Post: #76

DAY 43 - 03/10/2014

No daygame today - slept in and dealt with cleaning up around the room and other things. Went down to the Kiez at 11:00pm or so - since it's German Unity Day and a public holiday, I figure the bars will be packed, and they were.

Tried to get into Club Hamburg ... and got blocked. Went to Frieda B instead - it seems like the only place I can get into solo that still has a good amount of quality to approach. Notable approaches:

- The first approach let to me getting opened by her four friends, one after the other, in succession, in the span of about a minute. To be honest I felt like I was getting mobbed. My target suggests we get Mexicaner shots together - its kind of the locally-famous drink, something like 1/2 tequila and 1/2 tomato juice - and I pay for the two shots at €1,50 each. Not too expensive, at least. I ended up talking to one of her friends (more attractive) and we got shots as well. I suggest we go dancing, and me and all of her friends hit the floor. The second we start dancing, they go cold. I just got played. Fuck. Eject and cut my losses ... move on.

- Managed to get a number out of my next approach - tallish brunette, but with really nice skin ... call her a 7.5/8. At this point my go-to for approaching in foreign country is by stacking two of Roosh's favorite openers back-to-back - I like saying that she looks like she speaks really good English because she doesn't look like she's a local. Segue that into a discussion about how non-local people probably have traveled a lot and how that could correlate with higher English proficiency, and you've opened into a conversation about mutual travel experiences. Anyways .... we're at the bar, and she's buying drinks for her friend. I suggest going somewhere quieter to chat (isolating) and she accepts. We chatted for a while more ... I was planning on moving to the dance floor once we finished our drinks, but one of her friends rolls up and is pretty persistent in demanding she stay with her group and not me. Figuring I'm not gonna dodge the cockblock, I go for the number and get it.

- This one kinda stung ... she was an Austrian girl, blonde, with glasses, kinda shorter than me. Opened, and she had hooked asking me where I was from, and we're bantering - and then these four guys, speaking English and suited-up, move in and execute one of the more elegant cockblocks I've seen. One physically blocks me out, and two others pull her over to introduce her to the fourth. I'm basically left wondering what happened and watching in mute rage, but I figure there's not much I can do about it. Besides, getting confrontational would likely get me thrown out, and that's the last thing I need right now - this bar is the last venue left for me here on the Reeperbahn that I can really game at.

Afterwards I kept approaching, but everything was getting shot down. Figure that the girls could intuit that I was pissed from how the above went down, and they didn't like it.

UPDATE: Something I can add anecdotally - it seems like the response rate to an intial message is higher if you use Whatsapp rather than text/SMS. Only a few datapoints in for daygame approaches, but it seems to be working better. We'll see if that plays out to something consistent or not.

Post: #77

Hamburg is a bomb city for nightgame!

Post: #78

Rytech, as much as you are struggling in Hamburg rest assured that it is still 10x better than Toronto or DC.

Post: #79

(10-04-2014 07:52 PM)TripleG Wrote:  Rytech, as much as you are struggling in Hamburg rest assured that it is still 10x better than Toronto or DC.

That is a scary thought. Couldn't even imagine what that would be like.

Post: #80

(10-03-2014 07:28 AM)rytech Wrote:  DAY 42 - 02/10/2014

Did more Jungfernstieg daygame - the weather here's been unseasonably warm so I'm using the opportunities while they last. Managed to pull two numbers in today's session - had been trying to set a personal best of three but wasn't able to.

I was daygaming until roughly 7:00pm, then spent an hour ensuring the logistical set-up for my German/Korean date at 8:00pm. We meet in front of the Apple Store on Jungfernstieg (which is how I opened her asking for directions to it) and we walk together (arm-in-arm) to the bar I've selected. It has a good setup since there are sofa outside where you can sit side-by-side to your date. We get two glasses of the house red wine and go sit outside. Pretty soon I have my arm across her waist as we're sitting and chatting together. To be honest, it was kind of painful talking to her, since she was pretty quiet the entire date - it felt like I was carrying the conversation most of the time. She was pretty receptive to my kino-ing her though, so I figured I could still have an in to escalate.

