(10-24-2015 06:58 PM)MY DETROIT PLAYAS Wrote:  No offense to anyone but conquering Becky's was the first step up the
staircase of women.

Basically "practice" for the more exotic women you come across as your game matures.

Still not sure why the focus of this discussion has stalled on bagging Becky's

Pulling beckys (4-7s) isn't anything special. I'm talking about pulling the hot white girls (8s). It's very rare for black guys to pull hot white girls because a lot aren't into black guys.

Dude, I'm a dark-skinned Black guy (Jamaican to be exact). I've been with every color. They may not have been 8s but they were decent enough to pass the boner test.

I'm not gonna deny that getting hot white girls is hard for Black guys but focus on your game and you'll get a decent girl. Sure she wont be an HB8 but as long as she passes the boner test, who cares. About like 1 in every 4 Americans is a White woman so they're everywhere.

(10-24-2015 10:07 AM)thedarkknight Wrote:  What's up with US and black guys trying to do date inter-racially. Everywhere I go, it's the same : it's next to impossible for black guys to get high quality white women. I'm not denying that and that's not what I'm asking. What i'm asking is,

Is it straight-up negative stereotypes or something else that makes it so difficult in the States?

Honest question.

A history of slavery. Followed by mental slavery.

I'll still vouch for the US though, even though there's a significant undercurrent of consistent anti-black racism emanating from it. When it comes to getting a job, making money and building a solid safe life, the USA is still the top of the pack (followed by Canada and Britain in distant second).

Having a good career, solid experience, and a tight bankroll is better than being a broke streekhawker in the streets of Berlin or another poor brown face in the suburbs of Paris.

Dudes don't even know how good they've got it in the US. You can apply for a job and don't even have to send a picture of yourself with your resume. Fritz or Frederick will throw it in the garbage when they see your brown face stapled to the top left corner.

When it comes to women, there's still more traditional girls in America (and Canada) than anywhere in Europe, including Eastern Europe (barring Russia). You can hit up Utah, Montana, Maine, and all those midwestern small town states, heck even the South, and still find a cute girl (of any color) that'll want to make you chocolate babies.

Even if her uncle hates you.

(10-24-2015 01:24 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(10-24-2015 10:07 AM)thedarkknight Wrote:  What's up with US and black guys trying to do date inter-racially. Everywhere I go, it's the same : it's next to impossible for black guys to get high quality white women. I'm not denying that and that's not what I'm asking. What i'm asking is,

Is it straight-up negative stereotypes or something else that makes it so difficult in the States?

Honest question.

It is a good question, the simple answer is that USA is a different beast when it comes to dating outside your race. It is not as "liberal" in comparison to the UK in that sense, where a black man can date almost any girl.

It's difficult because women can afford to be picky.

(10-24-2015 07:55 PM)EatMee Wrote:  Dude, I'm a dark-skinned Black guy (Jamaican to be exact). I've been with every color. They may not have been 8s but they were decent enough to pass the boner test.

I'm not gonna deny that getting hot white girls is hard for Black guys but focus on your game and you'll get a decent girl. Sure she wont be an HB8 but as long as she passes the boner test, who cares. About like 1 in every 4 Americans is a White woman so they're everywhere.

Pulling a girl and what a girl wants/prefers isn't the same.

(10-25-2015 10:14 AM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  [quote='thedarkknight' pid='1136099' dateline='1445699262']
I'll still vouch for the US though, even though there's a significant undercurrent of consistent anti-black racism emanating from it. When it comes to getting a job, making money and building a solid safe life, the USA is still the top of the pack (followed by Canada and Britain in distant second).

When it comes to women, there's still more traditional girls in America (and Canada) than anywhere in Europe, including Eastern Europe (barring Russia). You can hit up Utah, Montana, Maine, and all those midwestern small town states, heck even the South, and still find a cute girl (of any color) that'll want to make you chocolate babies.

Even if her uncle hates you.

