Kirdiesel - Do you have to look African for African girls to like you? To most non black people, WE all look the same.

The only thing that sets us apart is the way we dress.

Germany has always been very good to black men, my good African friend goes through nice looking German girls like water. He usually meets them in Ibiza every year he goes.

It is no secret that the US Army boy's have been tearing down the place for years.

Maybe it is time to turn off Tinder and find another alternative, daygame perhaps.

^ I am beginning to think that even in china day game is going to be end up being my main cheese. I'm going to get better photos on my online profile before I write it off, but we will see.

(06-20-2016 04:12 PM)therealpoder Wrote:  Online dating makes discrimination easier and women pickier.

If a woman has a only slight preference for white guys and is willing to date men of other races but receives hundreds of messages from well put together white guys then she doesn't need to consider men of other races.

If that same woman was approached offline, she wouldn't be as selective since she guys aren't approaching her like that.

From what I understand though, online dating is very location based. I have heard about black guys doing well in Minnesota and out west.

Another thing, the biggest advantage of approaching in person is that it is easier to tell jokes, create a smooth conversation, use body language and so on. You lose all of those advantages online. Those are necessary skills for even if you got the woman off line, if your vibe isn't right, you aren't going to get her. A lot of women switch to online dating because they complain that they can't meet guys in real life. So if you are approaching in person you are already ahead of the pack.

I wouldn't take rejection online though. It really doesn't convey who you are and it just gives women too much choice. Even ugly women who in earlier times wouldn't receive a second look can get attention. It makes the modern woman too arrogant. I don't want to feed into the already large ego of the modern western woman.

I can't lie though. The ease of online dating is fantastic and if it did work for me, I'm sure I'd feel differently.

Thanks so much for writing this.

I have to remember that the online dating me is not the real me, and never will be.

They are not declining me, they are declining a poor substitute of the idea of me.

(06-21-2016 09:32 AM)Fortis Wrote:  ^ I am beginning to think that even in china day game is going to be end up being my main cheese. I'm going to get better photos on my online profile before I write it off, but we will see.

How has online been working for you? I did very little online while I was in Thailand. I was fairly satisfied with my sex life, but I kinda regret not experimenting just a bit more. I had tons of time on my hands. My excuse was that I didn't live in Bangkok or Chiang Mai.

(06-21-2016 09:11 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Kirdiesel - Do you have to look African for African girls to like you? To most non black people, WE all look the same.

The only thing that sets us apart is the way we dress.

Germany has always been very good to black men, my good African friend goes through nice looking German girls like water. He usually meets them in Ibiza every year he goes.

It is no secret that the US Army boy's have been tearing down the place for years.

Maybe it is time to turn off Tinder and find another alternative, daygame perhaps.

No they don't but I have noticed they gravitate more to the African guys.

Either I'm too picky or I'm in the wrong city but "very good" is an overstatement. I'd give here a 3/5 here.

Your African friend cleaning up in Ibiza has no validity because it isn't in Germany.. they are on vacation there and Ive even found German girls (aupairs or visitors) in America easier than local German girls here.. It a different mindset.

US army guys are based around TWO cities Kaiserslautern and Wiesbaden so there aren't any of them cleaning up around here or anywhere else in Germany besides those places.... like I said.. maybe you are right and I'm in the wrong city...

I will be heading to Berlin in a month or so and will report back observations.

Normally I run night game or online game... don't run any day game at all.

I'm gonna start snapping pictures of girls I see brothers with out here.

Quick Edit: I don't want to sound disrespectful like you don't know what you are talking about but ive lived here for over 5 years and I'm tired of reading overhyped information on here instead of people telling it like it is... I really try to be truthful about MY experiences and talk about mine alone. Ive noticed Germany seems to be a controversial country on here with much hate or love from different people.

Kirdiesel - No problem my man.

You are on the ground running, so I don't dispute what you say.

I was not trying to paint it as being easier, although I do think it would be easier than the West.

(06-21-2016 10:41 AM)WalkingMan Wrote:  

(06-21-2016 09:32 AM)Fortis Wrote:  ^ I am beginning to think that even in china day game is going to be end up being my main cheese. I'm going to get better photos on my online profile before I write it off, but we will see.

How has online been working for you? I did very little online while I was in Thailand. I was fairly satisfied with my sex life, but I kinda regret not experimenting just a bit more. I had tons of time on my hands. My excuse was that I didn't live in Bangkok or Chiang Mai.

