Post: #526

Ha!

The appetizers debate lives on!

As always, #teamapps

Post: #527

This is only further proof that a man's work is a man's life.

Hard work is what defines a man - whether that is through his tradecraft, his ability to hold a family together, or his spiritual inclination. Hard work and success sharpen the body, hone the brain, and mend the soul. I feel high when I am executing my tradecraft at levels I have never experienced before - a bizarre sensation that I am almost on autopilot with the basics, allowing me to zoom in on the most minute detail about what is going on around me. It's the work within the work. If you've ever felt it, you understand what I am talking about.

Your work at its highest levels is an art form. An experience that alchemizes your creativity, endeavor, and knowledge into one. I'd venture as far to say that a man without work is a man who is dead.

Here you have the richest men on Earth, who have literally never worked for anything in their lives. For perhaps the first time in humanity, these men are living lives that require no work. Without the drug of work and success, these men are looking for something, anything to give them that same high than any successful man breathes in each day of their fucking lives.

This isn't a sexual thing, this isn't a money thing, this isn't a power thing. This exposes what the true core of masculinity is - work.

Post: #528

(03-04-2015 09:30 AM)MaleDefined Wrote:  Here you have the richest men on Earth, who have literally never worked for anything in their lives. For perhaps the first time in humanity, these men are living lives that require no work. Without the drug of work and success, these men are looking for something, anything to give them that same high than any successful man breathes in each day of their fucking lives.

This isn't a sexual thing, this isn't a money thing, this isn't a power thing. This exposes what the true core of masculinity is - work.

Great post, and I'd argue that it's not just masculinity, but all character, and everything in this world worth having. You can't appreciate wealth if you didn't earn it; you can't appreciate youth until it's gone; you can't appreciate other people's skills if you've not driven yourself to a comparable level of excellence in your own field; you can't appreciate friends or family you grew up around until how far you're willing to put yourself out for each other is actually tested (the results of which often surprise and devastate people during a crisis of any kind).

The ability to appreciate anything comes from personal investment (time, work, energy) and empathy, so it's natural that these sheiks squander their wealth on cheap thrills, and literal shits and giggles.

Post: #529

(03-04-2015 03:34 AM)Biologist Wrote:  I haven't read the whole thread, but I am surprised that so many posters here are shocked by the reality of the situation.

The only thing I am wondering about is the reason these women do this sort of thing?

Financial security? If so, is it worth sacrificing your dignity and sanity for it?
The opportunity to gain attention from extremely rich men?
Narcissism?
Or a combination of these factors?

I know I have mentioned this before but these girls were fucked up before doing this. Dignity and sanity were companions they pushed out of a moving car. Some guys throw this phrase around basic bitch. I hope I am using it right. They got blessed with some genetics but come from nothing. In that world of nothing was probably a tough family life, weak parenting, and similar friends with the same mentality. I am not trying to defend them. One way or the other they were sort of set on having a fucked up life. They just realized to sell their best asset for the short time while they can. I don't imagine any of these whores come from wealthy families right?

If they did, probably just had horrible parents.

I have noticed those with the hardest exteriors, the ones always telling you how amazing they are, are always the most fucked up inside. They are just feeding their pain. We all have pain to some degree, we all deal with it differently.

(03-04-2015 05:38 AM)Jukes Wrote:  The funny thing is girls are going broke overspending to match these girls.

Secret plan to take down the west.

Post: #530

(03-04-2015 07:25 AM)Noir Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 05:00 AM)Sooth Wrote:  They do it to feed the endless void inside created by western society.

I think there are a plethora of reasons they do it, but ultimately it's the same old potion of nasty traits that emerge from a culture in decline - greed, sloth, envy, gluttony, pride etc

There are people and corporations who've figured out how to exploit flaws in humanity for various gains, and they're getting very good at it thanks to technology, both hardware and software.
Once they know how to exploit flaws in human nature, it's in their best interest to have more flaws in human nature.
I think they don't know they're part of the problem. Or even care.

