(08-14-2014 06:01 PM)Apollo Wrote:  Too many outsiders have focused their agendas onto Ferguson, which includes the NAACP, Black Panther Party, Sharpton, Governor Jay Nixon, Sen. Claire McCaskill, Anons, and the national media that the stage for a complete media circus has effectively been set.

Seriously misleading comment.

Jay Nixon is the governor and McCaskill is one of the senators representing the state of Missouri, both should definitely be involved to some extent. The American media should be covering riots and police brutality in America.

The NAACP and Al Sharpton, as long time advocates for the African American community, should have an interest in helping a large black community that is dealing with serious tension.

As for the Black Panther Party, I assume you mean the New Black Panther Party, not the party of Huey Newton, Eldridge Cleaver (both deceased), Bobby Seale, and Angela Davis. The NBPP is a whole different thing and has a significantly smaller membership and strays pretty far from the original platform of the Black Panthers. The original BPP was involved in community organizing, opening free clinics, ensuring fair treatment by law enforcement, providing breakfast to kids before school, teaching economics, etc... The NBPP is basically a marginally political organized gang.

(08-14-2014 06:01 PM)Apollo Wrote:  Some serious stuff could be happening tonight. Very large protest groups are forming in Ferguson right now. If those same assholes from downtown decide to come up again and cause trouble, we could be seeing a repeat of Sunday night, or worse since we have the police with all their military toys on full alert.

You mean the assholes with assault rifles who shoot at people as if it were open hunting season?

First of all, St. Louis is a city that is constrained. When the city boundaries were decided in the past, an arc was drawn from one bank of the Mississippi River to the other on the Missouri side. This became the City of St. Louis. The Illinois side didn't count. Inside the arc the city fathers would provide basic services. So anything outside the arc is "St. Louis County", which has a whole different government.
St. Louis, both county and city, is also very far from any other metropolitan area. If you hate your situation in St. Louis, you're stuck, unless you feel like making the trek to Memphis or Chicago. So what happens in St. Louis tends to stay bottled in St. Louis.
When I lived in St. Louis City in the 1980's, the southern end of the city, south of Mill Valley (The Green Line), was predominantly white. North of the line was predominantly black. Successful black people moved north to get out of the city area. And as more black people went north, more white people moved out. I'll let the race trolls whine about the reasons why; I'm stating fact.
So in Ferguson, what you have is a white police force that doesn't want to resign their jobs ($$$) and a governing town council that is still predominantly white. And you have plenty of black people from the bottom of society which have moved in. A perfect mixture for a powder keg. It's happened all over the northern counties around St. Louis.
Right now I'm hoping President Barry can descend from the heavens and lay his magic healing vibe on the place. Because it's all starting to look like the opening stages of something horrible.
And as a character recently said in a book:"You won't like what comes after America."

(08-14-2014 06:44 PM)Osiris Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 06:01 PM)Apollo Wrote:  Too many outsiders have focused their agendas onto Ferguson, which includes the NAACP, Black Panther Party, Sharpton, Governor Jay Nixon, Sen. Claire McCaskill, Anons, and the national media that the stage for a complete media circus has effectively been set.

Seriously misleading comment.

Jay Nixon is the governor and McCaskill is one of the senators representing the state of Missouri, both should definitely be involved to some extent. The American media should be covering riots and police brutality in America.

The NAACP and Al Sharpton, as long time advocates for the African American community, should have an interest in helping a large black community that is dealing with serious tension.

As for the Black Panther Party, I assume you mean the New Black Panther Party, not the party of Huey Newton, Eldridge Cleaver (both deceased), Bobby Seale, and Angela Davis. The NBPP is a whole different thing and has a significantly smaller membership and strays pretty far from the original platform of the Black Panthers. The original BPP was involved in community organizing, opening free clinics, ensuring fair treatment by law enforcement, providing breakfast to kids before school, teaching economics, etc... The NBPP is basically a marginally political organized gang.

