to a great victory against seemingly impossible odds, at great personal risk, you do not abandon him at the first disagreement. Loyalty is a high virtue.

LOL. I am beginning to think that some Trump supporters are the biggest cucks out there. Like the guy who finds virtue in staying faithful to his girlfriend while she fucks everybody behind his back.

My response to libs is to remember Obama promoted peace to be elected only to kill thousands with drone strikes. War is part of the office of Prez.

Still, Trump needs to be the peace Prez that carries a big stick. We had a big military with Regan, but direct military intervention was limited to Grenada. Let's stay out of foreign entanglements and focus on National and Western Hemisphere. Would rather see intervention in Venezuela than middle east.

The Neocons are so happy today, they will push for more.

This place is #NeverTrump over a fireworks show in syria?


Assad's regime (starting with his dad and uncle) have been firmly in the anti-US camp for decades and has supported terrorism
back in oh-so cool marxist-arab nationalist days. Until Obama, Hillary, and Kerry (oh hey remember those guys) started sucking up to him to open up a pipe line he was a defacto pariah state to the west. Their accomplishments included partial occupation of Lebannon and material support for AL-qudia in iraq, hezbullah, plo, and the like.

Trump was thrown a turd, he responded by a show of strength

And for the (((OMGTHEJEWSAREEVERYWHERE))) crowd, maybe we should add a [[[iloveputineventhoughheisakgbczar]]] tag.

We have nothing to gain militarily from a pro-putin alliance. putin has undermined US policy from day one, he is helping iran get the bomb. Us dolts in flyover country that voted and campaigned for Trump want strength, not obama v2.0 spreading his ass cheeks. Much less to some tinpot dictators like putin, assad and the iranians. This does not mean we want Iraq 2.0.

We are a super power and we need to act like it. If the rest of the world doesn't like it, tough shit. Enjoy the alt-universe where chinese proto-communists are turning you into real actual slaves.

No one in the russian (speaking btw, not this export grade RT shit) media seems to be freaking out about it.

If on Monday we hear about divisions being readied for an armored thrust, then we can freak out.

Alt scenaro from all of this.

The US builds a pipeline from Quatar to the EU.
Via a newly formed, Pro-US Kurdistan.
With the explicit understanding that we have a hand on that valve.

(04-07-2017 12:52 PM)kaotic Wrote:  You guys need to chill the fuck out and stop getting your panties in a bunch.

Nothing but anxiety and panicking in the last few pages.

Jesus H. Christ.

-There is no World War III starting
-We’ve been bombing Syria for 2 years now
-We’ve had US boots on the ground in Syria for the same amount of time
-There have been chemical attacks before in Syria
-The media is playing everyone for fools and uncoupling and derailing the Trump train

The guys disavowing are fucking chumps, it’s embarrassing, and shows their true nature.

What happened to wait and see ? Did we lose this thought process after the election ?


Let start with Assad:

-He doesn’t have anything to gain by gassing his enemies, especially when he’s WINNING.
-BUT maybe he’s just a dick and decided to. (I don’t see why he would)
-A more feasible explanation is Syrian dropped munitions hit a rebel/ISIS depot that had CM’s (rational)
-It’s not farfetched to think this was indeed staged or a false operation (I’m keeping an open mind)

On Trump:
-He didn’t just decide to drop Tom’s on Syria because of pictures of a kid dying.
-He wasn’t going to sit by with his dick in his hand and not do anything.
-This was a SURGICAL strike – this wasn’t bombing the fuck out of everything.
-I agree, loyalty is important, but not blind allegiance – he IS human. (I'm not blind to this either)
-This is his FIRST show of force, he made direct decision on his own.
-He isn’t Hillary, he isn’t a shill, however, “The (((Kuschner))) Question” still stands.

On The Syrian Airfield Bombing:
-Yes it killed some soldiers, you can’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs.
-Once again, this was a SURGICAL strike, not carpet bombing.
-American radar/intel can usually tell what jets came from what base in the region.
-Intel is allegedly strong these planes came from said base (but not if they carried CW’s, which I still think is false)
-Syrian/Russian assets had warning and obviously cleared the base for the most part.
-23 of 59 Tom’s actually hit their targets – pretty low success rate in my eyes.
-Initial reports are showing relatively minor destruction and showing jets fine in bunkers.
-The runways themselves have moderate damage but look pretty reparable.
-No Radar stations/early warning/AA/SAM's seem to of been taken out.
-The above means an precursor to invasion usually.
-US isn't planning anymore air strikes.







