^ Also let's not forget to capitalise Old Media so it becomes part of popular lexicon as a new term for them, rather than as a descriptor.

No longer should fake news bear the title of "Mainstream Media".

What's with all this talk of secession?

Not one Goddamned inch will America give up to the SJW Borg collective. There are those who can be turned to the light- Let the other's be cast out to the dark lands of not-America. Preserve the Union!

(12-20-2016 08:30 AM)Gmac Wrote:  

(12-20-2016 08:30 AM)Gmac Wrote:  

This is the danger of the popular vote in the USA, imagine the people on the Clinton archipelago getting to decide what the rest of the country do.

Democrats has become a coast and big city party

California: Paradise lost.

There used to be the notion if you chopped the state in two along the straight line that runs from San Luis Obispo-Monterey Counties straight east to the NV border that the GOP would've been competitive, but that's gone now. Understand that just ONE county out of the 10 below that line in the South voted for Trump (Kern). Of the remaining 48 counties in the north, precisely half (24) voted for Trump and the other for Clinton. But the most populated counties along the coast (all but rural Del Norte, which went 55% for Trump) and a good chunk of the interior counties in the San Joaquin Valley all went heavily for Clinton. Only the rural/desert areas, the Sierra Foothills went for Trump (and 3 of those have already fallen to the Dems, rural Alpine, Mono and growing suburban corridor Nevada Cos.).

Of the 13.1 million votes cast (so far, and I'm sure more than a few of those are illegal and fraudulent), about 7.5 million were cast in Southern CA in the aforementioned 10 counties and the remaining 5.6 million in the Northern 48 counties. Roughly rounding the numbers, Trump got somewhere in the vicinity of 1.6+ million while the remaining 3.9+ million went to Hillary and the others. So, in fact, Trump, despite carrying half of those northern counties, got a lower % of the vote (about 29%) there than he did in Southern CA or statewide (which was 32%).

Unless you wanted a state that resembled Massachusetts (as Northern California would, even with all those GOP counties), there's no way the GOP would ever carry it as long as the present voting demographics hold. You'd only succeed in giving CA 2 more ultraleftist Senators (well, in this case, Harris and Feinstein would remain the NoCal Senators and L.A. would sent 2 new moonbats). You'd have to divide the state east and west, from the interior and Sierra Foothills of the San Joaquin Valley. For that matter, you might as well give those counties to make an enlarged Nevada, stretching to the Pacific at Del Norte, or joining with the counties outside of the Black Hole of Portland, that "Jefferson" idea. In any event, this is what the dynamics are at present in maps for the 2016 elections (with the proper colors of RED for Commie Dems and BLUE for Trump GOP).

   

California: Paradise lost, part 2.

Contrast with how badly the state has been "Communized" by the Marxist-Stalinist Democrats, this was Reagan's 1980 landslide in the state where he carried 55 of 58 counties, losing only the moonbat Alameda, San Francisco & Yolo (UC-Davis) counties (now down to just 25 of 58 under Trump). Frightening.

   

Your maps are reversed!!! ^^^

(12-20-2016 10:53 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  Your maps are reversed!!! ^^^

No. I use RED for Communists and BLUE for GOP. I explain this in part 1^^.

Edit: Just bolded that text in part 1.

(12-20-2016 10:58 AM)YossariansRight Wrote:  

(12-20-2016 10:53 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  Your maps are reversed!!! ^^^

No. I use RED for Communists and BLUE for GOP. I explain this in part 1^^.

Doesn't make any sense to me. I'm a red blooded God fearing American. Not a blue skinned commie!

After Berlin and Zurich.....





31 days.

