Post: #151

If it's true, the bit about Julien enjoying attention and drama more than sex is telling.

I used to be that way too. A textbook narcissist. That is, somebody who is more in love with an image of oneself than with the actual self.

It's a product of a certain type of childhood, in which an overbearing parent cultivates too much dependency on their approval to the point where the child's feelings of validation are inextricably linked to being given a pat on the head, and his actions inextricably bound by the fear of being disapproved of.

Back then this kind of material appealed to me. Actually, all 'material' appealed to me because I cared more about attention and validation and discussing game theories than I did about getting my dick wet. That's what game was all about for me: getting reactions.

In chakra terms, you could say that the head chakra was too lit up and the heart and lower centers weren't activated.

But going back to RSD, I think this is about the average psychological profile of their target market: narcissistic personalities who care less about getting laid than bragging about getting laid.

Not that all of their students are like that, nor all of their instructors. But from a marketing angle, I can't help but infer along these lines.

Post: #152

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Post: #153

(11-05-2014 09:51 AM)Deluge Wrote:  

(11-05-2014 09:43 AM)Fisto Wrote:  Being in a gangbang means you arent a newbie in game?

Shit I guess I'm a newbie then and always will be.

You know exactly what I mean. It reads like you picked on Saladin just because he was speaking positively about learning from a member you have personal issues with.

Edit:

(11-05-2014 09:50 AM)Roosh Wrote:  Also, forum members with the following signature tag seem to be heavily invested in the RSD school:

"U of Roosh Class of 2420"

They seem to be most sympathetic to what RSD is going through.

Saladin used to be a fan. I know a lot about RSD because some of my main wingmen used to be fans too. The rest of the squad have no connection at all. That's the full and honest truth of the matter.

I'm not a big fan of RSD anymore, I don't think Julien and Tyler's advice produces high quality results, unless you're a certain personality type.

I'll still stand by Alex though, his advice is legit.

Post: #154

"Well, this sht has definitely gone viral here... Several of my facebook friends have also posted about it today."

Ooh, fuck me. I knew this would happen. I've been working and have barely had time to leave the house, let alone talk to anybody. Well, let's just hope it blows over.

Deluge:
What he's doing is very likely a crime in Japan. Drunks and idiots manhandling women in public aren't exactly a new problem there, and they have a system set up for dealing with it. None of the other Japanese-speaking posters chimed in, which means it's possible I'm way, way off, but it really feels like the conduct he's promoting violates the 強制わいせつ罪 and 迷惑防止条例違反 laws (Very likely the latter). Now, is he going to be arrested and extradited for it? Heck no. Teams of commando ninjas are not going to yank him from his home in the night and spirit him back to the land of the rising sun to stand trial for kissing a girl who didn't want it.

But he's teaching people to go and act like he does. And if a lot of his students start doing this, which is clearly what he wants, there's good odds one of them is going to end up in jail.

Post: #155

U of Roosh Class of 2420

What the hell does that mean?

Post: #156

(11-05-2014 10:26 AM)Gosh900 Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 04:44 AM)turkishcandy Wrote:  I will support this RSD dudes like Julien the day they go to a place like Ukraine and get pussy. Until then, they are a joke. They are just a reaction to the Western dating market. All it takes to excite a Western girl or Asian girl is being able to talk fast and confident. That's what all these guys' games are based on. You have a truly ''top notch game'' when you are able to pull hot EE girls without paying. So stop saying Julien or other clowns ''have game''.

PS: Why do you think these guys go nowhere but North America and SEA?

Can't believe you have actually wrote that.
Those guys go everywhere.
They did seminars in the US, Canada, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Germany, France, Switzerland, Netherlands, Belgium, Austria, UK, Ireland, Denmark, Spain, Czech Republic, Poland, Hungary, Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia, Russia, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, Hong Kong and others.
Basically they go everywhere there are guys who can speak english, at least a bit.

And what you said about east european girls is insane. They are some of the easiest girl to pull for various reasons and everybody know that. Why do you think lots of guys go to these countries? There are lots of stunners and few hot guys, not to mention the economic conditions they often have to put up with.
I think only Finland girls are easier than EE girls (speaking of Europe of course).

If you think the hot girls there are the most difficult to pull I'll wait you to come here in Italy.