I personally think we just all need to chill the fuck out for a day, reassess what’s going on.

Yes, I’m a little bummed that Trump did this, BUT I still have faith in the dude, he’s got 8 years brahs.

He isn’t perfect, he’s human, AND he’s got a shit ton of pressure on him on all sides.

We're all gonna make it !

Ok. Cool. It's not a big deal, say.

Do you know the best way to ensure it doesn't become a bigger deal? Loudly, furiously condemn the direction this is going in, then (internally!) chill the fuck out while on the surface continuing to snarl in rage at Trump's betrayal of his promises.

Will that ensure the MAGA agenda gets back on track? No, but it sure as hell beats getting our shit pushed in and pretending to like it because it is Trump who's doing the pushing.

Why is this so hard to understand? During the election, we actively and vigorously pushed to have Trump become president, because we wanted to MAGA. Now that Trump is president, we have to actively and vigorously push so that Trump actually implements MAGA. Just standing on the sidelines and "chilling" waiting for the cards to fall where they will would have been the wrong play to get Trump elected, and now it's equally the wrong play to get Trump to do what we want him to do. It's as simple as that, and it has nothing to do with whether we have "faith" in Trump or not.

What is funniest to me is that people (not you in this case Kaotic) are telling us to chill the fuck out, this is just Trump "A/B testing" his shit. Which is a hilariously retarded thing to say, because if you know Trump is doing A/B testing, you want to do the exact opposite of chilling out. You want to scream on the top of your lungs A and not B!!!

(04-07-2017 01:03 PM)AManLikePutin Wrote:  The Neocons are so happy today, they will push for more.

Yes it starts at 7000... Pretty soon you're up to a full scale war and in the end Americans get fucked.

(04-07-2017 01:19 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  Why is this so hard to understand? During the election, we actively and vigorously pushed to have Trump become president, because we wanted to MAGA. Now that Trump is president, we have to actively and vigorously push so that Trump actually implements MAGA. Just standing on the sidelines and "chilling" waiting for the cards to fall where they will would have been the wrong play to get Trump elected, and now it's equally the wrong play to get Trump to do what we want him to do. It's as simple as that, and it has nothing to do with whether we have "faith" in Trump or not.

What is funniest to me is that people (not you in this case Kaotic) are telling us to chill the fuck out, this is just Trump "A/B testing" his shit. Which is a hilariously retarded thing to say, because if you know Trump is doing A/B testing, you want to do the exact opposite of chilling out. You want to scream on the top of your lungs A and not B!!!

Agreed.

Here is step one.

Why the fuck is the director of the CIA a person who admited supporting communists and has a prayer rug in his office?

Compare and contrast and tell me if you see any similarities in the biographies of these people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_O._Brennan

and the original deep state

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Philby

(04-07-2017 01:03 PM)AManLikePutin Wrote:  The Neocons are so happy today, they will push for more.

Two things politicians are great at:
Spending other people's money and sending other people's children to war.

(04-07-2017 05:15 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Wow. This has been the most disappointing day in a long time for a number of reasons. I'm already growing weary of playing table-tennis with various members who I respect and enjoy the contributions of. I'm getting the sense that nothing good is going to come from speculating on this. So I'm going to drop my opinion here and leave it at that. Afterward I'll eject from the Trump threads until I see a light at the end of the tunnel, which I now contend will be never.

There has been a growing sense of dread among some of the members here about whether Trump would come through for America and in a sense for Western civilisation. There has also been a growing sense of dread about whether he ever intended to in the first place. For the record I'm in the former camp. I want to believe that he ran with the best intentions, but after the first month passed there was a window of opportunity that came and went. I missed it at the time as did most others I suspect. I only see it in hindsight.

Trump's ego has been his undoing. I understand now why the elites and their lackeys caved in and let him run wild in that first month. We all laughed and laughed about how they were in disarray, but I'm starting to believe it was quite deliberate. It gave Trump and his people the mistaken belief that they were on an unstoppable run. That they could make the MAGA omelette and that they wouldn't even have to break any eggs to do it. And in that precious month that opportunity slipped by.

