I can't tell if the post by the "Apollo" guy was serious or he was just joking around.

What do you mean? ^

(09-21-2015 02:30 AM)azulsombra Wrote:  

(09-19-2015 02:09 AM)DiscoBoi Wrote:  @[email protected] Curious but have either of you actually lived in LA?

@azulsombra. I've seen black guys with 5-7s but never have I ever seen one with a 9 here in LA. LA is very difficult for majority of black guys but its also not easy for most white guys and nowhere near as hard as it would be for an asian guy to pull quality girls. Overall LA's not a place for most guys because of the very high competition level.

I don't know how this turned into the LA thread Part Deux: Black Edition, but everyone already knows post-2010 LA is not an easy place to game if you lack confidence, logistics, "swag", connections. LA can be tough for dudes of any race due to bad ratios and early last call. Regardless, lots of brothas come up on some fine girls in LA and no they are not all basketball players, and male models.

I hate the 1-10 scale because it varies between guys so much, especially when you talk about the 9-10 range. Hell, some people don't think a 10 even exists. So you never saw a black guy with what you consider a 9? Ok.

Do you roll in circles where 9s are abundant? Considering blacks are a little less than 10% of LA why is that so surprising? Now if you were in New York or Atlanta and you didn't see any brothas with 9s that would really be saying something.

LA is huge and brings in girls from all over the world I have seen brothas with top quality in Santa Monica, Venice, Hollywood, the Grove,etc. Now if your 9 is only a born and bred rich blond chick from Pacific Palisades, then yes you are right I haven't seen any brothas with "9s" either.

Didn't notice your post till now. Anyways....

I guess looks are subjective because I very rarely see "top quality" girls. In a good week/month i'll see only a handful of 8s and in a good year i'll see maybe a handful of 9s. Now I don't know what a fine/top quality girl is to you but from my perspective I rarely see brothas with quality girls.

Like you said, blacks make up about 10% of LA but that's not the reason for why it's still relatively rare that there's a black guy with a hot non-black girl. While blacks make up 10% of LA this doesn't apply in a linear way with non-black girls where 10% of them are dating a black guy but more like a few percent max. So even tho there's a decent size black population, I still rarely see one with a hot non-black girl above a 7.

(10-18-2015 09:52 AM)TreeBark Wrote:  What do you mean? ^

I thought it was self-explanatory.

Well what I meant was I thought he was just joking around because if you been in the game, you would know what he says is bullshit. But then in the second paragraph he was actually serious with what he said which just shows his inexperience or he's just a keyboard jockey theorist who doesn't take into account the actual facts from guys who have been out in the game for years.

Are you guys not even seeing hot black girls with black guys? The ones I've hooked up with told me they smash the basketball and football teams, most of which are black. If you're a jacked black dude with game, I'm pretty sure you can clean up with the black 8+'s here...I am outsider, however, and could be wrong.

Fuck boys done killed this thread

WIA

Don't save em. They don't wanna be saved.

Don't give up on the thread! As a young black male still swallowing the red pill your insight will help get me laid! Even I can see this past year has been eye-opening to me from a game perspective, and on my few brief months on this forum I've pulled my hottest LTR, ever.

(10-20-2015 01:50 AM)Agastya Wrote:  Are you guys not even seeing hot black girls with black guys? The ones I've hooked up with told me they smash the basketball and football teams, most of which are black. If you're a jacked black dude with game, I'm pretty sure you can clean up with the black 8+'s here...I am outsider, however, and could be wrong.

I'm a black guy with a hot black girl and I can't dribble a basketball to save my life.

This thread has 750+ post now. And multiple podcast spread throughout.

I'm not saying that horses have been beat. But the bulk of information is in the early pages.
While the last few pages have become a circle jerk, I would say anyone reading now should go back and read.

I myself, and the guys that posted her a lot haven't posted as much lately because it almost seems like no one is taking any of the advice.

(10-19-2015 08:27 PM)EatMee Wrote:  

(10-18-2015 09:52 AM)TreeBark Wrote:  What do you mean? ^

I thought it was self-explanatory.

Well what I meant was I thought he was just joking around because if you been in the game, you would know what he says is bullshit. But then in the second paragraph he was actually serious with what he said which just shows his inexperience or he's just a keyboard jockey theorist who doesn't take into account the actual facts from guys who have been out in the game for years.

How long have you been gaming and how do you overcome the difficulties being black in the game? i'm just curious.

(10-20-2015 07:56 PM)TreeBark Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 08:27 PM)EatMee Wrote:  I thought it was self-explanatory.

Well what I meant was I thought he was just joking around because if you been in the game, you would know what he says is bullshit. But then in the second paragraph he was actually serious with what he said which just shows his inexperience or he's just a keyboard jockey theorist who doesn't take into account the actual facts from guys who have been out in the game for years.

