Lol WIA.

I'd love to toss up pictures haha.
But clearly we got way too many haters and excuse makers. Not everyone can be turned into believers.
But drop a P.m though.

I've been thinking about getting something together between the guys on the show anyway.

(10-27-2015 09:09 AM)_GQ_ Wrote:  How many brothers are running proper day game? I don't have any stats to back this up, but my feeling is a lot of black guys get blown out in clubs/online and then come to the conclusion that it's impossible to secure quality white girls.

Online is a very bad place to make an assessment if you don't have the ideal look. In person, a lizard can realise she really likes your vibe/voice and get a better understanding of your persona. I honestly think that guys should look at what WIA said and start to diversify the locations that you decide to spit game. I observed from Pitt's energy in the DR of the perfect example. I don't believe Pitt even goes online for lizards. In the few days I was with him, he spat at multiple lizards and we weren't even at joints like that. In the mall, on the street, in the casino, it didn't stop.

Don't wait for a go zone to start hollaring at lizards, create your own green zone and catch them unawares in the supermarket, the bank, the park even the gym if you so wish. Be creative even if you use the same generic openers, it's better than brooding online.
All these complainers, give me an active one month worklog with 3 solid approaches a day (not including night life). If you have put in that work in your area and you are still not getting 'white girls' then we can readdress the problem at hand.

(10-27-2015 12:55 AM)EatMee Wrote:  

(10-26-2015 09:30 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  ^I know many black guys who are gaming high quality women in Europe, so to me is not rare. German girls aren't hard for a decent brother to game.

I have talked to a few guys on this forum who have had success with them. American in Europe and Sourcecode talked about dating girls in that region (on our show). I have even had the privilege of seeing the pictures of some of the girls Sourcecode "dated". So these guys are not talking out of their ass, perhaps you might want to ask what they are doing!

I myself am debating moving back to Europe, I was there before and can tell you it is hell of alot easier to game white chicks than North America. I have said before, it isn't even game.

America has negative stereotypes when it comes to Black men, Canada is a tad better. That is not my problem, that is their problem. I don't fit any stereotype, which seems to confuse people.

One thing I would like say, is that some of you guys have a weak mindset. You are already defeated before you have started.

I'm confused. It says you live in Canada and you also imply you don't live in Europe so how would you know it's not rare? And keep in mind i'm focused objectively. Most of my gaming friends have slept with around 40-60 women, so would this mean guys with a 40-60 lay count isn't rare? Obviously not. Most guys on average sleep with less then 10 women in their lives. Now i'm sure you know Black guys that gamed women but majority of Black guys fail with women.

Now what exactly is high quality because it is subjective. I know Black guys including myself that have gamed some cute girls and if that is what you mean by "high quality" then yes it isn't rare but just uncommon.

For me, when I say high quality i'm referring to the best the country has to offer and the only guys I see them with are always with their own (top local guys) and this also applies to all the places i've lived in and visited/stayed for a period of time (most of Central and Eastern Europe) where the high quality girls are always with their own men. This also matches with what women have told me with regards to dating out their race (only a small percent are open). So if you're not a local top guy, you are very unlikely at getting one especially if you're a foreigner.

I don't know why German girls are brought up since I never mentioned them. Anyways I will say i'm doing alright with German girls. I will also say if you're a decent looking Black guy with game then you can do OK but if you're trying to game the high quality German girls then it's going to be very difficult like anywhere else.

Listen to the first podcast and I explain my background.

I mentioned Germany since that is the flag on your signature, so I assume you live there.

I have rolled through Central/Eastern Europe and my experiences differ greatly to yours. High quality girls are open to a foreigner who looks like he has his shit together, that applies in any country.

So where did you talk to these women that are opposed to dating outside their race? Why would you even discuss that?

I am sure there are women who might think Moma is their type, but yet wouldn't give me the time of day or vice-versa. Just because a woman is not into you doesn't mean she is opposed to all black guys!!!!

(10-27-2015 09:09 AM)_GQ_ Wrote:  How many brothers are running proper day game? I don't have any stats to back this up, but my feeling is a lot of black guys get blown out in clubs/online and then come to the conclusion that it's impossible to secure quality white girls.

I"m not even sure what "proper day game" is.

What's "proper" to me at 40 isn't the same for a dude in college, even if we're both chatting up the same 20 year old snow bunny.

WIA

WIA, replace proper with quality. Using your style, body language, and conversation skills to display personality. I don't care what race you are, if you're well put together and willing to put in the work, you'll see results. Sure some people got it harder than others, but that applies to almost everyone in any aspect of life. This shit isn't supposed to be easy.