That opportunity was the opportunity to tell the American people from the mouth of their own president precisely how their government was being run, by whom and for whom. At any time until the end of that month he could have exorcised the demon. Given it a name. Given it a face. Allowed the people of America and the West beyond to know their enemy. He didn't need a briefing or access to top secret documents. He only needed to say what everyone knew but couldn't force the world to acknowledge. That every strata of the American government has been systematically corrupted to create a globalist empire and an omniscient police state.

Like an exorcism the pain would have been all but unbearable. The elites would howl and lash out however they were able. But in a greater sense the minds of the American people would have been freed.

But he didn't do this and now he's trapped. That opportunity came and went. The enemy allowed him constant victories and he believed he could MAGA without having to wake the population from it's slumber. That he could wrest control of the body from the demon possessing it. But pride comes before a fall and now his opportunity has passed. If he tried to expose the deep state at this late stage then he would be ridiculed as a sore loser. A man who got a taste of the job and concocted a story to excuse his inevitable failures.

There were several members here that sounded the alarm bells early. For example, after the first month when Trump failed to take action against the antifa or against the marxist colleges. When he failed to take advantage of the plain and obvious means at his disposal to stop islamic immigration dead in its tracks. During this time I myself chose to remain blind to the fact that Trump was now caught in the elite's political quicksand, subject to a sudden need to negotiate and with each negotiation sinking deeper and deeper into impotency. "Get back on the train" we said. "4D chess" we said. Fools. We got used to winning and didn't think it would stop, but it's stopped all right. Hundreds of thousands of corrupt federal servants and the wiles of dozens of trillionaires cannot be grappled with by one man, no matter what desk he sits behind, and when he failed to get the American people in the fight by naming the demon he chose to battle those insurmountable odds by himself. A fight he was always destined to lose.

So it came and went. The last chance to name the beast. The last chance for a bloodless revolution. The last chance to restore freedom without a body count. From here on in it will be disappointment after disappointment, as surely as the sun rises. Trump will get his wall and America will get plane-loads of muslim immigrants instead of truck-loads of Mexican ones.

And by the time the next president takes his place, that wall will be used to keep Americans in, not Mexicans out.

I agree with a lot of this. I was impressed when Trump came out swinging with his inauguration speech and in the first week of office, when he seemed set to face off with the "swamp dwellers", and when he called out the media on their "fake news". But then over the last few weeks he gradually seemed to be backing off more and more. I got particularly concerned when this stupid "Russia hacked the election" story was taken seriously rather than just eliciting a response along the lines of "don't be so fucking stupid!" Now we get this. Try as I might, I can't see this as anything other than a monumental fuck up. I can't see any way of putting lipstick on this particular pig. I don't really hold with n-dimensional chess theories; I think Occam's razor is generally a better guide to reality.

What Trump has done here is completely bought into the opposition narrative. "Assad is evil", "Assad butchers his own people" etc. even though there is absolutely no reason to believe Assad was responsible for this. Why would he be? He couldn't possibly gain from it. I'm not saying Assad is an angel, but he's never come across as irrational to me. Plus pictures show "first responders" handling the victims and walking around the area without any protective equipment yet being unaffected. They wouldn't be doing that if sarin were involved. Of course if they knew it wasn't sarin, or if the whole thing was staged, that would make more sense.

So what happens now? What happens if Al Qaeda start putting barrels of poison gas in their arms dumps or if they just stage an outright false flag chemical attack? How can Trump now justify not intervening again?

As well as buying into the anti-Assad narrative, Trump has given the MSM back their credibility here. Why, after spending so long calling them out as fake news, would he be drawn into this because of bullshit stories in the media?

I'm afraid the only explanations I can come up with are either that Trump has been played for a fool or that he has been blackmailed or threatened into going along with the neocons. It's possible that his family has been threatened. Or maybe during their extensive surveillance of Trump the CIA/NSA/whoever dug up some real dirt on him. We've assumed that if they had any dirt they would have released it during the election campaign. But maybe they were confident enough that he would lose, but kept the juiciest stuff back just in case. I hate to say it, but someone as rich as Trump is very likely to have the odd skeleton or two in his closet.