We finish our drinks and walk over to the Alsterpavillion to watch the fountain, and it's here that I go for the kiss shortly after we arrive. She doesn't head-turn ... but she didn't really reciprocate it, either. And it's here where things start getting odd. She starts getting apologetic about how she's really awkward with guys, how we've only just met, how she's been dead tired lately from working, etc. This pretty much threw me for a curveball since she had seemed really enthusiastic on meeting me earlier. She ended up saying she wanted to go home and sleep, but that she wasn't really sure she wanted to meet again (though she said she really liked me, go figure.) I tell her if she's interested she has my number. She smiles, we hug, and I get one last kiss in before she leaves.

Literally the second I turn around to walk away, my phone rings with a sound I don't recognize. I pull it out and check it - it's one of the girls whose number I got earlier today messaging me on Whatsapp. Here's how the conversation ended up going:

[snip]

As always, any comments, questions, queries are welcome.

You seem to overthink the things. You calculate too much the possibilities, the chances, ecc. No one girl contacts you (like did the girl who invited you to the club out of town) if she is not interested in you. She may or not may be thinking about having sex with you that very night, but surely if you play smooth - and not showing any hesitation or unsureness - the bang sooner or later will happen. If you demand to have, by messaging on whatsupp, the garantee she will put out, that's a big mistake. To her eyes, you will appear as a man who don't have the balls to try hard for what he wants - or who, more simply, doesn't really want it.
Also, the girl you approached and with whom you went to a insta-date invited you to join her and her guy friend to put you in competition with him. Obvious. But still, you could have won that competition, and get a bang that very night. If you had a date with a girl you really like, would you bring over another one whom you like less, and who is likely to make you lose the other girl? No way. It's evident that the girl much appreciated your courage in approaching her, but didn't finally give you her number because she wanted to "punish" you for not having tried hard with her.
As a general advice I can give you, as I'm older than you and was there many times (gaming in foreign countries, with no wingmen, no full understading of the culture and enviroment ecc.) is: go until the end and see what happens. As long as your experience will be mainly about approaching, you won't truly understand the women of that country.
Knowing the rules of the game is necessary, but at one point you must disconnect the brain and throw yourself in the moment.
Try hard if you have even the littlest prospect, and don't be afraid to fail: you'll go back home alone in any case, but if you push it until the end, worst scenario will be you'll learn some good lesson.

Post: #81

DAY 44 - 04/10/2014

Weather's still good, so more Jungfernstieg daygame .... and didn't get anything. Roughly five straight hours of approaches landed me with nil. Guess it was one of those days. I'd been having somewhat of a good run (at least relatively) for the last bit - maybe I'm on the downslope of that right now. I did set up a D2 with the daygame girl from D42 for Monday afternoon. Plus I have the FB scheduled for Tuesday night this week. Back to Frieda B for Saturday night. Get there at roughly midnight before its starts getting crowded.

First approach hooks - she's a Slovakian student. (I had guessed Romanian or Bulgarian.) Petite frame, dark black hair, hazel-coloured eyes. We banter at the bar for a bit, but she's going over to her friend to give her her drink. She invites me along and I go with. I end up learning that my target is only in town for the weekend, and is rooming with her friend. Inquiring as to what the friend is doing in Hamburg (thinking maybe I can swing branches and try to wheel her instead) I learn she moved here with her boyfriend. So much for that idea. (Though she was actually really cool. Didn't try to cockblock at all - basically remained silent unless she was asking me a question. Nice girl - if Slovakian girls ended up being like that I wouldn't mind visiting.)I tell my original target we should hit the dancefloor, and she complies. I start running my standard dance-floor routine and get to the foreheads-together point - but get faceturned. She says she's a good girl and "not that type." I laughed and told her that's what every girl always says. She smiles, we keep dancing, I try again - and get faceturned again. She tells me she needs to go back to her friend and wishes me a good night.