Let's be real for god's sake. You guys can hate on RSD guys but you can't say they have no game because they didn't pull in Ukraine. It's ridiculous

They do workshops everywhere, that is to gain money. For recreational sex tourism, they only frequent NA and SEA.

About EE girls, I never said they are hard to pull. I said asshole game doesn't make them wet. Spitting out bullshit fast and pushing your cockiness to extreme don't get you laid there and that's what all RSD game is based on. They meditate and shit on being an asshole, since western girls dig it. A guy like Tyler or Julien with such game would be just laughed at and kicked out in an EE club. Game in EE is about displaying your SMV and your assets. Looking rich, mature and confident, dressing nice, speaking the local language, having friends in the club, looking like a permenant resident and driving a car are things that matter in EE.

Post: #157

(11-05-2014 12:44 AM)Deluge Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 11:25 AM)turkishcandy Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 11:15 AM)Roosh Wrote:  Deluge are you getting paid to defend them?

I would bet a good money that he at least attended one meeting and paid that ridiculous amount of money, as many guys here in RVF did and who are polluting the threads with pro-RSD ''Tyler has tight game'' bullshit, he is trying to convince himself that he didn't waste his money.

Lol can't believe I missed this. I have never paid RSD a cent. And if I had, I would've posted a review of it. The only pickup stuff I have ever bought are Roosh's books. You seem sure the RSD instructors have bad game, did you pay for their coaching and have a bad experience? If so why not just tell us what your grievances are instead of coming off like a butthurt hater.

Also I don't get where monster's head is saying Julien's Tokyo video isn't representative. This is a guy who apparently now opens girls in clubs calling them "dog" in their native language and opens by choking them, this is a clear pattern of behaviour from him specifically.

Yeah you caught me. I lost half my fortune to Creepy RSD guys, now I'm just hating on them.

On a serious note, this is a forum that advocates game and self improvement. Your RSD propaganda is not welcomed here. Why am I hating them so much or what's so bad about RSD? I believe RSD is singlehandedly making this world a darker place for any guy who wants to pick up a girl of his choosing. The last 3 words are all that matters. An RSD member is prone to borderline-harassing hundreds of girls, spam approaching anything that moves regardless of type, age, race and hotness. They do get laid, sure, and they think they get their money's and effort's worth. But 2 things: 1) They pull pretty average and below-average quality. 2) After they are done, they leave behind a sea of women who've just been aggressively approached and the rest of the guys have to deal with those women's attitude. The shit you get when you are trying online dating, the attitude women give you, RSD has successfully managed to take this to the real life. They use the same aggressive spamming bullshit methods that ''don't take no for an answer'' and otherwise-feminine women start walking around with giant bitch shields after being groped by these guys. So call me a hater if you like, but I'm not gonna stand anyone who defends these assholes.

Post: #158

Simple pick up are just as fucking bad, they can all fuck off with their weasling methods of 'game'.

Post: #159

(11-05-2014 01:44 PM)turkishcandy Wrote:  

(11-05-2014 12:44 AM)Deluge Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 11:25 AM)turkishcandy Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 11:15 AM)Roosh Wrote:  Deluge are you getting paid to defend them?

I would bet a good money that he at least attended one meeting and paid that ridiculous amount of money, as many guys here in RVF did and who are polluting the threads with pro-RSD ''Tyler has tight game'' bullshit, he is trying to convince himself that he didn't waste his money.

Lol can't believe I missed this. I have never paid RSD a cent. And if I had, I would've posted a review of it. The only pickup stuff I have ever bought are Roosh's books. You seem sure the RSD instructors have bad game, did you pay for their coaching and have a bad experience? If so why not just tell us what your grievances are instead of coming off like a butthurt hater.

Also I don't get where monster's head is saying Julien's Tokyo video isn't representative. This is a guy who apparently now opens girls in clubs calling them "dog" in their native language and opens by choking them, this is a clear pattern of behaviour from him specifically.

Yeah you caught me. I lost half my fortune to Creepy RSD guys, now I'm just hating on them.