I agree with these points. It is quite easy to make money in the US.

As much as people in the manosphere think that many (most?) women, are hypergamous, masculine sluts who wait until they are 35 to look for a husband and have children, that is an accurate description for a lot of women who live in large, liberal cities on the east and west coasts.

In contrast, when I lived in the south, it was common for women to marry after high school, college and almost always by their mid 20s to a guy they had been dating since high school. Women were much more traditional and many did not mind being housewives. They actually looked for relationships. They believed and valued chivalry. It was encouraged and women were socially rewarded for being seen as a woman that take care of their man. I also noticed that shotgun weddings were much more common and slutty women were more likely to be shunned. This is not to say that all women are saints. It just that the behaviors complained about in the manosphere were not nearly as common.

The main problem with the south and rural areas is the high level of obesity. I've never seen so many fat women and fatter to a greater extent (think 300 to 400lbs, if not more) than when I lived in the south.

Just curious what the definition is of a traditional girl?

I don't meet many of them in Canada, to be fair I am in Toronto.

(10-25-2015 11:59 AM)DiscoBoi Wrote:  

(10-24-2015 07:55 PM)EatMee Wrote:  Dude, I'm a dark-skinned Black guy (Jamaican to be exact). I've been with every color. They may not have been 8s but they were decent enough to pass the boner test.

I'm not gonna deny that getting hot white girls is hard for Black guys but focus on your game and you'll get a decent girl. Sure she wont be an HB8 but as long as she passes the boner test, who cares. About like 1 in every 4 Americans is a White woman so they're everywhere.

Pulling a girl and what a girl wants/prefers isn't the same.

Dude, i'm not an amateur here. I know the difference. I'm not saying they prefer Black guys just because I pulled them, quite the contrary actually. I've talked to and interviewed a lot of women, so I know first hand majority of women (non-black) don't prefer Black guys meaning they aren't going out of their way to get with a Black guy. Now this doesn't mean we can't pull here but we have to seek them out, put in the work, and have game or be in the right circumstance to have a realistic chance to begin with. That's why I suggested him (treebark) to focus on his game.

For example, i'm not gonna say that a girl prefers very short guys because she got pulled by a 4'6 midget. She would obviously still prefer tall guys and that's what she would go out of her way for but the reason the 4'6 guy got her was because he put in the work and had game or was just in the right circumstances. Again, I know the difference between pulling and what a girl prefers.

Man, I feel like I should re-read the entire thread for all the jewels, but lemme see if I can summarize off of memory.

For the Black (and Latino, Indian, Middle Eastern and possibly Asian) man, America represents a lot of opportunity.

America is a rich country with a great social net. As a macro-factor that allows American women to be a little more loose.

America is a in the top 10% of technological advancement, which opens up new opportunities to get at chicks, but presents new problems that our brothers in lesser developed nations do not face.

So game wise, i'll just go with the 5 models of game for now

1) Passive/Lifestyle Game
- This is the game where just by living your life, women come into it. For my college broughams, you're living the dream now. When you get out of college, the concentration of nubile flesh who is very amenable to a good rap disappears.

For the rest of us, that means actively doing things to put ourselves in the mix. If you have a desk job, make sure that you eat someplace other than your desk. Getting involved in the community or church is another way to raise your visibility.

- As brothers, eating right and working out properly pays in spades.
- Stacking Bills? - We all know this is not the easiest thing to do, and in particular if you're in a field with lots of competition. Law and Business Management are very crowded. Engineering and Tech not as crowded, but there are the same institutional issues on top of the competitive pressure.

I won't go too deep into that, but building a side hustle is imperative. E-Commerce, Programming, Club Promotion, Cutting hair.... - always have some extra money coming in.

How you use that money to maximize your results is a question of serious debate. My personal advice is to spend the money on yourself.
- great location
- nice apartment, furnished minimally is my preference
- great clothes

AND

Travel.