I'm not deliberately trying to misleading anyone. I'm only telling you what is being reported in the media here in St. Louis.

This issue began because a cop allegedly executed a guy in the middle of the street.

Now other events, like the looting and associated property damage as well as the allegations of racism in the St. Louis County police department and in the county's political institutions have become the main headline.

The entrance of figures like Sharpton, the NBPP, and non-local politicians (even Obama commented on the situation today) has only legitimized to the blacks in those communities that the issue is not that a single officer allegedly went off the rail and killed a guy, but that racism is endemic in the governing and policing institutions of the city.

The actions of Nixon today more or less affirmed that belief:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/14...79774.html

I honestly understand that some of these people have good intentions, but in the real world, good intentions do not necessarily yield good results. My thoughts on the matter is that the influence of these outside parties detracts from the true issue at hand (the investigation of the death of Mike Brown) and they are more about securing votes and political power in the upcoming elections by using his death to pulpit on.

(08-14-2014 08:01 PM)Apollo Wrote:  The entrance of figures like Sharpton, the NBPP, and non-local politicians (even Obama commented on the situation today) has only legitimized to the blacks in those communities that the issue is not that a single officer allegedly went off the rail and killed a guy, but that racism is endemic in the governing and policing institutions of the city.

The actions of Nixon today more or less affirmed that belief:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/14...79774.html

I honestly understand that some of these people have good intentions, but in the real world, good intentions do not necessarily yield good results. My thoughts on the matter is that the influence of these outside parties detracts from the true issue at hand (the investigation of the death of Mike Brown) and they are more about securing votes and political power in the upcoming elections by using his death to pulpit on.

Apparently the difference between on the ground Ferguson yesterday and today is light years, but I say proceed with caution.

Now you have police officers taking pictures with and politicians hugging protesters.

Furthermore, they've brought in the Chief of Missouri Highway Patrol who happens to be Black to run the show.

I'm not buying this one bit; these are tactics to pacify the people and make them believe something that just isn't true: that these people are on their side.

Apparently the Highway Patrol officer brought in grew up in Ferguson.

(08-14-2014 09:06 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  Apparently the Highway Patrol officer brought in grew up in Ferguson.

That matters none, he's on the side of the authorities, not the people of Ferguson.

They're still not providing information, they're still not interviewing key witnesses, I know a head fake when I see one.

Bringing in Black faces, people who grew up in the area, politicians who don't really give a damn, it's a tactic to pacify the people and dissipate the energy, it makes people feel safe, and gives them a false sense of hope.

Game has to be recognized in all of its forms.

This is EXACTLY what they want you to believe, "you've been heard".

Freedom of assembly is your constitutional right, and now they've called off the dogs, so you think you won something that was yours to begin with.

Meanwhile, the questions you want answered, the investigation that you were demanding take place, still remains in the same place it was before: nowhere.

This is why Black people are where they are in this country, they refuse to see when they're getting played; if you can't see that then shit you deserve what you get.

(08-14-2014 09:21 PM)jariel Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 09:06 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  Apparently the Highway Patrol officer brought in grew up in Ferguson.

That matters none, he's on the side of the authorities, not the people of Ferguson.

They're still not providing information, they're still not interviewing key witnesses, I know a head fake when I see one.

Bringing in Black faces, people who grew up in the area, politicians who don't really give a damn, it's a tactic to pacify the people and dissipate the energy, it makes people feel safe, and gives them a false sense of hope.

Game has to be recognized in all of its forms.

Relax, I am just sharing some news I heard. But I have a question for you, would you prefer that people were on the edge of violence instead of trying to find a non violent solution? I understand some witnesses have not been interviewed, I understand it is been a poorly handled investigation. But how do they get to the truth with violence on the streets? It seems like it would be a shame if more people got hurt. Logically, it just seems that cooler heads would be able to get something done.

With all this media attention, I think there would be tremendous pressure to find justice in this matter.