How long have you been gaming and how do you overcome the difficulties being black in the game? i'm just curious.

Not to sound like a dick but you need to go out more. You seem to ask a lot of questions so i'm guessing you're inexperience. Now I don't have a problem answering questions but you'll easily get answers to all your questions now and questions you'll get later on from being out there, so you wouldn't need to constantly ask questions over and over again.

Back to the question. Being Black and going for girls outside your race in the anglosphere and abroad, things are harder compared to say a White guy. There aren't ways to overcome being Black because race is something you can't change.

Regardless, most guys I know who are Black or White are not killing it. I'm not gonna deny that being White helps with White girls but it's not some automatic pussy pass unless he's a very good looking White dude (I know guys like this). Overall regardless of race, most guys struggle.

And if you're gonna argue why White guys have it easier with White girls, well NO SHIT, guys will always do better with their own race with regards to the number of options and quality they can get then any outsider, that's how it has always been.

PS, I started gaming since junior year.

Any other black dudes spend a lot of time in China? I know travelerkai has but it doesn't seem like a popular spot. But I'm having a blast in Shenzhen.

(10-20-2015 07:56 PM)TreeBark Wrote:  

(10-19-2015 08:27 PM)EatMee Wrote:  

(10-18-2015 09:52 AM)TreeBark Wrote:  What do you mean? ^

I thought it was self-explanatory.

Well what I meant was I thought he was just joking around because if you been in the game, you would know what he says is bullshit. But then in the second paragraph he was actually serious with what he said which just shows his inexperience or he's just a keyboard jockey theorist who doesn't take into account the actual facts from guys who have been out in the game for years.

How long have you been gaming and how do you overcome the difficulties being black in the game? i'm just curious.

Why don't you tell us the problems you are encountering being "black" in the game?

Fortis - I would love to hear more about your China experience. I will PM you shortly?

(10-21-2015 10:06 AM)EatMee Wrote:  Not to sound like a dick but you need to go out more. You seem to ask a lot of questions so i'm guessing you're inexperience. Now I don't have a problem answering questions but you'll easily get answers to all your questions now and questions you'll get later on from being out there, so you wouldn't need to constantly ask questions over and over again.

Back to the question. Being Black and going for girls outside your race in the anglosphere and abroad, things are harder compared to say a White guy. There aren't ways to overcome being Black because race is something you can't change.

Regardless, most guys I know who are Black or White are not killing it. I'm not gonna deny that being White helps with White girls but it's not some automatic pussy pass unless he's a very good looking White dude (I know guys like this). Overall regardless of race, most guys struggle.

And if you're gonna argue why White guys have it easier with White girls, well NO SHIT, guys will always do better with their own race with regards to the number of options and quality they can get then any outsider, that's how it has always been.

PS, I started gaming since junior year.

I have been out, maybe not as much as others but I have enough experience. I was just curious about your experience so I asked, hence my curiousity.

(10-21-2015 01:50 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Why don't you tell us the problems you are encountering being "black" in the game?

Fortis - I would love to hear more about your China experience. I will PM you shortly?

The problems i'm encountering is the obvious racial preferences women have hence why we need to bring something more. I could just go to a black club but now the issue is the guys because now I gotta make myself stand out among the other black guys and the quality of the girls isn't good.

^How do you know it is because you are black? Are they coming right out and saying that.

Could it be your style, your look, your built, personality, intelligence, your approaches or lack of, your cologne, your breath, your height etc.

You catch my drift!

I have not met you, just asking those questions.

I'm also curious about game in Shenzhen for you Fortis. Closest I have been to China (proper) was Hong Kong and I didn't really notice anything spectacular there. Although I mostly ran into expats and tourists when I was there. The few local girls I did speak to didn't seem too keen.

As far as black game options in the US, it can be an uphill battle depending on where you live. Best you could do is just improve inner-self first and let the cards fall where they may. The one thing I noticed about non-black women I have dated was that the higher quality ones I was able to bag with my character and personality. Especially post-university white women.

This video pertains to black women bitching about dating options among black men:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anIzcje2qbI

Through all the static, there was a great point to be gleamed here. One of the ladies mentioned that a well put together, educated black man was hard to find as they knew they were cream of the crop and had options. I wouldn't advise watching the whole video as it will aggravate you but the point they were making was that an educated black man with a good head on his shoulders is sought after.

However, all these qualifications may be irrelevant in some places of the world. You know what they say, "location, location, location". Instead of wasting energy on the frustration of your current situation, focus on yourself. Work on increasing your credentials and try to become geographically independent. "This too shall pass", eventually you will get the opportunity to change your location and you should take it.