Anyway, that's my 2p worth. Maybe the strike was "a fake response" as Scott Adams put it, but I don't see how you get round Trump playing into the opposition's frame. By openly endorsing the swamp-dwellers' lies, he has made himself part of the swamp.

(04-07-2017 01:16 PM)ms224 Wrote:  And for the (((OMGTHEJEWSAREEVERYWHERE))) crowd

(((Rat Priebus)))
(((Jeward Kushner)))
(((Benjamin Netanjoo4u)))

(04-07-2017 12:21 PM)RaccoonFace Wrote:  He was never going to solve all of our problems so it would be foolish of us to expect him to do so. Trump is a small guy in a far bigger picture.

The far bigger picture is where it's at.

Ultimately, this has to go beyond Trump. We need more "Trumpists" to fuck shit up in politics, the media, and popular culture. Time to start taking scalps in the mid terms.

(04-07-2017 12:56 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 01:08 AM)Polo Wrote:  In my opinion, this was a brilliant move by Trump, as has been argued by Scott Adams and others.

9. A successful military action (even if small) is a great way for a president to build political capital early in his presidency. Notice that very few politicians on either side of the aisle have said they disagree with what Trump did. Watch his approval numbers (whether they are to be believed or not) shoot up in the next few days. This will help him get his way on the truly important stuff (immigration, trade, taxes).

So, Trump attacking Syria to distract from his domestic woes and appear more presidential is now considered a brilliant move and some Nth level chess game? LOL, please, this is an old trick. Past presidents who have tried this have been harshly criticized for using military action to boost their flagging popularity and agenda, and rightly so.

Quote:When a man leads you to a great victory against seemingly impossible odds, at great personal risk, you do not abandon him at the first disagreement. Loyalty is a high virtue.

LOL. I am beginning to think that some Trump supporters are the biggest cucks out there. Like the guy who finds virtue in staying faithful to his girlfriend while she fucks everybody behind his back.

The "so" and two "LOL" tells for cognitive dissonance.

(04-07-2017 01:19 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  Do you know the best way to ensure it doesn't become a bigger deal? Loudly, furiously condemn the direction this is going in, then (internally!) chill the fuck out while on the surface continuing to snarl in rage at Trump's betrayal of his promises.

Yes. Don't disavow (yet), but do condemn. And condemn hard. He has to know his base isn't going to tolerate this for very long.

(04-07-2017 01:36 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 01:16 PM)ms224 Wrote:  And for the (((OMGTHEJEWSAREEVERYWHERE))) crowd

(((Rat Priebus)))
(((Jeward Kushner)))
(((Benjamin Netanjoo4u)))

(04-07-2017 11:15 AM)Ghost Tiger Wrote:  Brewdog, your idealistic libertarianism is clever in its memes, but it is chasing an unattainable utopia in the same manner communism chased its own unattainable utopia.

I always find it odd when someone speaks of libertarian utopias. The libertarians didn't create a massive welfare state with Social Security, Medicare, federal housing, and food stamps to ensure that no person has to ever be hungry or sick or homeless. The Democrats and Republicans made those wealth redistribution programs to try and make everyone more equal.

The libertarians don't go around the world dropping fire on people trying to force them conform to our version of freedom because, "It's for their own good. We have to help the weak become safe, so that we can then give them food, clean water, medical care, and schools."

And then there's the matter of taking two completely polar opposite political ideologies and comparing them. The libertarians want to be like the communists? I could make a better argument that the Republicans are more akin to communists. Medicare Plan B, anyone? Free medicine?

I think some people don't understand what libertarianism means. Libertarians just want to be left alone. All I ask of my fellow citizen is to stay out of my yard and don't steal my shit. Just mind your own business and I'll mind mine. There's nothing Utopian about that.

(04-07-2017 01:19 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  Ok. Cool. It's not a big deal, say.

Do you know the best way to ensure it doesn't become a bigger deal? Loudly, furiously condemn the direction this is going in, then (internally!) chill the fuck out while on the surface continuing to snarl in rage at Trump's betrayal of his promises.

Will that ensure the MAGA agenda gets back on track? No, but it sure as hell beats getting our shit pushed in and pretending to like it because it is Trump who's doing the pushing.