(12-19-2016 01:33 AM)Wutang Wrote:  Today is when the electors will formally make their votes. It's not normally something I would be pay attention to but with so many people still irrationally expecting that there's gonna be some sort of wide spread rebellion in the elector's college it's gonna be sweet seeing yet another leftist failure before 2016 ends. Trump said that we were gonna be tired of winning but the real question should be if the left is tired of losing yet. They don't seem to be. Losing the election was already bad enough but they keep insistent embarking on these hopeless causes such as blowing tons of money on recounts in 3 states to no avail and even giving Trump extra votes in Wisconsin and in desperately begging GOP electors to turn against Trump.

On the one hand, these tactics are being done to discredit Trump and undermine his presidency before it even starts which is not positive. But I'm wondering if it'll backfire considering how desperate anti-Trump forces are coming across with all these Hail Mary tactics. It reminds me of lot of the other attacks they were throwing at Trump through out both the primary and general elections and how they pretty much numbed the public to the point that Trump alway managed to shrug them off even if they did some damage initially (Boy Who Cries Wolf effect). I know I was getting a bit worried with all the Russia stuff since there's a really big concentrated push on it right now from the anti-Trump coalition but then I remembered I was getting worried with the Richard Spencer stuff which eventually came to naught.

Quoting myself cause there's something I wanted to add to the original post. Like I said before, I was worried about how a lot of these attempts to delegitimize Trump are gonna taint his presidency but I thought that were an upside it. There's another upside that I didn't mention before. When these people pull these sort of stunts and not only do they fail but they fail spectrally such as the recounts not only reinforcing the results but giving Trump more votes in MI or the attempts to get mass amount of GOP electors to vote for someone besides Trump not only did not result in that but ended with more Hillary electors defecting then Trump ones it reinforces in the public mind that people like that are not only failures but totally incompetent.

(12-20-2016 10:49 AM)YossariansRight Wrote:  California: Paradise lost, part 2.

Contrast with how badly the state has been "Communized" by the Marxist-Stalinist Democrats, this was Reagan's 1980 landslide in the state where he carried 55 of 58 counties, losing only the moonbat Alameda, San Francisco & Yolo (UC-Davis) counties (now down to just 25 of 58 under Trump). Frightening.

This is why the left's long march through the institutions must be stopped.

If it not, it doesn't matter if entire left coast and New England would secede, the rest of the country will turn communist.
Not an inch must be surrendered, an antidote must be found.

In 2008 VA turned democrat. In 2013, CO turned democrat. NC was considered a swing state this election. NH voted democrat.

43.2% of TX voted for Hillary. Think about this. This is Texas we're talking about here!

If this continues, you can kiss your freedom goodbye.

Probably even more than the immigration issue, Trump will have to find a way to turn the cities to the right side, otherwise we are doomed.

Always time for shitposting.

I'm hesitant to link to Vanity Fair but they had a good article today about the struggle between GOP cucks and Trump loyalists like Bannon. The author said at this point in time it looks like the loyalists are a bit ahead right now with the evidence being that Puzder releasing a statement that "read like a hostage video" about how he was committed to offer jobs to Americans first and Trump's recent victory rally in Wisconsin where he put Paul Ryan on notice right in front of his home state.

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/12/t...threat-yet

(12-20-2016 01:36 PM)MOVSM Wrote:  

(12-20-2016 10:49 AM)YossariansRight Wrote:  California: Paradise lost, part 2.

Contrast with how badly the state has been "Communized" by the Marxist-Stalinist Democrats, this was Reagan's 1980 landslide in the state where he carried 55 of 58 counties, losing only the moonbat Alameda, San Francisco & Yolo (UC-Davis) counties (now down to just 25 of 58 under Trump). Frightening.

This is why the left's long march through the institutions must be stopped.

If it not, it doesn't matter if entire left coast and New England would secede, the rest of the country will turn communist.
Not an inch must be surrendered, an antidote must be found.

In 2008 VA turned democrat. In 2013, CO turned democrat. NC was considered a swing state this election. NH voted democrat.

43.2% of TX voted for Hillary. Think about this. This is Texas we're talking about here!

If this continues, you can kiss your freedom goodbye.

