(07-12-2016 04:54 PM)Huey Wrote:  I've never understood why white nationalists hate black men who date white women. They're fine (to a certain extent) with Jews and other non-black men dating white women, but when it's a black man, all hell breaks loose. Are we that much of a threat to them?

No matter what you tell them or what science says they believe we are an inferior "race" and they don't want their "race" to be contaminated. I put race in quotations because of it being a social construct and not a scientific one.

(07-12-2016 05:35 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Anyone been to Kenya or South Africa?

My usual African interests are Ghana, Nigeria, and Senegal. I feel like East Africa, save Ethiopia

WIA

I would really like to go to Tanzania, Nigeria, Kenya, and Ethiopia

(07-12-2016 05:35 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Anyone been to Kenya or South Africa?

My usual African interests are Ghana, Nigeria, and Senegal. I feel like East Africa, save Ethiopia

WIA

I was in Kenya last summer and wrote about it in the Nairobi, Kenya thread. Definitely a must visit if you hit Africa.

(07-11-2016 12:16 PM)the high Wrote:  Toronto gets a bad rap on this forum, but after passing through Toronto for a few hours, my laymen's opinion is as a Black man you can do damage out here especially if you're targeting non-whites. Anyone else agree?

I'm going to spend a weekend out here later on this year to get a better assessment.

What gave you such a + opinion of Toronto? When do you think you're coming back?

(07-13-2016 08:04 AM)Banna Wrote:  

(07-11-2016 12:16 PM)the high Wrote:  Toronto gets a bad rap on this forum, but after passing through Toronto for a few hours, my laymen's opinion is as a Black man you can do damage out here especially if you're targeting non-whites. Anyone else agree?

I'm going to spend a weekend out here later on this year to get a better assessment.

What gave you such a + opinion of Toronto? When do you think you're coming back?

Like I said I was only there briefly and no lays but the vibe I got was a positive one.

I'll probably be back mid-August.

Quick question should I be more aggressive when getting at women or more laid back. I much rather try to get a chick right then and there. But laid back has also gotten me tons of attention and puss.

@top shelf

You need to understand what game is. Low energy or high energy, direct or indirect means nothing if you don't know what you're doing or even aware that you're actually doing something.

WIA

Continue @WIA

Question. Is it best to go direct or indirect?

I notice when I go direct the girls sometimes blush. Like they cant believe I just said that.

Indirect I feel like I have to work harder to really go for the kill when its pretty obvious why Im talking to them. And it makes it more akward.

Thats just me.

Anyone have that experience?

There are books on the topic.

But if you're just running up on chicks and expecting them to like you, it's a numbers game. Talk to enough broads, some of em are going to like what they see.

You could probably tighten up your look, workout, new clothes, ...basically preen yourself to look good. Basically you're adopting the woman's initial strategy. (Players use her strategy, his strategy and everything. )

That's not the black man's game, or game in general. That's what squares do. They focus on the surface. They don't look at how the game is played beneath the surface.

Traditionally black players haven't had the resources to dress in the best, drive the best, live in the best. Etc. But we still had needs

And when it comes to the body, as a group we have height and muscles - but plenty of dudes within our group have that but have no bitches. And lots of us don't have the face or the body, but we get chicks.

It's because players focus on the important shit, how we make a chick feel in the moment.

So when the new player realizes that it's about her feelings and her emotions - then he stops focusing on dumb shit as his primary means of pulling. He does the secondary stuff for himself. Make money for you, lift for you, dress well for you, not for bitches.

Most pimps are old and out of shape. But the way they talk to chicks and handle their emotions gets them to suck 20 dicks a day.

And since it's coming down to just talking, you can beat around the bush or you can go straight for the kill, high or low energy - the manner of delivery is style and personal preference - the important part is making her feel something. Ideally a full range of emotions.

If all you do is spit at a chick, she's making an uninformed decision. She's just going off her immediate feelings without your influence and guidance. And she's not doing it rationally.

You'll never pull every bitch, there are some chicks that wouldn't fuck Obama. But you're selling yourself short by forcing decisions without truly presenting what you have to offer.

This may sound like me pushing you to be indirect and chill, but you can be hype and direct - but the key is making her feel something before you go for the skins.

A square sees a cute chick on the street.

"Excuse me miss, hi my name is, you look .....can i get your number?"