(10-27-2015 11:02 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(10-27-2015 09:09 AM)_GQ_ Wrote:  How many brothers are running proper day game? I don't have any stats to back this up, but my feeling is a lot of black guys get blown out in clubs/online and then come to the conclusion that it's impossible to secure quality white girls.

I"m not even sure what "proper day game" is.

What's "proper" to me at 40 isn't the same for a dude in college, even if we're both chatting up the same 20 year old snow bunny.

WIA

I think proper day game at this point is ANY day game! How many of the whiners speak to lizards outside the internet at all? More approaches offline than online? I'd wager not! That's why I am asking for a month work log with a minimum 3 approach a day requirement. I could bet the fur from my left buttock that many have not put in the required graft.

I've lost count of how many times I've seen a brother spit the worst or most awkward game ever at a bar or club, get completley blown out, then complain that the girls are bitches/racist/etc. These same girls are blowing out countless white dudes too, they just don't have that built in mental excuse of race. Instead they might say they aren't enough of a 'jock' or have enough money or whatever.

Once EatMee gets his shit together then his mindset will change.

That or he's a troll.

(10-27-2015 08:22 AM)Moma Wrote:  Eat Mee, why don't you read the bio of some of the seasoned chatters such as RudeBwoy before you claim confusion? He is a very well travelled bredda (as such is myself) and what he says is gospel. This white lizard difficulty is limited to only certain cities in America. In Europe, it wasn't hard for a black man to pump decent lizards at all. I struggled more with black lizards in Europe than white. I actually had to avoid the easy layups and try and finish in traffic (London sistas). Even comparatively, it wasn't even that difficult.

Now you're taking things way out of context. I was talking about high quality girls, not decent girls. Getting high quality girls is difficult like anywhere else especially if you're Black, moving to Europe doesn't change that. If you want decent girls then it's not all that difficult if you have your game on point. Keep in mind, i'm Black American. I was born and raised there so I know how things are in America.

(10-27-2015 10:58 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Listen to the first podcast and I explain my background.

I mentioned Germany since that is the flag on your signature, so I assume you live there.

I have rolled through Central/Eastern Europe and my experiences differ greatly to yours. High quality girls are open to a foreigner who looks like he has his shit together, that applies in any country.

So where did you talk to these women that are opposed to dating outside their race? Why would you even discuss that?

I am sure there are women who might think Moma is their type, but yet wouldn't give me the time of day or vice-versa. Just because a woman is not into you doesn't mean she is opposed to all black guys!!!!

What I mean by German girls was what relevance does it have with the discussion. The main topic was about high quality girls not German girls.

Which part about my experience is different? I know for a fact base off of what I know over the years and what women have told me and with my very own two eyes 95+% of high quality girls are with their own men. I am in no way suggesting that a Black guy can't get one, i'm just saying it's very unlikely. When I say they aren't open, I mean they aren't going out of their way to make it happen like they would with their own men.

Why not discuss it? I like to get to the bottom line of everything. There are a lot of keyboard jockery theories and statements so knowing first hand what women ideally want as oppose to what guys think women want is a better reference to dispel any myths and theories. I've talked to and interview thousands of (hot) women over the years (about 16 years). For example, "women prefer tall guys". I know from what women have told me, is they do prefer tall guys, fact confirmed. This doesn't mean a short guy can't pull but he must put in work since majority of girls aren't going out of their way to make it happen.

Since this is a thread about "Black Man Game Options" i'll share questions and answers about what hot White women have told me that is relevant....

What is your type of guy physically?
"Tall White/(their own) guys"
"Tall, dark hair, blue eyes"
"Good looking, like Christian Bale"
And so forth, majority said similar things or along the lines of their own men.

Would you date Black guys?
"Sorry no"
"No, I just prefer White/(their own) guys"
"No offence but i'm just not attracted to Black guys"
In other words majority of them basically said No. They basically imply they aren't going out of their way to make it happen nor are they interested in doing so.

Do you like Black guys?
"Sorry no"
"Not to sound racist but i'm not into Black guys"
"No, I prefer White guys"
"No, I just don't find them attractive"
And numerous other answers that are similar or implications that they don't.

My conclusion is, majority of hot White girls (about 4 out of 5 or 80%) just aren't into Black guys. About 1 out of 5 are somewhat open ONLY in the right circumstances but still prefer their own and only a few percent that has a preference for Black guys.

