Just read that bit about the lying. I remember the photo of the CAT scan he put up at his window, so that makes sense now - really hardening up the lie so they stop doubting I guess.

I guess if you're an unapologetic "get the lay at all costs" notch hound, fair enough, lie cheat and steal. But he also had the gall to say "I'm not like many of the guys here, I'm not hit and quit and I care for them" in his sign-off of his trip. You can trick girls into believing you're ideal father-of-kids material, and that you want to start a family with them, whilst you're really just enjoying your notches and posting your trophy pics and vids thereof on a public web forum, whilst actually having the biggest heart apparently. Either way it's a solid reinforcement of the message - bad guys get laid, good guys get played.

You can lie to people and still care about them. It's what married couples do everyday.

And my methods are slowly changing to become more efficient. I only lied the first part of the trip. I slowly tapered off and I would venture to say it's not necessary in every occasion.

Would you say your previous marriages were the biggest inspiration for the lying then? I.e. did you do it equally before and after?

You can be emotionally honest while still being factually dishonest. Girls can't tell the difference, and don't really care anyway, since its the emotions they crave in the first place. Like we can't stop looking at a great pair of fake tits, girls still open up for a fake Casanova Doctor if it still feels right.

Linux is hacking the reptile part of their brain with his elaborate tales, along with congruent behavior and future relationship projections. Its like living in a fairytale for the Colombian girls. Ethics aside its effective and girls love it. I think some girls know its really not true but still feel like it might be.

Hitting such a wide range of emotions successfully with a girl is highly powerful.

(06-13-2015 12:23 PM)jariel Wrote:  

(06-12-2015 01:30 PM)Lizard King Wrote:  Your posts give the impression to me that you are very honest Linux, and I think that is a part of your game too. Women connect to your honesty, women make connections easily, and honesty or authenticity facilitates the connection.

Lizard, your post really stuck out to me, because I immediately thought of this post from LINUX's original Cali thread:

(01-08-2015 08:54 PM)LINUX Wrote:  Lying:

Lie!! Lie about everything. Lie about your job, how many times you have been married, when your last relationship was, and what you are looking for. Don’t go to Colombia telling these women you work at Staples and came here to get laid. It’s very easy to pull off an Oncologist if you are in your 30’s, dress decent, and know how to shine your shoes and also tell them you are here for a job interview and you are looking for marriage. If you are looking for a relationship, you can be a little more genuine. I was just looking for lays. If they want to see a picture of your house, take one of the nicest house in your neighborhood and send it on whatsapp.

I also told most of these girls that I wanted them to have my children. The best pick up line is, “ I want my daughter to look just like you. “They had no problem having a unprotecting sex with me because I own 2 homes, makes 500,000 a year, and want to get married to them and have a family... Unfortunately, that was all bullshit because I don’t own a home, lucky if break 40k a year, and had a vasectomy a year ago. Oh well. Everyone lies.

http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-44032-...#pid926638

It appears to me that the backbone of dude's game is the opposite of honesty, it's extreme dishonesty.

Before I break that down, let me say, I live in a city where the women are highly superficial. What part of the city you live in matters to them. What car you drive matters to them. The brand of your shoes matters to them. Those are things that women notice and that you kind of want and need to have on point, especially when you're trying to pull the type of woman who would make you pinch yourself while you long stroke from the back because that moment she looks back at you, with the sweat glistening off her face as she is gritting her teeth and clutching whatever she can find with her hands, is the moment you realize you're fucking a type of woman that you thought only existed in a world afar, but at that moment, she's there in your bed, busting all over your dick.

There are plenty of men in my city who lie to women about being talent scouts, movie producers, photographers, and all other types of position in entertainment and other notable, sexy professions to try to get to pussy.

I myself have "fornicated on my status", especially when I was playing ball.

I often got invited to sex parties, was offered money to fuck dudes' wives and girlfriends, etc.

In my opinion, there's nothing wrong with running that type of game.

I feel like if a woman is going to give it up easier because she thinks she's fucking the "right guy", then it is what it is, because she's not fucking him solely because she wants to, she's doing it because she thinks that she can use the sex to get something that she wants out of it.

