This is why it is also a very good idea in Medellin especially to make friends with and go out with a Colombian guy. Out of the countries I've been to it is the country where the local guys I met were consistently helpful in meeting girls.

They can tell more easily which girls are available to pick up and which girls are dangerous to approach. Those guys might have been obviously narcos but a couple of times my friend pointed guys out to me that were narcos that to me just looked like poorly dressed Colombian "rednecks".

Not to mention the social credibility you get from being with a local.

(06-08-2015 12:30 PM)LINUX Wrote:  Sounds awesome man, Me, You, Blurred Sevens, and Atlantic can smoke some prime grade ganja and hit up Latin night in Denver.

Fuck yeah.

We can go hit on yoga broads the morning after at Red Rocks:

(06-09-2015 01:35 PM)Seamus Wrote:  Agreed. I have had some pretty decent success from nightclub game in Colombia, but situational awareness is key. I always observe the girls first to see if they are with guys, I look for eye contact, and I pull out immediately if they are clearly uninterested. If it's a mixed group I befriend the guys first and get a feel for who's with who.

Exactly.

Best guy I have meet at this is OneADay. He was watching everything in the club, keeping track of all interactions and if girls were solo or waiting on someone. Guy had amazing nightclub game and was excellent at reading body language. He also has plenty of experience with Latin girls and culture.

This isn't a great place to practice 'improvement' club game, if you don't already have skills back home then focus on other areas down here: online, daygame, gringo bars.

(06-09-2015 11:25 AM)VolandoVengoVolandoVoy Wrote:  I think you've managed to illustrate a very important point of game - non verbal communication and keeping things fun.

Being able to tap into an almost child like wonder at the fun and beauty of life creates a vibe that makes other people want to open up with you and share the fun things life has to offer, one of which is sex.

This. So much goes on within nonverbal communication that isn't posted much on here. I touched on this in my deaf game datasheet, albeit based on my own perspective.

It is really hard to put into words. Still, I don't know how Linux does so well even in the States. I don't, even after cleaning up in the Philippines.

I'm just now getting into this extremely long thread, but I notice that practically every picture you put on here says "this picture or video has been deleted."

Todd from RSD met Linux and this is what he had to say... "The Best Natural I've ever met"
The quote at 1:30 mark describing his game is just magical...

(06-09-2015 10:09 PM)TripleG Wrote:  The quote at 1:30 mark describing his game is just magical...

That explains everything.

I just watched that video, are you sure its Linux from this thread? The guy he is talking about in the clip is Dutch and as far as I know Linux isn't, am I missing something?

(06-10-2015 12:40 AM)scotian Wrote:  I just watched that video, are you sure its Linux from this thread? The guy he is talking about in the clip is Dutch and as far as I know Linux isn't, am I missing something?

I have the same question. I think TripleG's point might have been that the guy who is being described in the video's style is very similar to that of LINUX.

(06-10-2015 12:40 AM)scotian Wrote:  I just watched that video, are you sure its Linux from this thread? The guy he is talking about in the clip is Dutch and as far as I know Linux isn't, am I missing something?

The guy in the video is supposed to have taken part in a RSD bootcamp 10 years ago.

Not only is he Dutch, but he was a Dutch pro soccer player since age 13 and got pussy just because he was a pro athlete. In addition it's possible that he did the RSD bootcamp only after the end of his career, which means that he was likely 30+ 10 years ago.

But he seemed to have had non-verbal Game similar to Linux.

The world is big, so of course there are plenty of other men out there who have various degrees of natural Game.

If there's anything someone should learn from this thread it's that the key to results and game improvement is going out in the field and living life, not watching some video by an RSD clown.

When people call someone else a "natural" it seems to me like it's a bullshit way to rationalize why they can't get the results they want and someone else can.

Improve yourself/be happy with yourself/talk to people = swim in pussy. The be happy with yourself is probably the most important thing, because if you don't respect yourself, if you aren't really happy with yourself, how can you expect to get respect from anyone else??? When people talk about someone having confidence, or a strong vibe, or being natural, it's because that person is has self respect.

There, now you can send me $500 instead of paying for a bootcamp.

^

$500? Ha.

I know someone who's payed $3000 for a weekend bootcamp.

I could think of 1000 different reasons for a better way to spend that...

(06-10-2015 08:43 AM)Nascimento Wrote:  ^

$500? Ha.

I know someone who's payed $3000 for a weekend bootcamp.

I could think of 1000 different reasons for a better way to spend that...

Holy shit. People are getting scammed.

If anyone reading this ever thinks of spending that kind of money on a boot camp, DON'T.

I can 110% guarantee better results if someone spends 1,000 on health/gym/personal training, 1,000 on some stylish clothes, and 1,000 on a week long trip to a fertile hunting ground like Colombia.