Should people use this as an excuse to not go out there? Of course not. But for a Black guy he has to take action and do all the work to have a realistic chance in the first place because majority of hot White girls aren't going out of their way to get with a Black guy in the first place since they aren't their type AKA they prefer White guys. Hot White girls are going to bars to meet and hopefully get fucked by a good looking White guy. They are going to clubs to meet and get fucked by White guys. They are going to "whatever" to meet White guys, not Black guys. This doesn't mean you can't pull but taking action and doing all the work is a must for Black guys. A good looking White guy can be passive and get results due to majority having a preference for White guys.

(10-27-2015 11:43 AM)Mentavious Wrote:  Once EatMee gets his shit together then his mindset will change.

That or he's a troll.

Dude, don't make assumptions about me.

I'm not complaining, i'm not looking for advice, and i'm not having any issues with (white) women.

I'm stating facts that are backed up by tons of anecdote evidences, experiences shared from friends of all backgrounds, my own experiences, and what women have told me.

This has nothing to do with how I see myself. Make no mistake that i'm a confident guy and approach whoever thinking i'm entitled to fuck them but it doesn't change the fact that in reality they have already wrote me off due to being Black. I already lose points being Black alone from my already perceived low value because they aren't into Black guys. Does this mean I can't pull? No but it certainly is going to require strong game and time, and it doesn't guarantee i'll get her. Does this hurt my feelings? Not one bit. Facts are facts. Changing mindset doesn't change the fact that you'll still get more fails then wins. But the strongest part of a man’s game is knowing the challenges and trying to overcome them.

(10-27-2015 05:10 AM)MatineeMan Wrote:  EatMee, you do not think Kroes and Klum are high quality then?

And your point is? Klum and Kroes are rare examples among the tons of high quality girls that are with their own men both numerically and percentage wise (atleast about 95% are with their own men). I'm just saying it's very rare for Black guys to get with high quality women. Doesn't mean they can't get one, just very unlikely.

PS, please read my previous posts guys because some of you are assuming i'm some inexperience guy that doesn't get laid much.

You keep rehashing the same points that all the other "race realists" keep spouting.

Repeating your "truth" isn't changing anyone's mind.

So what else do you have to offer the discussion?

I'll wait

WIA

Do you guys get better results doing day game vs night game? I've never really done any day game. I do like to go out a lot and with a little liquor I approach anything I'm interested. I know that usually with clubs/bars the girls are pretty much attention whoring and not open to conversation.

I read somewhere on here that girls expect to give out their # 10x on a weekend night, whereas with day game you're approaching them off guard which leads to better results...as in successful leads are more likely to go somewhere?

(10-27-2015 04:44 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  You keep rehashing the same points that all the other "race realists" keep spouting.

Repeating your "truth" isn't changing anyone's mind.

So what else do you have to offer the discussion?

I'll wait

WIA

So your point is? I constantly hear people spouting how looks matter in person or online forums. What difference is this compare to any other.

Did I say I was here to change anyones mind? I'm just stating facts that are based on my experience, friends, women i've talked to, and things i've seen post-game. These facts are also backed up by all sorts of studies, surveys, and research out there (Google them).

I don't see anywhere, where there is some prerequisite needed to post in this thread. Does it matter what else I have to offer? I reply when the the time calls for it, if not then I don't.

(10-27-2015 04:54 PM)jayesco Wrote:  Do you guys get better results doing day game vs night game? I've never really done any day game. I do like to go out a lot and with a little liquor I approach anything I'm interested. I know that usually with clubs/bars the girls are pretty much attention whoring and not open to conversation.

I read somewhere on here that girls expect to give out their # 10x on a weekend night, whereas with day game you're approaching them off guard which leads to better results...as in successful leads are more likely to go somewhere?

DEFINITELY TRY IT...

But

I have never found Day Game to be particularly fruitful. On any given day I see 3-5 attractive chicks in passing. So you basically have to be looking your best and step to them, spit something, and try to get a # of out of it. (assuming that you're like me, you have shit to do during the day) I've definitely banged off of it, but if I depended on it....

For me though, the unreliability of it makes it a supplement to me. When Gio talks about how he does it, I'm like I DON'T LOVE THE GAME THAT MUCH to be chasing down leads like an insurance salesman facing an eviction notice. But he bangs way more young chicks than I do, so if you put the work in, it pays dividends.

So it's always been a supplement. It's like the dessert.

