(10-08-2014 08:39 PM)lefonque Wrote: Hmm i guess my writings are not visible to you , i think this is because you are an erdogan supporter and like him you need a prompter to talk maybe ?
I am not going to disturb you anymore so you may stay calm .
My humble advice to you is ;
Take a look at what happened in egypt , and see what a muslim brother has done to his country right after he was forced to go out .
Have a good one
I'm avoiding to respond to you because you are not contributing to the discussion in any meaningful way, instead you are just filling the thread with ignorant rhetorical questions. Take a look at your contribution and then tell me why I sould take you seriously.
(10-08-2014 08:39 PM)lefonque Wrote: Hmm i guess my writings are not visible to you , i think this is because you are an erdogan supporter and like him you need a prompter to talk maybe ?
I am not going to disturb you anymore so you may stay calm .
My humble advice to you is ;
Take a look at what happened in egypt , and see what a muslim brother has done to his country right after he was forced to go out .
Have a good one
No, I'm not an ''erdogan supporter''. Believe it or not, Turks are not divided into for-erdogan's and pro-erdogan's. And you are really delusional and prove to know nothing about the history and politics if you think Erdogan is gonna end up fleeing from Turkey. And I'm saying this as someone who protested against him in June 2013 protests. Your Egypt comparison is just dumb and bigoted to say the least. In order for a leader to be exiled/imprisoned/executed by its own people, you need to have a combination of factors: collapsed economy, loss of support from the majority of people and a totalitarian attitude to stay in power by any means necessary, like ruling the country with an iron fist. In Erdogan's case, his popularity keeps getting increased with every election (currently it's +50%), the Turkish economy is stronger than ever and despite his increasingly authoritarian attitude he's still a very legitimate leader. On top of that, he completely crippled the powerful military command in the last years and pushed them into submission in order to eliminate the risk of a military coup against his conservative regime. If you want to compare Erdogan to someone, compare him to Putin. They are following similar strategies in terms of controlling the media, justice system, the oligarchs and the masses with propaganda, corruption, religion and patriotism. I will believe Erdogan will have a tragic fall the day Putin gets locked up.
Thanx god , i am really flattered . Do you remember these words ?
RE: "Turkey imposes ban on piercings, tattoos in all schools"
The youth in Turkey is divided into 2 groups. On one hand you have the islamists who cover their head and who are against drinking, drugs, sex, partying and any social activity that involves both genders. They live by quran and vote for .....
guess who wrote them at the tattoo tread , are u high on something ?
Either he will run or he will visit his pal Apo in the island ,
but he has no balls.he ran away from the first day Of Gezi Park to Morocco . Sooner or later ..
And ıam afraid iam not a pro gay pro lesbien leftist and didnt take part in any protests.
Comparing Putin with Erdogan is
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(10-08-2014 05:20 PM)turkishcandy Wrote: You do realize Turkish is in an unofficial war with the Kurdish separatists don't you? What incentive is there for Turkey to aid the Kurds outside of its borders? You sound like Turkey is morally obligated to restore balance in Syria like some kind of a Middle East Police. How misguided are you? The Kurds have been burning hospitals, schools, public property, goverment buildings, raiding stores, cars and houses in several Turkish cities for the last few days and 22 people are dead so far. Curfew was declared in 6 Turkish cities. There are tanks rolling in the street of major cities right now, including Istanbul. This is nothing less than a small scale war, and Kobani is where the Kurds recruit members for their terrorist organization PKK. And Turkey is supposed to help them because Kurdish civilians are being killed? This is a conflict between Kurds and Radical Islamists and it's got nothing to do with Turkey. Furthermore, the majority of Turkish citizens are so fed up with the Kurds that they don't feel any symphaty with the Kurds being killed in Kobani, they even hope that ISIS wipes them all out.
You think Kurds terrorizing Europe and Turkey to protest the events in Syria is justified? ''Let's vandalize in Hamburg and Istanbul because ISIS is attacking Kobani'' what hamsterish mentality is this and you think it is ''justified''.
One of these protests was 2 subway stops from me. The Kurds were approached by 400 Salafists and attacked with machetes and metal bars, with bloody rags filling the street.
Turkey does have a moral obligation to act as a NATO member, and should another one be attacked, they'll have a legal obligation. They need to get with the team or get the hell out and stop enjoying the benefits of NATO membership while doing next to nothing in return. The YPG is not the PKK. Nearly all ISIS fighters travel through Turkey to the battlefield, and arms and supplies travel by rail through Turkey to ISIS. A Turkish soldier was recently hit by a stray bullet, and mortars have fallen on Turkish land. Short of supporting them ideologically, is there any reason everyone else in NATO is bombing ISIS while Turkey gets a free pass to collaborate and look the other way? As if one legitimate case of genocide in the past century wasn't enough from them, now they're willingly allowing an ethnic group to be exterminated.
If they truly cared about resolving the issue with the Kurds (rather than exterminating them militarily) they'd crush ISIS near Kobani, gain the support of the Kurds within Turkey (a separate political entity), and work on reconciliation as the Iraqis and Iranians have done.
Until then, it's kind of a joke that Turkey wants in the EU.
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10-09-2014 12:27 AM
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What you have to remember is that IS is a complete patriarchy. This means they are cunning, completely ruthless and settle on decisions quickly. Our leadership is no match for theirs.
(10-09-2014 01:02 AM)Sonsowey Wrote: How long until Isis conquers Germany?
Never. Maybe I am in the minority in the manosphere/reactosphere, but I don't actually think Islam is going to win in the West. It will cause problems, and it may cause a rise in neo-fascism and totalitarianism in Europe that may make Europe an unpleasant place to live, even for its natives, but it won't win. Here's why.
Europeans are really, really good at making war. They're really, really good at innovation, especially military technology, as well as organising all of society towards the project of war itself. I don't subscribe to a blank state view of human nature. At best, culture can keep something of a lid on genetics, but remove the constraints of those cultural conditions (i.e. the present level of prosperity and order), and genes come roaring back in a big way. Those genes that led Europeans to kick the crap out of each other and the world very successfully for 500+ years still exist, and Germany has always been Ground Zero of this, right back into antiquity, through the 30 Years' War, and up to the obvious examples of WW1 and WW2.
Every so often, you hear a story of a supposedly tame lion or tiger, or maybe an orca, going ape shit on its handler for no apparent reason at all. That's because they're wild animals. Europeans are like lions, tigers and orcas. It's all playtime for now, but when Europeans make war again -- as they will -- those on the receiving end of it will wish they'd never pushed their luck to begin with.
(10-08-2014 08:39 PM)lefonque Wrote: Hmm i guess my writings are not visible to you , i think this is because you are an erdogan supporter and like him you need a prompter to talk maybe ?
I am not going to disturb you anymore so you may stay calm .
My humble advice to you is ;
Take a look at what happened in egypt , and see what a muslim brother has done to his country right after he was forced to go out .
Have a good one
No, I'm not an ''erdogan supporter''. Believe it or not, Turks are not divided into for-erdogan's and pro-erdogan's. And you are really delusional and prove to know nothing about the history and politics if you think Erdogan is gonna end up fleeing from Turkey. And I'm saying this as someone who protested against him in June 2013 protests. Your Egypt comparison is just dumb and bigoted to say the least. In order for a leader to be exiled/imprisoned/executed by its own people, you need to have a combination of factors: collapsed economy, loss of support from the majority of people and a totalitarian attitude to stay in power by any means necessary, like ruling the country with an iron fist. In Erdogan's case, his popularity keeps getting increased with every election (currently it's +50%), the Turkish economy is stronger than ever and despite his increasingly authoritarian attitude he's still a very legitimate leader. On top of that, he completely crippled the powerful military command in the last years and pushed them into submission in order to eliminate the risk of a military coup against his conservative regime. If you want to compare Erdogan to someone, compare him to Putin. They are following similar strategies in terms of controlling the media, justice system, the oligarchs and the masses with propaganda, corruption, religion and patriotism. I will believe Erdogan will have a tragic fall the day Putin gets locked up.
(10-09-2014 01:02 AM)Sonsowey Wrote: How long until Isis conquers Germany?
They won't, although 2-3 years ago my opinion would have been different.
For every 1 Salafist in Germany causing problems, there are 100 native Germans biting their tongues and just waiting for the moment they can speak freely and take action. The pop bottle has been shaken for years and it'll explode the second ISIS or another group launches an attack within its borders. The East Germans (who emerged unscathed by Allied brainwashing post-war) in cities like Dresden will be at the forefront of this.
In terms of monitoring potential terrorists and preventing attacks, the core domestic espionage infrastructure within Germany has remained intact (and even evolved) since the days of the Gestapo and Stasi. While I have little faith in the Bundeswehr or it's ability/willpower to take decisive military action, their area of expertise is domestic espionage and they do it damn well.
Make no mistake, Turks are the problem in Germany. Persians and other Shiites are peaceful and more ambitious in pursuing an education and integrating, while the Turks make an active effort NOT to integrate (the Turkish government telling them not to doesn't help the situation either). They are incredibly two-faced, filling up clubs and bars, smoking and drinking, but the second a German or white foreigner lays eyes on a Turkish girl, you can expect 16 of her brothers and uncles knocking on your door the next day.
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(10-08-2014 05:20 PM)turkishcandy Wrote: You do realize Turkish is in an unofficial war with the Kurdish separatists don't you? What incentive is there for Turkey to aid the Kurds outside of its borders? You sound like Turkey is morally obligated to restore balance in Syria like some kind of a Middle East Police. How misguided are you? The Kurds have been burning hospitals, schools, public property, goverment buildings, raiding stores, cars and houses in several Turkish cities for the last few days and 22 people are dead so far. Curfew was declared in 6 Turkish cities. There are tanks rolling in the street of major cities right now, including Istanbul. This is nothing less than a small scale war, and Kobani is where the Kurds recruit members for their terrorist organization PKK. And Turkey is supposed to help them because Kurdish civilians are being killed? This is a conflict between Kurds and Radical Islamists and it's got nothing to do with Turkey. Furthermore, the majority of Turkish citizens are so fed up with the Kurds that they don't feel any symphaty with the Kurds being killed in Kobani, they even hope that ISIS wipes them all out.
You think Kurds terrorizing Europe and Turkey to protest the events in Syria is justified? ''Let's vandalize in Hamburg and Istanbul because ISIS is attacking Kobani'' what hamsterish mentality is this and you think it is ''justified''.
One of these protests was 2 subway stops from me. The Kurds were approached by 400 Salafists and attacked with machetes and metal bars, with bloody rags filling the street.
Turkey does have a moral obligation to act as a NATO member, and should another one be attacked, they'll have a legal obligation. They need to get with the team or get the hell out and stop enjoying the benefits of NATO membership while doing next to nothing in return. The YPG is not the PKK. Nearly all ISIS fighters travel through Turkey to the battlefield, and arms and supplies travel by rail through Turkey to ISIS. A Turkish soldier was recently hit by a stray bullet, and mortars have fallen on Turkish land. Short of supporting them ideologically, is there any reason everyone else in NATO is bombing ISIS while Turkey gets a free pass to collaborate and look the other way? As if one legitimate case of genocide in the past century wasn't enough from them, now they're willingly allowing an ethnic group to be exterminated.
If they truly cared about resolving the issue with the Kurds (rather than exterminating them militarily) they'd crush ISIS near Kobani, gain the support of the Kurds within Turkey (a separate political entity), and work on reconciliation as the Iraqis and Iranians have done.
Until then, it's kind of a joke that Turkey wants in the EU.
Okay, okay, we get it, you're Kurdish and angry. Stop with the butthurt commentary. Seriously though, I would bet a 1000 Euros that you're not 100% of German origin. The Germans hate Kurds as much as they hate Turks, most of them don't even know the difference. So the innocent Kurdish mob was viciously attacked by the evil ISIS huh? What were they doing there, going to a football match? Your tone is so one-sided that I'm compelled to call you out.
Turkey has always been one of the most important allies of the U.S. U.S depends on İncirlik Air Base for most of their operations in the Middle East. The Cuban Missile Crisis started with the placement of American nuclear missiles in Turkey and ended with their removal. There is a lot of financial support at stake for Turkey here. If the U.S wanted Turkey to start a ground attack in Syria, Turkey would have done it instantly, but U.S mostly wants Turkey to help them with the logistics and stay away from the rest. The last time Turkey launched a ground attack on Syria, U.S intervened and told Turkey to withdraw, and withdraw they did. But this time Turkey's political interests don't align with the U.S' as the Kurds in this region have been terrorizing Turkey and making demands for the last few decades. There is no ''resolving the issue'' with the Kurds for they want sovereignty in the Eastern Turkey and this will result in the separation of Turkey and the birth of a Kurdish state. Now expecting Turkey to side with the Kurds and let Turkish soldiers die for fighting the enemy of their enemy that hasn't touched Turkey yet is a common dumb Kurdish entitlement mentality these days, you only added Turkey's NATO membership into it. NATO membership doesn't require aiding your enemy.
You are dropping extreme terms like ''reconciliation'' with and ''extermination'' of Kurds, buddy you either don't know what the hell you're talking about or you're doing Kurdish propaganda here. Either way, tone it down a little, it's too obvious. Nobody is trying to exterminate anyone, there is a party who is trying to gain sovereignty by both legitimate and illegitimate ways (PKK), and another party (TR government) who is trying to find a fine midpoint between complying and rejecting. ''Reconciliation'' with the Kurds would mean accepting their political demands and this is against the unity of Turkey. However ''extermination'' was used as a fighting strategy against the armed part of the Kurdish movement (a.k.a PKK) but it failed and resulted in 13000 deaths from the Turkish side. Now a lot of negotiations have been going on between the Kurdish leaders and Erdogan and this is an arm-twisting game that has been going on for decades. It's not a simple case of making up with the Kurds or killing them all. Failing to ''care about resolving the issue with Kurds'' is what a 7 year-old would say about this problem, it's not a matter of carelessnes, it's a matter of contradicting interests.
There are ISIS supporters in Turkey as there are obviously ISIS supporters in Germany. That doesn't mean ISIS is in Germany or in Turkey. Europe won't suddenly have ISIS on its borders if Turkey gets in EU. Turkish borders are much better protected than Europe's borders simply because Turkey has to be armed and cautious. The tanks are in the border right now, and they are aimed at Kobani. No one gets in and out without a visa and that is Turkey's part in NATO membership, and no one is gonna ''get the hell out''. Turkey is the last country to benefit NATO like a parasite. And not every NATO member is bombing ISIS as you said, so far it's only the U.S. Get your facts straight.
10-09-2014 03:28 AM
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(10-08-2014 05:20 PM)turkishcandy Wrote: You do realize Turkish is in an unofficial war with the Kurdish separatists don't you? What incentive is there for Turkey to aid the Kurds outside of its borders? You sound like Turkey is morally obligated to restore balance in Syria like some kind of a Middle East Police. How misguided are you? The Kurds have been burning hospitals, schools, public property, goverment buildings, raiding stores, cars and houses in several Turkish cities for the last few days and 22 people are dead so far. Curfew was declared in 6 Turkish cities. There are tanks rolling in the street of major cities right now, including Istanbul. This is nothing less than a small scale war, and Kobani is where the Kurds recruit members for their terrorist organization PKK. And Turkey is supposed to help them because Kurdish civilians are being killed? This is a conflict between Kurds and Radical Islamists and it's got nothing to do with Turkey. Furthermore, the majority of Turkish citizens are so fed up with the Kurds that they don't feel any symphaty with the Kurds being killed in Kobani, they even hope that ISIS wipes them all out.
You think Kurds terrorizing Europe and Turkey to protest the events in Syria is justified? ''Let's vandalize in Hamburg and Istanbul because ISIS is attacking Kobani'' what hamsterish mentality is this and you think it is ''justified''.
One of these protests was 2 subway stops from me. The Kurds were approached by 400 Salafists and attacked with machetes and metal bars, with bloody rags filling the street.
Turkey does have a moral obligation to act as a NATO member, and should another one be attacked, they'll have a legal obligation. They need to get with the team or get the hell out and stop enjoying the benefits of NATO membership while doing next to nothing in return. The YPG is not the PKK. Nearly all ISIS fighters travel through Turkey to the battlefield, and arms and supplies travel by rail through Turkey to ISIS. A Turkish soldier was recently hit by a stray bullet, and mortars have fallen on Turkish land. Short of supporting them ideologically, is there any reason everyone else in NATO is bombing ISIS while Turkey gets a free pass to collaborate and look the other way? As if one legitimate case of genocide in the past century wasn't enough from them, now they're willingly allowing an ethnic group to be exterminated.
If they truly cared about resolving the issue with the Kurds (rather than exterminating them militarily) they'd crush ISIS near Kobani, gain the support of the Kurds within Turkey (a separate political entity), and work on reconciliation as the Iraqis and Iranians have done.
Until then, it's kind of a joke that Turkey wants in the EU.
Dont be sure about ypg and pkk .Do you know how many syrian terrorists who was fighting for pkk had been eleminated ? Around 5000 .
and do not underestimate hatred to pkk in Turkey .
Atleast i know that Germany is the first and the highest barrier between Turkey and the Eu and its not something which came up with Frau Merkell .
We were dreaming for eu but we are in the middle of a mid east shit hole at the moment because there is some falafel sandwich experts who doesnt speak arabic and never been to mid east are making politics , assisting politics and journos and tvs belong to erdogans allies bsing non stop .. There is no freedom of press , most press and tv channells belong to his extended family or a group who is his ally .
There is leaked tapes of him calling newspaper owners/tv managers , cursing 80 years old business schmucks himself .
10-09-2014 04:05 AM
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On the other you have got a religiously fanatical evil Patriarchal oppressors. Which ISIS represents. Both the worse nightmares of feminists and the anti-feminists made manifest.
Methinks both groups are bad but ISIS is worse.
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10-09-2014 04:17 AM
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On the other you have got a religiously fanatical evil Patriarchal oppressors. Which ISIS represents. Both the worse nightmares of feminists and the anti-feminists made manifest.
Methinks both groups are bad but ISIS is worse.
Yeah I've seen these videos and several others along with articles.
More of the "you go girl" attitude is just what we need. *sarcasm*
On the flip side; I can give these women a lot of respect since they actually are fighting. This unlike women over here in America who talk about women being every bit as capable as a man but wouldn't step up to fight themselves if shit were to hit the fan.
But then again, some of these Kurdish folks have engaged in terrorist activities; thievery, suicide bombings, etc.
The feminist bullshit is annoying though. Everyone suffers in war but they seem to give most of the attention towards the raped women. It's a human issue not a gender issue.
(This post was last modified: 10-09-2014 04:30 AM by Old Fritz.)
There should be some military personal here or maybe an ex , so their opinion would be better .
I just want to remind the facts about our borders .
It has always been like a swiss cheese , if thats the right word .
There were terorist,smugglers and avarage joes who are going back and forth over years.
You may protect your borders with tanks as if you are living in a country with no mountains . Unfortunatly we have more than 1500 km border with syria,iraq and iran and almost half of the border is in mountainous regions.
On the other you have got a religiously fanatical evil Patriarchal oppressors. Which ISIS represents. Both the worse nightmares of feminists and the anti-feminists made manifest.
Methinks both groups are bad but ISIS is worse.
Yeah I've seen these videos and several others along with articles.
More of the "you go girl" attitude is just what we need. *sarcasm*
On the flip side; I can give these women a lot of respect since they actually are fighting. This unlike women over here in America who talk about women being every bit as capable as a man but wouldn't step up to fight themselves if shit were to hit the fan.
But then again, some of these Kurdish folks have engaged in terrorist activities; thievery, suicide bombings, etc.
The feminist bullshit is annoying though. Everyone suffers in war but they seem to give most of the attention towards the raped women. It's a human issue not a gender issue.
''This unlike women over here in America who talk about women being every bit as capable as a man but wouldn't step up to fight themselves if shit were to hit the fan.''
If only their opinions were irrelevant.
They got my grudging respect for bleeding for their cause.I still dislike them though. I really hate ball-busting bitches like that.
10-09-2014 04:36 AM
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(10-09-2014 03:07 AM)Old Fritz Wrote: How do you personally feel about Erdogan now?
Depends on how you look at him. Turkish economy has flourished due to his controversial financial policies. Controversial because they depend on privatization, construction and service industries whereas it lacks investment in manifacture and agriculture. Also he has no environmental concerns. The result is an expanding yet unstable economy and that is good for the result-oriented people, but for means-oriented people he's driving Turkey to a financial collapse.
I feel he's a better solution than any coalition government and there is no alternative single-party government to him, so he's the best option that Turkey's got right now, but that's not a compliment to him at all. He is what he is simply due to the weak and corrupted opposition parties. So those who only care about money vote for him and apparently the majority of Turks care more about money. They don't wanna go back to the famine days.
However, he's a big threat to the secular regime in Turkey and everybody knows that. He's very radical about religion and ethnicity. He uses polarization of the people as a means to increase his support. So far he has single-handedly destroyed the freedom of press, of speech, of courts, of education system, of access to internet in Turkey and so on. And he's highly involved in corruption, but come to think of it, which leader isn't? So those who are less concerned about money and more concerned about freedom oppose him and vote against him.
10-09-2014 04:43 AM
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(10-08-2014 05:20 PM)turkishcandy Wrote: You do realize Turkish is in an unofficial war with the Kurdish separatists don't you? What incentive is there for Turkey to aid the Kurds outside of its borders? You sound like Turkey is morally obligated to restore balance in Syria like some kind of a Middle East Police. How misguided are you? The Kurds have been burning hospitals, schools, public property, goverment buildings, raiding stores, cars and houses in several Turkish cities for the last few days and 22 people are dead so far. Curfew was declared in 6 Turkish cities. There are tanks rolling in the street of major cities right now, including Istanbul. This is nothing less than a small scale war, and Kobani is where the Kurds recruit members for their terrorist organization PKK. And Turkey is supposed to help them because Kurdish civilians are being killed? This is a conflict between Kurds and Radical Islamists and it's got nothing to do with Turkey. Furthermore, the majority of Turkish citizens are so fed up with the Kurds that they don't feel any symphaty with the Kurds being killed in Kobani, they even hope that ISIS wipes them all out.
You think Kurds terrorizing Europe and Turkey to protest the events in Syria is justified? ''Let's vandalize in Hamburg and Istanbul because ISIS is attacking Kobani'' what hamsterish mentality is this and you think it is ''justified''.
One of these protests was 2 subway stops from me. The Kurds were approached by 400 Salafists and attacked with machetes and metal bars, with bloody rags filling the street.
Turkey does have a moral obligation to act as a NATO member, and should another one be attacked, they'll have a legal obligation. They need to get with the team or get the hell out and stop enjoying the benefits of NATO membership while doing next to nothing in return. The YPG is not the PKK. Nearly all ISIS fighters travel through Turkey to the battlefield, and arms and supplies travel by rail through Turkey to ISIS. A Turkish soldier was recently hit by a stray bullet, and mortars have fallen on Turkish land. Short of supporting them ideologically, is there any reason everyone else in NATO is bombing ISIS while Turkey gets a free pass to collaborate and look the other way? As if one legitimate case of genocide in the past century wasn't enough from them, now they're willingly allowing an ethnic group to be exterminated.
If they truly cared about resolving the issue with the Kurds (rather than exterminating them militarily) they'd crush ISIS near Kobani, gain the support of the Kurds within Turkey (a separate political entity), and work on reconciliation as the Iraqis and Iranians have done.
Until then, it's kind of a joke that Turkey wants in the EU.
Turkey is never joining the EU. Not sure if it ever was really all that likely, but that ship has sailed with Erdogan in power and Turkey becoming more authoritarian and Islamist.
"Okay, okay, we get it, you're Kurdish and angry. Stop with the butthurt commentary."
- American and living in the EU, observing Turkish behavior here for what it really is. Perhaps I'm biased because they cause so much trouble in Germany, though. The Kurds stood by us time and time again, and they're fighting the enemy like men, outnumbered and outgunned. Served alongside many Kurds when I was in the military, they earned my respect and so I support them and the idea of a free Kurdistan.
"Your tone is so one-sided that I'm compelled to call you out."
- See above.
"buddy you either don't know what the hell you're talking about or you're doing Kurdish propaganda here"
- I've been to Iraqi Kurdistan and worked with them, helping to train and integrate Peshmerga units into the ING. Again, see above.
"Failing to ''care about resolving the issue with Kurds'' is what a 7 year-old would say about this problem."
- Do you think relations with the Kurds will improve given the situation? If anything, Turkey's reluctance to act will only further escalate tension and make a peaceful resolution that much more difficult. This is a golden opportunity for Turkey to regain trust with those people and prevent violence from happening again. I'm not defending the PKK, as they're a legitimate terrorist organization, but reconciliation from both parties is the only way forward, or this will remain a bloodbath for another 200 years.
"Turkey is the last country to benefit NATO like a parasite. And not every NATO member is bombing ISIS as you said, so far it's only the U.S. Get your facts straight. "
- Canada, the UK, France, the Netherlands, Australia, even the UAE and Saudis are actively engaged. Turkey is not, even with authorization recently passed. They have the second largest army in NATO, only after the US. They are also a Sunni majority country, which gives them a far greater deal of legitimacy in handling religious extremism within their sect.
I understand you're Turkish and have a different view than I do but no need for the condescending remarks here, it's been a very civil discussion and should remain so.
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Quote:ISIS is scared of PKK women - oh wait': Shocking tweet showing beheaded Kurdish FEMALE fighter was sent by British medical student suspected of London terror plot
A British medical student suspected of plotting to bring murder to London's streets ridiculed a Kurdish female soldier beheaded by Islamic State.
Tarik Hassane, 21, known to friends as ‘The Surgeon’, is in custody after he was held along with three others in their twenties in a series of raids by police and MI5 on Tuesday.
The medical student, who was studying in Khartoum, Sudan, until he returned to Britain last weekend, was prolific on social media with a keen interest in the conflict in Syria and Iraq.
Two days before his arrest he re-tweeted a picture of a beheaded female Kurdish soldier displayed as a trophy by a militant with the message: '#IS is scared of #PKK women - oh wait'.
But after the beheading of Alan Henning he said he did not support his murder because he was innocent.
Quote:It shows a smiling, gleeful ISIS fighter holding the severed head of a Syrian Kurdish woman. The Shia Post says she was fighting for her family and was, “Beheaded by takfiri terrorist of ISIS in Kobani. According to reports, takfiri killer who shared his photo with head of a YPG’s fighter has been sent to hell by YPG.
10-09-2014 07:43 AM
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A free Kurdistan, I would also like for that to happen, believe it or not. But getting there will cost Turkey a lot. And I'm not only talking about territory. You can't start a new state tomorrow morning, there has to be a transition process. There will first be an autonomous Kurdistan living on tax-paying Turkish people. Only when they have sucked out enough money, goods and province for many years that they will declare their total independence. And Turks are being bullied into entering this transition process at gunpoint, that's why I'm against free Kurdistan. If the Kurdish region wanted to completely seperate tomorrow morning, I would support it. But trust me, no Kurdish wants that. They know a free Kurdistan in near future is destined to collapse economically, socially and politicaly. They barely make it through now with the help of aid and taxes from Western Turkey. For example, if you want to be a doctor, a teacher, a prosecutor or a judge in Turkey, you are obligated to start your career in the Kurdish region and and work there for a few years because the Kurds don't have these professions and no Turkish doctor/judge goes there voluntarily. That's how much Kurds depend on Turks. Yet they kill and kidnap those teachers who go there to serve.
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