Post: #1

There is a lot of talk around here of 'notches', and I am curious how guys keep count, and what is considered a notch.

Is a girl you pick up and fuck a notch?

Is a hooker?

Is a freebie from that same hooker?

Is a buddy's mistress loaned to you for a weekend during a brutal cold streak?

Is each of the women you do at a swingers party?

Or is it just how many vaginas your penis has entered?

Any input?

Post: #2

My simple rule has always been, for guys, "If you come, it counts."

Post: #3

Hookers you directly pay don't count. Everything else counts.

Post: #4

I've actually had a few sessions where there was penetration but I didn't cum..I don't know if those are notches and also pre-mature nut sessions (back in the day) so i don't know if those count either..

For instance, I had one chick over at my place, we got down to the penetration and she got a moment of guilt when she was riding me and she got off and said.."I can't do this"

I could have nutted during the backshott but I was holding out to knock out that cooch good and proper..and with her remorse moment, I actually didn't get to nutt..so does that count?

Good question.

Post: #5

Dick in pussy.

Post: #6

(04-14-2011 12:02 PM)Gmac Wrote:  Dick in pussy.

Pretty much.

Post: #7

Vagınal penetratıon wıth consent and wıthout payment (of any kınd)

Nothıng else counts

Post: #8

(04-14-2011 02:33 PM)Lumiere Wrote:  Vagınal penetratıon wıth consent and wıthout payment (of any kınd)

Nothıng else counts

So if you buy her dinner before hand or after, or you buy drinks, then it's cancelled, right?

And it doesn't matter how good she made you feel or whether you 'wanted' to buy her dinner.

If you put any money down for the broad, the notch is negated.

I'm guessing that brains till detonation doesn't count either, si?

Post: #9

(04-14-2011 02:39 PM)Moma Wrote:  So if you buy her dinner before hand or after, or you buy drinks, then it's cancelled, right?

Are you tellıng us that you are the kınd of dude that buys meals and drınks for gırls that you have not banged because you want to bang them?

If so, why do you do that?

You can ask and answer your own questıon yourself. Is ıt because you and the gırl consıder ıt part of the deal?

If that ıs what you are doıng and you are attractıng the kınd of gırl that regards that as payment for her company then, yeah, you are payıng for sex and ıt does not count.

Post: #10

(04-14-2011 02:39 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(04-14-2011 02:33 PM)Lumiere Wrote:  Vagınal penetratıon wıth consent and wıthout payment (of any kınd)

Nothıng else counts

So if you buy her dinner before hand or after, or you buy drinks, then it's cancelled, right?

And it doesn't matter how good she made you feel or whether you 'wanted' to buy her dinner.

If you put any money down for the broad, the notch is negated.

I'm guessing that brains till detonation doesn't count either, si?

It's about intent. Notches are earned through any means but payment for sex and rape imo

Post: #11

This thread is a good example why comparing raw notch counts is completely meaningless. If all of us, who supposedly share similar interests, do not share the same standard, then it is completely meaningless.

Post: #12

I posed this question before:

"Had this deal cooking and my assistant was out of town and away from a computer.

I swooped this fly exotic dancer the night before and needed someone to bust out some super time sensitive admin work.

Bought the girl a pair of jeans so she would help me for a few hours.

Ended up making the deal happen and pocketing a cool $25,000.

Question for the "never buy a girl anything not even a cocktail" players on here:

Does this make me a beta because I bought her a pair of jeans?"

/thread-461-po...l#pid48763

Does that count as a notch or not since I spent money?

Post: #13

I'd count any instance of sexual intercourse with a female. In other words: dick in pussy.

I don't care about the hooker/pro distinction either. I'll agree that asterisks should probably be placed next to such instances, but they still count as notches in my book.

Post: #14

Im curious what counts as a flag. Is it someone born in that country, or of that country? Would banging an Indian girl who's parents are fresh of the plan from New Delhi count as an Indian flag since her heritage is pure?

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Post: #15

(04-14-2011 02:39 PM)Moma Wrote:  )

I'm guessing that brains till detonation doesn't count either, si?