When I think of the categories as a whole Day Game, a lot like Night Game is an umbrella term

Night Game
- dance club game
- pub/bar game
- happy hour game
- special events (concerts, museums, art showings. etc)
- street game

^And all of these have little variations. A mega dance club ala Vegas is very different than a pub with a dj and active dance floor. A salsa or country and western joint is different than an EDM or hip hop joint.

Day Game
- book store
- coffee shop
- mall
- hanging out downtown on the street in a busy area
- beach game
- "errands" game - talk to chick while you handle your BI
- campus game
- public transit game

The advantage to night game has traditionally been higher # of attractive women per square foot. Throw in music, lighting, alcohol, and cultural tradition. I've historically found it to be more fruitful.

Day Game - the guys who push it, are in major cities, and they do a lot of street/mall game, or they find themselves by a campus and post up at a meeting spot - in essence - they are focused on the hottie/sq foot metric.

There's a thread on newbie about Suburban Day Game. The guys on there realize the density problem. (there might even be a macro target issue, unless your thing is soccer moms and milfs)

Now coming up, if you lived in the City, yakking at chicks that you came across was just par for the course. My boys that went to high school in BK would basically just yell at any halfway decent chick. There were places to go where the young folks would hang out.

For those of us out of high school/college, there are just less and less places to find high concentrations of attractive women, especially during the day.

If online isn't working for you, I don't really know how much Day Game is gonna be better. But I've been wrong before.

Welp,

I'll just continue to bang 7,8,9 white girls that are below the age of 23 while you worry about all the factors that are against you.

EatMee, it sounds like you take not only game but life far too seriously, and unsurprisingly then fail every sh*t test that not only white but likely all women will give you. Especially seen as you say you interview them about their preferences.

"I've talked to and interview thousands of (hot) women over the years (about 16 years)."

As Rudebwoy asked, why would you even discuss these things with girls you are trying to game? Hell if I were those girls I would feel uncomfortable about this and group it into 'intense' or unbalanced and hate to use the word here but creepy guys. Women do not like men with poor social skills far more as a factor than melanin contrast.
I also don't mean to make this personal but the question might be inferred by them indirectly as you asking were they interested in you but using vague game, they say no about black guys as they are not interested in you and they think that you are doing indirect game. If another black guy with a better vibe or they were more attracted to showed up, then I am sure the answer would be different. You say yourself you have your own perceived sense of low value.

"This doesn't mean a short guy can't pull but he must put in work since majority of girls aren't going out of their way to make it happen."

This is really straying from topic but I am trying to gather your mindset. As with race, outside of ONS you relate girls preferring tall guys with far too much significance as girls don't as a rule seek tall guys or repel shorter ones, it is the same with race. Sex symbols adored by millions of women such as George Best and James Dean were far from tall in their prime, yet they were alpha and still lusted over compared to Peter Crouch and Steven Merchant respectively. By your logic those sex symbols could have easily said only 5% of women will be into me as I am not very tall. Do you really think they will pick even a reasonably handsome tall dude over a very good looking shorter one?

"This has nothing to do with how I see myself. Make no mistake that i'm a confident guy and approach whoever thinking i'm entitled to fuck them but it doesn't change the fact that in reality they have already wrote me off due to being Black. I already lose points being Black alone from my already perceived low value because they aren't into Black guys."

You are really contradicting yourself here, it is clearly to do with how you do see yourself, or rather how you perceive yourself to be seen in the girl's eyes.
I was once this 'serious' and often negative guy in my youth and despite being far better looking and very athletic then it actually got far worse results than acting confident and happy-go-lucky even though I am now balder, rounder and older. I am though more secure financially and importantly with myself and this is a big thing I believe women more than guys often pickup on.

Some people always try to find the straight edge in a balloon and I am afraid after reading your posts that you seem to. Sadly, the negativity sometimes seems worse among some Black Americans as they cannot leave the self-hate legacy behind, no matter what anybody tells them or the opportunities truly open if they have an outlook towards things differently.

"These facts are also backed up by all sorts of studies, surveys, and research out there (Google them)."

Regarding your last point about race perception (where you are getting increasingly passive aggressive and snarky in tone of the post), I googled and one of the first things that came up is the prominent LSE study by Japanese evolutionary psychologist Kanazawa, saying Black men are the most masculine and Asian women the most feminine of all the races.

Sadly I doubt I or anybody else will be able to change your negative mindset, some guys are too cynical to see it.

EatMee Wrote:...But for a Black guy he has to take action and do all the work to have a realistic chance in the first place because majority of hot White girls aren't going out of their way to get with a Black guy in the first place since they aren't their type AKA they prefer White guys

The majority of hot white girls, or girls from any race for that matter, aren't going out of their way to talk to men. Shit, 5's and 6's aren't either.