Why is this so hard to understand? During the election, we actively and vigorously pushed to have Trump become president, because we wanted to MAGA. Now that Trump is president, we have to actively and vigorously push so that Trump actually implements MAGA. Just standing on the sidelines and "chilling" waiting for the cards to fall where they will would have been the wrong play to get Trump elected, and now it's equally the wrong play to get Trump to do what we want him to do. It's as simple as that, and it has nothing to do with whether we have "faith" in Trump or not.

What is funniest to me is that people (not you in this case Kaotic) are telling us to chill the fuck out, this is just Trump "A/B testing" his shit. Which is a hilariously retarded thing to say, because if you know Trump is doing A/B testing, you want to do the exact opposite of chilling out. You want to scream on the top of your lungs A and not B!!!

I'll assume you're talking to me. Look, I really appreciate your passion and enthusiasm for MAGA... I agree with you that we should be vocal and hold Trump to a high standard.

If Trump decides to be George Bush 2.0 and restructure the Middle East i'll say you were right, and stand right beside you and shout this down.

The point is, we really don't know if A or B is the better option yet. It's too soon to scream yourself into a frenzy over either option here so far. The Global Chessboard is a game older than all of us, and it takes more time than a few hours to gain perspective on what these kinds of actions mean for us all in the future.

(04-07-2017 01:27 PM)zigZag Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 01:03 PM)AManLikePutin Wrote:  The Neocons are so happy today, they will push for more.

Yes it starts at 7000... Pretty soon you're up to a full scale war and in the end Americans get fucked.

Are US soldiers allies here? If they join and fight the good guys, are they the good guys? History is full of revolutions where people said no and turned on their leaders.

Trump is playing 10 dimensional tiddly winks. Nothing to see here.

(04-07-2017 01:19 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  Ok. Cool. It's not a big deal, say.

Didn't say that, this was a very important turn of events.

Quote:Do you know the best way to ensure it doesn't become a bigger deal? Loudly, furiously condemn the direction this is going in, then (internally!) chill the fuck out while on the surface continuing to snarl in rage at Trump's betrayal of his promises.

I don't think it's a "betrayal" but the absolute emotinal meltdowns on the last few pages are hilarious and aren't helpful.

When I say chill the fuck out, I mean act RATIONALLY not EMOTIONALLY (Angry).

Wait and see a day or two for the current events to fully unfold and get more information.

Quote:Will that ensure the MAGA agenda gets back on track? No, but it sure as hell beats getting our shit pushed in and pretending to like it because it is Trump who's doing the pushing.

Trump isn't fucking anyone over. Yes, I completely understand that guys who didn't want anymore intervention are mad.

Quote:Why is this so hard to understand? During the election, we actively and vigorously pushed to have Trump become president, because we wanted to MAGA. Now that Trump is president, we have to actively and vigorously push so that Trump actually implements MAGA. Just standing on the sidelines and "chilling" waiting for the cards to fall where they will would have been the wrong play to get Trump elected, and now it's equally the wrong play to get Trump to do what we want him to do. It's as simple as that, and it has nothing to do with whether we have "faith" in Trump or not.

I don't think he forgot MAGA, here in my own state, they're getting ready to build examples of the walls, Sacramento is triggered and is trying to shame bidders and construction companies by making a black list.

Immigration is down substantially for the first time in 17 years.

Job numbers look great in the last report.

Gorsuch just got confirmed by the senate for SCOTUS.

I'd say that's pretty high energy and MAGA man.

Quote:What is funniest to me is that people (not you in this case Kaotic) are telling us to chill the fuck out, this is just Trump "A/B testing" his shit. Which is a hilariously retarded thing to say, because if you know Trump is doing A/B testing, you want to do the exact opposite of chilling out. You want to scream on the top of your lungs A and not B!!!

No offense take either way brother !

I don't think this is A/B shit testing or any game comparison.

This is super real world political shit.

I think he'll be alright and this will wash over.

(04-07-2017 01:16 PM)ms224 Wrote:  This place is #NeverTrump over a fireworks show in syria?

It's almost as if you haven't read what people are typing. If many of us thought this was going to be a one-time bombing of runways with little collateral damage, we wouldn't be as concerned.

Problem is that's hardly the story here.

1) It appears the missile attack was in response to a false flag. If Trump can get hoodwinked that easily, that's a problem going forward.

