I'm not sure if I can support Trump anymore now that he wants war with Syria.

(04-05-2017 03:49 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  He cannot jail her. He does not have that power.

Congress needs to investigate it. If they find wrong doing, Nunes will then submit his findings to Comey and formally ask the FBI to investigate whether a crime was committed. Then if the FBI finds that the congressional statute was indeed broken and a felony was committed, they will then pass their findings over to the DOJ with a recommendation to prosecute. The DOJ will do their due diligence and if they find that to be the case, they will formally charge her and whoever her accomplice(s) was in breaking the law. The FBI, or Federal Marshals can go and book the suspects. They will likely make bail, the rest you should know.

I think that you are loosing sight of the essence of my argument and getting bogged down in procedure. Yes, of course, Trump is not a dictator. He must follow certain procedures. As long as people get prosecuted and they go to jail, when they have not been, that is all that matters. No slaps on the wrist or other token punishments.

(04-05-2017 03:42 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 03:32 PM)Going strong Wrote:  I heard that this decision is motivated by the fact that (according to most key players and witnesses) Kevin McAleenan was very efficient in implementing anti-terror strategies, especially after September Eleven... So, it teaches us, first of all: that Obama (or Bush) actually nominated one efficient man, for a change (and exception), to spearhead the anti-terror fight - and the reason for this, certainly, is that Obama wanted to have his hands free for the other, sinister agenda, he had in mind for America and the world (Obama wanted to destroy the Western world through -legal in the case of the US, illegal in the case of Europe- immigration, not terrorism; Obama was too clever to use terrorism, when weaponized mass-migrations are much more useful)...

Still, it will understandably worry the hard-working, Conservative, political base of D. Trump, so, let's hope that President Trump will soon give new reasons to cheer to his most loyal supporters. Hopefully, by going, hard, after the deep-State moles on Saudi-payroll that still abound?..

To sum it up: Maybe keeping McAleenan is a way of saying: I will not witch-hunt Obama appointees, I will keep the few good ones (2% of ex-Obama staff), and only jail or fire the bad apples (the 98% others)...

You know, Obama hired plenty of Republicans during his tenure. More than Bush did with Democrats if I recall correctly. Hell his Chief Justice nominee was a moderate Republican. He loved impressive resumes over party affiliation. That's a blessing in disguise possibly.

We cannot get too overhyped to drain the entire government. That's just silly. We are not European, nor do we even have a parliament system. We do not have a prime minister or a queen/king that can dissolve the entire government and force everyone to hold elections or re-apply for their jobs.

Obama once said government change is like a barge turning around in a ship channel. He's right about that. It cannot be that fast.

Lol. Yes, let's not drain the swamp. "That's just silly." Let's keep the deep state that lingers in power from administration to administration.

Are you just trolling us now?

(04-05-2017 03:54 PM)durangotang Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 03:49 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  He cannot jail her. He does not have that power.

Congress needs to investigate it. If they find wrong doing, Nunes will then submit his findings to Comey and formally ask the FBI to investigate whether a crime was committed. Then if the FBI finds that the congressional statute was indeed broken and a felony was committed, they will then pass their findings over to the DOJ with a recommendation to prosecute. The DOJ will do their due diligence and if they find that to be the case, they will formally charge her and whoever her accomplice(s) was in breaking the law. The FBI, or Federal Marshals can go and book the suspects. They will likely make bail, the rest you should know.

I think that you are loosing sight of the essence of my argument and getting bogged down in procedure. Yes, of course, Trump is not a dictator. He must follow certain procedures. As long as people get prosecuted and they go to jail, when they have not been, that is all that matters. No slaps on the wrist or other token punishments.

You cannot assign blame to him, that is outside of his control either. That's crazy. You have to respect the process because that is how our government works brother.

The only thing you can blame him for in this chain of procedure is if that clown, James Comey cocks up the investigation and hampers the agents work by casting shade on it, allowing defense lawyers to build a nasty defense.