America has a way of beating down the brother man. You might not even notice it until you go someplace else, and realize that it doesn't have to be that way. Whatever flavor you're into, the Black American, the Black
Canadian, the Black Westerner epitomizes COOL. Cool is a black American invention, so of course if you're part of that diaspora, you can take part in it.

2) Social Circle

Again, this is the people you grew up with, their friends. This is your co-workers. This is the people in your class (community college and night school is a good way to expand your circle for you guys no longer in school)...

Getting out of the house is the key to
- social circle game
- lifestyle game
- day game
- night game

So actively build your social circle.

Just being the person you are, and being active puts you in the game. A night of Arkham Asylum or Madden keeps you out of the game.

3) Night Game

Personally, I think this is where we shine, but night life seems to be tapering off globally.

Find your venues, find your nights, and lock them down.
If you cant dance learn.
If you don't drink, learn.
If you drink too much, tone it way down.

Undoubtedly the greatest part of night game is popular music, and the world over, our shit runs popular music. You'll go to EDM events and they'll remix Future or Gucci Mane. Reggae? Fuhgeddaboutit.

You don't need to be the old man "wining" in the corner (that's me though), but familiarity with Black American Pop Music opens so many doors, because it's a touchstone for so many people.

4) Day Game/Street Game/non-club/bar environments

As things go, unless you really fit the surroundings, any approach you make, no matter how timid or indirect you start it off, is OFTEN perceived as DIRECT.

OH GOD, HERE'S SOME BLACK GUY TRYING TO TALK TO ME.

2001 Mystery Style Game Indirect has been bastardized. The people that talk about indirect game nowadays, really telegraph their agendas.

If you come at a chick Indirectly, JUDGE THE FUCK OUT OF HER. It doesn't matter if she somehow recognizes that frame, your ways and actions of investigation will serve you well.

You look interesting, but what are you about - is the frame of mind you need to come at.

Most guys are like, GOD DAMN YOU GOT A PHAT ASS, even if they don't say it. Brothers especially are guilty but also stereotyped for this behavior.

You can come at the chick like you're choosing, not her.

or

You can embrace the fuck out of the stereotype. Just have to be congruent with what you're saying.

5) Online Game

Now I personally do not participate in Online Game, but I probably will in the future, because it is the future.

Get your picture game up. There are all sorts of online resources about how to take good pictures.

Get your profile right.
Get your first message right.

But most importantly, TAKE YOUR EGO OUT OF IT. Tinder/Plenty of Fish/OkCupid are all video games. Them chicks aren't real until you put your dick in em. So treat em like goombas and mario jump on their heads until you get a fireflower.

Double and triple book
Flake!
Get yourself a script.
Get yourself a burner phone and google voice #.
Buy a book that specializes on online game.

But take advantage of it.

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And these 5 paths are just level 1 in my opinion.

I'd rather get dismisssed by a 1,000 to fuck a 100, than to talk to 50 "sure" things and bang 12. (though 1 a month ain't really that awful an average, given that most men only sleep with 6-10 their ENTIRE LIVES)

WIA

(10-24-2015 09:24 AM)TreeBark Wrote:  

(10-22-2015 02:35 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  ^How do you know it is because you are black? Are they coming right out and saying that.

Could it be your style, your look, your built, personality, intelligence, your approaches or lack of, your cologne, your breath, your height etc.

You catch my drift!

I have not met you, just asking those questions.

Actually they did say they weren't into black guys because I asked them. My white guy friends on the other hand are getting more results even tho our game level is the same.

@fury and @rudebwoy. Now I hate using the race card but in every other aspect of my life my race doesn't hold me back at all. I have friends, nobody ever gave me shit or treated me badly. Actually i've done better with asian girls since I have lots of asian friends but I also actually have a lot more white friends but my results are lower with white girls. Now i'm not saying it's like impossible to pull a white girl if you are black (one that doesn't already like black guys on her own) but being black or using the black card certainly isn't going to help with pulling a white girl unless she's one of those black niche types.