Edit: Antonio French, an alderman, has been pretty active in providing live information. He was just interviewed on MSNBC. https://twitter.com/AntonioFrench

(08-14-2014 09:46 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  Relax, I am just sharing some news I heard. But I have a question for you, would you prefer that people were on the edge of violence instead of trying to find a non violent solution? I understand some witnesses have not been interviewed, I understand it is been a poorly handled investigation. But how do they get to the truth with violence on the streets? It seems like it would be a shame if more people got hurt. Logically, it just seems that cooler heads would be able to get something done.

With all this media attention, I think there would be tremendous pressure to find justice in this matter.

Edit: Antonio French, an alderman, has been pretty active in providing live information. He was just interviewed on MSNBC. https://twitter.com/AntonioFrench

I wasn't attacking your response, just pointing out the ridiculousness of the literal good cop/bad cop game they're running on the people.

24 hours ago, the area was a war zone, now politicians are showing up to hug protesters.

Marches and candlelight vigils don't get anything done, that doesn't mean I'm advocating violence, but I won't advocate bullshit that doesn't produce results.

(08-14-2014 10:05 PM)jariel Wrote:  Marches and candlelight vigils don't get anything done, that doesn't mean I'm advocating violence, but I won't advocate bullshit that doesn't produce results.

What results and what solutions are there? The fundamental issues are cultural and social. Blaming it all on the system is short sighted. It's empty activism that does not look at the cause for the dysfunction.

(08-14-2014 06:44 PM)Osiris Wrote:  The NAACP and Al Sharpton, as long time advocates for the African American community, should have an interest in helping a large black community that is dealing with serious tension.

What do Al Sharpton, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage, Ann Coulter, and Jesse Jackson all have in common?

They are culture warriors, media figureheads who profit and feed off the discontent from their primary demographic.

The idea that Al Sharpton or any of these guys care one bit about their "cause" is a joke. Their cause is racial and political turmoil. The more volatile society is the more they profit off their brand. When you see these guys move in for the kill you know it's all a joke.

Im surprised seeing the amount of hatred here directed towards cops. Don't get me wrong in the U.K there have been countless anti police riots, a lot of those were on racial lines. But it appears that ordinary Americans genuinely really dislike the police, which suggests that something is wrong. Did this resentment start in the civil rights era, the war on drugs ? Or since the War on terror ?

(08-15-2014 12:58 AM)Constitution45 Wrote:  Im surprised seeing the amount of hatred here directed towards cops. Don't get me wrong in the U.K there have been countless anti police riots, a lot of those were on racial lines. But it appears that ordinary Americans genuinely really dislike the police, which suggests that something is wrong. Did this resentment start in the civil rights era, the war on drugs ? Or since the War on terror ?

Being a cop must be the most thankless job of all time. There is no fucking way I'd ever be a cop. The amount of risk you have to put up with to the amount of money you make to me makes it one of the worse jobs there are. Every time that cop leaves the house the morning he doesn't know if he's coming home. It's your job to possibly take a bullet for someone you don't even know. Somebody on parole or his second strike robs a liquor store and here you pull up and that robber starts shooting at you because failure to escape means he goes to jail for life. If there's a terrorist attack like 9/11, you're expected to run toward the scene and try to save people while everyone else is running away. People mostly dislike you and think you're the problem. Many people even get dramatic with you hoping to provoke an incident so they can make a point. You have to deal with the scum of society day in and day out. You are sent to break up domestics disputes where both the husband and wife hate you for showing up and feel that it's none of your business, even though you are there for their safety. When you see troops in uniform, people are constantly telling them "thank you for your service", but nobody ever says that to a cop even though they are first people everyone calls when they're in danger. And all this for a ho hum $50k a year.

Sometimes I wonder what would happen if cops went on a nationwide strike. This society would be quickly overrun with barbarians. Looting would break out across all cities knowing that no cops will be there to stop it. Bank and corner store robberies would skyrocket in every city. Nobody would even want to be out in the city after dark. The only safe places would be rural and small communities where people are heavily armed and look out for each other. We'd quickly find out that cops are really the only thing holding back civilization from imploding into a Mogadishu. The people screaming "Fuck the police" might even have a change of heart if the police ever said fuck this shit en masse and went AWOL.