All things considered, getting laid in china is easy, but I want to streamline the process here. One way I'm going to do that is with better photos for online. Most foreigners here have SHIT photos, but they clean up online. So for me:

A. Perhaps I'm not as good looking as I thought.

or

B. My photos need an upgrade.

Since my massive ego doesn't allow A to be true I'm going with B . Getting quality photography in China is very affordable because of how undervalued services like photography are. I already set the date, picked the clothes and waiting. I'll report back with results from good photos.

Day game in China is unique for me because I speak very little chinese. That said, I have done it before and had mixed results. If she speaks english, I'M IN.

if she doesn't? Usually I just wander off. I live near a university here so the english level is slightly higher than average.

I am seriously considering recommitting to learning chinese, but I am more interested in adding 0s to my bank account. That said, I have come into a ton of free time recently, so it's just a matter of time management. I can and will definitely learn 50 new sentences in chinese.

Overall, i'd say china is medium difficulty level but can be ridiculously easy with a bit of brainpower (language, photos, social circles).

I know of an older black american man (seriously over 50) who pulls like crazy because of a certain niche works in. It's pretty nuts.

(06-21-2016 05:54 PM)Fortis Wrote:  I am seriously considering recommitting to learning chinese, but I am more interested in adding 0s to my bank account.

What's the play here?

I'm assuming you're going to export something to States/Canada/Europe?

The big buzz in the "quit your job by having an internet business" crowd is doing Fulfilled by Amazon

product
- good profit margin
- low competition
- white label the product, slight improvement, market and sell

or market first then sell. The real value is the branding, given that if whatever you end up moving is popular - people what the "original"

WIA

^ Shenzhen is definitely the city for that. I have a few friends who have worked as engineers in the factories and have opened my eyes to a lot of that shit. A lot of so called "knock-off" stuff is actually made in the same factories as the real stuff here. So parts and everything just printed generically with no markings.

When Prada puts in that order for 103434234 Prada bags @ $10 a piece that factory guy is always printing a few extra (200+) for himself and pushing them on the side since the bags probably cost like $1 to make and no one will notice those extra bags among the hundreds of thousands of bags in crates. Pretty wild.

The only thing that makes those bags knock-off is that Prada isn't getting the profit there, haha.

I'm not doing anything with import/export here, but it is viable. I have something else in mind. It isn't fully set in stone but I recently just got settled again in SZ after some wild shit went down, but feeling good.

(01-26-2015 09:10 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  Can you guys try to tone down the " black" thing a bit and maybe run another version that's more universal?

The gall...

Hey guys long time no comment lol.

I do well on online game and I know another forum member who kills it more than I do. It's really not location based for me. In Berlin I received about 3-5 matches a day. In Mexico about the same, in the southeast U.S. about the same. I'd say my range online is 5-7 and realworld my range is 6.5(yeah the .5 counts haters) to 8.

Some things that help i think: My first photo is usually of me smiling and my hair showing. I've been told by numerous people I have a nice bright smile and my pictures reflect that. I also have colorful photos in terms of what i'm wearing and really give off the vibe that i'm fun and chill in my pics. Only one sentence in my bio, usually some movie quote. My looks are average at best and pics all shot on iphone 5. I just play up my nice smile and girls always react to the same shit.

In terms of matching and meeting. I genuinely and honestly don't give a fuck about any girl i communicate with online. I message them with literally the same template and response with little changes here and there. I always plans to meet within 3 days and don't play this next week, idk, too long response game. I've stopped talking to plenty of women(33% of numbers i get) , who thought they were goddess, because droves of beta guys boosted their head up only for me to bring them back down to reality with the utmost quickness. I have absolutely no problem pulling in the real world and it really adds to my confidence and cockiness online as I know I can go to the local starbucks to take a shit and meet the next hipster chick curious about my take on depression and psychotherapeutic drugs. And trust me fellas, 75% of the women who "study" in starbucks are there to be seen or for someone to talk to them.

If online game is your only bread and butter, i recommend at least going out and having a chat with the people at your local coffee shop or grocery store to stay sharp. Online game really does make you rusty in the real world and you began to develop the same beta like qualities of the other gazillion dudes online afraid to approach in the real world.

I'll leave you with this tad bit: Online dating ratios are usually 1 girl for every 50 guys. It's not 1 girl for 50 guys in the real world, so most of those other 49 real world girls(excluding married, committed relationship, party sluts etc) are going about their day not receiving any attention from men at all.

-CD

(06-21-2016 11:01 PM)TheKongoEmpire Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 09:10 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  Can you guys try to tone down the " black" thing a bit and maybe run another version that's more universal?

The gall...

El-mech is joking. It's his schtick. Don't get too riled up.

(06-21-2016 11:56 PM)coverdoc Wrote:  Hey guys long time no comment lol.