Even 1,000 for a week long boot camp would be a rip off.

Seriously, take any money that you are thinking of spending on a game workshop or bootcamp, and divide it into 3 parts (1/3rd gym/health, 1/3rd clothes, 1/3rd trip somewhere). Spend it in this way, you will have more fun, learn more, grow more, bang more.

Shit, my plan could be done with 600 if you are frugal. 200 for a couple months at a nice gym and some creatine or whatever, 200 for a couple outfits and a pair of shoes, and 200 for a weekend trip somewhere or a social "staycation" in your home city.

Thanks for the compliments guys but I'm very different than those RSD guys. When I meet a woman, I don't speak with words. I don't believe attraction happens at a conversational level insomuch as they believe.

Anytime I meet a girl, the first thing I do is grab their hand. I sit them down and I stroke their arm. I turn their hand over and I look their palm and start rubbing it. They usually ask me what I see and I tell them, "Nothing, I don't believe in palm reading but I love your hands. I wonder where you've been, where you're going, what makes you smile, what makes you cry. " After that, the rest of the date is me kissing them, looking in their eyes, and constantly rubbing their body in a romantic -sexual way.

What would PUA say was wrong with this?
- Everything

What would psychologist say?
Eric Berne wrote a book in the 60's called "The Games People Play."



There are many ways of communication. parent-parent, parent-adult, parent-child, adult-parent, adult-adult, adult-child, child-parent, child-adult, child-child. But ultimately everything is a game and people have a motive with the things they say. Saying that, a crossed transaction is not healthy. An example of a crossed transaction would be :


This is an adult- child transaction done by many PUA

Her: "Linux, I like you."
Me: "I'm not easy, plus you dress a little too slutty: "

"notice the neg and how most people call this validation"

I never do this, for me, I always maintain an adult-adult transaction in my conversation and limit all games:

Her: I love you.
Me: I love you also and we may not get married or have a family but I'll never forget you.

So I completely ignore doing what is called "negs" , disagreeing with the person I am talking to, trying to get them to make me validate them, or trying to show I am smarter than them.

Furthermore, Dr. Albert Mehrabian who also believed in the transactional analysis of Berne findings were when dealing with emotions and feelings the degree of importance that the listener places on the talker is as follows:


Actual Words – 7%
The Way words are delivered (tone, accents on certain words, etc.) – 38%
Facial expressions – 55%

So, proving my point I try to tell everyone, what you say isn't as important as how you say it and the way you look at them with your eyes. I always speak with my eyes and my hands. This works in Colombia, Brazil, and the USA. And I'm not even playing any game with them, I'm communicating with them how I feel at the moment, which is usually wanting them to spend the night with me. There is nothing hidden, no lies, no tricks. I just straight up tell them to come stay the night with me.

And 90% of my dates end the same way, her saying,
"Linux: I've never met anyone like you before."

It's a non-bullshit, direct game that place very little importance on actual words.

The problem is that I'm not sure it can be taught. It simply has to be who you are or people will see through it and you'll instantly become labeled as creepy-as-fuck.

I know right. The bootcamp thing is retarded.

Worse is that for the most part, these guys don't come out better off than they started.

I shit you not, the guy I know that went through this, definitely did not.

His instructor had him go up to groups of girls with guys and call girls dogs. Try to steal girls in front of bfs. 'Nuclear' situations.

Because of reference experiences, right?

If you can handle yourself in front of an angry bf, you can do anything...

Except these guys adopt that retarded mindset and then we have a situation akin to the one mentioned just recently on this thread.

I don't want to rant about it as I've done that on this topic before, but let me end this short one with: If you're calling yourself a PUA, or in anyway associating yourself with it, you're doing it wrong.

Quote:The problem is that I'm not sure it can be taught. It simply has to be who you are or people will see through it and you'll instantly become labeled as creepy-as-fuck.

Ironically, "everyone" knows that most communication is non-verbal, but the focus (on-line) at least, is on what you say. I think that is because this medium (RVF and the Internet in general) is most conducive to expressing and teaching this form of communication.

Also, we focus a lot on learning, but not as much on unlearning (which is harder).

I think the take-away lesson is to get more physical quickly. You can communicate so much more by taking a girl's hand than by 1 hour of banter or talking. When animals meet/greet each other, they are always smelling and touching. Of course, there is also a cultural element to this. I wouldn't do this in a cold-approach situation, but when you have a date, you need to stick your nose in her proverbial ass and see what's up.

Good post, Linux, but I'm not sure I agree that it cannot be taught. What makes you think so?

I've been trying to process why I did so well in the Philippines, but not in the USA. I think it's because I underestimated their proficiency in English, so I relied more heavily on nonverbal communication and used simpler and more direct statements.