2) Tillerson is putting together a coalition to take out Assad.

3) We're needlessly provoking Russia over the apparent false flag. What happened to Trump wanting to take out ISIS with Russia? Now he's supporting ISIS while going against Russia.

4) The removal of a Middle Eastern dictator a) is something Trump ran against as b) it's blown up in our faces every single last time we've done it.

5) There's a reason ISIS is celebrating today. Trump just took out resources used to fight them. And that's the real problem here looking forward. Removal of Assad doesn't end with some peace loving president put in his place, it ends with even worse extremist elements gaining control, turning Syria into a failed state and jihad haven.

(04-07-2017 10:37 AM)DamienCasanova Wrote:  If anyone else has noticed, Trump has been meeting with the Kings of Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia etc and formed a Middle East "Freedom" coalition with Israel, Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, UAE etc. So this isn't coming out of nowhere, he's been setting up something like this for a while, trying to bring peace to the region and acting on the interests of the majority of peaceful countries in the region. Like Libertas said, the confirmation bias for some of you is astounding to see in real time. Those brahs who have a hard-on for all things (((Jewish))) have finally been triggered, and it's been amazing to see the over-the-top reactions.

Sure I understand some of the immediate reaction, but none of us keyboard jockeys really know what's going on yet, so before jumping off the Train let's just wait and see how things play out before we all condemn Trump as part of a secret Mossad Scheme the Jooz have been planning for 2 decades to start WW3 through Jared Kushner.

Saudi Arabia and Israel are "peaceful"? Hmmm ... I must have not been paying attention ...

(04-06-2017 08:21 PM)MMX2010 Wrote:  Breaking news right now, as discussed on Tucker Carlson Tonight.

The United States, under orders from President Trump, has launched approximately 43 Tomahawk missiles on one (or possibly two) air bases in Syria. Those air bases were being used to store chemical weapons.

Tomahawk missiles are designed to avoid Russian casualties, as compared to air strikes.

..snip..

Those Tomahawks are kind of end of shelf now and needed to be used up. You could put them in the bin, but using them and them proving their 'effectiveness' looks good for buying a few more.

This is a propaganda proxy war - no one was going to send in US fighter jets with the serious batteries of SS-300/400 whatevers the Russians have on the ground for the 'big one'. Whether they would have even used them is debatable. They probably would have just let them bomb the crap out of a section of the country. To shoot down a US fighter jet/bomber would be politically imprudent.

Still, there was no way in hell that the US would risk that over a small potato war like this. For the domestic audience to hear of a fighter/bomber pilot losing his life would have been a bridge too far. It just wasn't worth it. Tomahawks done the job they were designed for. More on order now. All is good. See General Smedley Butler's opinion on it all.

I said last week on a more war orientated forum that a new world war would be starting in a few days or weeks. The whole lot was just ripe, and I was right. So many things brought to boiling point. So many questions that can not be allowed to answered. It was time.

On top of that. I have even greater psychic abilities it would seem. As I made my afternoon tea and turned the computer on, I said to myself: ah so it is Terrorist Friday. No terrorist every does anything on a Monday. It is time for that as well. And I was right. Sweden.

Now, I don't really believe I am psychic. I'm not even that well informed. But I do have a bit more time on my hands compared to the average Jo. There is a pattern developing here.

Looks like Zelcorpion was right all along. Trump got the horse's head on the bed. I feel for him. Now POTUS stands for 'Puppet of the Underground State'.

I think this will blow over. It's a major demoralisation exercise. Meant to not just split the Trump camp apart, but to mock those that voted for him, and to give fuel to those that will say 'see, we told you he was a big orange meanie'.

I must say though, even though I could feel major war in the air. I didn't think it would come from Trump, I thought it would be Turkey or something. But don't be too hard on Trump, this was not his decision.

Russia will eat shit on this, to do otherwise would be silly. But the US war-hawks knew that. They will keep getting away with it as well, up to the point when they don't. I'm ashamed to see the UK condoning this.

This was a hit job. A set up. And more than that, the whole world said so before it happened. The internet is getting out of hand. We all need to be taught a lesson and know our place. This was to teach us all that we know nothing, we have no power, and then we can just bicker among ourselves. Forget Syria, forget Russia. This is pure psyops.