On a serious note, this is a forum that advocates game and self improvement. Your RSD propaganda is not welcomed here. Why am I hating them so much or what's so bad about RSD? I believe RSD is singlehandedly making this world a darker place for any guy who wants to pick up a girl of his choosing. The last 3 words are all that matters. An RSD member is prone to borderline-harassing hundreds of girls, spam approaching anything that moves regardless of type, age, race and hotness. They do get laid, sure, and they think they get their money's and effort's worth. But 2 things: 1) They pull pretty average and below-average quality. 2) After they are done, they leave behind a sea of women who've just been aggressively approached and the rest of the guys have to deal with those women's attitude. The shit you get when you are trying online dating, the attitude women give you, RSD has successfully managed to take this to the real life. They use the same aggressive spamming bullshit methods that ''don't take no for an answer'' and otherwise-feminine women start walking around with giant bitch shields after being groped by these guys. So call me a hater if you like, but I'm not gonna stand anyone who defends these assholes.

Exactly. It is basically like if a guy flew to Tokyo, smeared himself with shit and danced outside a subway station and then returned to sell a workshop about his success because 1 girl just stared at him rather than running or calling the cops. Any type of approach will have some tiny chance of success. It doesn't mean it's effective. And this guy doesn't claim to have spent a lot of time in Japan, speak Japanese or otherwise know the country, which is clear from the video.

And I don't think I or other expats think this guy by himself does much harm. But there are a lot of similarly desperate social retards who think all of Asia=Bangkok brothel, behave accordingly and create a negative stereotype for the rest of us.

Post: #160

(11-05-2014 11:00 AM)dreambig Wrote:  

(11-05-2014 10:44 AM)CJ_W Wrote:  

(11-05-2014 10:00 AM)zanetti Wrote:  I was on a date with a j girl tonight who brought it up, said a friend of hers showed her the Julien vid. She said she has a strong dislike for foreigners that come here thinking that all j girls are easy, that it's easy to get laid etc

Ouch! Yeah, once she's already thought of that you're already in trouble. . .you're definitely not going to get the bang that night.

Interestingly, my experience has been the opposite. I tend to get laid that night after hearing this. It's a shit test ala Japanese slut.

I've only gotten laid after the "We're not having sex" line. But then maybe I didn't know that it was a shit test and was psyched myself out of a lay. . .I always got extreme LMR from those girls.

Post: #161

I've never heard of RSD but other than the shit this guy pulled how is the game they run different than the game you guys run? I'm currently reading bang so I'm not that experienced in all the methods (I also have day bang but I'm reading bang first)

I know that's a noob question

Post: #162

I don't grab girls faces and shove them into my crotch in public?
I don't kiss girls at cash registers?

I don't go to a foreign country and assume that since girls are too nice to punch me they're actually interested in me?

Post: #163

(11-05-2014 04:00 PM)L M McCoy Wrote:  I've never heard of RSD but other than the shit this guy pulled how is the game they run different than the game you guys run? I'm currently reading bang so I'm not that experienced in all the methods (I also have day bang but I'm reading bang first)

I know that's a noob question

Literal spam approaching and creating drama. It's just a numbers game that either works if you are attractive or want low quality.

Post: #164

I'm pretty dissapointed in the overall response of the board to this event. About 90% of the forum pretty much started hating on RSD and Julien and got really far ahead of themselves with scenarios where Roosh's books will somehow be taken down as a result.

Is Julien a psychopath?Yes he is. His game is pretty much narcissism + emotional callousness + emotional manipulation of the women he interacts with by means of drama and excitement - psychopath game. His game is good and works regardless of how much you don't want it to be true. What you see him do in the video is not proof of bad game, but proof of his love of testing boundaries and attention whoring for pure profit. So i'm not saying that you should do what he did in Japan, but I am saying that if you listen to some of his stuff there's some good shit there.

Is RSD overall harmful for gullible inexperienced men? I don't know. But I personally don't care, and neither i think should you. RSD is first and foremost a business, and preaching self-improvement by means of hard work(like Roosh does) will never give you a 7-figure bottom-line. They constantly try to spit out new material without seeming like they're beating a dead horse, and some of the material will be extreme because that's what captures attention and drives the cash. So they're teaching a bunch of men to spam-approach using aggressive game, that doesn't mean that it will influence your results. The very nature of game is adaptation, if (hypothetically) a lot of men would start spam-approaching aggressively because of RSD you should just tone it down to differentiate yourselves from the herd. It's not the end of the earth. Caring about men learning bad game from RSD would be like caring about all the whiteknights and betas of the world. It's the same thing fundamentally, just men with bad game.