My first photo is usually of me smiling and my hair showing. I've been told by numerous people I have a nice bright smile and my pictures reflect that. I also have colorful photos in terms of what i'm wearing and really give off the vibe that i'm fun and chill in my pics.

My looks are average at best and pics all shot on iphone 5. I just play up my nice smile and girls always react to the same shit.

Holy fuck this is me!! Can you PM or email me your profile and what it looks like? Do you do 1 on 1 consulting?

I know it was mentioned a couple pages back, but I am wholeheartedly interested in creating a forum dedicated to upwardly mobile enlightened brothers who enjoy travel and a variety of women. I registered blackmenforums.com awhile back but didn't follow through. I think to make it successful, it would need to be professionally marketed to the right crowds with an initial investment. Forum software is opensource and free, the problem is choosing a hosting platform with competitive and flexible scalability for when it grows. We have unique circumstances, benefits and detriments that the majority simply does not posses, and we can and should use that to our advantage. That said, I will continue to research and put together information on the forums.

Though I don't have to qualify myself to anyone, my new-ness to this forum in no way represents my unfamiliarity to the game. I'm 40 y.o. and have been banging chicks regularly since I was 16. The "temerity" of my screen name is carried over from the old mASF then subsequently, PUA-zone forums where I have been a member for years. I stumbled upon this forum, and more specifically, this thread, only when explicitly searching for black men game and travel, which as I pointed out, is unique in and of itself. Having said that, I have the utmost respect for all members here and will never speak ill will towards anyone.

With regards to the topic at hand, online dating, it should only serve as another lure among many in your tackle box. Keep your hooks in the water and once you get a nibble, do your best to reel them in. As others pointed out, online game should only supplement your day/night game. Both should feed nicely into your overall confidence. When I kept online dating profiles up, I did well with an extremely humorous profile and just a couple pics. I never contacted women and always waited till they came to me. I could easily bang 2-3 a month by just leaving my "hook" in the water. I'd chat back n forth for a very minimal time, until I explain to them I'm not regularly on this site and the best way to reach me is by phone.

I always talk to them first, not text! I have a very deep voice, and it sets a nice initial impression. Plus, hardly anyone talks on the phone anymore, everyone is texting, so talking sets you apart and builds familiarity. A couple quick meet-n-greets at my routine spots and I'm in there. I'm not extraordinarily attractive, but I'm very masculine, dress well, and am funny as fuck. Internet thirst has basic bitches really believing their dimes because of the attention they get. I see straight up obese bitches getting compliments, likes and comments from thirsty ass dudes, when in real life these women wouldn't get glanced at.

I've been discretely gaming while trying to wrap up this LTR I'm in. I like the app Bumble because the women have to hit you up first. But gawd, I swear all the YT women profiles are exactly the same, a picture of them hiking, swimming, at a bar or a wedding, nevertheless I've been doing pretty good with all women. The YT ones I match with are usually, specifically, interested in black men so it's not like you're competing against the plethora of YT dudes on there.

Coverdoc - That was a great post, the comment about ratio's is so on the money. +2 from me Bro.

Dimebait - I agree with you also, I do believe it might be time to branch off and create a niche group/forum. I have great intel that I would share in a private forum, I would not give it away here for free.

In for the private forum... I'd also be willing to share more info

Id tag along!

Thinking maybe a newsletter might be better, keep out any undesirables.

Newsletter is interesting

You can put the podcast on itunes too. Keep it free but as your influence grows you can do ad shout-outs at the beginning of each podcast. Seems easy to me. I don't know about much beyond that, though. Mike Cernovich might have some info.

I can imagine you guys getting paid by this guy one day: https://nudred.com/. He even has a brand ambassador program.

These guys would probably appreciate it too (I fucking hate razor bumps lol) https://getbevel.com/

lambskin condoms? why not? https://www.amazon.com/Naturalamb-Natura...in+condoms

Think of the products you, me, and our friends use and call those people up. Or meet face to face at a conference. Or just an email.

What I notice that podcasters do is share discount codes that are exclusive to each podcast, which helps influence listeners to buy the product. Same for youtubers.

When you wanna write your marketing pitch emails to the black male oriented businesses you wanna contact, hit me up

How many of you guys are going to 90%+ black clubs? I cut my teeth in those environments, but I've always thought the hood spots and bourgie places to be the toughest venues

Competition, external wise
- plenty tall dudes
- lots of big guys, meatheads, and devotees of the iron temple
- peacocks of all sorts
- aggressive dudes
- real dancers
- gift of gab and comedians galore

The talent
- high noise to signal ratio (way too many fat girls)
- extra annoyed, resting bitch faces

That being said, the overall social vibe is better and a lot more fun can be had.