I am attending a university in the Netherlands and I am killing it out here man. Of course it is no paradise but at least our merits will get us much farther here. Especially since we are such a rarity. Here is some perspective, in my class of almost 500 students, there are only three black men including me. The pool of intellectual, single black men isn't very large here and it is easy to clean up in this region. I know I won't do as well if I returned to the states but I have learned some valuable lessons out here since I have been able to practice so much. Lessons that I could have applied in the past while gaming women back home in the US. While I would have been no Casanova, I definitely could have had more success had I more knowledge and better game back in the day.

In short: focus on self and inner-game, possibly move to a brother friendly location, fuck bitches, get money.

(10-22-2015 02:35 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  ^How do you know it is because you are black? Are they coming right out and saying that.

Could it be your style, your look, your built, personality, intelligence, your approaches or lack of, your cologne, your breath, your height etc.

You catch my drift!

I have not met you, just asking those questions.

Actually they did say they weren't into black guys because I asked them. My white guy friends on the other hand are getting more results even tho our game level is the same.

@fury and @rudebwoy. Now I hate using the race card but in every other aspect of my life my race doesn't hold me back at all. I have friends, nobody ever gave me shit or treated me badly. Actually i've done better with asian girls since I have lots of asian friends but I also actually have a lot more white friends but my results are lower with white girls. Now i'm not saying it's like impossible to pull a white girl if you are black (one that doesn't already like black guys on her own) but being black or using the black card certainly isn't going to help with pulling a white girl unless she's one of those black niche types.

What's up with US and black guys trying to do date inter-racially. Everywhere I go, it's the same : it's next to impossible for black guys to get high quality white women. I'm not denying that and that's not what I'm asking. What i'm asking is,

Is it straight-up negative stereotypes or something else that makes it so difficult in the States?

Honest question.

If a black American player can bag a hot black woman, white girls are game on easy mode. It's like cheating really. If dude has never pulled a snow flake, his game needs serious remediation. Brothers hard up for the white need to go to Arizona, Utah, Minnesota, Portland, Seattle, etc.

It's the other minority chicks that have always been harder to crack, because their communities are insular.

But this topic has been beaten to the ground already. The fuck boys are going to keep finding excuses instead of solutions. Most of us that are giving back in this post have already been there and done that with Heather's and Madison's.

WIA

(10-24-2015 10:07 AM)thedarkknight Wrote:  What's up with US and black guys trying to do date inter-racially. Everywhere I go, it's the same : it's next to impossible for black guys to get high quality white women. I'm not denying that and that's not what I'm asking. What i'm asking is,

Is it straight-up negative stereotypes or something else that makes it so difficult in the States?

Honest question.

It is a good question, the simple answer is that USA is a different beast when it comes to dating outside your race. It is not as "liberal" in comparison to the UK in that sense, where a black man can date almost any girl.

You can look no further than some of the topics on this forum and see how people feel about race.

(10-24-2015 01:10 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  If a black American player can bag a hot black woman, white girls are game on easy mode. It's like cheating really. If dude has never pulled a snow flake, his game needs serious remediation. Brothers hard up for the white need to go to Arizona, Utah, Minnesota, Portland, Seattle, etc.

It's the other minority chicks that have always been harder to crack, because their communities are insular.

You're missing my point. I have been with white girls but I had to put in the work because they weren't into black guys. Every now and then i'll come across one that likes black guys but finding one that is actually into black guys is rare, and even rarer to find a hot white girl that has a preference for black guys. Again, i'm not saying it's impossible to pull but being black certainly doesn't help since they're not into black guys meaning you have to have/use game to realistically pull one in the first place.

Correct me if i'm wrong but you're not looking for advice but addressing what's needed to pull a non-fetish white girl?

(10-24-2015 01:10 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  If a black American player can bag a hot black woman, white girls are game on easy mode. It's like cheating really. If dude has never pulled a snow flake, his game needs serious remediation. Brothers hard up for the white need to go to Arizona, Utah, Minnesota, Portland, Seattle, etc.

It's the other minority chicks that have always been harder to crack, because their communities are insular.

But this topic has been beaten to the ground already. The fuck boys are going to keep finding excuses instead of solutions. Most of us that are giving back in this post have already been there and done that with Heather's and Madison's.

WIA

Preach. No offense to anyone but conquering Becky's was the first step up the
staircase of women.

Basically "practice" for the more exotic women you come across as your game matures.

Still not sure why the focus of this discussion has stalled on bagging Becky's

I'm really thinking about hitting up Sydney Australia for new years.
I know, one or two people have been there.

Going through on tinder.. and what other dudes say...there is a decent amount of mixed and brown chicks around.
I'm actually surprised.
Of course its full of snowbunnies...But the mixed chicks are bad.

I gotta go somewhere for the holidays and I'm not to interesting in going to an asian country again.