Drop a Tyson Beckford in your local Starbucks and you'll quickly see that your "80% of hot white girls aren't into black men" argument holds no water.

MatineeMan - great post and funny enough you highlighted all the points I wanted to make. His post is beyond comical and clearly shows his low self esteem, although he felt the need to tell us he is a confident man.

Huey - Tyson Beckford came to our town on a promo visit a few years back, dude fucking locked down the place. Girls from every race lined up to get the guy's autograph.

I didn't think it needed to be taken back this far..But.. How can you complain about not being able to get laid by the white women you prize so much in this day and age?

This is literally the best time in history to do it. Women are down to be publicly known for the amount of black dick that they can handle.
In not so distant pass, you could get arrested for dating a white women, let alone marrying her.
Further back, you could literally be killed for staring at a white woman, let alone talk to her.
Futher back..You wouldn't have been a free man to travel out of your county to find other women, period.

The fact that as a black man, you have the resources to dress yourself, make money, drive to another city, state or take a plane to another country, gives you no room to complain this hard. You are no longer physically limited in this sense.


If retarded people like welvin the great and that midget with the shark teeth can make money and have fun.. Any average brother can find his place or niche to shine.

If you are gonna continue to internalize your failures and not use your brain to solve problems logically, or take advice from the multitude of brothers here....just leave forum.

Until then... I'm slowly putting some of y'all on my ignore list so I don't have to see all these negative post.

(10-28-2015 01:57 AM)Sourcecode Wrote:  I didn't think it needed to be taken back this far..But.. How can you complain about not being able to get laid by the white women you prize so much in this day and age?

This is literally the best time in history to do it. Women are down to be publicly known for the amount of black dick that they can handle.
In not so distant pass, you could get arrested for dating a white women, let alone marrying her.
Further back, you could literally be killed for staring at a white woman, let alone talk to her.
Futher back..You wouldn't have been a free man to travel out of your county to find other women, period.

The fact that as a black man, you have the resources to dress yourself, make money, drive to another city, state or take a plane to another country, gives you no room to complain this hard. You are no longer physically limited in this sense.


If retarded people like welvin the great and that midget with the shark teeth can make money and have fun.. Any average brother can find his place or niche to shine.

If you are gonna continue to internalize your failures and not use your brain to solve problems logically, or take advice from the multitude of brothers here....just leave forum.

Until then... I'm slowly putting some of y'all on my ignore list so I don't have to see all these negative post.

So true. I'm only a young guy but the way these guys try to PROVE themselves "worthy" for a white "queen" is pathetic. Make yourself into a prize and if some people don't want you, to hell with them.

Also, I'm off to Stockholm in mid-November. Nice to get back onto the travelling scene.

Hopefully EatMee improves and doesn't get known as the BRT (Black Race Troll).

(10-27-2015 07:56 PM)MatineeMan Wrote:  EatMee, it sounds like you take not only game but life far too seriously, and unsurprisingly then fail every sh*t test that not only white but likely all women will give you. Especially seen as you say you interview them about their preferences.

What is it with people making these assumptions that they know me, how my experiences are in the game and how I think. Last time I check, you and I have never met.

Let me see, outside of this forum I don't think about game all that much nor do I care about the discussions we've had so far but I guess according to you I apparently take "game and life too seriously". I also get laid, which you imply I don't since I apparently "fail their shit test". Please don't come here and assume you know me.

(10-27-2015 07:56 PM)MatineeMan Wrote:  As Rudebwoy asked, why would you even discuss these things with girls you are trying to game? Hell if I were those girls I would feel uncomfortable about this and group it into 'intense' or unbalanced and hate to use the word here but creepy guys. Women do not like men with poor social skills far more as a factor than melanin contrast.
I also don't mean to make this personal but the question might be inferred by them indirectly as you asking were they interested in you but using vague game, they say no about black guys as they are not interested in you and they think that you are doing indirect game. If another black guy with a better vibe or they were more attracted to showed up, then I am sure the answer would be different. You say yourself you have your own perceived sense of low value.

When did I ever mention they were girls I was gaming? Do you think I could just randomly go up to these girls and just ask multiple questions. Ever heard of friends, friends of friends, friends of relatives, acquaintances, co-workers, etc.

Keep in mind I let them know beforehand that "i'm gathering info to get a general consensus to confirm or disprove whether certain myths, theories and statements are true and the best references are from the actual mouths of women themselves", so they know what they are getting into. I ask them all sorts of questions from height, races, looks, money and anything that is generally talked about in the dating world so I do have a good perspective on what they ideally want/prefer.