Upon returning to the US, I began to notice how I interact with girls differently here than over there. I went back to my old habits of placing more importance on verbal communication, and using words to game them.

Let me share an example. When I was walking with a pinay in Manila, it was hot and we were hungry. We'd planned on going to a certain restaurant but it was still five blocks away. We were passing by a fast food place, and I looked at that place. She followed my gaze, looked back at me, and double-flicked her eyebrows. It was subtle, easy to miss, but I caught it. Her forehead was also glistened with sweat. I said "let's eat here instead" taking her hand and steering us to the fast food place, as opposed to continuing our trek to the more distant place. She smiled, took my arm, walked into the air conditioned place, and we both enjoyed the refreshing drop in temperature. Later, she was telling me "you understand me so well, it's like you read my mind..."

Not only did I pick up on her signal (eyebrow double flick), I also took the lead instead of forcing her to. Part of their culture is preserving face. If she said "let's eat here instead" instead of me saying it, I would have lost face, from her point of view. She wouldn't have said that, she'd have suffered through walking farther in the heat if I didn't pick up on her nonverbal communication.

Here in the USA, I focus too much on verbal communication because I'm trying to read her lips and understand what she is saying. In the Philippines, I wasn't trying as hard to read her lips because A) they don't talk as much as they are shy, B) the less focus on talking brings more focus on nonverbal communication, making nonverbal cues jump more out at you.

Clear as mud??? It's so hard to put it into words, so if none of this makes sense, it wouldn't surprise me. There is so much nonverbal minutiae that goes on each minute during the interaction, that it would be impossible to post every little minutiae on forums like this, so a lot gets lost when writing field posts like this.

But I'm struggling in the US because I'm focusing on the wrong things.

(06-10-2015 11:44 AM)LINUX Wrote:  Thanks for the compliments guys but I'm very different than those RSD guys. When I meet a woman, I don't speak with words. I don't believe attraction happens at a conversational level insomuch as they believe.

Anytime I meet a girl, the first thing I do is grab their hand. I sit them down and I stroke their arm. I turn their hand over and I look their palm and start rubbing it. They usually ask me what I see and I tell them, "Nothing, I don't believe in palm reading but I love your hands. I wonder where you've been, where you're going, what makes you smile, what makes you cry. " After that, the rest of the date is me kissing them, looking in their eyes, and constantly rubbing their body in a romantic -sexual way.

What would PUA say was wrong with this?
- Everything

What would psychologist say?
Eric Berne wrote a book in the 60's called "The Games People Play."



There are many ways of communication. parent-parent, parent-adult, parent-child, adult-parent, adult-adult, adult-child, child-parent, child-adult, child-child. But ultimately everything is a game and people have a motive with the things they say. Saying that, a crossed transaction is not healthy. An example of a crossed transaction would be :


This is an adult- child transaction done by many PUA

Her: "Linux, I like you."
Me: "I'm not easy, plus you dress a little too slutty: "

"notice the neg and how most people call this validation"

I never do this, for me, I always maintain an adult-adult transaction in my conversation and limit all games:

Her: I love you.
Me: I love you also and we may not get married or have a family but I'll never forget you.

So I completely ignore doing what is called "negs" , disagreeing with the person I am talking to, trying to get them to make me validate them, or trying to show I am smarter than them.

Furthermore, Dr. Albert Mehrabian who also believed in the transactional analysis of Berne findings were when dealing with emotions and feelings the degree of importance that the listener places on the talker is as follows:


Actual Words – 7%
The Way words are delivered (tone, accents on certain words, etc.) – 38%
Facial expressions – 55%

So, proving my point I try to tell everyone, what you say isn't as important as how you say it and the way you look at them with your eyes. I always speak with my eyes and my hands. This works in Colombia, Brazil, and the USA. And I'm not even playing any game with them, I'm communicating with them how I feel at the moment, which is usually wanting them to spend the night with me. There is nothing hidden, no lies, no tricks. I just straight up tell them to come stay the night with me.

And 90% of my dates end the same way, her saying,
"Linux: I've never met anyone like you before."

It's a non-bullshit, direct game that place very little importance on actual words.

The problem is that I'm not sure it can be taught. It simply has to be who you are or people will see through it and you'll instantly become labeled as creepy-as-fuck.

It seems to me that you're a guy who simply and unabashedly loves women, has great empathy for them, and loves being in the feminine energy.

Women can sense when a man truly loves women instantly.

And as Zan Perrion has remarked, a man who loves women (and doesn't hide it) is loved by women.

I've found this to be absolutely true.

You also speak the language of subcommunications fluently, which cuts through the noise of speaking, which by the way is a relatively recent addition the human faculties.

One of my favorite things about being in a foreign country is that I can't speak the language well.