Probably even more than the immigration issue, Trump will have to find a way to turn the cities to the right side, otherwise we are doomed.

This can be countered a number of ways:

1. Deport the illegals. They make up massive voter blocks of democrat voters, and act as a wealth transfer via taxes, social programs and prison costs from conservative people to these leeches. They have to go.
2. Get rid of Syrians, Somalians and other assorted trouble makers that all vote democrat. Out, out, out!
3. Push hard on a Federal level for school choice. Take away the indoctrination centers' power, and you don't lose the next generation of minds to the leftist thugs.
4. Get married and have kids. Not an easy sell on this forum given all we know about the risks. Still, game-aware men have a much better chance than your average beta schlub about what makes LTR game work. If we want a conservative nation worth defending, we have to have the kids to combat all the liberals having kids or importing kids. This is non-negotiable if you want a long-term victory, and not a short-term one regarding Trump. Trump is a once and done if we don't give him and others like him a future flank of young voters who can turn the tide.
5. Stop supporting left-wing companies. Boycott them and tell your friends. Spend your money with allies.

Rinse and repeat.

Nice piece from Vanity Fair. It's interesting to see the internal thought struggle between the establishment and the Trumpism. Time will tell who comes out on top.

Quote:4. Get married and have kids. Not an easy sell on this forum given all we know about the risks. Still, game-aware men have a much better chance than your average beta schlub about what makes LTR game work. If we want a conservative nation worth defending, we have to have the kids to combat all the liberals having kids or importing kids. This is non-negotiable if you want a long-term victory, and not a short-term one regarding Trump. Trump is a once and done if we don't give him and others like him a future flank of young voters who can turn the tide.

Gotta fix the marriage laws, and change the culture regarding family and women. First one should be doable within 8 years, but the second one we might never live to see.

Kinda disappointed that Trump and co. are listening to this war crimes hack.

(12-20-2016 03:01 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  Kinda disappointed that Trump and co. are listening to this war crimes hack.

Don't be. Trump is a big fan of what you could call "easy victories", that is, doing things which cost him nothing and work to his advantage. We've seen this repeatedly, like when he met with Obama and said a bunch of nice things afterwards, or he met with Al Gore to to talk about climate change. Talking to major foreign policy figures and hearing what they have to say costs nothing more than an hour or so of your time, and wins you credibility with factions that you'll need later to get things done.

Edit: Case in point, from his twitter feed a few moments ago. If you really believe Trump is a big fan of cartel owner Carlos Slim, who used his personal newspaper the NYT to relentlessly slander Trump, you really aren't qualified to be talking about politics. But again, a 15 minute phone call and a nice tweet cost Trump nothing at all, and gain him leverage for future actions.

(12-20-2016 03:01 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  


Kinda disappointed that Trump and co. are listening to this war crimes hack.

But look at the body language.

Pence his both physically and facially repulsed and turning away.

(12-20-2016 02:58 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Quote:4. Get married and have kids. Not an easy sell on this forum given all we know about the risks. Still, game-aware men have a much better chance than your average beta schlub about what makes LTR game work. If we want a conservative nation worth defending, we have to have the kids to combat all the liberals having kids or importing kids. This is non-negotiable if you want a long-term victory, and not a short-term one regarding Trump. Trump is a once and done if we don't give him and others like him a future flank of young voters who can turn the tide.

Gotta fix the marriage laws, and change the culture regarding family and women. First one should be doable within 8 years, but the second one we might never live to see.

Culture isn't a static thing. It is ever evolving. Waiting till the "perfect" time to marry or have kids will ensure a leftist victory. Make no mistake, getting married today is a risk. It is much less of a risk than is made out if you play your cards right. Overwhelmingly, in my own social circles, the people who have been married, stay married. Both the men and women work on the marriage. They homeschool their kids or send them to good private schools, often at the expense of not living a wealthy lifestyle. Waiting for Family Law to change is a paper tiger spouted by MGTOW and MRA's. There's too much money at the moment being printed to keep the lawyers, social workers, etc. employed to see that cash cow disappear. The problem, if it is to be solved, will have to done so on a spiritual and social level, not a legal one.