I also know other guys both Black and White that have a smaller sample size but share the same answers they have been told that i've gather over the years with regards to the questions they've asked. Another thing i've notice previously on other forums is when a White guy says majority of White girls aren't into Black guys because that's what they've been told, some Black guys would go on to rationalize it saying "White women wouldn't be honest or truthful to White men about their feelings about Black guys out of fear of being judged and are only telling them what they want to hear", yet what my Black friends have been told and my own ears, is they are in fact not into Black guys. So being Black my experience would supposedly be more valid in the eyes of other Black guys then my White friends or any other White guy that says it and I can tell you that what White guys have been told is in fact true. Majority of White girls don't prefer Black guys, fact confirmed.

And now you are putting words into my mouth. When did I ever say I perceived myself as low value? I was talking about HER perceived value of me.

(10-27-2015 07:56 PM)MatineeMan Wrote:  This is really straying from topic but I am trying to gather your mindset. As with race, outside of ONS you relate girls preferring tall guys with far too much significance as girls don't as a rule seek tall guys or repel shorter ones, it is the same with race. Sex symbols adored by millions of women such as George Best and James Dean were far from tall in their prime, yet they were alpha and still lusted over compared to Peter Crouch and Steven Merchant respectively. By your logic those sex symbols could have easily said only 5% of women will be into me as I am not very tall. Do you really think they will pick even a reasonably handsome tall dude over a very good looking shorter one?

I'm talking about in the context of everything being equal other then their height. The taller one is going to get more IOIs then the shorter one.

And are you really going to use Celebrities as examples here, SMH. Other then James Dean I didn't even know who the other three were.

(10-27-2015 07:56 PM)MatineeMan Wrote:  You are really contradicting yourself here, it is clearly to do with how you do see yourself, or rather how you perceive yourself to be seen in the girl's eyes.
I was once this 'serious' and often negative guy in my youth and despite being far better looking and very athletic then it actually got far worse results than acting confident and happy-go-lucky even though I am now balder, rounder and older. I am though more secure financially and importantly with myself and this is a big thing I believe women more than guys often pickup on.

Where is the "contradiction". When I say “my perceived low value” I am talking about her perceived value of me. This does not mean that I personally feel that way. In reality, whether I feel that way or not, it does not take away the fact that she already perceived me as low value because I do not fit her type or preference of the type of guy she is looking for physically.

It should go without saying that being confident is better then being negative but this has nothing to do with whether you get laid or not. I have a friend that's a perfect example, he's 6'3, white, and very good looking, and a little insecure. We were in line just a few weeks ago. He had horrible body language while we were waiting in line with his arms crossed, looking really stiff, worrying about his hair. I mentioned he was coming off really insecure. Some really pretty girl comes up to him and makes fun of his "seriousness" and literally told him he had poor body language. Well he banged her that night. If any Black guy would have acted in his manner, she wouldn't even look his way.

(10-27-2015 07:56 PM)MatineeMan Wrote:  Regarding your last point about race perception (where you are getting increasingly passive aggressive and snarky in tone of the post), I googled and one of the first things that came up is the prominent LSE study by Japanese evolutionary psychologist Kanazawa, saying Black men are the most masculine and Asian women the most feminine of all the races.

When I last read my post, I didn't take any notice of "passive aggressiveness". It's more your problem. Your perception has nothing to do with how I was actually coming off.

These are the "research" for example I was referring to....



Regardless of what this study says, base on my friends and my own experiences and what I have been told, majority of hot White women do in fact prefer their own men. Black guys have to take action, have game, and do all the work to have realistic chance in the first place because majority of hot White girls aren't going out of their way to make it happen nor do they have an interest in doing so, in other words they prefer White guys.

Here's a post from another Black guy....
http://www.returnofkings.com/47823/the-p...n-the-west

Quote:Disadvantage: A lot of rejection. Most (I’d put the number at two out of three) high-SMV chicks just aren’t into black guys. That’s just how it is. So having a taste for high-quality girls can cause a temporary slip in standards when going through a dry streak. I’m as guilty as anyone out there for occasionally bottom-feeding during a slump.

The silver lining to this disadvantage is that it destroys approach anxiety pretty damn quick. Less wasted time means more approaches over the course of any given day, but that also means more swings and misses. I’ve been turned down by a shitload of women over the years, especially in the fledgling stages of learning game. But getting rejected by a high number of women early in my development decreased my learning curve which eliminated my ego and made me completely fearless.