I personally never payed a dime for game material in my life, and i would never go to one of their 'hotseats'. But I did get value from Tyler's self-improvement videos and Juliens style of high energy club game. Tagging all the RSD material as 'bad game' is pretty ridiculous, it's all about taking everything with a grain of salt and getting context from the real world regardless of what you're learning. If some clueless dude will go out today in Japan and do the pikachu shit on some girls and get his ass kicked, i couldn't care less.

Post: #165

How do I get that emoticon where the guy is making the jackoff hand gesture from my phone?

Post: #166

this one?

It's <colon> tard <colon>

Post: #167

(11-05-2014 01:27 PM)turkishcandy Wrote:  

(11-05-2014 10:26 AM)Gosh900 Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 04:44 AM)turkishcandy Wrote:  I will support this RSD dudes like Julien the day they go to a place like Ukraine and get pussy. Until then, they are a joke. They are just a reaction to the Western dating market. All it takes to excite a Western girl or Asian girl is being able to talk fast and confident. That's what all these guys' games are based on. You have a truly ''top notch game'' when you are able to pull hot EE girls without paying. So stop saying Julien or other clowns ''have game''.

PS: Why do you think these guys go nowhere but North America and SEA?

Can't believe you have actually wrote that.
Those guys go everywhere.
They did seminars in the US, Canada, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Germany, France, Switzerland, Netherlands, Belgium, Austria, UK, Ireland, Denmark, Spain, Czech Republic, Poland, Hungary, Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia, Russia, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, Hong Kong and others.
Basically they go everywhere there are guys who can speak english, at least a bit.

And what you said about east european girls is insane. They are some of the easiest girl to pull for various reasons and everybody know that. Why do you think lots of guys go to these countries? There are lots of stunners and few hot guys, not to mention the economic conditions they often have to put up with.
I think only Finland girls are easier than EE girls (speaking of Europe of course).

If you think the hot girls there are the most difficult to pull I'll wait you to come here in Italy.

Let's be real for god's sake. You guys can hate on RSD guys but you can't say they have no game because they didn't pull in Ukraine. It's ridiculous

They do workshops everywhere, that is to gain money. For recreational sex tourism, they only frequent NA and SEA.

About EE girls, I never said they are hard to pull. I said asshole game doesn't make them wet. Spitting out bullshit fast and pushing your cockiness to extreme don't get you laid there and that's what all RSD game is based on. They meditate and shit on being an asshole, since western girls dig it. A guy like Tyler or Julien with such game would be just laughed at and kicked out in an EE club. Game in EE is about displaying your SMV and your assets. Looking rich, mature and confident, dressing nice, speaking the local language, having friends in the club, looking like a permenant resident and driving a car are things that matter in EE.

If for SEA you mean South East Asia that is not true.
They are in the US, Western Europe and Australia and they mainly game girls from those countries.
I've never seen a single video of them in South East Asia because the average follower of RSD can't care less about Thailand or Philippines, they haven't followers from SEA or even if they have they are insignificant in numbers.

Anyway, they have videos of them pulling girls in EE (both at the Hot Seat and in the free videos on youtube) so I guess that's enough to prove they can successfully game girls there....and even though I agree on the fact that with EE girls it's better to tone down the cockiness a little bit they still are drawn by confident and "asshole like" men.

The qualities that you listed represent what the they seek in a guy for a relationship (a good provider), but if you're not interested in that kind of thing you had better to be bold and asshole otherwise they will drag you along for 3-4-5 or more dates (and they will be expensive) before agreeing to put out.

Post: #168

(11-05-2014 01:17 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  U of Roosh Class of 2420

What the hell does that mean?

I have no clue. Ask Deluge.

Post: #169

(11-05-2014 09:47 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:but how far would they have to dig through your Youtube back catalogue to find something they could spin a hit piece off?

All the way back, because I don't teach physical assault in my videos nor do I display it. All my posts and videos have been combed through by SJW's, and the worst they could find was one paragraph in Bang Iceland about me saying I had sex with a girl who was drinking.

But you can continue shilling for RSD. I hope you didn't pay too much for the workshops.

I've got no interest in shilling for RSD Roosh. I have never spent a dollar with them, I never will.
I think their approach does more harm than good for the participants and they are doing more to bridge the gap between game and harassment than anyone else on the planet.

My point is, RSD gets shut down today, you, or someone else on this forum, tomorrow. That's it.