Not to hype up Asian girls, but if this guy is doing well with Asian females, then why the hell is he complaining about not getting white females, particularly Ameriskanks? The same Ameriskans who ride the carousel going after every degenerate the second they develop breasts, using marriage as a backhanded compliment to "nice guys" to siphon resources from them, and have divorce rates at 50+ percent; and they do this all to THEIR OWN MEN. Not to knock on white women as a whole...just the American ones.

If anything, I'd rather hear about hot to effectively and efficiently rack up more Asians and other non-black minority females in my notch. But the problem is it's most of them - at least in America - are on the "white male worship and avoid any male who's remotely black" mental sickness shit. So if he's able to crack into the Asian poon, then what's the problem?

For you black men really want to know the "secret" of getting a white female, just get a damn STEM or engineering degree, do a few years of work west of the Mississippi River where the anti black sentiment isn't as harsh so you will get accustomed to dealing with white women and not act like you won a gold medal when you get with a white 5, and eventually (and permanently) relocate to Canada, Australia, NZ, or Norther/Western Europe to do some real damage and/or be able to settle down with a traditional white female not raised in America's anti-black culture and have biracial kids who won't be fucked up by some "mulatto tragedy" crap they would face if they were born and raised in America. It's that fucking simple.

Just a heads up.
Despite was Roosh said.
Copenhagen is full of women willing to cheat on their boyfriend to get with a black guy for the first time.
I know this from experience.

Is there a new podcast coming out?

(10-26-2015 12:36 AM)Sourcecode Wrote:  Just a heads up.
Despite was Roosh said.
Copenhagen is full of women willing to cheat on their boyfriend to get with a black guy for the first time.
I know this from experience.

Is there a new podcast coming out?

Black/Dark Knight 2, anxious to hear what he has to say.

WIA

What is interesting is how much harder it is for black guys to "pull" white women than other minorities even with the cool stereotypes. No other minority has positive ones. Latinos are seen as the bottom of the barrel right now, yet it is common to see the two paired even in the South West. I guess that stigma is just so deeply engrained in American society.

(10-26-2015 12:36 AM)Sourcecode Wrote:  Just a heads up.
Despite was Roosh said.
Copenhagen is full of women willing to cheat on their boyfriend to get with a black guy for the first time.
I know this from experience.

Is there a new podcast coming out?

Selection bias much.

Sourcecode - Yes, soon!

Brian Shima - It may be harder for you, but that is not the general consensus.

Denmark has always been a fertile hunting ground for brothas, the women there are "liberal".

@Orange
Maybe I'm trying to drop some data.
I know multiple brothers than have gone to Denmark with similar experiences.

Why would I lie.
People complain that the white girls they are after don't want them.
I literally give a city where I've dropped into and chicks approach me..And excuses are still made.

Denmark, Norway, Sweden had the same chicks that would be high 7s and 8s in the states, approaching brothers in clubs just out of curiosity.

(10-25-2015 01:25 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Just curious what the definition is of a traditional girl?

I don't meet many of them in Canada, to be fair I am in Toronto.

The kind of girl that is happy to cook, clean, and not complain about it.

The kind of girl that will have dinner ready when you get home.

The kind of girl that cares more about her man than her shallow backstabbing friends.

The kind of girl that stands behind you when you make career or life changing decisions.

She'll look good for you. She won't be an embarrassment in public or a crass cunt with a filthy mouth.

She'll even look past the fact your career has stagnated for the last two years because the first thing you do when you get home from the gym or work is start rolling a fat spliff.

The list more or less goes on and on and I'm sure there's threads that deal with the topic in detail. These are just a few examples that come to the top of my mind.

Lots of those type of traditional girls in Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Alberta, Northern BC, and rural Ontario. Even more so in the US Midwest and South. Of course in the south you have to deal with the racists who'll hate the fact you bagged one of 'theirs'.