Takeaway
One of my best friends is a white guy I’ve known for nearly 20 years. He’s a tall, great looking guy with a great job. Every Anglo-slut’s dream. When we go out for a night on the town he consistently pulls quality chicks much easier than I do, even though my game level is much higher than his. He’s got a little game, but he naturally attracts women to him so he hasn’t really had to hone his skills in the art of seduction. I always have to work a little bit harder to pull than he does, which is perfectly okay because I now have a deeper understanding of how the game works.

Here's a latest article from the same guy....

Quote:“But Donovan! You’re black! How can you talk this way about black men! Do you hate yourself??”

Make no mistake about the fact that I’m a confident man who knows who he is and who he’s not. For me to believe that I “should” be every woman’s first choice for long term partnership is both short-sighted and delusional.

Yes, it’s important for men to approach women as though he’s entitled to fuck them and yes it’s equally important to know, believe, and walk around as though you are God’s gift to women.

But facts are facts. As a black male, I know that more often than not I’m viewed as a flavor of the week or a phase by most women I approach. I’m simply playing the hand that I’ve been dealt.

Sure, there have been a few women in my life I’ve spent more than a few months with and there have been a few who wanted more than just a roll in the hay for a few weeks or to show me off to her friends (“look at my black boyfriend!”).

But as a man with red pill awareness, I’m aware that both the sexual market and a woman’s imperative doesn’t give a shit about what it should offer me as a man. And neither cares what’s fair and what’s not.

Short men, balding men, ugly men, and yes even black men have to have more game than the Anglo-ideals (like my friend Paul) the highest value females fawn over. This isn’t a slight on men who have the aforementioned sexual market deficiencies and it’s not to imply that I’m not a high value male.

Are you guys gonna label him and make assumptions such as "negative, has low self esteem, self-hate, not confident, etc" now like you guys are doing with me just because i'm stating facts from what I know and from my own experiences? Are you guys also gonna rationalize to disprove what women have told me to my very own two ears? Just because you don't like what i've said doesn't make the facts any less true.

Here's Roosh on his take from an outsider perspective which matches what my non-Black friends have acknowledge and observed , Black friends, and myself have experienced....
http://www.rooshv.com/do-black-guys-have...-advantage

Quote:From what I’ve observed in the field over the past ten years, it’s actually harder for a black guy to get with a non-black woman. Many people underestimate that a majority of women are totally closed off to the idea of dating a black man or any other man outside her race for whatever reason.

Let’s say I go out with a black guy to a random club in Argentina. I estimate that ten out of the fifty girls there will be be somewhat open to dating me. I’ll have to work to get them, and my results will vary, but I have a shot with these ten girls. Only two or three out of the fifty girls will be open to dating my black friend, but those few will be much more vigorous in letting that interest be known. They will look at him more and maybe even approach him outright, where I’d have to do my own approaches. Even though he has significantly less options, his chance of closing that night will be higher than mine.

Black guys have a more limited selection in potential partners that are outside their race, but they have it easier with a girl who is already predisposed to liking black guys. If you compare a white guy and black guy with equal game and looks, the white guy will slightly edge him out on quality, and the black guy on quantity. To me that comes out as a wash.

There are others who I can think off the top of my head and there are plenty of other studies, research, articles, people but you get the general idea.

(10-27-2015 07:56 PM)MatineeMan Wrote:  Some people always try to find the straight edge in a balloon and I am afraid after reading your posts that you seem to. Sadly, the negativity sometimes seems worse among some Black Americans as they cannot leave the self-hate legacy behind, no matter what anybody tells them or the opportunities truly open if they have an outlook towards things differently.

Lets see, I came here and made a reply about my experiences and facts of the game and you (and others) are taking this in another direction now. Lets keep the discussion about the original topic which started this discussion in the first place.

(10-27-2015 07:07 PM)Mentavious Wrote:  Welp,

I'll just continue to bang 7,8,9 white girls that are below the age of 23 while you worry about all the factors that are against you.

No need for fake Big-Baller comments dude.

Back to the discussion, this has nothing to do with whether Black guys can pull hot white girls or not. I'm stating that the majority of hot White girls don't prefer Black guys meaning they aren't going out of their way to get with one in the first place. Taking action and doing all the work or being in the right circumstances is a must to realistically pull one at all. If you were passive and did nothing you wouldn't be getting anything above a 6, while a good looking White guy could be passive and still get quality results.