Moma brings up a good point, does no one here count the act of fellatio to completion with swallowing as a notch? Especially, when that was your intent all along? Just curious, because sometimes I pursue a particular female purely for oral pleasure with the pussy not even being a factor. Receiving good brain damage is sometimes more of a challenge then going after the pussy.

Post: #16

(04-14-2011 02:45 PM)Lumiere Wrote:  

(04-14-2011 02:39 PM)Moma Wrote:  So if you buy her dinner before hand or after, or you buy drinks, then it's cancelled, right?

Are you tellıng us that you are the kınd of dude that buys meals and drınks for gırls that you have not banged because you want to bang them?

If so, why do you do that?

You can ask and answer your own questıon yourself. Is ıt because you and the gırl consıder ıt part of the deal?

If that ıs what you are doıng and you are attractıng the kınd of gırl that regards that as payment for her company then, yeah, you are payıng for sex and ıt does not count.

No, I don't imply anything. If I am that type of dude, I will tell you so, I don't give a shyt but I am not in fact, I've been cheap on broads from inception.

I am just trying to get some other peeps in here to admit that they pay indirectly for pussy. It doesn't matter if you and the girl consider it part of the deal or whether you 'feel' like doing it. I was just wondering what an acceptable notch and what isn't.

Post: #17

(04-14-2011 08:24 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  I'd count any instance of sexual intercourse with a female. In other words: dick in pussy.
I don't care about the hooker/pro distinction either. I'll agree that asterisks should probably be placed next to such instances, but they still count as notches in my book.

Ditto. Yet another example that there is a huge cultural difference between Europeans and Americans.

Post: #18

(04-14-2011 10:23 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(04-14-2011 02:45 PM)Lumiere Wrote:  

(04-14-2011 02:39 PM)Moma Wrote:  So if you buy her dinner before hand or after, or you buy drinks, then it's cancelled, right?

Are you tellıng us that you are the kınd of dude that buys meals and drınks for gırls that you have not banged because you want to bang them?

If so, why do you do that?

You can ask and answer your own questıon yourself. Is ıt because you and the gırl consıder ıt part of the deal?

If that ıs what you are doıng and you are attractıng the kınd of gırl that regards that as payment for her company then, yeah, you are payıng for sex and ıt does not count.

No, I don't imply anything. If I am that type of dude, I will tell you so, I don't give a shyt but I am not in fact, I've been cheap on broads from inception.

I am just trying to get some other peeps in here to admit that they pay indirectly for pussy. It doesn't matter if you and the girl consider it part of the deal or whether you 'feel' like doing it. I was just wondering what an acceptable notch and what isn't.

It's called cost per notch...

Post: #19

(04-15-2011 04:05 AM)oldnemesis Wrote:  Ditto. Yet another example that there is a huge cultural difference between Europeans and Americans.

I live in the US and have for the majority of my life, but I'm actually Jamaican-British. I think that makes the difference, because many Caribbean men don't have the same hangups about it either. Most European men(save for maybe a few Scandinavians) obviously have no issues, and neither do Asians and most Latin Americans.

Americans (not many of the guys on this forum, but the average joes out there) have a strange habit of insisting on never paying directly...and then consistently overpaying indirectly (excessive pedestalization, buying big $200 dinners every week, huge gifts, "sponsorship", "it ain't tricking if you got it", etc). It is a fascinating phenomenon.

Post: #20

(04-15-2011 08:47 AM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(04-15-2011 04:05 AM)oldnemesis Wrote:  Ditto. Yet another example that there is a huge cultural difference between Europeans and Americans.

I live in the US and have for the majority of my life, but I'm actually Jamaican-British. I think that makes the difference, because many Caribbean men don't have the same hangups about it either. Most European men(save for maybe a few Scandinavians) obviously have no issues, and neither do Asians and most Latin Americans.