I think it's the ideal place to really learn game, because that is where I realized how little those "golden boys" actually pulled.

WIA

I prefer predominately black clubs. As long as there is good male/(attractive female) ratio, I never paid attention to the competition. As a matter of fact, I don't even see them as competition, more like colleagues or cohorts.
I don't like YT clubs because you have to play the guessing game on whether a chick is down with the swirl.
However, my biggest impediment to black clubs is that I don't really dance and that's a surefire way to pull a cutie for the night is by getting her out on the dance floor. Nevertheless, my strategy has been to get there early, engage different chicks, then see what's left at the end of the night. Parking lot pimping is major factor, guys want to be seen in/around their rides and the chicks seem to enjoy it. Back in my materialistic days I kept a nice ride to supplement my game, lol

I haven't been to majority black spot in 5 years. Black women at mixed spots are more humble and open in my experience.

@DB

White girls, I maintain, in America, is always game on easy mode. Provided that you can hit her with the same game as the sisters just modified for her frame of reference. plenty of times I've had to say "Calm down Keisha" to a Caitlin.

My favorite spots are all dj dependent. Bad dj's have ruined black and mixed spots for me. That's one of the flaws in my night game.

Even when I had a ride that could compete in the parking lot, I've found that to be part of the 1:50 am scramble. Last call has been sounded
- the baddest chicks left at 12:30
- the dudes who been on the sidelines are finally drunk enough to approach the one chick they been eyeing all night. A player's Plan B..!
- players are spitting at anything in a skirt
- after party and food situation being sorted out

Timing plays such an important role

@Kish

Loud and boisterous chicks are the easiest ones, they give a player a lot of stuff to work with. It's a process to come up with something cold to show your skills though. Dealing with some real lip smacking eye rolling sistas will give you that unstoppable confidence to deal with anyone. You have to be able to code switch when you change venues.

Humble black chicks at a mixed spot might be only down with the swirl, lol.

"Sorry my brother, I'm here for Chet!"

WIA

Dimebait...

Anabasis' banning has some folks people spooked, I can see why there's a desire to jump ship to a more black centred forum, but I don't agree with it (even though I would potentially still check it out).

For one Anabasis' was a solid poster, one of the best on the forum, but flirting with the alt-right doesn't mean they'll like or respect you, they still consider blacks 'dumb niggers' (quite frankly, that's more or less the coded words by another member that Anabasis replied to that got him banned). Calling out white nationalists on a forum with ample number of sympathizers is always tricky business (yet, 3 clicks away from the anti black/immigrant dog whistling that exists in the Everything Else and Politics section, this thread exists, only on the RVF!).

There's the desire to find safe spaces, an old SJW trick that actually isn't an SJW trick (America's past laws proved that). That's not the way to do it - although I admit, we all revel in occasional conflict. I have WNs at work, and I take the occasional guilty pleasure in using their own tactics against them if the conversation comes up, without ever explicitly mentioning race, victim hood, and all the other good stuff that comes with the loaded topic. It's game, but on a different level. How quickly can you dance without stepping on each other's shoes?

You have to work with these guys at the office or at the shop, you probably visit similar restaurants, cross paths at the same expos, theme parks, movie theaters, and all kinds of events. You might as well converse on line because you're already doing it in real life, sometimes you're not even realizing it.

We have lots of resources for men of colour on this very forum. And we have resources for all men all around. If the RVF ever became explicitly racist, and started closing threads like these, then a migration to something else may not be a bad idea, but a black only forum is a step backwards - it will become an echo chamber. Just as many other game sites have turned into.

In the early 2000s, blacks weren't really let into Edmonton and Calgary's clubs in significant numbers - black face control was the order of the day regardless of the way one dressed. As the years passed more black and ethnic clubs have opened. What's intriguing is I can find just as many white girls in these clubs as I can find in a country bar in this town. The club promoters created an atmosphere that essentially has a welcoming vibe for all people. They face control riff-raff. Now these clubs are large, multi-ethnic, the women are smoke-shows, and are down with both brothers and others. I'm sure American cities have plenty of these clubs (maybe not Kentucky or Mississippi). Unfortunately there is also clubs that resemble something out of WSHH.

This is how I view race centric forums. I doubt a large black forum will attract the best men, on the contrary. Forums that are heavily skewered towards one race over another tend to bring some of the lowest, least adventurous, least enterprising people. In my life, those people I've come across who cling onto their ethnic identity as the end all be all, tend to bring little else to the table. This is true for all people of all races.

Something to consider thinking about going to a black guy only travel forum.