The direct player steps up to the same chick with a smirk.

"You look like the type of girl that...."

In one sentence.
- player shows confidence
- he risks his ego
- he makes a cold read that she typically will respond to
- the smirk and the player's audacity tell the girl straight up, he's hollering at her.

But unlike the first square approach, she's on defense from the cold read. That's a power imbalance. It's a different emotional state than the typical.

The player is focusing on saying (and doing) things that she feels, not stuff to make her think. And he keeps hitting her in the feels.

The next step is just the step up/approach, the eye contact, the body language, the personal space. When it comes to the rap, the content is less and less important. The direct or indirect, high or low doesn't matter.

The pimps and certain types of naturals figured this out a long time ago. And once you see it, you will see it everywhere - especially outside of picking up chicks.

Stick around this post and you'll start to pick up on what we're saying

WIA

(07-14-2016 11:42 AM)Brown Pride Wrote:  Question. Is it best to go direct or indirect?

I notice when I go direct the girls sometimes blush. Like they cant believe I just said that.

Indirect I feel like I have to work harder to really go for the kill when its pretty obvious why Im talking to them. And it makes it more akward.

Thats just me.

Anyone have that experience?

Your experience is inexperience. And probably because you've had bad teachers giving you worse information.

Watch Inglorious Bastards, specifically the parts with the Nazi guy hunting down folks. In that opening scene he's just basically bullshitting with the family hiding people. But he creates a tension with them.

There's also great tension for the audience because we know that the family has people under the floor, but between the characters Walz/the script create a tension.

That's indirect game.

If you're asking her where you can find a lava lamp repair shop or some other nonsense without realizing that you need to be creating tension - of course you will feel weird. You have no direction and the conversation is missing important elements.

When you go direct, you have direction. It's easier to do, more honest, more in line with your feelings. So without really understanding game, it's more effective.

When you have game, it's preference. Indirect is infinitely more useful. But put yourself in Puerto Rico, and your Espanol is weak and her Ingles no es bueno - direct is what you need.

WIA

@WestindidianArchie

Thank you now
If I and a girl is just having a conversation
What are ways to get into her where she's feels
Where she isn't thinking.

I like to ramble at the mouth
Keep a decent smirk and send fuck me eyes
It can work but what is great conversation what
I'm missing is that million dollar mouthpiece.

I need that Lil Wayne Jay z mouthpiece
Upgrading from a chief keef (which is decent)

You're missing what I'm saying.
You need to focus on delivery way before you get to content.

So let's say you see a cutie at the mall with a Victoria's Secret bag, and she's looking into her phone. She's wearing high heels, jeans, and got what looks like an expensive bag in the crook of her elbow.

1) what do you know, and what can you assume about this girl

Then

2) Tell me what you would say

WIA

^"That's a nice bag. Did you get it on sale?"

*smirk, eye contact, hint of sarcasm. Lightly poking fun of her for loving sales. Maybe a chuckle afterwards if she doesn't realize I'm joking around with her.

@WM

Playing with fire, but that's good. There's a good chance she's going to react to that, but it's bit of a neg.

So what if she's like I DIDN'T GET THIS ON SALE

I know how I'd follow up
What would you say?

WIA

I like fire

^"Yeah, yeah. I know you're hiding some old coupons in there somewhere"

(Same attitude and smirk as before. I would say "old" if she was particularly attractive, or young and attractive)

I would also use this as an opportunity to tap her bag-holding arm, or forearm, or shoulder. I want to cross the touch barrier as soon as possible.

Then right after I could easily segway with "omg, my mom is CRAZY about coupons. She has a little ziploc bag with HUNDREDS of them"

(continue talking about that, making shit up along the way maybe)

*I animate my body language so she can really get into the story.*

(07-14-2016 03:57 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  You're missing what I'm saying.
You need to focus on delivery way before you get to content.

So let's say you see a cutie at the mall with a Victoria's Secret bag, and she's looking into her phone. She's wearing high heels, jeans, and got what looks like an expensive bag in the crook of her elbow.

1) what do you know, and what can you assume about this girl

Then

2) Tell me what you would say

WIA

(1) I know she has moderate to well taste and prefers to buy (assumingly) her under garments from Vickies

(2) Depends really, but I'm probably still going for slight neg. However, maybe something like, "Is Vicky having a sale today, I need to pick up a few things myself," followed by a smile and/or wink. Or with all this Pokemon shit going on lately, I'd probably asked if she's seen any nearby, lol.