I have been saying for months he needed to ask him to resign. If Comey refused to resign, at least no pressure would be on Trump. Congress could try and remove Comey but that is not worth discussing. Too unlikely unless something bad happens, but not a ridiculous notion. Several Dems still hate his guts for costing Hillary the election (because it cost them promotions). Several of them would still want payback to humiliate Comey even if it hurts Rice.

(04-05-2017 03:41 PM)rockoman Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 03:24 PM)durangotang Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 03:14 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  How do we know that guy wasn't just following orders under Obama? This story makes no sense because alot of context is missing. They make it seem like he created those programs, when only a fool would think that. Sometimes, some folks are the most qualified for the job, but their boss forces them to follow an agenda.

So far ICE is doing alot of work and the border situation is improving. Trump and his advisors might be giving this guy a chance under new rules to see what he can do. The grunts in the field hating their boss, when the old CEO was the real dick head is typical worker complaint stuff.

I think I need more context or to see failings before I condemn anyone over this guy.

If Border Patrol feels humiliated and demoralized that's all that I need to hear - and for what? An Obama appointee? They were a key early ally for Trump and perform a vital job!

Drain the fucking swamp!

And speaking of draining the swamp, there needs to be prosecutions for those in prior administrations! I am so sick of reading about the IRS targeting political groups, operation Fast & Furious, a slush fund for political groups paid with fine money (billions of dollars), illegal spying, illegal email servers, and illegal wars without anyone EVER going to jail.

If Trump doesn't start throwing these sons of bitches in jail and restore the rule of law, then we're toast.

Jail. Fucking jail.

If we went after the neocons for their illegal wars and shredding the constitution, I doubt Obama and Hillary would have carried on. Their behavior was the result of a moral hazard created by failing to uphold the rule of law. Now if we don't go after the prior administration for their laundry list of crimes, when does it ever end?

Yes. Trump also said today that he thinks Susan Rice may have committed crimes. Well then, if that is so then I expect some kind of commission of inquiry at the very least, to be followed eventually by court action, with Rice going to prison if convicted.

Or - are laws only for the plebs?

I agree: https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-59247...pid1541028

I think that President Trump will soon have to make a (valid and game-changing) point -and in the process, appease his base of Conservative, God-fearing and law-abiding supporters-, by jailing the most corrupted and felonious of the seditious Leftists who are currently destabilizing the USA... For example, jail Saudi-spy Huma, and a bunch of BLM urban terrorists, plus a handful of MSM journalists-turned-communist-activists (those calling in their papers for violence and breach of peace; which are actionable offenses, crimes actually).

(04-05-2017 03:58 PM)durangotang Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 03:42 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 03:32 PM)Going strong Wrote:  I heard that this decision is motivated by the fact that (according to most key players and witnesses) Kevin McAleenan was very efficient in implementing anti-terror strategies, especially after September Eleven... So, it teaches us, first of all: that Obama (or Bush) actually nominated one efficient man, for a change (and exception), to spearhead the anti-terror fight - and the reason for this, certainly, is that Obama wanted to have his hands free for the other, sinister agenda, he had in mind for America and the world (Obama wanted to destroy the Western world through -legal in the case of the US, illegal in the case of Europe- immigration, not terrorism; Obama was too clever to use terrorism, when weaponized mass-migrations are much more useful)...

Still, it will understandably worry the hard-working, Conservative, political base of D. Trump, so, let's hope that President Trump will soon give new reasons to cheer to his most loyal supporters. Hopefully, by going, hard, after the deep-State moles on Saudi-payroll that still abound?..

To sum it up: Maybe keeping McAleenan is a way of saying: I will not witch-hunt Obama appointees, I will keep the few good ones (2% of ex-Obama staff), and only jail or fire the bad apples (the 98% others)...

You know, Obama hired plenty of Republicans during his tenure. More than Bush did with Democrats if I recall correctly. Hell his Chief Justice nominee was a moderate Republican. He loved impressive resumes over party affiliation. That's a blessing in disguise possibly.

We cannot get too overhyped to drain the entire government. That's just silly. We are not European, nor do we even have a parliament system. We do not have a prime minister or a queen/king that can dissolve the entire government and force everyone to hold elections or re-apply for their jobs.