The Game is a dog-eat-dog game, and you better not be tamed.

LINUX is not a golden lab, he's a pitbull.

If he was what the Cuban people here call buena gente --good people -- then he wouldn't have as much success.

Good people here find their wives in high school. They literally become a part of their chick's family when they are teenagers. They go to the family barbecues on the weekends where they play salsa until the wee hours of the morning. They help pickup the little siblings from school. They do all the things that say, "I want to be here for the long haul, I want to be here for you."

Pitbulls are not playing that game.

Now, it's easy to misinterpret that game when there are inconsistent messages.

As Roosh noted, it's difficult for a guy to say convincingly that he isn't a hit it and quit it type of guy, yet he makes a concerted effort to get nearly 40 different lays in the span of two months, many of those lays coming on the same day, within hours of each other.

LINUX's trip was about getting as much pussy as he possibly could get in a the amount of time he had alloted -- he stated as much in the above quote.

Any assertions to the contrary are just straight up misconceptions, primarily due to ignorance of the facts.

Furthermore, there are suggestions of his game having some elements of hopeless romanticism, when again, that's just not the case.

I would go as far to say that LINUX is a dirty mack. There are a lot of elements to his game that are consistent to dirty mackin'. Dirty macks usually have deep histories of negative relationships with women who they were closest to, if you want to study dirty mackin' look up Usher's history with women, he's the Grand Poobah of Dirty Macks. At the end of the day, there isn't damn near anything that LINUX wouldn't say nor do, to get what he wants out of the game in the end. These interactions aren't about the women -- hopeless romantics get off on the highs of love and emotional connections -- they're about achieving the goals that he has set out for himself, one being to get lays.

It's one thing to tell a club rat at LIV that you're a producer for YMCMB while you max out your credit card on a couple of drinks. It's another thing to stage a life that you're not living, equipped with back stories and picture/video evidence, not only for the purpose of procuring sex, but to procure unprotected sex by presenting yourself as a lottery ticket, knowing all along that you can raw dog a chick, bust in her, and while she's hoping she might score and have a rich gringo's baby, you know you've had a vasectomy so unfortunately for her, she's holding a ticket that doesn't have any winning numbers.

That's the definition of dirty mackin'.

In fact, if dude wants to take his game and make some money off of it, he could write a book on dirty mackin'.

Now there are some who have already expressed criticism for the guy's efforts, and some who have criticism and have kept their words to themselves, and I can see exactly where they are coming from -- inconsistent messages will do that.

However, I've learned first-hand, that honesty in this game will have you at home with the baby lotion. Women themselves are not being honest, especially the ones who we're meeting out in the streets -- that includes dating websites. They make extreme efforts to present themselves as something they are not to get what they want out of the game. So it's understandable for a guy to take what women do naturally on a regular basis, and use it in his own way to take home court advantage and win the game.

A man in the Game has to make a decision, do you want to be good people or do you want to be good at getting what you want out of people?

Whichever path you choose will depend on what you want, the former will work for guys who can accept having a lower of number relationships as they strive for quality given their work and efforts, the latter will work for guys who are good at manipulating situations for their own gain from lower-quality, manipulative people who think they're the ones doing the conniving, only to find out that they're not playing the game, they're getting played.

A fisherman can always spot another fisherman from afar.

Jariel, what is your definition of good people. What modern day courtship has become...basically a war. There are many ways to wage war, Linux just uses a different strategy than most.

(06-13-2015 01:01 PM)Phoenix Wrote:  Would you say your previous marriages were the biggest inspiration for the lying then? I.e. did you do it equally before and after?

Are we playing patient / psychologist?

No I genuinely wanted to know.

(06-13-2015 01:16 PM)Phoenix Wrote:  No I genuinely wanted to know.

People lie everyday Phoenix. We've been lying and deceiving since we were 6 months old to get what we want.

This is what a dialogue would look like for the typical RVF member who didn't lie:

Job interview --
Q: Are you a team player?
A: Not really, look at all you nerds pretending to be important. You guys haven't been laid in over a year. My goal here is to work hard for a few days and then slack off just enough where no one notices.