"Woow our new divorce and abortion 2 for 1 kit is selling like hot cakes! And look at the spike in anti depressant sales!"
"Also, John, we need to come up with an easy blister pack suicide pill, I heard that more people are getting into that suicide thing, God knows why... but can I get a proposal by Monday?"

I have been harping on about this for the past 3-4 years, it all comes down to self-esteem

Their self-esteem is externally derived to the point that any revolting, unsavoury and whore-ish behaviour is rationalized, post-event.

Therefore, all of these likes, all of this thirst just fuels their egos and creates a feedback loop in which they genuinely think that this is the best way forward.

Cash money = security
Likes = self-esteem

My sympathies to those whose bubbles have been burst by the thread but from a game/theoretical standpoint, it all checks out despite a lot of us not running in fecal-disposing circles.

Taking the IG example in which these girls have the basics, a smartphone to show off their goods and market that pussy, constant internet to receive the stimulus of thirst and envy etc.

Attention, Validation, Approval -> CHECK

Maslow's hierachy -> security -> self-esteem -> CHECK

Supply < Demand -> price (not financial necessarily) of pussy increases -> CHECK (higher barriers of entry to elite pussy)

Being spoiled and feeling special because their homegirls dream of flying on private jets etc. (girls what other girls want)-> CHECK

It's symptomatic of the:

a) 'highlight reel' culture of social media designed to make others envious and boost your own self-esteem hence: pictures of cool jets but no mention of getting gangbanged

b) materialistic climate which is further enabled by these sugar daddies. These guys provide the 'oxygen' of money/security/attention and these girls cling on to it.

c) collective thirst of guys as polarization occurs and the pareto principle (80/20) is evident. These girls flock to the richest, hottest etc. because of said enabling that it is just accepted. They can whore out as much as they want because so many guys are keen that they will STILL get what they want.

d) 'girls care about what other girls, not guys think of them'; they know that other girls who know how the game works, will respect it. If they don't, it's still drama and attention. If they do, they are winning in the social totem pole in which every woman is against each other. (see: materialistically)

e) these Arab sheikhs, Russian oligarchs, etc. already have status that this is on the down-low. Every woman wants this, to be able to do the nastiest, most deprived things and to get away with it. Us guys with game, just elicit emotions and trust and do it. These guys pay money and sign a non-disclosure agreement and that's it.

Rational (male behaviour) vs emotional (female behaviour).

A stockmarket of pussy, so to speak as women become more rational in their actions.

These are just some thoughts, applying concepts and whatnot.

I discussed how these girls play the game with my airhostess friend and her mother who is in the 50s.

I dropped "men age like wine, women age like milk" and they both looked down and nodded in agreement.

Girls know what’s up and the others who don't are in denial or were never properly ‘groomed’ for the game.

This whole whoredom fits in with the narrative of social dynamics, game and red-pill that it's cliche. Forget about Disney movies and shit, this is the real cliché. The Disney-esque exists to differentiate between men true to their desire and those who are reactive, pinging and thirsty.

In my opinion, most women are indeed red-pill. The fact that they encourage blue-pill behaviour is simply because it is in their own benefit. This is just our culture, a symptom of the 21st century and a whole bunch of stuff echoed by more experienced, repped members.

I don't even advise guys anymore; only my friends, if and when, they specifically request advice.

It's tough for a 23 year old out here when you see girls your age fucking 60 year olds for a glimpse of opulence. Not the fact that they do that, I can accept that but rather, the fact that to be fucked well, they will still come to us guys with game who can influence their state of minds for long periods of time rather than small spikes.

You cannot have your cake and eat it and furthermore, I find it hard be attracted to these girls. They don't deserve me. It's a privilege to be with me.

Zelcorpion mentioned trying to sleep with some slut who’s count was in the 3 digits? No thanks. (no hate, Zel, I think you are a solid guy from your posts)

Alas, this is the slut paradox of wanting a girl who knows how to please but hasn’t been around. Please. Do you think she was in her garden, sucking golf balls through the hose every evening?