Obama once said government change is like a barge turning around in a ship channel. He's right about that. It cannot be that fast.

Lol. Yes, let's not drain the swamp. "That's just silly." Let's keep the deep state that lingers in power from administration to administration.

Are you just trolling us now?

No but your childlike reasoning and inability to understand simple logic is trolling.

You certainly have alot of passion for politics, but do you actually know anything about how our government works? I'm not talking about internet articles talking about action and theories. I am talking about real world application here.

This is about more than appeasing his base. This is about restoring the rule of law.

Alert from Alex Jones...
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Wednesday, April 5: Bannon Out at White House – Trump advisor Steve Bannon has been stripped of security clearance in a shake-up at the White House. Additionally, China is threatening nuclear war with the US in a situation that’s shaping up to be worse than the Cuban Missile Crisis. We also cover how the US is running out of non-military options on dealing with North Korea. DC insider Doug Hagmann explains what this all means. Geopolitical expert Joel Skousen explains the major triggers for war. Also, Infowars reporter Millie Weaver covers the police raids against pedo rings going on right now. Tune in!

Phocking Chinese are in league with the NKor commie Obamunists... Threatening the USA with nuke war??? They think they are being devious but are just being DUMB... Why ... Their population centers are very dense and located in a narrow band of coastline and rivers... Easy targets to knock them out for the next 100+ years.

- Unprecedented surge of arrests by ICE not seen in decades
- Push to broaden the use of expedited removal proceedings
- Judges being reassigned to help process more deportations
- Border Patrol now enforcing the law to fullest, shackles removed
- Attorney General directly threatening Sanctuary Cities with punitive action
- Two executive orders issued to shut down entry of enrichers
- A dozen other small things


"Not sure if Trump even really cares about immigration"

(04-05-2017 03:49 PM)durangotang Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 03:42 PM)Enigma Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 03:38 PM)durangotang Wrote:  The fact that it came from Breitbart should tell you something.

Breitbart has been shaky for months, not sure where you've been.

It's not exactly the NYT. The fact that they are publishing this signals to me that Bannon is unhappy with the pick. This isn't just any issue, this is the core issue of the campaign - immigration. Either way, if Border Patrol feels betrayed, not good, and not worth an Obama appointee. If this turns out to be gossip, or fake news, and the Border Patrol is happy with the pick, I'll change my mind.

Bannon doesn't run Breitbart. And as I pointed out earlier, there are two competing factions within Breitbart.

Cernovich tweeted about it earlier today.

I'm not saying it's necessarily fake news, but people need to stop freaking out about a few anonymous quotes in a 500 word article.

(04-05-2017 03:34 PM)Gaston Wrote:  This seems beyond oneitis, irrational exhuberance more like it.

I was ready to give him the benefit of the doubt,

I was prepared to overlook his incessant satanic hand gestures,
his distressed-looking wife that often seems like an unwilling prisoner of some cult,
his weird and scare-mongering inauguration language ("carnage in the American streets") written by (((Steve Miller))),
his Obama leftovers,
his cabinet and household full of Jews and neocons,
his Israel-cucking,
his upping of the military "offense" budget,
etc. etc.

but he lost me the moment he quietly singed away the last vestige of formal Internet privacy (ISP records history bill) because I know that the Panopticon-type surveillance of population is No. 1 obsession/component of the elite rule.

The man is a Freemason for God's sake, do you even know what that means, and where his allegiances are? It's not with little people, it's the opposite of that.

I was with you up until this point. Where does it say that he's a freemason?

(04-05-2017 04:05 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  No but your childlike reasoning and inability to understand simple logic is trolling.

You certainly have alot of passion for politics, but do you actually know anything about how our government works? I'm not talking about internet articles talking about action and theories. I am talking about real world application here.

Childlike reasoning? Do I know anything about how our government works?

What does that even mean TravelerKai?

I am making a basic point that the Trump administration needs to restore the rule of law and see to it that federal employees (among others) are held accountable for their crimes. Does he not have a Department of Justice? Does he not have a large ability to hire and fire as he sees fit?