Next approach also hooks as well - also petite frame, but not as cute as the Slovakian. We're talking (again at the bar) but I notice a ring on her right ring finger - she's married. She goes back to her friends and I let her go. Didn't do any approaches for a while after that - just walking around trying to find a set that looked approachable. Got bored and saw her and a friend (kinda fat) with this jacked black dude - he's wheeling the fat chick. I reopen and suggest we hit the dance floor, and she accepts ... but points out the fact that she's married so I shouldn't expect anything. I shrug nonchalantly and lead her over. She looks to be not much older than I am so I ask her how long she's been married - only 2 months. While we're dancing, I try to keep her body as close to mine as I can, but I can tell she's deliberately trying to keep distance between the two of us. We dance for a while until she tells me she has to go to the washroom with her friend and wishes me a good night.

Third approach did hook, but she didn't speak English all that well. I tried busting out what little German I know so far, and between her English and my German we managed to last roughly a few minutes or so in conversation. I get backturned eventually as her friends pull her away - I think on it for a bit and then remember that I have Google Translate on my smartphone and plenty of data. Fuck - I could have pulled it out and tried that. Lesson learned for next time.

At this point its roughly 2:30 am or so, and the place is packed, and not in a good way - it's mostly sausage. Whatever talent left there has hit the dancefloor by now, and I watch for the next while as guy after guy tries approaching on the floor only to get shot down.

@Garzero. You're right about the Whatsapp message. Mistake on my part. She was pretty quick in responding to the Monday afternoon setup, so it seems like I lucked out in that regard. And overanalyzing is something I need to work on as well. Too many times I've talked myself out of approaching by saying it'd look awkward or whatever. Even after a couple years of being exposed to game I'm still in the beginner learning phase, I guess.

Post: #82

Rytech, have you tried online game at all (i'm not talking about tinder)?

A good friend of mine met a cute German chick from fdating.com. A quick glance on that site turns up some stunning talent. Also edarling.de seems to be popular. With as much time as you spend sarging during the day around the city and hitting on girls who aren't even local why not try to spend a couple hours creating a kickass profile and then just spam email the girls in Hamburg that strike your fancy. You'd be amazed at how many girls online have a "foreigner fetish" and your response rate should be high if you put the fact that you're Canadian and in the military (you should also say that you're an officer for bonus points).

Post: #83

DAY 46 - 06/10/2014

Another D2, another dead lead.

Day started off alright. Was working out at the gym on-barracks and managed to quickly number-close a French exchange student - she had a T-shirt with the crest of Saint-Cyr (the French Army's service academy) on the back. Went to lunch, then to my meetup with the D42 daygame chick that drunkenly messaged me on Whatsapp last Thursday. I meet her at the Apple store on Jungfernstieg and we walk arm-in-arm (doing that is better than hand-holding here, I find) to the first venue, a small bar I managed to find inside a mall north of the Rathausmarkt. We get two glasses of white wine and start bantering - travel, crazy life experiences, and the like. I'm sitting with my arm across her waist, and she asked me at first if I usually do that when I'm with a girl - I smirked and said nothing, and she let it go. That, in retrospect, maybe was a bit of a flag. We finish up, and start heading to the second point - the bridge on Jungfernstieg near the Alsterfountain, where I was planning to go for the kiss. As mentioned in previous posts, I thought I was getting strong interest signals from her so I didn't think there'd be an issue. Until there was.

She had offered to pay for her half, and as we were walking towards the bridge I (probably foolishly, in retrospect) made an off-hand comment: "It was cool of you to pay for yours. Not a lot of girls do that."

To which she responds, with a bit of a shocked look on her face, "Wait ... is this a date, or are we just hanging out together?"

At this point I'm thinking, I can't believe this. Even after grabbing her number, telling her she looked "kinda cute", setting up a one-on-one meet soon afterwards, and kino-ing fairly heavily considering it was during the late afternoon - it still didn't clue in to her that I was trying to express interest.