I try to filter out these materialistic bitches (and avoid the showerless hobo masculine hoes too). All women like this exist but every woman has a phase in which they go through the gold-diggery. I think eventually, they do, for security as they increasingly understand that their opulent life they have been brainwashed into wanting is not obtainable on their own, without a man. If it is, then they want a guy with game, to fuck them.
I had a sugar momma who would take care of me and all I had to do is come over and blow her mind away. I got over it too, it’s just a phase. She knew the game too. I was one of these girls, for a few months. It was great, I had a temporary ego rush but that makes me a bitch. Once you rely on this stimulus, monetary or materialistic, your power is gone. The only power I had was my cock (like women with their pussy) and my game to fuck other women. Eventually it was another woman who held me down for a while. (read: challenged me)

Every now and then, I will go to a club and take a girl home, she might be materialistic or whatever, but its just an experience.

Women want to be challenged but rewarded. These guys are just rewarding them for being hot, perpetuating this circlejerk of thirst and making it harder for other guys. I can only imagine what my son will have to put up with one day.

Game is your behaviour. Money is an ancillary tool to filter certain traits in women but more importantly, to give you options. It can assist but it won’t get you laid unless you just want to fuck hookers. It will increase your pool but it won't filter the women for you alone; with game it will.

I learned game to not fuck hookers. I have been offered hookers countless times by uncles, family friends etc, culturally it is a thing. I have been to Amsterdam countless times, been in brothels in Germany and boy was I tempted but then you look around and consider how many cocks before you.

As for money in my life:

It's there for me to live the lifestyle I want and deserve. Game is a tool for me to include women into my life and mission. The more I have, the more options I have, the more enticing my journey becomes to women trying to join. Every bitch wants to have a cameo appearance when you got money and that is fine. I accept that I am the only main character in this.

I just feel sorry for the guys looking for a female protagonist because the odds are stacked against this.

No bitch gets a free pass for having won the genetic lottery. If I want to take a shit, I will just go to the toilet, thank you.

Just my opinion and what I try to apply to my life despite focused on money, hobbies, travel and pleasure. I am no king kong game master 9000 with a 10 inch cock and lots of cash.

Thanks WIA, jariel, AB, Moma and TravelerKai et al for the knowledge. It makes me honoured to be part of this forum.

Excellent post. Puts so much into perspective. I think that society has built up these strict rules of shaming and female feminine expectations for a reason. It is like a protection for civilization. Because throughout time men knew that women had the capacity for deep depravity and it was a genie that once let out of the bottle could not be controlled. And it was clever how it was implemented if you think about it. Other women are the ones that do most of the shaming. Like you said women are worried about being seen as a slut by other women not necessarily men. Much more powerful and women are much better able to see it and recognize it for what it is. And now this protection for civilization is being broken down. This is why family background is so important, without that family our civilization would be doomed. And it is breaking down.

Case in point. I had a wealthy friend that was having marital problems several years ago and he decided to take his wife out to California for one of these sex retreats where you go with other couples and they teach you how to really have better sex with your spouse. Very next level sexual stuff. She of course did not want to go. She was ashamed of the whole process but she went. (they really did not need a sexual retreat, my friend just needed to man up and take the red pill).

Anyway they went and he told me the first day it was like pulling teeth she was shy and hiding and not cooperative. But this turned to curiosity, and then to intense interest, and finally by the end of they week she had become a full blown wild slut trying everything under the sun, pushing my friend manically. My friend was freaking out. Because he was still the same blue pill beta he just want to be able to fuck his own wife. When talking with him about it he was truly afraid of her now. He did not know what was going to happen next. This retreat was able to give her the permission to be that inner slut in front of her husband. He just did not know what to do with it.