So when words no longer serve as a surrogate for the raw vibes pulsating underneath, you do better because all of a sudden you have to sub-communicate in order to understand each other.

Incidentally, my game looks very similar to yours.

Very little talking, lots of physicality, eye gazing, kissing, smelling, biting, picking her up, etc.

Another anti-PUA PUA guy whom I respect a lot, James Marshall, said it this way:

Seduction happens in low energy.

I've found that to be true as well.

I need that feminine presence of a woman to balance me out. It gives me peace.

http://www.masculineintent.com/all-you-n...ss-part-2/
I think this article covers a lot of the same stuff Linux mentioned above. It's a little long-winded, but the same point is there.

A relevant quote from it relating to your style possibly being 'creepy' on other guys:

Quote:"The FIRST assumptions guys jump to is usually…”eh…I don’t want to come across as creepy”.

If you feel this way…you are not yet at ease with your sexuality and you see it as a potentially negative thing. As long as this block is in place, you will never reach your full potential.

(06-10-2015 12:09 PM)Menace Wrote:  I think the take-away lesson is to get more physical quickly.

Maybe.

There is a lot of nuance here.

I have tried Linux-style moves before, but they don't work well for me. The girls get scared off, or say things like "I'm not going to sleep with you tonight," or I can otherwise tell they are seeing through my intentions.

Moving fast just doesn't fit my personality type. I know it, and the girls know it.

(06-10-2015 11:44 AM)LINUX Wrote:  It simply has to be who you are or people will see through it and you'll instantly become labeled as creepy-as-fuck.

This makes a lot of sense.

For me, it takes about 45 minutes until I am getting physical in a way that feels natural.

So I think the lesson here is that guys should experiment with speed, until they find a pace that feels balanced and genuine.

If you are moving quickly just for the sake of it, rather than at a pace that feels good to you, then it can spoil an otherwise positive encounter with a girl.

(06-10-2015 01:47 PM)BlurredSevens Wrote:  

(06-10-2015 12:09 PM)Menace Wrote:  I think the take-away lesson is to get more physical quickly.

Maybe.

There is a lot of nuance here.

I have tried Linux-style moves before, but they don't work well for me. The girls get scared off, or say things like "I'm not going to sleep with you tonight," or I can otherwise tell they are seeing through my intentions.

Moving fast just doesn't fit my personality type. I know it, and the girls know it.

(06-10-2015 11:44 AM)LINUX Wrote:  It simply has to be who you are or people will see through it and you'll instantly become labeled as creepy-as-fuck.

This makes a lot of sense.

For me, it takes about 45 minutes until I am getting physical in a way that feels natural.

So I think the lesson here is that guys should experiment with speed, until they find a pace that feels balanced and genuine.

If you are moving quickly just for the sake of it, rather than at a pace that feels good to you, then it can spoil an otherwise positive encounter with a girl.

I think on top of that it also depends on the culture and the personality of the girl you're dating. I have a feeling some of these moves would not work as well in Japan, for instance, as they did in Colombia. Many latin girls are used to touching all the time, so it doesn't scare them off as easily. If you're gaming a girl who is not used to it or where it's not culturally acceptable, then it could work against you. If she's really into you, then it probably doesn't matter either way.

(06-10-2015 02:31 PM)newgame Wrote:  I think on top of that it also depends on the culture and the personality of the girl you're dating. I have a feeling some of these moves would not work as well in Japan, for instance, as they did in Colombia. Many latin girls are used to touching all the time, so it doesn't scare them off as easily. If you're gaming a girl who is not used to it or where it's not culturally acceptable, then it could work against you. If she's really into you, then it probably doesn't matter either way.

I agree the cultural aspect is sometimes overlooked. Obviously, some guys do better in certain cultures than others. Sometimes we forget this.

(06-10-2015 02:38 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

(06-10-2015 02:31 PM)newgame Wrote:  I think on top of that it also depends on the culture and the personality of the girl you're dating. I have a feeling some of these moves would not work as well in Japan, for instance, as they did in Colombia. Many latin girls are used to touching all the time, so it doesn't scare them off as easily. If you're gaming a girl who is not used to it or where it's not culturally acceptable, then it could work against you. If she's really into you, then it probably doesn't matter either way.

I agree the cultural aspect is sometimes overlooked. Obviously, some guys do better in certain cultures than others. Sometimes we forget this.

In Ukraine and Russia it would not work well either. I am sure Linux would calibrate, in a different environment and still do well, but his game is more perfectly suited for Latinas.

Linux what you do I believe can be taught. Once a guy learns to love women and connect with them verbally, connecting non verbally would be the next step. I also stay in touch usually with girls ive banged unless it was just a funny ons.

Great thread by the way.