I try to inquire at this point as to how she could possibly misunderstand me, and that turned into a rather extended (some might say eye-opening) conversation on the differences in dating culture between Germany and Canada (though this could probably include the other Anglosphere countries as well.) From what she told me, the way that a guy and girl get into a mutually intimate relationship (exclusive or not) usually goes along the following script:

Step 1: Guy meets girl, usually through some sort of social introduction. (Because no one in this country does cold approaches, evidently.) They find each other agreeable company and agree to hang out together socially (almost definitely with other people.)
Step 2: They hang out together (as friends) for "a while" (her precise words.) Guy evidently makes little to no effort to demonstrate interest. The most she said that guys tend to do here is suggest "hanging out together" at her place or his.
Step 3: If girl ends up finding the guy sexually desirable, she suggests meeting at her place or his. Sex, then, is just supposed to "happen."

From what I can tell, it seems like the way most guys get into intimate relationships with girls here in Germany is by deliberately friend-zoning themselves and hoping that the girl finds them sexually desirable enough to take them out of the friendzone - except the girls actually do pull them back from time to time. I know - you're probably thinking I should take what she's saying with a grain of salt. But it seems to correlate with other things I've read anecdotally on the forum that German guys are usually super-beta and have no game. Can any of the Germany experts here comment on if this is true? Sourcecode, w00t, Branimir ... thoughts?

In any case, if this is true I definitely need to take stock and change my strategy.

This last month of September has been the most intensive period of game I've ever had. There have been points where I've been daygaming 4-6 times a week and going out 3-4 times a week. I know some days I've gone out daygaming for hours at a time, came back to my room, changed, and went out nightgaming, came back, slept for 5-6 hours, and gone back out daygaming. I don't think of it as wasted time, since it's been great for improving my at-first rudimentary skills at both day and night game, but still. I should be getting more out of such effort.

In the month of September, for all the outlay of effort that you've read in the posts above, I've managed to get:

- 1 SNL (who, thank God, wants to keep seeing me on the semi-regular);
- 4 kisses/makeouts (not including the above SNL);
- Three D2s, all from daygame, all of which ended up being dead leads;
- and a whole lot of numbers that either ended up being no-responses or getting stuck in messaging hell.

The students at the UofHamburg should be coming back this week - so this will be my strategy going forward:

DAYGAME - to be kept, as best as possible, to the international ERASMUS students at the University of Hamburg. I already have my Germany flag, and frankly, I don't need another two months of what I've been doing trying to chase awkward-as-fuck German girls.
NIGHTGAME - continue with what I'm doing. Try to push as hard as possible for the kiss so it's unambiguous where it stands. Even if it has to be with German girls.

So that's my plan going forward.

As always, any comments, questions, queries are welcome.

Post: #84

(10-06-2014 04:09 PM)rytech Wrote:  DAY 46 - 06/10/2014

Another D2, another dead lead.

She had offered to pay for her half, and as we were walking towards the bridge I (probably foolishly, in retrospect) made an off-hand comment: "It was cool of you to pay for yours. Not a lot of girls do that."

To which she responds, with a bit of a shocked look on her face, "Wait ... is this a date, or are we just hanging out together?"

At this point I'm thinking, I can't believe this.

Man, she was playing. This is what almost all the girls do when they go on a date with a guy they don't consider their boyfriend yet: if you dare to simply hint at the fact that something is going on between the two of you, she will strongly deny it.
A girl will NEVER verbally admit she is on a date with you unless there has been AT LEAST a serious and passionate make-out before and the passion is continuing for the whole date.

What I would have done is:
she: "wait: is this a date or we are hanging out?"
me: (never give direct answer) "why you say so?" or "what do you mean?" (you put her in a difficult position, 'cause now she has to explain. Basically you turn the table)
she: "because this and that, bla bla"
me: "I said it just to say something" (you show you don't give a fuck.) Now she feels bad and wants to be reassured she is attractive. You will feel strange vibes in the air: that's the moment. You push her onto the wall and kiss her. There will be little or no resistance.