Another story. When I started on my redpill journey a couple of years ago. I started dating this cute little 24yo I am 52. She was sexual and smart and had a good job. One day after fucking her she confessed to me in disgust how this older man she had went on a date with. Offered her $500 for her to piss on him and $1000 for her to shit on him. No sex just the shit. I just looked at her and tried not to react too much, but I was still very beta back then. And just said some people will do anything. I think if she had been offered a trip to Dubai for the big bucks she would have probably done it though. Even though she had a good job she was always hard up for money.

Finally as I type this I am looking out my home office window and I can see my neighbors house. He is a great guy very nerdy college professor. Really nice family several kids but of course you never really know what goes on inside a family. His wife is a Mormon,his oldest daughter is 21 and hot, really hot. Long dark hair piercing eyes, huge double d tits on a petite frame. She is kind of the black sheep in the family, does not really have any direction. Waitress bartender jobs, has moved in and out a couple of times. Her friend is staying with her now and she is very hot and friendly also, (careful Reco don't shit where you eat lol). Anyway I now remember that the daughter had applied for a flight hostess on Emirates Air about two years ago. She did not get it. Not sure why. Was it because she was not hot enough or maybe she heard the stories and was not willing? Seems they probably screen them somehow before they hire them. I never thought anything about it until now.

Game sure can reveal things to you that are happening right under your nose.

Post: #531

(03-04-2015 11:38 AM)reco2100 Wrote:  Offered her $500 for her to piss on him and $1000 for her to shit on him.

You should've casually asked "what did you spend the money on"

Post: #532

(03-04-2015 11:16 AM)samsamsam Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 03:34 AM)Biologist Wrote:  I haven't read the whole thread, but I am surprised that so many posters here are shocked by the reality of the situation.

The only thing I am wondering about is the reason these women do this sort of thing?

Financial security? If so, is it worth sacrificing your dignity and sanity for it?
The opportunity to gain attention from extremely rich men?
Narcissism?
Or a combination of these factors?

I know I have mentioned this before but these girls were fucked up before doing this. Dignity and sanity were companions they pushed out of a moving car. Some guys throw this phrase around basic bitch. I hope I am using it right. They got blessed with some genetics but come from nothing. In that world of nothing was probably a tough family life, weak parenting, and similar friends with the same mentality. I am not trying to defend them. One way or the other they were sort of set on having a fucked up life. They just realized to sell their best asset for the short time while they can. I don't imagine any of these whores come from wealthy families right?

If they did, probably just had horrible parents.

I have noticed those with the hardest exteriors, the ones always telling you how amazing they are, are always the most fucked up inside. They are just feeding their pain. We all have pain to some degree, we all deal with it differently.

(03-04-2015 05:38 AM)Jukes Wrote:  The funny thing is girls are going broke overspending to match these girls.

Secret plan to take down the west.

This is so true. I think if you dug deep you would see the broken pieces. Poor family upbringing, not necessarily poverty of money but a poverty of character from parents. Possible abuse, alcoholism, drugs, add to this the moral decline of our society, our new electronic feedback system, and finally the ability to remain anonymous to any shaming and you have a really dangerous brew.

I honestly don't think these women were born this way they were made this way by, shitty parents loose morals and the indulgence of their good looks. Add in the big money and you are literally in deep shit.

Also one other factor and that is many kids are heavily indulged during their upbringing. I have seen more broken and severely broken people via spoiling and indulgent parents than any other thing. And if they are good looking this just carries on into their adult and sexual life. Humans were not meant to live this way.

One final thing. Like attracts like. Psychiatrists have a saying there is never one sick person in a relationship. These sheikhs are sick and they attract these sick broken women. Funny how they find each other all the way across the world. Technology can be a bitch.

Post: #533

(03-04-2015 11:47 AM)vinman Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 11:38 AM)reco2100 Wrote:  Offered her $500 for her to piss on him and $1000 for her to shit on him.

You should've casually asked "what did you spend the money on"

Ha!