Laws only enforce bad behavior, whereas the bad behavior must be shamed and curtailed long before that.

I know a 20 year old girl in my social circle. She just got a huge tattoo on her thigh. She was explaining it alongside of another young girl I know. I looked at the girl with the tattoo and in a concerned way, that's really too bad. So many less people will employ you, and men will judge you harshly. I hope you reconsider it. The girl next to her was shocked, and later on told me it was ballsy for me to tell her friend that. I told her that smart girls don't destroy their natural beauty, and she agreed. You can't save everyone in a culture at any given time, but you can certainly drop some red pill paternalism here and there when presented the opportunity. The United States will perish as a country long before the Family Laws are changed if we aren't fighting the culture wars in our own social circles. It takes courage to do so, but that's where hearts and minds are won. Not on some cold, sterile law book.

If an American man finds it too much of a risk (even with extreme filtering for a conservative, sweet, feminine girl, etc) to get married in the USA, then he always has the option to move to a more traditional country and re-invent his life there. I'm currently weighing the options of marrying inside of the US if I found the right woman versus moving abroad. Each man needs to make that choice for himself, but not marrying and not having children represents a net negative for all cultures of the world who wish to see a return to patriarchy. Good men sitting things out because the laws aren't good at the moment only results in more children born out of wedlock and further degeneracy. Good men must take calculated risks, otherwise they are doing nothing to help the current situation.

(12-20-2016 03:41 PM)HD668B Wrote:  

(12-20-2016 03:01 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  


Kinda disappointed that Trump and co. are listening to this war crimes hack.

But look at the body language.

Pence his both physically and facially repulsed and turning away.

Actually, Kissinger practiced RealPolitik which made pragmatism more important than ideological notions in foreign policy. I thought that is where Trump wants to go. It was Jimmy Carter who screwed up American foreign policy with his "Human rights" campaign. Carter stabbed the Shah of Iran in the back, which started the long march towards Islamic fundamentalism in the Middle East. All of the autocrats the US put in place to contain Islamic fundamentalists were overthrown with the help of the US under the Carter influenced foreign policy.

(12-20-2016 04:04 PM)Sherman Wrote:  

(12-20-2016 03:41 PM)HD668B Wrote:  

(12-20-2016 03:01 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  


Kinda disappointed that Trump and co. are listening to this war crimes hack.

But look at the body language.

Pence his both physically and facially repulsed and turning away.

Actually, Kissenger practiced RealPolitik which made pragmatism more important than ideological notions. I thought that is where Trump wants to go. It was Jimmy Carter who screwed up American foreign policy with his "Human rights" campaign. Carter stabbed the Shah of Iran in the back, which started the long march towards Islamic fundamentalism in the Middle East. All of the autocrats the US put in place to contain Islamic fundamentalists were overthrown with the help of the US.

Trump and his team are smarter than people give him credit for. He knows that to truly run the country, you have to rub shoulders with the people who have both hard and soft power. Kissinger, who is an unsavory character to say the least, has power and influence in Washington. Doesn't mean you have to cut him in on the action, but that's where a master deal maker lets you believe you are influencing him, shuts his mouth and lets them babble, takes notes on how they think, what they know, who they know, etc. Then he compiles all that data and makes a wise assessment. Same thing with the Mitt as SOS pony show. Made himself look magnanimous, then picked the man he really wanted. Trump puts himself in Win/Win situations for a reason. He wants the greatest possible path to victory, no matter how the cards are dealt. A smart deal maker stacks the decks, and that's exactly what these meetings are designed to do.