Post: #85

I would take what she said with a grain of salt, she baited you and you bit. I have banged girls who were feminist and wanted to split the bill on the first date.
It was a shit test.
On a side note, the way you keep touching girls could be coming across wrong.
I know German girls are freaks but maybe in public they like to put on a different face.

Post: #86

Why are you still in Germany. almost 2 months and youre still in hamburg.
Pipeline and head to,Berlin,Copenhagen(you can get a ticket to Cope for like 39euro

http://www.bahn.de/p/view/angebot/intern...mark.shtml

Look up some ryanair or easyjet flights.
You are in europe.. take the opportunity..get that fresh breath of air and go hit a different country for a couple days

Post: #87

(10-07-2014 04:14 AM)Sourcecode Wrote:  Why are you still in Germany. almost 2 months and youre still in hamburg.
Pipeline and head to,Berlin,Copenhagen(you can get a ticket to Cope for like 39euro

http://www.bahn.de/p/view/angebot/intern...mark.shtml

Look up some ryanair or easyjet flights.
You are in europe.. take the opportunity..get that fresh breath of air and go hit a different country for a couple days

I am trying to do that. But it takes time.
Have to go through multiple reporting procedures ... plus get approval from my chain of command back in Canada to leave the country.
You're (ex?)military - you know how it is.
But it's something I'm definitely in advanced planning for.

Post: #88

Ya man that is just what your experience is gonna look like in Germany.

Its not a good country for game Ive been saying this over and over. Hookups happen through social circle mostly and its not really a cold approach culture. German guys dont go up to random girls and talk to them unless theyre really drunk at a party... or if they studied PU.

You can still do well but it will require a lot of hard work and you need to figure out a specific approach.

For instance the only way I could get to 3 bangs / month in Germany (daygame) with minimal effort was by disregarding German chicks and going only for black girls theyre super easy. The only problem is finding them and finding the pretty ones... lots of legwork involved.

You can also try moroccan / turkish / middle-eastern girls they can be really slutty but watch out for their families. Some of the hottest chicks you will find in Germany are middle-eastern

Eastern Europeans can be good but only if they havent been in Germany too long or you will hardly recognize a difference.

You need to work smarter not harder or the country will chew you up and spit you out. Look for approach invitations, screen heavily for dtf girls and focus on foreigners. Niche it down.

I dont know about Hamburg but Berlin is full with foreigners and I know guys there who are doing very well.

Or you just take a train / plane to the czech republic or Poland, its literally only a couple of hours drive. Youll feel like youve landed on another planet with much prettier and nicer girls. You will be alot happier there guaranteed.

Germans can be cracked too but dont ask me how I pretty much gave up on them lol. Juice is not worth the squeeze IMO. Most chicks are frumpy and often with a bad attitude, why bother? There are some cool ones too who are dtf and wont give you a headache, but you have to wade through all the bullshit first to find them and the ratio is not good.

Post: #89

(10-07-2014 04:22 AM)rytech Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 04:14 AM)Sourcecode Wrote:  Why are you still in Germany. almost 2 months and youre still in hamburg.
Pipeline and head to,Berlin,Copenhagen(you can get a ticket to Cope for like 39euro

http://www.bahn.de/p/view/angebot/intern...mark.shtml

Look up some ryanair or easyjet flights.
You are in europe.. take the opportunity..get that fresh breath of air and go hit a different country for a couple days

I am trying to do that. But it takes time.
Have to go through multiple reporting procedures ... plus get approval from my chain of command back in Canada to leave the country.
You're (ex?)military - you know how it is.
But it's something I'm definitely in advanced planning for.