But let's be honest...that's a personal problem.

PS: I'll vouch for traditional girls but I still have a major soft spot for iphone toting, filthy crass cunts with sleeve tattoos and loose morals. It's a case of do as I say, not as I do.

(10-26-2015 05:48 PM)Sourcecode Wrote:  @Orange
Maybe I'm trying to drop some data.
I know multiple brothers than have gone to Denmark with similar experiences.

Why would I lie.
People complain that the white girls they are after don't want them.
I literally give a city where I've dropped into and chicks approach me..And excuses are still made.

Denmark, Norway, Sweden had the same chicks that would be high 7s and 8s in the states, approaching brothers in clubs just out of curiosity.

I'm not saying you are lying. I'm just saying that you are obviously going to be suffering from selection bias. For example every now and then there is a guy who claims certain women dislike their own men because the women they met said so. Why would certain guys who travel, who clearly look foreign and have no cultural ties tend to meet a disproportionate amount of girls who oppose their own men and culture then the local guys? (Self) Selection bias. I personally know latina girls that state they don't like their own men or how they like black guys but this isn't the standard and if I didn't see things so analytically I would probably assume all latina girls are like this.

(10-24-2015 01:24 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(10-24-2015 10:07 AM)thedarkknight Wrote:  What's up with US and black guys trying to do date inter-racially. Everywhere I go, it's the same : it's next to impossible for black guys to get high quality white women. I'm not denying that and that's not what I'm asking. What i'm asking is,

Is it straight-up negative stereotypes or something else that makes it so difficult in the States?

Honest question.

It is a good question, the simple answer is that USA is a different beast when it comes to dating outside your race. It is not as "liberal" in comparison to the UK in that sense, where a black man can date almost any girl.

I don't think it has anything to do with negative stereotypes or the US being less accepting of interracial dating considering it's also very rare for Black guys to get with high quality White woman anywhere else in Europe too.

^I know many black guys who are gaming high quality women in Europe, so to me is not rare. German girls aren't hard for a decent brother to game.

I have talked to a few guys on this forum who have had success with them. American in Europe and Sourcecode talked about dating girls in that region (on our show). I have even had the privilege of seeing the pictures of some of the girls Sourcecode "dated". So these guys are not talking out of their ass, perhaps you might want to ask what they are doing!

I myself am debating moving back to Europe, I was there before and can tell you it is hell of alot easier to game white chicks than North America. I have said before, it isn't even game.

America has negative stereotypes when it comes to Black men, Canada is a tad better. That is not my problem, that is their problem. I don't fit any stereotype, which seems to confuse people.

One thing I would like say, is that some of you guys have a weak mindset. You are already defeated before you have started.

For you guys talking about "quality" post up an example every time you use the word.

WIA

(10-26-2015 07:10 PM)OrangeKnight Wrote:  

(10-26-2015 05:48 PM)Sourcecode Wrote:  @Orange
Maybe I'm trying to drop some data.
I know multiple brothers than have gone to Denmark with similar experiences.

Why would I lie.
People complain that the white girls they are after don't want them.
I literally give a city where I've dropped into and chicks approach me..And excuses are still made.

Denmark, Norway, Sweden had the same chicks that would be high 7s and 8s in the states, approaching brothers in clubs just out of curiosity.

I'm not saying you are lying. I'm just saying that you are obviously going to be suffering from selection bias. For example every now and then there is a guy who claims certain women dislike their own men because the women they met said so. Why would certain guys who travel, who clearly look foreign and have no cultural ties tend to meet a disproportionate amount of girls who oppose their own men and culture then the local guys? (Self) Selection bias. I personally know latina girls that state they don't like their own men or how they like black guys but this isn't the standard and if I didn't see things so analytically I would probably assume all latina girls are like this.

Your logic would essentially invalidate every datasheet on the forum. All we have for resources on picking up women in different parts of the world is personal experience and word of mouth.