You reply with snobbish responses while getting bogged down in procedure, because apparently you really know how government works, and it's "just silly" to think of making any real changes.

I am not impressed.

(04-05-2017 04:09 PM)Deepdiver Wrote:  Trump advisor Steve Bannon has been stripped of security clearance

More fake news.

(04-05-2017 03:50 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 03:49 PM)Going strong Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 03:37 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 03:32 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  http://forward.com/fast-forward/361591/s...-kushners/

Quote:George Soros has been a fierce critic of President Donald Trump, denouncing him at a recent conference in Switzerland as a “would-be dictator.” But that doesn’t mean he’s above doing business with the president’s in-laws — the billionaire investor is said to have given $250 million in credit to Jared Kushner and Joshua Kushner’s real estate startup Cadre.

Isn't that just great.

Kushner is not only a close family pal of Benjamin Netanyahu but also in business with George Soros.

And you say jews are not working as an international cabal, is anyone still not redpilled on this issue?

I mean, dammit, you couldn't have invented more of a jewish subversive than Kushner if you tried, a man in business with Soros himself and a family friend of the Israeli president.

The Israeli president (being fiercely nationalist, militarist, and an implacable protector of militarized borders) is the antithesis of what Soros advocates. I mean, the antithesis of the policies promoted by Soros throughout the world.

If you knew middle-class Israelis living in Israel, you'd know there aren't more right-wing nationalists than them. Their favored -and strongly implemented- ideologies are, at least within Israel, totally anti-Soros.

Does Soros attempt to get open borders for Israel?

No, because the Mossad would kill him.

Now, do you blame the Israelis when the CIA (or the Russian, British -remember the pound?- or French intelligence services) do not dare issue a "wet order" or whatever on Soros?

I mean, our "Christian" services should deal with Soros, by issuing a beyond-salvage order on him. They don't... Is it the fault of the "bad Jewish people", or is it because we Christians have become pussies (from a position of absolute power, on top of that!)?

I mean, talk with some average or above-average Israeli man or woman, about Soros, they'll tell you: "if he had fucked with Israel or the Shekel the way he fucked with you and the pound, we (as in, the Mossad) would have (edited) him long ago. Why don't you? Do what you have to do, stop blaming the Jews"

Note: by the way, today the Hungarian government fucked Soros right in the... wallet, by using a technicality (linked to the language in use) to block and remove the seditious, globalist university Soros had funded in Hungary! should be worth its own thread...

Even European mainstream media now reporting that Assad has no motive and it might as well be the insurgents. One day after the fact. No one is buying this.

Trump is going to look really foolish after this.

I'll come back when you guys are off your man-periods and "sky-is-falling" mindsets, which will probably be about 48 hours and after Gorsuch's appointment.

(04-05-2017 04:15 PM)durangotang Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 04:05 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  No but your childlike reasoning and inability to understand simple logic is trolling.

You certainly have alot of passion for politics, but do you actually know anything about how our government works? I'm not talking about internet articles talking about action and theories. I am talking about real world application here.

Childlike reasoning? Do I know anything about how our government works?

What does that even mean TravelerKai?

I am making a basic point that the Trump administration needs to restore the rule of law and see to it that federal employees (among others) are held accountable for their crimes. Does he not have a Department of Justice? Does he not have a large ability to hire and fire as he sees fit?

You reply with snobbish responses while getting bogged down in procedure, because apparently you really know how government works, and it's "just silly" to think of making any real changes.

I am not impressed.

I guess your ability to be impressed is tied in with your ability to learn as well. You need to take the time to read how the various departments in our government works. Presidents have limited powers. They do not arrest anyone nor can they technically ask the FBI or US Marshals to arrest someone. Some things we do not have the luxury of time to spoon feed to people like you with negative attitudes.

If you have questions after you read up and get caught up I would be more than willing to assist you. If all else fails, I could write it for you in your mirror with my finger, because I am certain you could fog it up pretty easily with that mouth or yours.