I don't see why you would have to go through any procedures.
You are in the EU..you can travel freely.
You are a student first..you have weekends off.
Or course I don't know how Canada's system work.but I know the Germans get NATO orders when they come to he states.. they can pretty much go anywhere.
Maybe they are much more strict on travel..but I figured your free time is up to you..you do what you please
"reporting" was telling the dudes in my house or whichever student was suppose to be taking care of me.. that I was leaving for the weekend and to call me if anything was up.

No one is gonna do anything more than look at your passport at a border, if that...so you shouldnt be worried about things like that

I never got a official residents permit.
I carried a
https://www.uni-frankfurt.de/45728167/Te...heinigung_
example information^
which was pretty much an extension to get the rest of my papers in order(which i just used as a visa extension)...and a letterhead copy of my school enrollment...in the event that I had to prove while I was in the EU so long.

Post: #90

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Germans can be cracked too but dont ask me how I pretty much gave up on them lol. Juice is not worth the squeeze IMO. Most chicks are frumpy and often with a bad attitude, why bother? There are some cool ones too who are dtf and wont give you a headache, but you have to wade through all the bullshit first to find them and the ratio is not good.
[/quote]

German girls can definitely seem strange. There have been a number of times where I've hung out with German girls, isolated them, made a move, only to be rejected with a surprised look on their face.

In most other countries, the very fact that a girl will come home with you implies that she is at least a bit interested. This is not the case with German girls. Its almost as if they automatically assume you are a friend first, and clueless that a man would try to have sex with them. One thing I've learned from this is to make my intentions known beforehand. I've managed to have some success this way, but not always.

Probably about 90% of my success here is from foreigners. EE/Russian girls are a lot easier, however I'd still like to crack the German code. Although they can be cold and have bad attitudes, they have a certain class about them that I find sexy...especially if they are skinny and blonde.

Post: #91

Germany is an LTR country. If you really want quality, you will need to find a way to play the LTR angle, Germans don't live for excitement.

Post: #92

So .... big news.

After finally managing to pull together the approvals from the professors here and my chain of command back in Canada, I'm got approval to take a week off of classes in November and go travelling.

So, you may ask, where am I going to be?
That's right .... Poznan, Poland.
Time for me to see if I can capture the Polish magic everyone here raves about.

I'm there November 08 - 17. Got the centrally-located apartment locked down (<10 minutes walk from the Market Square), got the train tickets booked and paid for.

I'm looking to create my own little slice of Polish paradise.
Let's see if I get it.

Post: #93

(10-10-2014 03:02 AM)rytech Wrote:  So .... big news.

After finally managing to pull together the approvals from the professors here and my chain of command back in Canada, I'm got approval to take a week off of classes in November and go travelling.

So, you may ask, where am I going to be?
That's right .... Poznan, Poland.
Time for me to see if I can capture the Polish magic everyone here raves about.

I'm there November 08 - 17. Got the centrally-located apartment locked down (<10 minutes walk from the Market Square), got the train tickets booked and paid for.

I'm looking to create my own little slice of Polish paradise.
Let's see if I get it.

Cool.
But don't give up on German girls. If you managed to go on so many dates, it means these girls like you. It always takes some time to adjust your game to the enviroment.
Smash those nazi pussies.

Post: #94

DAY 50 - 10/10/2014

Didn't do much in the way of game last week - been busy with first week of classes and all. Saw the FB on Tuesday night - it's becoming a semi-regular thing, cause the sex is still going pretty good. She's increasingly liking it rougher and rougher ... which is great for me, at least.

Went to Frieda B last night - as mentioned before, it's the one place I can get into rolling solo that still has reasonably good quality. Unfortunately, I didn't get anything substantive. Got there really early - something like 11:45 pm - and the place was virtually empty. It didn't fill up till around 1:30-2am, which was weird, since usually it's already pretty packed by midnight.