(12-20-2016 04:02 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  

(12-20-2016 02:58 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Quote:4. Get married and have kids. Not an easy sell on this forum given all we know about the risks. Still, game-aware men have a much better chance than your average beta schlub about what makes LTR game work. If we want a conservative nation worth defending, we have to have the kids to combat all the liberals having kids or importing kids. This is non-negotiable if you want a long-term victory, and not a short-term one regarding Trump. Trump is a once and done if we don't give him and others like him a future flank of young voters who can turn the tide.

Gotta fix the marriage laws, and change the culture regarding family and women. First one should be doable within 8 years, but the second one we might never live to see.

Overwhelmingly, in my own social circles, the people who have been married, stay married. Both the men and women work on the marriage. They homeschool their kids or send them to good private schools, often at the expense of not living a wealthy lifestyle. Waiting for Family Law to change is a paper tiger spouted by MGTOW and MRA's. There's too much money at the moment being printed to keep the lawyers, social workers, etc. employed to see that cash cow disappear.

You sound like someone who thought Trump couldn't win.

Quote:The problem, if it is to be solved, will have to done so on a spiritual and social level, not a legal one.

It needs both.

Quote:Laws only enforce bad behavior, whereas the bad behavior must be shamed and curtailed long before that.

Complete nonsense. This is like saying we don't need to make murder illegal because murder is just a cultural problem, and making it illegal is therefore redundant.

Laws are extremely important. Human culture forms around laws just as much as culture leads to new laws being created. It is a two-way street.

Quote:I know a 20 year old girl in my social circle. She just got a huge tattoo on her thigh. She was explaining it alongside of another young girl I know. I looked at the girl with the tattoo and in a concerned way, that's really too bad. So many less people will employ you, and men will judge you harshly. I hope you reconsider it. The girl next to her was shocked, and later on told me it was ballsy for me to tell her friend that. I told her that smart girls don't destroy their natural beauty, and she agreed. You can't save everyone in a culture at any given time, but you can certainly drop some red pill paternalism here and there when presented the opportunity. The United States will perish as a country long before the Family Laws are changed if we aren't fighting the culture wars in our own social circles. It takes courage to do so, but that's where hearts and minds are won. Not on some cold, sterile law book.

I don't think what you did took any courage at all. Speaking up to women is tough if you're a huge pussy, which means the problem is that men are huge pussies if they cannot state basic truths.

Far more effective is convincing men over the internet, which leads to legal and cultural changes.

Quote:If an American man finds it too much of a risk (even with extreme filtering for a conservative, sweet, feminine girl, etc) to get married in the USA, then he always has the option to move to a more traditional country and re-invent his life there. I'm currently weighing the options of marrying inside of the US if I found the right woman versus moving abroad. Each man needs to make that choice for himself, but not marrying and not having children represents a net negative for all cultures of the world who wish to see a return to patriarchy. Good men sitting things out because the laws aren't good at the moment only results in more children born out of wedlock and further degeneracy. Good men must take calculated risks, otherwise they are doing nothing to help the current situation.

Getting married in another country is again a false solution because it means you're giving up on America.

Importing a wife would be viable, except once the imported wife learns about the corrupt divorce laws the odds increase dramatically that she takes advantage of them.

Even Donald Trump made every wife sign a very strict pre-nup. He has the right idea. The pre-nups couldn't stop his marriages from ending, however.

Thus, if we don't take advantage to secure laws in favor of family formation and retention, it's just a matter of time before leftist feminists get into power again and destroy the effectiveness of pre-nups.

Moreover, pre-nups do not help anyone except the richest of men. We need a society where middle class men have no problems finding and keeping a marriage intact. We do not have such a society today. The easiest changes to improve the situation is to push for legal ones, as the slower cultural changes take effect.

^ Welfare has to be a rock bottom lifestyle and child support should no longer exist.

The government and the single-mother industry can't have it both ways (taxing a man to provide welfare for stranger's kids and then slugging him with child support payments for his own in addition).

As long as women bear few to no consequences for walking away from a reasonable provider they will always do so as and where their feelz dictate.