Date--
Q: So what are you looking for on Tinder?
A: I want to fuck you, wake up, and pray that you are gone and I don't have any venereal disease? What about you?

Police--
Q: Have you been drinking tonight?
A: Nope, but I am high as fuuuuck.

Customs:
Q: Do any illegal drugs on your visit and if so what did you do?
A: A better question would be what drugs did I not do.

Priest:
Q: Tell me your sins son:
A. You have any whiskey? This is going to take a while.

ONS:
Q: Do you always practice safe sex?
A: I take a shower afterwards.

Girlfriend:
Q: How many women have you been with?
A: About 400, give or take a few. What about you?

To add to the above:

On a bang mission in the Philippines, and a girl asks:
Q: So what are you doing here?
A: I'm here to fuck as many women as possible, even 2 or 3 in one day. And I'm hoping you'll one of them within the hour.

Linux's game methods and antics shouldn't be confused with bigger personality characteristics. He is a very honest, stand up guy to hang out with. I think its possible to separate the two.

(06-13-2015 12:23 PM)jariel Wrote:  I myself have "fornicated on my status", especially when I was playing ball.

I often got invited to sex parties, was offered money to fuck dudes' wives and girlfriends, etc.

Can you give me a idea of what level ball you played at? This is one hooper asking another out of curiosity. There's only a few levels at which I see someone getting propositioned like this. Would be interested to know.

(06-13-2015 05:06 PM)Atlantic Wrote:  Linux's game methods and antics shouldn't be confused with bigger personality characteristics. He is a very honest, stand up guy to hang out with. I think its possible to separate the two.

I only hung out with Linux because I thought he was an Oncologist with 2 homes, going on job interviews, looking to get married.

Now I feel acquaintance-raped.

I have no idea what shit Linux was telling his girls, but I saw how he acted with them. Very affectionate, happy, loving, whatever you want to call it, and of course aggressive. Just non-stop good vibes, which the girls were sucked into, completely apart from anything he might have told them. It's very different from the game I use, but his results speak for themselves.

(06-13-2015 05:55 PM)Seamus Wrote:  I have no idea what shit Linux was telling his girls, but I saw how he acted with them. Very affectionate, happy, loving, whatever you want to call it, and of course aggressive. Just non-stop good vibes, which the girls were sucked into, completely apart from anything he might have told them. It's very different from the game I use, but his results speak for themselves.

This is the gist of the matter. Women LOVE TO FUCK THE FANTASY MAN - even if they themselves have no intention of ever marrying the guy. You really have to watch women's TV series like Sex And The City. There you see those aging carousel riders fucking always the "successful broker/artist/captain of industry/hedge fund manager/doctor etc. Some of those guys are gone after one scene, but for those few fucks she was fucking the upcoming/actual big shot.

Personally I don't think that Linux actually would need those elaborate stories of careers, houses and such, but occasionally it might speed the date along as he triggers her fantasy. You see - just as with those female fantasy Tv series - she wants to fuck a man with value. What will make her wet is not his supposed job or house, but his entire vibe, body, personality and actual Game in the now.

The world is filled with certain degrees of lies. I try to avoid them personally and be as truthful as I can especially with my close buddies, but in reality we cannot be 100% honest and truthful to everyone. But we definitely should be so with all the things that matter. A bang is not necessarily such a thing, because we shouldn't forget that girls want to have fun too and they actually like sex with men they barely know.

We have to stop pretending as if women don't like sex with a stranger who has massive Game and makes her feel sexy and special. They love it and even if they don't see that guy again they will cherish the memory.

Krauser recently said on the CMQ show that the 'sphere has a rather negative disconnect with the point of "lowering a girl's value by upping her notch-count". In a way such a mindset is negative, because by fucking her you have in your head that you lower her value more. I think we have to rid ourselves of that thinking. We should rather strive to make our dates and fucks with girls as magic and as memorable as possible. Every interaction with a woman can leave her richer or poorer in life experience. A boring dork who fakes to be a heart surgeon, who leaves unsatisfied in the morning, who she did not fancy much at all anyway and who she fucked for his supposed status only - that is a lousy experience. An exciting charismatic lover who alludes to being an excellent doctor, fucks her dominantly for hours, makes her smile and genuinely likes her because he loves women - that is an uplifting notch.