Most of the approaches I ran petered out after a couple minutes or so - really only one that managed to hook. She was standing next to me at the bar, fumbling for a lighter for her cigarette, so I pulled mine out and offered her the light. Noticed that she was smoking self-rolled cigarettes so I opened on that. She hooked and we chatted for a good 10 minutes or so, but her friends were there at the bar with her - two guys and a girl, so already it wasn't the best setup. She was making an effort to hold conversation, asking lots of questions and such, so I thought there was at least some potential ... besides, it was the only prospect so far that had hooked.

She ended up inviting me to go dance with her friends, and I joined them, thinking I could isolate her on the dancefloor and escalate further. I tried running my standard dancefloor game, but she wouldn't go for the isolation. We'd dance together for a bit, and she'd scurry back to dance back within the larger group we were in. Eventually the girl and one of the guys went off leaving me with the target and the other guy friend. It was annoying as fuck because I would be chatting her up and moving her around the dance floor, and he would just be standing there, following us around but just being mute the entire time. At this point I suggest we step off the dance floor and she accepts, I lead her back to the bar to chat - and he's still following us. Turned out that her other two friends were there and the four of them started chatting - I took that as my cue to get the number and eject. She gave it, but it is virtually guaranteed to be another dead number.

The rest of the night was spent making approaches that didn't really go anywhere. Left at around 4am and went back. The thought of Poland is already starting to have a negative effect on me wanting to game here. Gotta keep at it.

On that note - I changed the apartment that I'll be staying in for my time in Poznan. Earlier it was about 10 minutes away from the Market Square, but the new place is inside the Old Town, on Ulitsa Gołębia - literally right around the corner from Czekolada and Cuba Libre, and less than 5 minutes from Club 22. From what I've read on the forum so far, those are the clubs to hit in Poznan. So I'm set for that, at least.

Post: #95

(10-11-2014 02:16 PM)rytech Wrote:  DAY 50 - 10/10/2014

She ended up inviting me to go dance with her friends, and I joined them, thinking I could isolate her on the dancefloor and escalate further. I tried running my standard dancefloor game, but she wouldn't go for the isolation. We'd dance together for a bit, and she'd scurry back to dance back within the larger group we were in. Eventually the girl and one of the guys went off leaving me with the target and the other guy friend. It was annoying as fuck because I would be chatting her up and moving her around the dance floor, and he would just be standing there, following us around but just being mute the entire time.

Typical german guy's cockblock. An italian or a french would have grabbed the girl and pulled her to dance with him, but this is how germans are: stubborn and unsophisticated. I garantee the guy knew exactly what he was doing.

In my time in Germany I witnessed often german guys' nightgame. It is very direct and phisical, based mostly on brutal strenght. They grab the girl and basically block her, letting her understand who's the strongs and the powerful. This is often well received and may lead to a same might bang. You probably should consider to use it yourself as a nightgame variation of your usual strategies.

Post: #96

DAY 52 - 12/10/2014

Today was an object lesson in the importance of putting it down well in bed.

I committed what might possibly have been the stupidest, most ridiculous unforced error ever in the time I've been running game ... and, in the most improbable way, managed to recover from it.

The story:

It's a lazy Sunday evening, and I've just finished cleaning up my dormitory room. Pull out my phone and start randomly flipping through it. For whatever reason, I end up in my Whatsapp contacts ... I have a few random phone numbers of some girls, and my FB's number. I do not, for the life of me, know why I did this, but I absentmindedly created a new group called "Harem" and put my FB's number inside it. I've never really ever had a time where I've been seeing two or more girls at the same time .... maybe it would just be a nice idea, I thought. My harem of one.

I created it, but ended up deleting it four or so seconds later cause I thought it was a bad idea. Too late.

A minute or so goes, and my phone rings. I look down and there's a message from her: "Are you kidding me? ?"

I freeze. Oh fuck me.

Evidently it must have pinged her that I created it. I had no idea that Whatsapp did that. FUCK.

As you can imagine, it didn't go over well. She reamed me out for a full five minutes or so, going on about how "utterly disrespectful" I was and how "I'm more than just a piece of meat for you to fuck."

I try to think about how I can deny/talk my way out of this one ... and came up empty.