Post: #534

"Shit test" just took on a whole different meaning.

Post: #535

Maybe these Sheiks do this shit, pun intended because of their intense dislike of the West, infidels and their inherent misogyny. It is the only logical explanation.

Post: #536

(03-05-2015 12:06 AM)Pride male Wrote:  Maybe these Sheiks do this shit, pun intended because of their intense dislike of the West, infidels and their inherent misogyny. It is the only logical explanation.

If you were a billionaire whom breaks the supposed morals of your own religion the last thing on your mind is hating the West. Realize these guys are in essence Westerners as they are educated in the West, have Western style clothing casually, listen to Western music, drink alcohol, and hire prostitutes. Why the hell would they hate the West when they are indulging in its pleasure. The Muslim Wahhabi clergy on the other hand probably do. The "they hate us for our freedoms" Schtick is overused and the underlying causes are far more complex.

Post: #537

What I can't get past is the actual act of shit-play.

I see this scenario in my head of shitting on a girl or her shitting on me, and try to envision how I feel after. Needless to say, it's not very good. So what kind of person gets off on this?

Here's my take.

I've read through most of this thread but not 100%, so if this point was already made then ignore it.

I think some guys here underestimate the power of being desired by women. We talk a lot about not needing validation and doing things for ourselves and all that, but noone can deny the awesome feeling of being desired by women. Very few things in life offer the same rush, it's right up there with the feeling after a great workout and for similar reasons. Being desired by women is affirming to one's manhood like very little else.

I don't think Arab men are desired, and I think they know it. I doubt these sponsors have ever played the self-improvement game and had a woman legitimately attracted to them for who they are. They've never walked into a bar by themselves and had 3 women start eye-fucking them. It's not a scenario they're familiar with. Surely they get attention because of their extreme wealth but this is different.

It's easy for us regular Joes to fantasize about that kind of wealth, "Goddamn, the things I'd do..." but listen to Gringuito, he's been posting gold since he signed on. I've witnessed god knows how many rich dudes in Brentwood and Bel Air driving a Veyron or McLaren with a seriously busted 50+ year old woman in the passenger seat. Well maybe that was his high school sweetheart, great, but the point still stands that money is not the golden ticket that many guys think it is.

So back to our Arab friends. I think they know that they're not desired by women, not by the women they crave (white woman obsession a la IRT) they know during sex with these women that the women are not attracted to them. Since they cannot get these woman through means of human attraction, they feel the need to destroy or desecrate the object of their desire, and that's where the shit comes in.

Just my $.02

Post: #538

(03-05-2015 12:40 AM)Veloce Wrote:  they feel the need to destroy or desecrate the object of their desire, and that's where the shit comes in.

Reminds me of serial killers. Most of them were rejected by women when they were teenagers. A good example is Robert Hansen who had a terrible stutter and a face with acne pockmarks. He was shunned by females his whole life- I remember reading a book by John Douglas (FBI criminal profiler) and he had learned Hansen had asked a girl out in high school, but he was so nervous and feeble that the girl started laughing at him and told everyone at school what a loser he was. Flash forward 20-30 years and he was capturing prostitutes in Anchorage, flying them to his hunting cabin in the woods and freeing them into the wild, buck naked... only to hunt them down with a rifle as if he was tracking wild game. Obviously the paying of girls to shit on them pales in comparison to this, but you bring up a good point- if one perceives that they are undeserving of the women that they desire, a pathological hatred boils up, and the urge to degrade or even destroy the objects of their affections may fester deep inside of them. This isn't a racial thing at all (although I see where you are coming from)- it can happen to anyone...