Americans (not many of the guys on this forum, but the average joes out there) have a strange habit of insisting on never paying directly...and then consistently overpaying indirectly (excessive pedestalization, buying big $200 dinners every week, huge gifts, "sponsorship", "it ain't tricking if you got it", etc). It is a fascinating phenomenon.

There's something to said for earning notches. That's why hookers don't count... Where is the effort? Not to knock anyone who does, it's just not my thing.

Post: #21

As I understand it a notch is any consensual vaginal or anal penetration of a unique girl that you did not pay for directly.

Post: #22

(04-15-2011 09:36 AM)Gmac Wrote:  There's something to said for earning notches. That's why hookers don't count... Where is the effort? Not to knock anyone who does, it's just not my thing.

I agree that there can be something to be said for "earning" notches non-transactionally, which is why I suggested the "asterisk" next to notches with hookers.

At the same time, however, I find there to be a disturbing lack of distinction between the cost of most of these "earned" notches and the price of a call girl. Unless you have very good game (and often times even then), the indirect cost of these "earned" notches can often exceed that of a common escort's rate. Sex is expensive, especially in the US.

In spite of this(and this is the perplexing part), these men who carry this cost often adopt a stance of self-righteousness when faced with men who go the direct route. Because they paid indirectly, they behave almost as though they incurred no cost, when in fact they invest more for their notches (and even more for continued access to said women in relationships). As I said before, it is common for men to insist on never paying directly and adopting almost a sort of cult/pride/badge of honor from that basis while still paying these exorbitant indirect prices in time, money, resources, etc.

One strategy does not seem to necessarily be head and shoulders above the other in terms of practicality, yet only one seems to gain approval. I'm not saying the direct route is for everyone and that it should not be promoted with some caution (like I said, put asterisks next to those notches with hookers/escorts) but I don't see why they shouldn't be counted as notches all the same. I haven't yet heard a really good reason for this.

Post: #23

To add to this ^^^^^, the top ballers (millionaires, busy business men) don't really have the time to be calling women and running psychological game on women to get some ass.

It's less stressful for them and time efficient to call up a slut and drop some paper on her when they need to break off a little something.

Honestly, sometimes when I am on a date, I think that I could spend that time working on my business and personal development.

The only reason I tolerate dates with these simpleton lizards is for sex.

If it cost me a 1 cent to fcuk a lizard, by jove, I would pay that cent because it's worth it to me to save the hassle.

Now, if I am looking for a wife or an LTR, then by all means, yes I would go out and personally test and prospect and GAME.

I was reading a book based on a true story, which had a guy who was known as a 'fixer' for political persons and he had no problems with calling up escort girls when he needed to fcuk. He felt it was less hassle.

This character was an extremely busy guy. He had no time to be in clubs chatting shyt and sorting out those who want to fcuk from those who are attention whores. Time literally was money.

Post: #24

It seems like these threads always breakdown into two camps:

1. The "I never spend any money on girls" and "I would never pay a girl directly" camp

2. The "You pay no matter what" camp

I applaud the first camp for their high morals and principles.

I also doubt that if they could swoop a trio of Victoria Secret Models for a $1 they would stick to their principles.

If they did I would respect them. But I would also call them idiots.

The second camp is of course correct in their thinking. They are usually higher income earners that don't have 8 hours a day to Street Game in Bookstores and Coffee shops.

There is also a myth on here that keeps getting perpetuated that guys either:

Never swoop hookys
Or Only swoop hookys

I think I mentioned it on Roosh's blog one time that I have a "friend" that probably swoops about 160 girls per year. No Joke. About 100 of them are civilians; insanely fly. The other 60 are high priced hookys.

He goes out 5 nights a week minimum. If he doesn't swoop a fly civilian, he goes hooky as a back up. Hell, some nights he swoops a civilian then swoops a hooky the same night.

Guy has insane Game. You going to tell me the cat isn't a player?

Hell, I know more than a few guys like this, he is probably the most extreme though.

Where do I stand on the issue?

I don't care what anyone does as long as it makes them happy.

Post: #25

agree with gman. Lots of decent players commonly mack regular girls, shore and whore.