We aren't running empirical science experiments here, and by your logic whose to say you aren't wrong on this one? All we have are case studies on this forum, and the best part is that they are in depth and describe what exactly went on every time X member got laid or had a good time at Y club. It's all personal experience and that's what gives the forum its magic.

(10-26-2015 09:30 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  ^I know many black guys who are gaming high quality women in Europe, so to me is not rare. German girls aren't hard for a decent brother to game.

I have talked to a few guys on this forum who have had success with them. American in Europe and Sourcecode talked about dating girls in that region (on our show). I have even had the privilege of seeing the pictures of some of the girls Sourcecode "dated". So these guys are not talking out of their ass, perhaps you might want to ask what they are doing!

I myself am debating moving back to Europe, I was there before and can tell you it is hell of alot easier to game white chicks than North America. I have said before, it isn't even game.

America has negative stereotypes when it comes to Black men, Canada is a tad better. That is not my problem, that is their problem. I don't fit any stereotype, which seems to confuse people.

One thing I would like say, is that some of you guys have a weak mindset. You are already defeated before you have started.

I'm confused. It says you live in Canada and you also imply you don't live in Europe so how would you know it's not rare? And keep in mind i'm focused objectively. Most of my gaming friends have slept with around 40-60 women, so would this mean guys with a 40-60 lay count isn't rare? Obviously not. Most guys on average sleep with less then 10 women in their lives. Now i'm sure you know Black guys that gamed women but majority of Black guys fail with women.

Now what exactly is high quality because it is subjective. I know Black guys including myself that have gamed some cute girls and if that is what you mean by "high quality" then yes it isn't rare but just uncommon.

For me, when I say high quality i'm referring to the best the country has to offer and the only guys I see them with are always with their own (top local guys) and this also applies to all the places i've lived in and visited/stayed for a period of time (most of Central and Eastern Europe) where the high quality girls are always with their own men. This also matches with what women have told me with regards to dating out their race (only a small percent are open). So if you're not a local top guy, you are very unlikely at getting one especially if you're a foreigner.

I don't know why German girls are brought up since I never mentioned them. Anyways I will say i'm doing alright with German girls. I will also say if you're a decent looking Black guy with game then you can do OK but if you're trying to game the high quality German girls then it's going to be very difficult like anywhere else.

EatMee, you do not think Kroes and Klum are high quality then?

A mindset and attitude so negative EatMee and it will be a self-fulfilling prophecy, you will seem self-conscious and insecure about your race and nothing is more unattractive to girls.

Eat Mee, why don't you read the bio of some of the seasoned chatters such as RudeBwoy before you claim confusion? He is a very well travelled bredda (as such is myself) and what he says is gospel. This white lizard difficulty is limited to only certain cities in America. In Europe, it wasn't hard for a black man to pump decent lizards at all. I struggled more with black lizards in Europe than white. I actually had to avoid the easy layups and try and finish in traffic (London sistas). Even comparatively, it wasn't even that difficult.

As Djemba said aptly, America offers the best opportunities to make money for a man of colour. There may be issues with interracial dating in certain capital cities in North America but the country is far too vast to make such a sweeping statement.

As said before, a lot of guys keep on insisting about the difficulty with such a tenacity, it's like if someone told you it is easy elsewhere you would hold your ears and yell "No, no, no!" because that reality would shatter your existence.

My suggestion is to listen to the podcasts carefully. We have multiple guys from various sectors of globe. Some have money and some are just running off of student funds but they have the important thing which is mindset.

Here is the most important thing that you need to consider:

If dark skinned Delroy from August Town, Jamaica who has an obvious accent and is working at Walmart while he's studying to improve his life, is not complaining about white lizards in North America, why are you?

How many brothers are running proper day game? I don't have any stats to back this up, but my feeling is a lot of black guys get blown out in clubs/online and then come to the conclusion that it's impossible to secure quality white girls.