Edit- another example is Andrei Chikatilo. Complete inability to have normal sexual relationships with women, although he was married it was a complete sham in order to fit societal norms:

Quote:In 1963, Chikatilo married a woman named Feodosia Odnacheva, to whom he had been introduced by his younger sister. According to Chikatilo, although he was attracted to Feodosia, his marriage was basically an arranged one which occurred barely two weeks after they had met and in which the decisive roles were played by his sister and her husband.[30]

Chikatilo later claimed that his marital sex life was minimal and that, after his wife understood he was unable to maintain an erection, they agreed she would conceive by his ejaculating externally and pushing his semen inside her vagina with his fingers.[31] In 1965, Feodosia gave birth to a daughter, Lyudmila. Four years later, in 1969, a son named Yuri was born.[30]

To compensate for his failings as a man, he would take it out on young women and even boys he was envious of.

Post: #539

So they still do their five prayers, go to the mosque and read the Koran after shitting on whores. Hypocrisy.

Post: #540

I think that these are the kind of guys that qualify. Apparently they call them 'gulfies'. They flock to London every summer and take their supercars with them. There's a 45min documentary about them. I really don't think they hate the West.

Post: #541

The Sheiks act like their shit dont stink.

Post: #542

(03-05-2015 12:40 AM)Veloce Wrote:  I see this scenario in my head of shitting on a girl or her shitting on me, and try to envision how I feel after. Needless to say, it's not very good. So what kind of person gets off on this?

I remember a post of Roosh that rhetorically asked ''You can't capture beauty, so what's the point of desiring always more beautiful women?'' Maybe what our Arab friends are trying to do is capture their beauty. If you shit on a beautiful woman and make her bath in your piss, she is no longer beautiful to you anymore. You have successfully taken away her beauty, you are done with her. This might be the Sheikh equivalent of notch collecting. We go around collecting beautiful women by banging them, we are usually done with them after an easy bang. They do it by shitting on them. Just a theory.

Post: #543

On the other hand, while I admire all these theories why the arab sheikhs do it, I think we're romanticizing them a bit too much now. There's nothing deep or complicated about them. They are just following random bestial instincts. Today it's shitting, tomorrow it will be vomiting, and the day after that it might be that squid thing from my sig. You never know.

Post: #544

(03-04-2015 11:16 AM)samsamsam Wrote:  I know I have mentioned this before but these girls were fucked up before doing this. Dignity and sanity were companions they pushed out of a moving car. Some guys throw this phrase around basic bitch. I hope I am using it right. They got blessed with some genetics but come from nothing. In that world of nothing was probably a tough family life, weak parenting, and similar friends with the same mentality. I am not trying to defend them. One way or the other they were sort of set on having a fucked up life. They just realized to sell their best asset for the short time while they can. I don't imagine any of these whores come from wealthy families right?

If they did, probably just had horrible parents.

I have noticed those with the hardest exteriors, the ones always telling you how amazing they are, are always the most fucked up inside. They are just feeding their pain. We all have pain to some degree, we all deal with it differently.

I think sexual abuse of them as children is a fairly likely scenario and one way this sort of pain is inflicted and this sort of behaviour is acting out to avoid that pain. I should emphasise I'm not talking about marginal or lineball cases like 16 year olds banging the 20 year old football stars, I'm talking about penetration of 10 year olds or younger. That does irreparable damage to how you look at sex and how you look at yourself as a person. Back in the days when I was doing criminal defence work, it got to the point where you could just about hand out a "tick the box" sheet on clients' backgrounds: "Were you abused by uncle/grandfather/stepfather/aunt/all of the above" and all that.

Post: #545

Y'all are thinking way too much on this now.. It was fun after the first couple pages. But now it's just droning on an on.

I can see bits of jealousy and hints of prejudice starting to show.
Just like the anchor babies thread...

Post: #546

Im a young guy in my early 20s and I almost remember the very month when normal dudes couldn't land 8s and 9s anymore.

I'm very lucky to have met some fine ass women in college, as if I went to college just 3 years later I would have been stuck with only 6s and 7s


IG and Tinder in America is a marketing platform for the top elite men. net worths over 7 figures, professional athletes, and actors. If you aren't one of them in your sphere, either grovel for 6s/10 or learn game and travel.