I'd be interested to hear others approaches.

And you'd get a range of reactions from the girl.

So now that she is talking, excited, nervous, angry, bewildered - what then?

Where do you take it?

@Dime

Sounds good so far.

1) What emotional response are you expecting? What do you think is common?

2) What do you think your approach tells her about you? What are you communicating on the top layer and on the low?

What comes next?

If she reacts poorly or reacts well, now you're in the game because you have something to work with.

It's when she doesn't react that you got to dig deeper.

WIA

(07-14-2016 04:51 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  And you'd get a range of reactions from the girl.

So now that she is talking, excited, nervous, angry, bewildered - what then?

Where do you take it?

Since this is the high point, I just do the basic "I gotta go now, but you're cute. I'll take your number in my phone and we'll go for a drink".

(I'm considering not saying "give me your number" anymore. The word give just seems so weak to me now. )

When I get a smart phone I'll just say "I gotta go now, but you're cute. Here, put your number in my phone" and hand it to her.

@WM

So no instadate?

When you call/text do you expect her to be in the same good mood as when you pulled her?

WIA

(07-14-2016 05:25 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  @WM

So no instadate?

When you call/text do you expect her to be in the same good mood as when you pulled her?

WIA

"Matter fact, gimme my phone back. Hop on."

*I put her on my back piggyback style and we run straight to my apartment.*

(07-14-2016 05:02 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  @Dime


1) What emotional response are you expecting? What do you think is common?

2) What do you think your approach tells her about you? What are you communicating on the top layer and on the low?

What comes next?

If she reacts poorly or reacts well, now you're in the game because you have something to work with.

It's when she doesn't react that you got to dig deeper.

WIA

(1) Humor is what I'm trying to solicit most often. Being a big black man, its my go to pitch to disarm anyone. Her level of disarmament would dictate what I do next.

(2) My approach conveys, as cliche and douchey as it sounds, cocky-funny. On the top, I'm communicating that I find her no more unapproachable than someone standing in line at a grocery store. On the low, what's this guys angle, tension building from the indirectness.

(a) If she's reacting positively, where I don't feel like a TV news reporter interviewing someone with tepid one word responses, I would immediately try to build more comfort with my arsenal of charm. (More jokes, slightly negging etc), hopefully getting the same or some level thereof in return. I'd instruct her to walk with me, how I could use her opinion on something I was just looking at and contemplating buying. (I'd make something up if I had to)

(b) If she's standoffish (usually can tell right away), I'd plow a bit deeper just to see if maybe she's just socially awkward (surprisingly, many attractive women are), if so, then back to (a). But if she's truly not trying to have it, then I'll just politely keep it moving. If she's has attitude, I might say some crazy shit like fuck you too and walk off, lol. But the latter has never happened outside of night game.

I've found that as i'm getting closer to finishing up grad school my desire to spit funny fire lines has diminished, but my pull rate has actually went up. My most recent pulls have been off me just going up and saying Hey what's up. No lines, no observations just Hey. I think i'm becoming overly cocky with abundance mentality and it's coming off well. I do shit now that i've never done. Walk up to sets of 3-5 girls and don't even bother doing that entertain the group shit or please the mother hen. I go straight over to who I want and spit. I get rejected sometimes, but honestly, that shit doesn't bother me one bit.

WalkingMan, those lines are cool. But for me, it's trying to hard and I think girls can sense that sort of. I also eject quick instead of pulling through. A chick is giving me taciturn response, I hit them with the "How long have you had autism?" Or "This conversation is dryer than my scalp." And just go on about my day. Maybe a different kind of game at this point, but not give a fuck game is actually pretty successful IMO.

-CD

(07-14-2016 08:17 PM)coverdoc Wrote:  My most recent pulls have been off me just going up and saying Hey what's up. No lines, no observations just Hey. I think i'm becoming overly cocky with abundance mentality and it's coming off well.
-CD

Nice! I think chicks definitely respect and appreciate the forwardness, and it probably conveys confidence more so than cockiness. The older I get, I'm seeing directness is more effective because older folks just don't have much time to waste. Sounds like you figured out "there is no spoon." lol