Life is more than about having a low-notch count, marrying and having children. We shouldn't presume to know what is better for every woman on earth - have few men inside them, marry young and pop out kids. Some women feel better for having banged a Linux on that one hot day in Bogota. Who are we to deny them the pleasure? And why should we deny the next girl we approach the pleasure of spending time with us? We make their lives more fun and exciting, we don't "lower their value".

Thanks LINUX, Atlantic and others ! Your stories were so inspiring, that I decided to travel to Colombia. I will be arriving in Bogota July 16

(06-14-2015 12:53 PM)MrRemi Wrote:  Thanks LINUX, Atlantic and others ! Your stories were so inspiring, that I decided to travel to Colombia. I will be arriving in Bogota July 16

Good for you. Make some memories.

(06-13-2015 01:06 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  Jariel, what is your definition of good people.

I have a post I'm working on for my RTS series about that particular topic, but men who are classified as good people tend to make good boyfriends. Good players are not good boyfriends because they won't do what good boyfriends do, which is put the woman first.

A good player understands that his life comes first, and his woman/women have to fit into his spectrum.

(06-13-2015 05:11 PM)TrifeLife Wrote:  Can you give me a idea of what level ball you played at? This is one hooper asking another out of curiosity. There's only a few levels at which I see someone getting propositioned like this. Would be interested to know.

I would imagine anyone who played a big sport for a noteworthy D1 program would be able to share similar experiences.

Keep in mind, you don't even have to be a "star" on your team to have those experiences.

Women know when you're on the team, it's their job to find out, it's also their job to figure out who they can rope into a relationship before they go pro.

Posting this here, as it still seems to be the default Colombia thread

I just had probably the best sex of my life last night. A 21 year-old caramel skinned latina, 5'10 with died red hair and a big juicy ass. She'd just gotten out of a 5 year relationship, and claimed I was the only the second guy she'd ever been with. I met her via social circle.

We had some drinks in Lleras then bounced back to my place. We blazed up, she put on her favorite reggaeton playlist, and we started dancing. Over the course of a couple songs we both stripped, until we were grinding reggaeton ass naked and high as fuck. She pushed me onto the bed, turned around, and started dancing right in front of me with her ass in my face. That turned into a lap dance, and I slipped inside of her. She lap danced the next 4-5 songs with me inside, grinding her ass to the music and singing along. It was fucking heaven. Then I stood her up, put her up against the wall, and we kept dancing/fucking for another 15 minutes or so til I busted. The girl was so damn sexy I never lost wood though, and we kept banging for another hour til I busted again, every position in the book, and this chick moaning, "ay papi"-ing, and singing to the songs the whole time (except when she was on her knees getting face fucked).

Then this morning while I showered she made the bed, cleaned the dishes, and made coffee. The only bad things are the hickey on my neck and the scratches on my back.

God bless Colombia.

I have to say thanks to LINUX, Atlantic, chochemonger, Cr33pin, newgame, scotian, Seamus, Vancity, and the others who have contributed to this epic thread. As entertaining as it has been to see you guys running a clinic down there (the stories, the pics, the stats) it has been equally inspiring as a wake up call to really get out and live life. Through the influence of family, friends, work, responsibilities, media, etc. it is too easy to get caught in the mundane hamster wheel/treadmill of life. That shit sucks. This thread is a great example of grabbing your balls and going after what you want.

I just renewed my passport to go to Aruba and realized my previous passport only had Costa Rica and St Martin stamps over a 10 year year period, sobering and a little depressing. When the lady at the office gave me that blank book I realized it was my duty to fill it up so I can look back 10 years from now and reflect on the places, people, women, and stories that it gave me a chance to experience.