It's not just IG either - the hottest girls are also "booked" on Tinder too. One of my buddies playing pro baseball has listed some favorite cities (Scotsdale Az being his favorite) where all he has to do is jump on tinder for 30 minutes and have a dime lined up.


There was a point in college where I happily laid back and thought I was a very satisfied man with the trim I was pulling. Now, I couldnt pull up these same chicks if I tried.



This is why, men, we now NEED to travel. unless you have your own niche in America locked down, or have connections, you are invisible.


I believe now it's a necessity for most men to pull their quality abroad. I know the thread sounds a bit depressing Source, but sometimes we need to rally the troops and come up with a new plan of action. we don't NEED American women.

Post: #547

delete

Post: #548

Great post man vs machine. Sad to think that the days of being able to get with a hot girl who isn't inundated with offers from hundreds of other guys is gone.

Just as bad, the entitled attitude spills over into other aspects of life and just makes even plain women act like bitches to all men. (I just experienced this last night -- bitchy rude behavior from a group of boring looking girls I didn't even approach or hit on).

Post: #549

I don't think its all that depressing, my brother.

just 3 years ago IG wasn't a thing. but after, it created a poosy paradise for wealthy men!

There will always be innovations coming out that may give you such an advantage.

the world is constantly in flux. traveling to the same countries that I did years ago wouldn't give me the same success I had back then - however, the opposite is just as likely to be true!

Don't let the stuff get you down.

Post: #550

(03-05-2015 08:29 AM)ManVsMachine Wrote:  Im a young guy in my early 20s and I almost remember the very month when normal dudes couldn't land 8s and 9s anymore.

I'm very lucky to have met some fine ass women in college, as if I went to college just 3 years later I would have been stuck with only 6s and 7s

IG and Tinder in America is a marketing platform for the top elite men. net worths over 7 figures, professional athletes, and actors. If you aren't one of them in your sphere, either grovel for 6s/10 or learn game and travel.

It's not just IG either - the hottest girls are also "booked" on Tinder too. One of my buddies playing pro baseball has listed some favorite cities (Scotsdale Az being his favorite) where all he has to do is jump on tinder for 30 minutes and have a dime lined up.

There was a point in college where I happily laid back and thought I was a very satisfied man with the trim I was pulling. Now, I couldnt pull up these same chicks if I tried.

This is why, men, we now NEED to travel. unless you have your own niche in America locked down, or have connections, you are invisible.

I believe now it's a necessity for most men to pull their quality abroad. I know the thread sounds a bit depressing Source, but sometimes we need to rally the troops and come up with a new plan of action. we don't NEED American women.

Maybe this needs to be moved to another thread about the realities of girls in the US. When you where in college most likely there were more women than men, they were mostly 18-22 at their peak, and just moved away from their parents. There aren't many better places to get laid now in the US then in college if you have game. Of course when you leave that closed environment it's going to get worse. Just like an alpha widow you adjusted to getting laid by young hot women. Now you're in the workplace where women are older, fatter, and entitled.

Should you be structuring your life to travel or move abroad, absolutely. Most of the US/Western based people on this forum are doing just that for good reason. The average western women is less attractive than in more traditional countries. They are also addicted to the virtual validation of social media and thirsty guys. Many of them don't feel the need to improve their looks because of the attention they get.

I'm not sure about 7-figure, actor, pro-athletes taking all the girls. There are so few of these guys that they can't spend much time with any one girl. I think the problem is that with social media the average western girl can "feel" that the apex guy is attainable. One guy may respond to a tweet of hers, or like something she said on FB, or view her IG photo. It creates an expectation and virtual alpha widow that won't settle for less.

I really think that this is happening to both men and women in the west. Not to pick on you ManVsMachine, but why do you expect to be able to get 8s-10s, the upper 10% of women? I don't know you and perhaps you're in the top 1% of guys. But be honest with yourself, are you in the top 20% expecting the top 10% of women? The hamster stops for noone.