But this thread seems to be more concerned with weighing the merits, or lack there of, of Julian and RSD.
And everyone also seems to be fine with SJW's and feminists policing shit as long as it's material they don't like or it cuts into their market share.

Carry on, I'm out.

Post: #170

I don't follow rsd but it seems they fill the LCD (Lowest Common Denominator) segment of the game market. The world is filled with uninformed consumers, so when weak dudes see these videos they think, "Wow, all I have to do is be a white god (read: retard) and Japanese chicks will love me." It's a joke.

Gorilla game, like all forms of game, has its time and place, and can be effective. This is not really gorilla game though, it's highly disrespectful and will lead to nothing more than some 'lulz'. Also, who the fuck are these guys paying for bootcamps? Did these guys really soak up his advice about shoving a bitch's face into your crotch and saying pikachu? Pathetic.

Again, each market has its own spectrum of products/services on offer. Some are high brow and some are low. It is equivalent to the idea of a well made indie film like Boyhood grossing 1% of the latest superhero movie's take. The thing is, for the people that fulfill the LCD segment, they don't realize it at all.

In the end rsd is trying to sell something to someone, and if they can find a willing audience and paying customers, then they are doing something right. That doesn't mean it is a good service, it just means they were able to tap into the market. Kudos to them for that, but damn, that video comes off as the bottom of the barrel.

I don't mean to insult anyone that has learned from the rsd crew, just that in the long run, the value you get from a style like this is always going to be capped and it will certainly hinder you when it comes time to adapt. Spam approaching when you're 50? You're the creepy old guy at the bar/on the street. Physically harassing polite Asian girls at 40? You're the caveman foreigner with no dignity. Before long you're balding and getting fat, relying on p4p and remembering the good old days when you could successfully pull off asshole game.

Post: #171

(11-05-2014 07:33 PM)Saladin Wrote:  

(11-05-2014 01:17 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  U of Roosh Class of 2420

What the hell does that mean?

I have no clue. Ask Deluge.

It's your signature. Are you kidding?

Post: #172

I have a friend who recently went full-on PUA mode. I wasn't sure at first which sect of game he was following, but now after seeing this video and reading about RSD a little I'm pretty sure he's an RSD follower.

This guy has become kinda annoying. He's obsessed with constantly talking to girls and criticized me for not taking every opportunity every day in every location to chat up random women.

When I recommended a good bar for him to go to, he criticized me for "having mental blocks" and said you can talk to girls anywhere, just go to coffee shops or on the street.

He also got mad at me when I suggested he take a break for a couple of days from approaching girls, castigating me about how professional athletes don’t take breaks, and talking to girls is a skill that requires constant practice, and any break make you regress.

Now I actually remember him talking about the nature of women and saying, “that’s how social dynamics works!”

To be fair, he does gets lots of numbers, and his love life has definitely improved from what it was… But I dunno it seems psychologically exhausting for the pay-off.

Post: #173

I'm in the city considered a concentration camp for RSD. I'm had my fair share experience in going through their content, hanging out with RSD guys, and of course, the same share here on RVF, so I feel a bit qualified on the manner.

If I can sum it up in short, there's a reason people I've met through RVF are good friends of mine, and people I've met through RSD I cut contact with (with exceptions).

I actually started out more with RSD than anything RVF related. State, high energy, approach by numbers, all that kind of shit. It got to the point though I realized something was off, though. So I took some of what I learned and treasured, and ditched the rest.

Came to RVF. Didn't really start absorbing it and learning and applying it until months after I joined. There was something genuine about what I was learning from posters here. I remember I read Samseau's thread on dance game which revolutionized the way I handle myself out at night. Before it was always about going out, being high energy ie. bouncing off the walls, laying out carpet bombs of approaches. I still did that for some time, but I learned to calibrate it.

Anyways, I don't want to rant because I could, so I'll just sum it up here:

RSD guys are defined by their interactions with girls
RVF guys are defined by themselves and who they choose to be

Although there are exceptions with RSD guys. I know a couple (few few among several) that absolutely kill it with game and have their shit together. But like I said, exceptions.

Post: #174

(11-05-2014 08:04 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(11-05-2014 07:33 PM)Saladin Wrote:  

(11-05-2014 01:17 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  U of Roosh Class of 2420

What the hell does that mean?

I have no clue. Ask Deluge.

It's your signature. Are you kidding?

Deluge just explained it.

Post: #175

^This is rich