Colombia is on the short list now, I just need to hit the gym and learn how to fake read an MRI.

(06-13-2015 12:57 PM)LINUX Wrote:  You can lie to people and still care about them. It's what married couples do everyday.

And my methods are slowly changing to become more efficient. I only lied the first part of the trip. I slowly tapered off and I would venture to say it's not necessary in every occasion.

(06-13-2015 01:04 PM)Atlantic Wrote:  You can be emotionally honest while still being factually dishonest. Girls can't tell the difference, and don't really care anyway, since its the emotions they crave in the first place. Like we can't stop looking at a great pair of fake tits, girls still open up for a fake Casanova Doctor if it still feels right.

Linux is hacking the reptile part of their brain with his elaborate tales, along with congruent behavior and future relationship projections. Its like living in a fairytale for the Colombian girls. Ethics aside its effective and girls love it. I think some girls know its really not true but still feel like it might be.

Hitting such a wide range of emotions successfully with a girl is highly powerful.

I do this all the time with chicks, spruce up what I do for work, make my life exciting (when it isn't) I portray myself as a man of mystery, that's always working or going somewhere.

I've got a fun life and place to be. I've honestly told great stories all 100% true but I've lied in order to create a connection to a girl that I end up banging.

I leave an aura of mystery, I keep them guessing, I keep them teased, and they eat it up.

I never even give details about my job anymore - I tell them I can't until I get to know them better, or I could get fired, or it's classified etc.

Hell I even lied that I was at the same festival as this girl was, turned that conversation into a bang within 3 days !

Yeah some girls might not believe it, some might not even give a shit.

You can absolutely be emotionally honest, which I am with my main HB, but not factually honest on some occasions. (Read: When i'm out with other girls or I was sleeping when I was banging)

I can lie to get sex, I don't let it bleed into other parts of my life.

The one thing I don't bullshit with is other men, I'll tell them things straight up and I'm honest.

I can completely separate that - unless I can tell they aren't trustworthy.

You've gotta be a Pit out there, you can't be a Golden Retriever - it just isn't possible any more - ESPECIALLY in the states.

Did you just direct them to this thread?

(06-12-2015 01:27 PM)Atlantic Wrote:  On a side note I got grilled coming back through security in Toronto last night. Three bag searches and two full back room interviews. I fit the exact profile: late twenties, Irish, visa nearly up for Canada, 4 months in Colombia, technically unemployed, no real reason to be traveling and strange travel patterns. In the end all was good but I got a decent interrogation.

Just had one of my weirder gaming experiences in Colombia.

I set a date with an online girl in Parque Lleras, to which she showed up 45 minutes late. Normally I'd bounce after 15, but I was already watching the NBA game with newgame and Tigre at a bar, so I was still there. But that wasn't the funny part. Without telling me brought three friends, two of whom were gringo guys.

She realized almost immediately that she'd fucked up, and tried to get me to bounce to a different spot. I told her I'd follow and just never did. In retrospect I should've probably told her off, but I was half laughing half in shock at the bizarreness of the whole situation.

Anybody ever have a chick pull a similar stunt? I honestly have no idea what she was expecting to happen.

(06-17-2015 12:08 AM)Seamus Wrote:  Just had one of my weirder gaming experiences in Colombia.

I set a date with an online girl in Parque Lleras, to which she showed up 45 minutes late. Normally I'd bounce after 15, but I was already watching the NBA game with newgame and Tigre at a bar, so I was still there. But that wasn't the funny part. Without telling me brought three friends, two of whom were gringo guys.

She realized almost immediately that she'd fucked up, and tried to get me to bounce to a different spot. I told her I'd follow and just never did. In retrospect I should've probably told her off, but I was half laughing half in shock at the bizarreness of the whole situation.

Anybody ever have a chick pull a similar stunt? I honestly have no idea what she was expecting to happen.

My girl was saying she thought the girl was at least a part time prepago. She said in part because the girl was talking about trips to Turkey, which now that I think about it was a red flag. Maybe the girl thought you didn't seem like the type who would help her out financially. The situation was definitely odd though; I've never seen anything like it.