It also looks like you missed the part where I said i'm not having issues. I get laid but i'm not oblivious to the obstacles in the game. I'm not here to complain, i'm just stating obvious facts for when the time calls for it.

(10-27-2015 09:21 PM)Huey Wrote:  The majority of hot white girls, or girls from any race for that matter, aren't going out of their way to talk to men. Shit, 5's and 6's aren't either.

Drop a Tyson Beckford in your local Starbucks and you'll quickly see that your "80% of hot white girls aren't into black men" argument holds no water.

I'm guessing you don't go out much. I have White friends that have been approached by hot White girls. I've also seen plenty of other good looking White guys over the years that have been approached by hot girls.

Are you really going to use a 0.001% example to disprove what women have told me. When I say majority of hot White girls aren't into Black guys, i'm saying they aren't going out of their way to get with one like they would with a good looking White guy. Go to a Black club, you'll rarely find a White girl above a 7. Hot White girls give lots of IOIs to good looking White guys, sometimes they'll approach one and exclusively go to White clubs knowing full well there are going to be some good looking White guys there as that's what they ideally want, this is what I mean when I say "they go out of their way".

Your example just confirms the challenges (ex, racial preference) that Black guys need to overcome to have a realistic chance in the first place. When you say Tyson Beckfod you're basically implying a Black guy needs to be one of the best looking Black guys, have celebrity status, and bring way more value then what an average hot White girl has to be seen as a potential guy.

PS, Something I notice (not saying you guys are, just an observation from similar threads on other forums) is some Black guys seem to get butt hurt when someone says that majority of hot (non-black) girls don't prefer Black guys and are trying to prove it wrong or make up all these random rationalizations. I remember this happening in another forum a while ago. Non-black girls or in this case, hot White girls aren't obligated to like Black guys. If I were to say majority of hot Black girls prefer Black guys, would you be surprised? Of course not. So I don't understand why it's difficult to believe or how it's a big surprise that majority of hot White girls prefer White guys. I personally think this is just obvious common sense and should go without saying but some people seem to think hot White girls don't prefer their own (or as implied). I can go out right now and see that most couples are of the same race and among the hot girls, they would almost exclusively be with their own men.

Just because a white girl may prefer a white guy doesn't mean she isn't open to being seduced by a black/latin/etc guy. Why would she prefer black guys if she hasn't been exposed to quality ones?

I feel like i'm repeating myself. Anyways I said before that i'm not suggesting you can't pull one. All i'm saying is they aren't going out of their way to make it happen. Take action and doing all the work is a must or else you wouldn't get any results.

Remember i'm talking about hot girls or high quality girls. It's standard that the guys they tend to meet have their shit together. If she's hot, guys of all races have approached her. If you think it's due to lack of exposed quality Blacks then explain why I know plenty of women that have been approached by plenty of quality Black guys and they still end with a White guy. Good looking White guys that I personally know with holes in their shoes whom aren't all that put together doing fine or much better. I know plenty of quality Black dudes so perhaps if we lived in the South but quality Black guys aren't all that rare.

EatMee,

You keep bringing up girls going to white clubs and black clubs as if we are living under some form of apartheid. Outside your head and white nationalist circles it is class that most divides the clubs at least in Britain, not race. Followed closely by religion with race a distant factor below language and nationality. Do not conflate the religious self-segregation in European cities with racial, correlation is not causation here.

Cannot believe that you haven't heard of one of the greatest soccer players of all time yet claim to live in the Fussball mad world champion of Europe. Maybe you also have many other things to learn more deeply about European culture.


"If I were to say majority of hot Black girls prefer Black guys, would you be surprised? Of course not."

You are assuming things very wide of the mark here, my white friends are sometimes given a far easier time gaming black and mixed women in Britain. The now often fourth generation Afro Caribbean are predicted to eventually all but disappear from Britain due to them integrating so much with the white population, both men and the women. Quite a few black girls I know have married white guys and do make it easier for them if it is who they grew up with and have lots of shared interests in common with so I would actually be surprised.

But carry on believing and thinking what you want to. Doesn't change how I and many others perceive and experience things to be here.

When I say White clubs i'm implying people that share the same common interest/culture. There is quite an obvious divide between Black and Whites on average in terms of interests, culturally, etc.

I was born in the US, so soccer isn't something I care that much about and I also just moved to Germany from Sweden, and I still don't have an interest in soccer.

When I was in the US, the hot Black girls were after Black guys, or the future Basketball star.

I've never visited Britian so I have noting to share about it nor did I claim to know anything about how things go in Britian.