So I did the only thing I could think of. I came up with some half-baked story of some idiot friend putting me up to it as a joke. And I apologized. Told her I regretted disrespecting her and that I was sorry it happened.

(Aside: I'm not happy that I'm writing the above words. To be honest, it's more than a bit embarrassing. But this thread is supposed to recount the entirety of my story here - good and bad. I feel like I owe all of you the truth in writing my updates. So.)

I wait. No response. I angrily delete her number, thinking there's no chance of her wanting to meet me again. And I fume. For a long time - a good hour or so. What little result I have to show for the preceding month of balls-out effort I just stupidly threw away for quite possibly the most ridiculous reason I could think of. To be honest, I was counting on using her to keep me satiated while I kept chasing in this unforgiving environment - just so I didn't get frustrated having nothing to show for my efforts. And now this. Time to start all over again. Ugh.

My phone rings. I look down. It's her. "I can't believe I'm saying this, but you're too fucking good in bed to push away." She still wants to keep seeing me.

At least I can say with complete confidence now that my bedroom game is on lock. Cause I'm still having a hard time believing that I ended up saving that plate after that.

Post: #97

DAY 54 - 14/10/2014

Did a little bit of daygame today - but not at Jungfernstieg. Decided to check out the area around the University of Hamburg again to see if I could get anything out of it. It's actually a pretty good area for daygame - especially the central park area known as the Von-Melle-Park. Lots of slim, good looking talent around the area, and plenty of cafes and coffee shops to insta-date a girl to as well.

Ran roughly 5 or so approaches - managed to get 1 insta-date and 1 number. My main opener was asking around for the university's Language Centre, trying to get a bait drop by them asking me where I'm from/which university I went to (since I mentioned that I don't go to the UoHamburg.)

I've started to institute a new rule, in the wake of the D46 debacle where the girl didn't realize my intentions until mid-way through. It's pretty simple - I don't meet up with a girl unless I either 1) get the kiss on the initial approach (for nightgame) or 2) ask if they are single/have a boyfriend (for a day-game insta-date or during messaging.) I think that's the best way to make sure that mistake like what happened earlier don't happen again - since it seems I have to be really obvious about my intentions with the girls here.

Got the number-girl first and messaged her roughly 30 minutes afterwards to see if she'd respond back - didn't at first. Went on the insta-date and dropped the single question at the end - it turned out that she was, but that she had just ended a relationship and wasn't looking for anything more right now. Let her go and the number-girl messages me back. I was initially planning on messaging her again in a couple days time to set up a D2 next week, but she's continuing the conversation, and it seemed like a fairly strong interaction before the close, so I decide to push for a meet sooner this week. She wanted to meet but replied in the negative to the "are-you-single" question. So that was that.

In other news, one of my earlier daygame prospects messaged me asking if I wanted to meet up with her Friday night to go partying. I had insta-dated her on the day I approached her (she was one of the D34 closes) and had asked if she was single, to which she said yes - and I made pretty clear what my intentions were with her. So I can say that she's a pretty solid lead - at least, relatively speaking.

HSU is having a beginning of trimester party on Thursday, and there's an Erasmus party at Gruner Jager, on the Sternschanze, on Saturday. Gonna see if I can convince one of the other exchange students here to go with me so I have a better chance of getting in than going solo - which I've learned is possibly the best way to get rejected here.

As always, any comments, questions, queries are welcome.

Post: #98

Hey! I might go to Hamburg next weekend. Maybe game somewhere?

Post: #99

(10-15-2014 05:58 AM)mastauser Wrote:  Hey! I might go to Hamburg next weekend. Maybe game somewhere?

PM sent.

Post: #100

I'm surprised by you getting rejected in front of clubs that often. Things really must have changed... it's been some since I went out in Hamburg regularly but I have never been rejected in the past...only the last time I went out with a buddy and two girls last winter we were stopped by the bouncer in front of "Ego"... we were not "hipsterish" enough according to him.