(04-05-2017 04:36 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  I guess your ability to be impressed is tied in with your ability to learn as well. You need to take the time to read how the various departments in our government works. Presidents have limited powers. They do not arrest anyone nor can they technically ask the FBI or US Marshals to arrest someone. Some things we do not have the luxury of time to spoon feed to people like you with negative attitudes.

If you have questions after you read up and get caught up I would be more than willing to assist you. If all else fails, I could write it for you in your mirror with my finger, because I am certain you could fog it up pretty easily with that mouth or yours.

For the sake of other forum members, I'll let you have the last word, because this is derailing the thread.

Even if Trump is weak on foreign policy, that won't hurt him if he gets the economy roaring again and seals up the border.

1. Trade + Jobs
2. Border protection

So far it's all good on both of these fronts, so I'm not very worried right now.

(04-05-2017 05:04 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Even if Trump is weak on foreign policy, that won't hurt him if he gets the economy roaring again and seals up the border.

1. Trade + Jobs
2. Border protection

So far it's all good on both of these fronts, so I'm not very worried right now.

Agreed 100%. We have not had a strong domestic policy president in a very, very long time.

I think the fake polls will be busted yet again at re-election if these job reports and economic growth get better. I am confident he will lower taxes as well and deliver on that.

The only two things that will ruin his presidency right now would be:

1. No healthcare solution/bill
2. A surprise war with N Korea

The country would not do well at all, jobs or growth wise, if either happened. Is it possible that we could get another WW2 effect from a war with Nkorea? Maybe, but people forget that alot of folks back then sacrificed alot and did not complain much back then. Today generations just aren't like that.

This election was about domestic righting of the ship. The foreign policy stuff can get fucked until we sort the home front first.

And if it fails it will be a familiar headline "baby boomer father tries to appease his feminists daughters unrealistic whims and his world collapses around him"

Also, there is a LOT of swamp draining going on you guys don't even know about.

A low-post member sent me this video a few weeks ago:





Obama's administration had an aggressive UN Agenda 21 program going on across the USA.

Energy sector jobs were being consolidated under special regional "comittees" who would decide how much energy could be spent in each sector, how and when new plants could be opened, etc, at all attempts to "fight global warming," and create "sustainable committees."

In other words, population control of rural people. The ideal world of the Left is everyone living in cities like rats.

The cities are then made into sterile environments where you can fuck all you want but the odds of children happening are close to 0. See Roosh's podcast, "Are nighttime women sterile?" (I forgot the exact title).

Trump's administration killed literally every one of these regional committees. UN's Agenda 21 was killed very quietly without fanfare, but this indeed a very positive development of President Trump. Steps like this keep sovereignty in our hands and out of global bureaucrats.

This is also good news for the guys who don't want to see the White race disappear, because Whites are more naturally rural compared to other races, and approximately 65% of the USA's white population lives in rural areas. Hurting rural communities growth by controlled the energy supply with special federal regional UN committees would have hurt the White US population, although by how much I can not be sure. Probably would have done serious damage, which is why the UN Agenda 21 was all for it.

I highly recommend watching the full video, it seems a little long at 18 min but in reality it's packed with amazing information.

(04-05-2017 05:16 PM)greekgod Wrote:  This election was about domestic righting of the ship. The foreign policy stuff can get fucked until we sort the home front first.

And if it fails it will be a familiar headline "baby boomer father tries to appease his feminists daughters unrealistic whims and his world collapses around him"

I sure hope you are being sarcastic on this.

Aggressive foreign policy is what is fucking the world and US up, do you not see this?

^thats what I'm saying, table it until the domestic is shored up.

No point in playing GI foreign entanglement while Michigan, which went red for Trump's jobs platform, twists in the wind.

So Russia wins Syria. Does that collapse the petrodollar? Probably not but I'd rather we risk that rachet up the war dogs.

I don't know enough about North Korea to comment but if they are China's bulldog than rebuilding some of America's manufacturing base does a lot more to weaken China than taking out their #1 pawn.

My overarching point is this was about healing the American dream as best you can. Nothing else matters.

Everyone in this thread right now:



What everyone needs to do: