Post: #51

I have given some advice how to tell apart slavic chicks from German ones but unfortunately in Germany there is a big problem:
1.Low sun light
2.Deliberately low artificial light.
The Germans simply do not want you to be able to see far.(they have private reasons for that).This creates considerable obstructions to slavic women recognition.
However if you are really practised you may manage that.
Here are my general guidelines:

1.Earrings:If a girl does not wear earrings she is not slavic.You should always check their ears first.German women at more than 50% do not wear earrings because they think their ears are sexy.
2.Heels.If a girl wears high heels the possibility that she is slavic rises up astronomically.German women largely(more than 80%) prefer sneakers to be able to walk comfortably.
3.Tight clothes.If a girl wears tight clothes,high heels,eaarings and is relatively tall there is high possibility of slavic origin.Slavic women like displaying their(often not adequate) butts German women hate it(because they insult fatter women if they have good asses,or they have no ass themselves).
4.Horny inviting attitude.It is the general vibe.I get it immediately when I meet slavic women in Gemrany because they give you the green light with their eyes.
5.Slavic high cheeks and sensitive eyes.German women have very square men like decisive jaws and calculating eys.Also bass voices.It is very easy to recognize them.Slavic women have weak,sensitive eyes,round jaws and high cheeks.If you combine all of the aboves,high cheeks,high heels,round jaws,earrings,inviting body language(they bend their bodies) you can easily get which girl is slavic in Germany.
In Greece it is very easy because there is plenty of sun and nothing can be hidden under the sun but Germans prefer mystery(dreaming land).

Post: #52

^^^ nice info.

I'm Slavic myself (Serbian by origin, came over to Canada when I was really young) so I think I'm set for recognizing Slavic chicks.
When you would spend time gaming at the Hauptbahnhof how did you go about it? Go for chicks on the train platforms, getting coffee nearby...? I just want to figure out the how.

Post: #53

(09-22-2014 05:14 PM)rytech Wrote:  ^^^ nice info.

I'm Slavic myself (Serbian by origin, came over to Canada when I was really young) so I think I'm set for recognizing Slavic chicks.
When you would spend time gaming at the Hauptbahnhof how did you go about it? Go for chicks on the train platforms, getting coffee nearby...? I just want to figure out the how.

All places in Hauptbahnhof are good whether they are Mc Donalds,Starbucks,train platforms,U-bahn,Straßenbahn.You have only to check if ticket controllers come to Ubahn and Straßenbahn platforms because sometimes they check for tickets there.
Personally I just took a place near the Hauptbahnhof entrance to spot all the talent coming in and then I followed the leads.Sometimes you may lose a girl for the most unexpected reasons,a train that came one minute earlier or a phone that rang when you were ready to make the approach but it is part of the game.Success has to do with luck and speed.
For me as a Greek that many of these girls were alone vulnerable and not protected by guys was like heaven.
(German girls in general try to always have company around them if not they create artificial company in facebook in mobile phone.They want to be secured all the time.
Not an easy task if you are Balkan yourself if you know what I mean).

Now that I am older I cannot stand the crowd in Hauptbahnhof more than 30 minutes while when I was 30 years old I could hunt for hours.

Post: #54

(09-22-2014 05:28 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  Now that I am older I cannot stand the crowd in Hauptbahnhof more than 30 minutes while when I was 30 years old I could hunt for hours.

How old are you now, Greek?

Post: #55

Surely this time of year you need to be in Munchen not Hamburg!!

Post: #56

How is tinder there? Are u trying it?

Post: #57

There's alot of very good looking girls on tinder in germany, but i myself got nowhere with the app.
even if you get a match, more than often the girls just don't reply or just start to ignore you in the middle of the conversation, since they might've found something better or they were just bored at the time they replied to you.
there's just too much time investment until you get something, and some german girls will need some time and comfort to be ready to meet up with you. And even then you've always to incalculate that alot will flake.

Also I don't know if this is usual in other countries, but here alot of them have stuff like "No, I don't want any ONS" or "I'm not looking for sex, one night stands or friends with benefits!!!" in their description.
Some also write their height into the description, so that they don't get guys shorter than them.
The girls here have a height fetish, that's why I'm really wondering why rytech is doing so bad here, even though in terms of approaching he's already ahead of 95% of german males.
Maybe they're feeling his slavic vibe

But eh, I gotta be honest, it's not like I'm doing so much better here

But who knows, maybe some of you guys do better with tinder here?
I'm just sharing my a bit pessimistic view.
As always, it's a numbers game.

Post: #58

(09-23-2014 03:01 AM)Garzero Wrote:  

(09-22-2014 05:28 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  Now that I am older I cannot stand the crowd in Hauptbahnhof more than 30 minutes while when I was 30 years old I could hunt for hours.

How old are you now, Greek?

Close to 40 now but still in game.Most guys my age have already resigned because the situation is harsh for them not a high way avenue anymore so they have compromised.

Post: #59

(09-23-2014 06:02 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

(09-23-2014 03:01 AM)Garzero Wrote:  How old are you now, Greek?

Close to 40 now but still in game.Most guys my age have already resigned because the situation is harsh for them not a high way avenue anymore so they have compromised.

Good, same than me. Though my target is still 20-24 yo. I banged a few, just in the last year.

Btw I'm in Brno now. I notice there's more a social-circle attitude here at night, comparing to Ostrava where you see rather pairs or groups of girls going out obviously chasing dicks. I think this depends much by the huge university life here, where people tend to gather in mixed groups and stick with their friends.
For a guy rolling solo like me can be a disadvantage as you may fail to develop that "let's party" vibe most of these people have in bars and clubs, while in an industrail city like Ostrava the vibe was more like: "let's do something sexual after this long week of work".
You said something about Brno girls behaviour... what did you exactly mean?

Post: #60

Have you "modified" your bed.. so you have a bigger one?

Post: #61

(09-24-2014 02:30 AM)Garzero Wrote:  

(09-23-2014 06:02 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

(09-23-2014 03:01 AM)Garzero Wrote:  How old are you now, Greek?

Close to 40 now but still in game.Most guys my age have already resigned because the situation is harsh for them not a high way avenue anymore so they have compromised.

Good, same than me. Though my target is still 20-24 yo. I banged a few, just in the last year.

Btw I'm in Brno now. I notice there's more a social-circle attitude here at night, comparing to Ostrava where you see rather pairs or groups of girls going out obviously chasing dicks. I think this depends much by the huge university life here, where people tend to gather in mixed groups and stick with their friends.
For a guy rolling solo like me can be a disadvantage as you may fail to develop that "let's party" vibe most of these people have in bars and clubs, while in an industrail city like Ostrava the vibe was more like: "let's do something sexual after this long week of work".
You said something about Brno girls behaviour... what did you exactly mean?

What do you mean?The whole of Morava is difficult once you cross 35.There is not much difference between northern Morava(Ostrava),southern Morava(Brno) and middle(Olomouc).
There are some small differences apparent when you hit the smaller towns in the area.Ostrava is the region of CR mostly close to Poland and some women in the region have mentality close to down Silesian ones.Again these differences make sense only if you are seasoned in CR and from Czech point of view.
To put it otherwise the only region where a polish guy can fuck easily in CR is Moravskolevsky.
On the other hand a Czech guy can clean up in Katowic.
ALthough both do not try that since they can always dip their swords into the local women.Their women on the other hand try this variety.But so are Cesky and Polki.Always curious for the greener penis.

Post: #62

DAY 34 - 24/09/2014

The weather was fairly good today so I decided to stay with the Rathausmarkt/Jungfernstieg area for daygame. Once it starts to rain consistently from day to day (and it will, soon enough) I'll probably end up going to the Hauptbahnhof like GK suggested. Cause he's absolutely right - the potential for approaching in a place like that is huge.

Managed to pull two numbers from yesterday's daygame sesh. One was a half-German, half-Korean 7.5 redhead student (I guessed Czech.) It was my second approach of the session, and to be honest I think it was one of the more well-executed approaches that I've managed to pull off in my time day-gaming - opened well, rambled, managed to get the hook on the bait, went through GALNUC (or my revised version of it) fairly well, and got the number smoothly. Pretty textbook, in my view.

Second number was another student, 19, with long brown hair. She offered to walk me to the Apple Store as soon as I asked where it was, so I had to seed the coffee-instadate in a pretty fast time frame of about a minute or so (she went for it.) We went to a Starbucks nearby and I managed to find a bench outside for us to sit on. Kept talking and I was gradually upping the kino (legs resting against each other, light arm/leg touches, etc.) and she seemed to be into it. Decided on a whim to ask if she was single/had a boyfriend - she didn't, and she was wanting to meet up again over drinks. So I can say intentions are pretty clear in this case.

Afterwards I went to my language class, then went to meet up with my D26 girl. Had fun banging her out again - it wasn't great, but the sex was better than last time. Figure that if it gets better I'll keep her around.

I'm having drinks with my D19 insta-date tomorrow at 9pm. If you'll remember I asked if she was single (she was), but she said she wasn't looking since she was leaving soon. I'm going to scope out a good bar (with couch/lounge seating) and listen to the recording of Tom Torero's first-date lay that I know is laying around somewhere on the forum - his date game sounds really tight, and I could definitely use it to help me out in this instance.

@Sourcecode - yup the bed's been modified. Had to take some effort though - but its a lot nicer now haha.

Tinder has been a complete bust for me. Been auto-swiping right and gotten only three matches so far - two of which were busted chicks and one bot. I admit my picture could probably be better, but damn. Back in Canada my pics would still get me matched with good-looking chicks.

As always, any questions, comments, queries, etc. are welcome.

Post: #63

DAY 35 – 24/09/2014

Today was pretty chill – didn’t do anything in the way of approaching or whatnot. Was getting ready for my Berlin trip tomorrow so that took up most of my time. I did meet my D19 insta-date girl for drinks later in the night (roughly 9pm.) downtown near the Binnenalster. Long story short, she was leaving to go back home that weekend (she was from Paderborn and was working in Hamburg for the summer on an internship) so she felt that though it was nice to hang out together over drinks, she wasn’t ultimately interested in pursuing anything.

We started with some light catch-up chat for about the first 5-10 minutes, which ended up segueing into an extended conversation on travel and dating culture here in Germany – or, at least, the differences in dating culture between Germany and Canada. I figured I could use the dating culture topic to keep the frame semi-sexual and use the travel topic to build comfort. I think I did fairly OK in that department though I probably could have used more comfort in the conversation. She mentioned how some guys in Germany got really touchy when they were drunk and wheeling girls, and how that was a turn-off for her, so I tried to keep the kino light – no more than just incidental touches of arm/shoulder when making a point, etc. We were sitting beside each other at the bar rather than across a table, thankfully – I had tried to scope out a sofa/couch for us to sit at earlier but when I came back with her it had already been reserved. Still, I managed to at least get the side-by-side seating.

After finishing our drinks we left and went to sit and watch the Alsterfountain – I was walking with her arm-in-arm at this point, but not holding hands – she had said on our insta-date that she was “too conservative” for that. What ended up happening was that she had to leave soon after we were there, and I could tell there wasn’t any prospect of her inviting me back to her place. I went for the kiss knowing I’d get faceturned, and I did. At the very least, I had set enough of a sexual frame earlier that it wasn’t surprising that I did go for it, thankfully.

So that was that. As a prospect for a first-date lay, it was a bust. But as a chance to scope out date logistics in the downtown area of Hamburg, try a new type of cocktail (my first time drinking a caipirinha), and spend some time with an attractive girl practising my date game material, it went pretty good. I figure the work and effort invested here should help me on any future dates I can setup here in Hamburg.

I’ll be writing my next post on the RVF meetup when I get back from Berlin on Sunday – I’ll write it as a two-part post covering the entire weekend.

As always, any comments, questions, queries are welcome.

Post: #64

(09-26-2014 10:32 AM)rytech Wrote:  DAY 35 – 24/09/2014


After finishing our drinks we left and went to sit and watch the Alsterfountain – I was walking with her arm-in-arm at this point, but not holding hands – she had said on our insta-date that she was “too conservative” for that. What ended up happening was that she had to leave soon after we were there, and I could tell there wasn’t any prospect of her inviting me back to her place. I went for the kiss knowing I’d get faceturned, and I did. At the very least, I had set enough of a sexual frame earlier that it wasn’t surprising that I did go for it, thankfully.

If I had been in the same situation, I would have gone for the kiss way earlier, and not light touching but more intense. She might have said a lot of things about she doesn't like this and that, but the truth is that:
1- you can build attraction and trigger emotions in a girl simply by being firmly sexual and showing exactly what you want, in the sense of not being afraid of trying to kiss her even if it's not the "perfect moment"; and if she turns face, trying again 5 minutes later. As long as she doesn't walk away, you are doing well. That's why I've always found that kissing at the end of the date is bad strategy.
2a- She said she doesn't like drunk german guys touching her ecc. ecc. And so what? Were you a drunk guy trying to touch her ass? Why did you let this silly thing that came out of her mouth stop you?
2b- according to one of the undeniable pua rules (if I don't go wrong is one of Roissy's), if she talks, in ANY WAY (e.g. even if she talks about coupling animals) about sex, she is thinking about having sex with you.
So I think the translation of what she said is: "I really would like that you touch me if you do it with the proper form"

Post: #65

BERLIN WEEKEND TRIP REPORT – RVF MEETUP

DAY 36 – 25/09/2014

Bus trip from Hamburg to Berlin took roughly two and a half hours, so it wasn't too bad at all. Texted both Shikulu and LostAwake to arrange a meet-up – Shikulu calls me back at around 1600, saying that he and a friend are going to a club and that the two of us (LostAwake and myself) are free to join. Shortly afterwards I got a text from LostAwake saying that his plane had landed and he was on the way to his apartment. I get off the bus and walk to the destination of the apartment that I rented for the weekend – it's in the Friedrichshain district, near Frankfurter Tor U-Bahn station. Check in and set my stuff down and start coordinating with the other two guys on when/where to meet up. We ultimately decide that I will meet with Shikulu at 1930 and go drink with his friend, then go to the club where LostAwake will join us later at around midnight.

We go and grab a bite to eat, then back to my apartment so I can change into some more dressy clothing (the club we were going to, the Pearl, is apparently pretty posh), all the while talking about game and tips for German girls and about his travels (he's already sold me on going to Poland – if I can swing it, haha.) We drive over to his friend's place to grab a drink prior to heading to the club, but there's a problem. Three people, but only two seats in his convertible. I offer to go in the trunk (something I've done a few times before for house parties back home) and they both laugh and think I'm crazy, but they go for it.

We head over and hit the club at roughly 2330 – still not much of a crowd but the talent already there looked pretty good. It started getting busier around midnight, and that's when we started approaching. The ones that stood out in my mind were the following:

- First approach was a two-set of girls that Shikulu had opened and brought over to the three of us. I leave and come back in a couple minutes and he's ejected, so I decide to see if I can get some interest out of the cuter one of the two. I chat with her for a few minutes but she's not showing any interest, so I eject.

- Second approach was a raven-haired brunette that Shikulu had his eye on earlier – I saw she was still open while he was working on a Polish 8/8.5 (he got the number) so I decide to try her. She ends up being from Bulgaria, so I spin some story about I spent a couple months in Sofia. We chatted for roughly 10 or so minutes – Shikulu saw that I was running an approach and tried to talk to the other girl for a while, but he left before I went for the isolation move – mistake on my part. I eventually decided to eject cause she wouldn't go for the isolation or give me her number.

- Third approach was another two-set that Shikulu had opened earlier – he introduces me and his friend to the two of them and the other girl (the one that's not Shikulu's target) asks me where I'm from. I slide in and start bantering with her – he ended up leaving but I kept chatting with her. Few minutes later they want to go on the dance floor, and invite me – I go with and the three of us dance together for about 10 minutes before I pull them back off for drinks. Shikulu and his friend see me and throw me thumbs-up – I txt them saying I need help isolating just I get a text from him saying they're leaving. I ended up getting both their numbers thinking I might run into them again later in the night – I did, but just as they were leaving. I decide to run a Hail Mary on the “other girl” by asking her to meet for drinks the next day but it turns out she has a boyfriend.

- Fourth approach was the best of the night – it was a cute, visibly drunk Russian girl who basically grabbed my arm and told me “I reeeeeaaaaalllly like you” while I was getting a drink at the bar. I kino-escalate hard, and by about one minute I have both my hands on her waist and our faces are inches from each other. I go for the kiss and get face-turned - “I have a boyfriend, and I love him!” Not enough to stop you from grabbing at other guys, apparently. Try again in a few second and she face-turns again, but I got closer than last time. Chat for another minute and I hold her head in place, lock eyes with her for a few seconds, and go for it again. She goes for it – we make out for a few seconds and she snaps her head away - “I like you a lot, but I can't!” Given that this is the best prospect of my night so far, I'm not giving up that easily. We basically go for 5-7 minutes of alternating between chatting for a minute, her grabbbing me and us violently making out, and her pushing me away and saying she can't. Drunk girls be cray. What ended up happening was that she told me she was going to the washroom and starts walking away - I'm not giving up that easily, so I follow her. I stop her just outside the bathrrom door and we make out again for a good minute or so, then I grab her hand and try to walk her into the guys' washroom. She pulls her hand away and goes to the girls' just as the security guy there puts out his hand and stops me from following her. Figuring discretion is the better part of valour, I wait. She exits, we make out a bit more, then she pushes me off and goes back to her friend – they're leaving. No way I'm going to fight through the cockblock as well, so I let it go.

At this point LostAwake is at the club, and we chat for a bit – but it's about 0330, and most of the people are already leaving/left. I throw out a few more approaches that go nowhere, and we eventually decide to cab back to his place, grab a drink, and then head home. We do so, and try to find a place with some talent near his apartment – there isn't any. I decide to call it a night and walk back to mine.

So that was my night. I want to quickly give some big praise to Shikulu – definitely a guy who's the real deal. Really knowledgeable about German girls, gave me some good tips, and most importantly showed himself as an awesome role-model for me to follow in my development. +1 to you bud.

Post: #66

BERLIN WEEKEND TRIP REPORT - RVF MEETUP

DAY 37 - 26/09/2014

Most of the day was spent sightseeing around Berlin, just taking photos of the touristy places and whatnot - if I wasn't leaving the next day I would have maybe thrown down some daygame. Messaged both Shikulu and LostAwake again - Shikulu was out on a D2 with a girl he had met the night prior to my arrival, but LostAwake was still down to meet up. We decided to head back to the Pearl again because we liked the talent that was available there - even though it meant going a long ways away from our apartments in the Fredrichshain and Kreutzberg districts. (As an aside, the address of the club is Fasanenstrasse 81. I'd recommend it to anyone going though Berlin - lots of great talent. €10 cover.)

I ended up heading there at roughly 11:30pm and there were already groups of people starting to form up at the door. LostAwake hadn't arrived yet, so I decided out of sheer boredom to try getting in before the line really started to form - and got blocked. In retrospect, shoulda waited for him. Went around the corner and saw a three-set sitting at an open-patio lounge, so I open them just asking for a bar recommendation. At this point I wasn't really gaming - just trying to kill time until LostAwake showed up. They opened pretty well and we chatted for a while. I'm getting the perception that Berlin girls are friendlier than Hamburg girls, even if there's something of a talent-quality dropoff. One of them even bought me a B-52 shot - nice girl, haha.

LostAwake showed up at around 1:00am, just as I was waving goodbye to the three-set as they were going to a house party elsewhere in town. We try going back to the Pearl to see if we can get in together - the bouncer nearly rejects me again, but I manage to save it by saying that I was waiting for him to arrive on the S-Bahn and had just wanted to grab a drink from being bored. Thankfully, he went for it, and we got in together.

The first two approaches that I managed to run both hooked really well - I guess I got my taste of the "if I was only here a bit longer it could have happened" theme that seems to happen on your last day traveling anywhere. Both the girls were really cute and fun to talk to.

The first was undoubtedly a smokeshow. Long brown hair, bangin' body, green eyes - definitely an 8.5/9. I spotted her as I was grabbing my first drink with LostAwake, and after seeing how Shikulu was approaching last night, it was a completely perfect setup. She was in a three-set, but the other two girls were in some sort of animated conversation, and she was sitting off to the side, looking around the part and giving off a pretty bored vibe. I pull out my phone and post up a few steps away from her - she was actually giving me really direct eye contact. We'd glance at each other, I'd look down at my phone, and look back up - she'd be looking right at me still. Possibly the most obvious IOI's I've ever gotten gaming.

I go for the approach and she opens pretty warmly - as soon as I opened with "you look like you speak very good English", her friend sitting to her right smiled at her and sort of motioned like "see, you can talk to him now." It turns out that she's Slavic - Russian/Jewish, to be specific, and she loved that I was able to guess it correctly. We banter for a pretty long while, and I was working my arm across her waist while we talked. Turned out she was a student living in Berlin, though she came from Kaliningrad. We talked for something like 30-45 minutes until her friends wanted to go dancing, and she invited me along. Certainly not one to complain, I lead them off to the dance floor (she and I have fingers interlocked at this point.)

We both end up deep inside the crowd near where the DJ is playing, and I look back - her friends have disappeared. I'm completed isolated with her on the dance floor. Perfect. I start running standard dance-floor game - push-pull, get gradually closer each time before stepping back again. Soon enough we’re forehead to forehead and I go for the kiss. Get face-turned, but I can tell it just needs some persistence. Spin her around and she’s grinding on my crotch for a while – I slowly pull back on her hair and go for the kiss again, and I get it. We kept grinding for a few more minutes until her phone starts ringing – we step off the floor and she answers it. Apparently its her parents, and they’re outside. She tells me she has to go and is really apologetic about it – and leaves. Well fuck.

Go back to where LostAwake is chatting with a two-set and get another drink – and a cute 7 rolls up beside me with her friend. The friend is already talking with another guy, so I open her, and we chat for a long time while I’m finishing my beer. She’s bangable, but not nearly as hot as the Russian/Jewish girl – or, for that matter, some of the other girls here. I do a gut-check decision and decide to go with it. I invite her to go to the dance floor with me, and she accepts. Again, standard dance-floor game, and I knock the kiss out within a few minutes. We go back to the couches near the main bar area and alternate making out, chatting, and her resting her head on my shoulder for the next 30min or so – she’s sitting in my lap at this point. I tried seeding for bouncing to another venue but she wasn’t going for it. Eventually LostAwake came over with her friend – he apparently had ended up opening her, but the friend wanted to leave and I wasn’t about to try and invite myself along.

Knocked out a couple more approaches after she left but nothing stuck. If I were staying in Berlin long-term I definitely would have had a couple of solid prospects for a D2, but alas, I’m not. In any case, a fun weekend was had.

As always, any comments, questions, queries are welcome.

Post: #67

DAY 39 - 29/09/2014

First week of classes coming up, so I'm going to have to power down somewhat on the gaming front to focus on other things. Did a couple hours of daygame - the weather's been really good considering this is Northern Germany in October, of all times. Managed to get a number off my last approach, just as I was about to head back to my language class.

Finished up at my language class and went over to my FB's house to unload into her. The quality of the sex continues to improve, so at least I have a good base to work on for the next while. Wondering how long that will last, though. We're starting to fall into a routine where I see her on Monday nights once a week and sleep over - which keeps me at least somewhat sated while I pursue other chicks. There'll probably be less in the way of game action this week because I'll be dealing with first-week things and whatnot - but once the UoHamburg students get back I think things will be a lot more interesting.

Post: #68

I met up with a German pua-type guy recently, and from what he's told me, lots of comfort building is needed before the girls agree to come out and meet. Then he does mostly online game. So maybe that's why he talks with them on the phone for a bit.

It's something worth trying. I get numbers from daygame easily. The girls tend to be warm to the approach, and there's some nice conversation. We agree to meet up again soon, exchange numbers, and when I run standard text game and say where we should meet, I am met with no response. But then comes the issue of how do you decide if you should call and spend some time talking, when you don't know if she's a no-response or not? What I'm going to do is text "hey, it's frank, sexy motherfucker you met", and then call the minute (GLL suggests this) she responds, and ramble for a bit (my modification) before setting up a date.

One such example would be a smoking hot ~18 y/o I approached a few months ago. We walked together and talked for some good 5+ minutes, some light kino, and it was a semi-direct approach (a la Torero/Yad/daygame.com) so she knew what was up. No response to my text. I try again once more, nothing. Then I decide to call. Busy. I try again - and I'm thinking she may have blocked my number right after we exchanged numbers - and busy again. Figures - she blocked it.

So it's all very strange. I'm not sure how to go about screening for girls who are more open/available/DTF in such daygame settings. I figure I need to keep approaching, get numbers, and then see what happened differently with the girls who do respond (+ those who meet up) v/s those who never respond.

As an experiment, I chose not to number close a recent approach. I saw her looking at me a couple times when we were walking down the street. We're waiting at the lights/crossing. There's a bunch of foreign people involved in a slightly agitated conversation, and I open with that. She takes a second to think of her words, and responds. We walk together and keep talking. Very light flirting, playful pokes, and so on. We reach the point where we need to part ways. Normally, that's where I'd ask for a number, but I wanted to see what would happen if I didn't. I say goodbye, she looks at me expectantly, and then extends her hand. Shake hands, and walk off. I was thinking maybe if she was into it enough, she'd have stopped me as I was leaving. Or suggested I add her on Facebook or take her number, if not an outright meet up. It didn't happen.

I rationalized not going for the number by telling myself she'd have likely not responded, and my "experiment".

rytech - have you noticed any differences in the interactions between the "dead numbers" and the ones you went on a D2 with?

Post: #69

(10-01-2014 04:49 AM)Frank Wrote:  I met up with a German pua-type guy recently, and from what he's told me, lots of comfort building is needed before the girls agree to come out and meet. Then he does mostly online game. So maybe that's why he talks with them on the phone for a bit.

At least with my interactions here, the likelihood of getting a response is completely independent of how long the initial interaction is. I've had girls respond where the daytime approach lasted only a few minutes, and I've had girls not respond when I spent upwards of an hour on an insta-date. To be honest, every time I get a number it feels like an absolute crapshoot as to whether or not I'll get a response back - let alone a D2. I guess you just gotta play the number game and grind it out.

(10-01-2014 04:49 AM)Frank Wrote:  rytech - have you noticed any differences in the interactions between the "dead numbers" and the ones you went on a D2 with?

Sadly, the only D2 I've had so far was a girl that I was only able to FB-close, not get a number. And that girl had basically said from the start that she wasn't looking for anything and wasn't open to the idea of casually seeing me. All the numbers I've gotten so far have either been no-responds or I end up in text messaging hell trying to get her out.

Another thing you could try doing Frank - try using Whatsapp rather than text/SMS. I've had a few girls tell me anecdotally that almost everyone in Germany uses Whatsapp, and apparently a lot of people prefer it over text because texts/SMS are expensive in Germany (or something like that.) The idea of calling as soon as she texts is ... interesting, but I think that might run the risk of "scaring the cat", so to speak. Although it's not like anything else seems to be working for either of us, so let me know how it goes.

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I don't think you're doing anything wrong necessarily.
People here just don't trust strangers, even less so if they're foreign and approach them on the street.
Females are extra cautious.
But I've already heard from other guys that Hamburg chicks are tough to crack and that daygame is difficult there.
It sure must be difficult to keep the energy up if there's no outcome at all over the span of 30 days+.

You should check out to which club/s the Erasmus & foreign students in Hamburg go.
Usually they've a club where they all go to once a week, it could have alot of potential.
You also don't need to wait until the university begins, as they're surely already all there.

Post: #71

@Frank - texting and then calling a girl is weak game, shows desperation and will scare a girl off. What I like about what's app is that you can see the girls picture and verify if the number is correct.
You have now put yourself in a bad position, suppose you run into her again.
I thought Hamburg has a lot of foreign students?

Post: #72

Very interesting reading your thread, I lived in Hamburg for one summer now Bremen for 2 years. I never had a problem getting into Club du Nord and we always went as a group of guys, maybe they changed policy.

You might try badoo, I'm not sure if that is dead now but it was very common before. You should have whatsapp as 99% of people use that instead of texting.

Maybe you can find out from Uni where the Rasmus get togethers are you will probably have more in common with these students and I have met several good looking girls in hostels on a Rasmus exchange.

Another place that might be worth a go for daygame is the Hamburger Meile (big shopping mall) at the Mundsburg station, especially if it is bad weather. Germans love shopping.

Post: #73

(10-02-2014 02:09 AM)nizona Wrote:  Very interesting reading your thread, I lived in Hamburg for one summer now Bremen for 2 years. I never had a problem getting into Club du Nord and we always went as a group of guys, maybe they changed policy.

Good point - I tried to get in rolling solo the time that I went there. I have definitively concluded that solo-ing to a nightclub here in Germany is almost certainly going to get you rejected at any venue with bouncers and a line. It seems like the sweet spot is going with one other guy if you have no girls in your group - any more and you'll probably still get blocked by the bouncers.

(10-02-2014 02:09 AM)nizona Wrote:  Maybe you can find out from Uni where the Rasmus get togethers are you will probably have more in common with these students and I have met several good looking girls in hostels on a Rasmus exchange.

I'm currently following the Erasmus Hamburg page on Facebook - apparently they have monthly parties at Grüner Jäger in the Sternschanze. The next one is on Sat 18 October - stay tuned to see if I can make it in and see how it goes.

UPDATE: The German-Korean student I daygamed earlier messaged me back. She wants to meet for drinks tonight. Finally, a D2. Game on.

Post: #74

DAY 42 - 02/10/2014

Did more Jungfernstieg daygame - the weather here's been unseasonably warm so I'm using the opportunities while they last. Managed to pull two numbers in today's session - had been trying to set a personal best of three but wasn't able to.

I was daygaming until roughly 7:00pm, then spent an hour ensuring the logistical set-up for my German/Korean date at 8:00pm. We meet in front of the Apple Store on Jungfernstieg (which is how I opened her asking for directions to it) and we walk together (arm-in-arm) to the bar I've selected. It has a good setup since there are sofa outside where you can sit side-by-side to your date. We get two glasses of the house red wine and go sit outside. Pretty soon I have my arm across her waist as we're sitting and chatting together. To be honest, it was kind of painful talking to her, since she was pretty quiet the entire date - it felt like I was carrying the conversation most of the time. She was pretty receptive to my kino-ing her though, so I figured I could still have an in to escalate.

We finish our drinks and walk over to the Alsterpavillion to watch the fountain, and it's here that I go for the kiss shortly after we arrive. She doesn't head-turn ... but she didn't really reciprocate it, either. And it's here where things start getting odd. She starts getting apologetic about how she's really awkward with guys, how we've only just met, how she's been dead tired lately from working, etc. This pretty much threw me for a curveball since she had seemed really enthusiastic on meeting me earlier. She ended up saying she wanted to go home and sleep, but that she wasn't really sure she wanted to meet again (though she said she really liked me, go figure.) I tell her if she's interested she has my number. She smiles, we hug, and I get one last kiss in before she leaves.

Literally the second I turn around to walk away, my phone rings with a sound I don't recognize. I pull it out and check it - it's one of the girls whose number I got earlier today messaging me on Whatsapp. Here's how the conversation ended up going:

Girl: Lets get drunk haha
Rytech: Haha someone's having fun tonight
G: Yep
G: <sends picture of her face. She has longer blonde hair than I remember seeing on her>
G: Haha my Face Looks so weired when I drunk some

Increasingly seduced by the idea of maybe securing a Same-Day Lay, I decide to press for logistics:

R: I know that feeling haha - what's the plan for tonight
G: Going to a friend and get drunk then Going to a club and party haha
G: What are u doing tonight?
R: Probs the same thing haha - what club are you going to
G: In my city
G: Fuck im drunk come here

So I'm thinking there's some obvious interest here ...

R: Lol where are you
G: In bargteheide, ask Ur Host parents where it is haha

I run the name quickly through my Google Maps - when the result comes back I almost burst out laughing. It's outside the Greater Hamburg area - even past the rapid transit. I have no fucking clue how to get there.

R: Lol that's way on the outskirts no way - come to Hamburg haha
G: Nope, the Trains aren't really good driving between hamburg and Bargteheide
G: Like the times are bad
G: If u miss the train at 2.59 u have to stay until 5 am
R: lol then it's the same problem for me coming to see you
G: :/
G: You're a guy u can do it haha

She can't actually think I'm that thirsty.

R: lol even if I could make it up there how would we find each other
G: U come to the Club ist not that big
G: And it's the only one here everyone I know is there
G: And u
G:

No way I'm going up there unless I know for sure I can hit tonight ...

R: Lol tell me why you want me to come all the way up there to meet you
G: Cause I showed u the apple store I am so nice

Nuh-uh, not happening. Figure if she's actually interested I can meet her later on my terms.

R: Lol I can't just peace on my bros
R: If you want to meet up lets do it later this weekend
G: No time at all, maybe next werk
G: Week
R: Next week's good when are you free
G: Yeah like After the Praktikum
R: When is that
G: Around 3pm
R: What day?
G: I dont care, monday or Tuesday would be good
R: Ok I'll let you know once I figure out my schedule
G: Alright then

This entire conversation took less than a half-hour. At least I might have a new prospect for next week.

It's about 10:45pm at this point and I decide to take the train to the Sternschanze - maybe see if the place is warming up before trying out the Reeperbahn. I ended up in front of the Goldfischglas at around 11:15pm opening a girl who was standing around looking like she was waiting for someone. She hooked on the opener (if the bar was usually good on Thursdays) and she confirmed that, yes, she was waiting for a friend (a guy.) I press to see if it's her friend or her boyfriend, and she says he's just a friend - and that he's arriving in about 45 minutes. I suggest grabbing drinks together, and she accepts. She actually wasn't from Hamburg, but had moved here from Hannover, and was originally born in Poland.

She had broken up with her boyfriend two weeks earlier, and was here working in the hotel service industry. She invited me to join her and her guy friend dancing at Uebel & Gefahrlich - the nightclub at the top of the huge WWII-era flak tower in the Schanze. I don't want to commit to a prospect that I'd likely be fighting for attention, let alone with a guy, so I decide to go for the number and eject. She tells me that she works a fairly heavy schedule and doesn't want to be dealing with guys right now, so she ends up declining but was really nice about it.

At this point I was feeling pretty groggy from having two fairly large-sized glasses of wine, and I had gotten blocked at Club Hamburg (my go-to Thursday place) since I made a foolish error and tried to trick the bouncer into thinking I was with a larger group and I got called out for it. At that point I decided to call it a night and head home - rest up and plan to go hard for the weekend.

As always, any comments, questions, queries are welcome.

Post: #75

In Germany it is all being in the right city.In my city I landed a Croat gf the first day I moved in and the possibilities are endless.It is all about recognizing the slavic phenotype and the receptive girls.