(08-14-2014 10:39 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 06:44 PM)Osiris Wrote:  The NAACP and Al Sharpton, as long time advocates for the African American community, should have an interest in helping a large black community that is dealing with serious tension.

What do Al Sharpton, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage, Ann Coulter, and Jesse Jackson all have in common?

They are culture warriors, media figureheads who profit and feed off the discontent from their primary demographic.

The idea that Al Sharpton or any of these guys care one bit about their "cause" is a joke. Their cause is racial and political turmoil. The more volatile society is the more they profit off their brand. When you see these guys move in for the kill you know it's all a joke.

The last thing I want to see is people like Sharpton sticking his face in the matter. These civil rights groups are struggling for relevancy in the 21st century. Memberships in the NAACP have steadily dwindled down. The era of black leaders is pretty much over. We don't have any leaders like a DuBois or MLK or Malcolm X that most of us are behind. Jackson and Shapton vie with each other to be the unelected leader of black America but to most black people now, they are pretty much irrelevant. Though the media likes to call on them as unofficial spokespersons for black America. What incentive does Sharpton have for wanting to calm the situation and find solutions? If he doesn't have racial flames to stoke, he doesn't get paid. What incentive does he have to make racial problems go away? It would mean he's out of a job.

Officer involved in Mike Brown Shooting sustained facial injuries: http://www.kmov.com/special-coverage-001...79471.html

Quote:FERGUSON, Mo. -- The officer who shot and killed an unarmed teenager in Ferguson, Missouri was injured in the alleged altercation, according to Ferguson Chief of Police Tom Jackson.
Jackson, who spoke on the phone with News 4's Laura Hettiger Wednesday morning, said the officer "was hit" and the "side of his face was swollen." The chief did not say if the officer suffered any broken bones.

In an interview after the shooting, police said 18-year-old Michael Brown was walking with a friend in the middle of Canfield when an officer attempted to exit his vehicle. Police said Brown pushed the officer back into the police car. According to police, Brown then entered the officer’s vehicle and a struggle ensued over the officer’s weapon. Police said during the physical altercation a shot was fired inside of the car.

Witnesses to the shooting, however, told a different story. A friend of Brown's told News 4 Saturday they were walking on the street when the officer approached them. He said they had their arms up when police opened fire.

The officer, who was placed on paid administrative leave following the shooting, has not been identified by authorities. Police said Tuesday an officer who was falsely identified on social media received threats.

(08-15-2014 12:58 AM)Constitution45 Wrote:  Im surprised seeing the amount of hatred here directed towards cops. Don't get me wrong in the U.K there have been countless anti police riots, a lot of those were on racial lines. But it appears that ordinary Americans genuinely really dislike the police, which suggests that something is wrong. Did this resentment start in the civil rights era, the war on drugs ? Or since the War on terror ?

All of that plus more. It has become obvious most cops and DAs are only after arrest numbers. They're not concerned with justice, just keeping their jobs and gravy train growing. They openly disregard the constitution and are a criminal gang paid for by my tax dollars. To me when I get pulled over for some BS DUI charge (all three times I wasn't drinking) they really want to make me a state slave for whatever amount of years.

Instead of dealing with real crime, most departments want the low hanging revenue fruit.

I'll say it, being white and looking "all American" whatever at means is the only way to not get mailed by the police. I feel for minorities being policed by people who do not walk the beat or have any connection to the neighborhood.

(08-15-2014 08:25 AM)frenchie Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 12:58 AM)Constitution45 Wrote:  Im surprised seeing the amount of hatred here directed towards cops. Don't get me wrong in the U.K there have been countless anti police riots, a lot of those were on racial lines. But it appears that ordinary Americans genuinely really dislike the police, which suggests that something is wrong. Did this resentment start in the civil rights era, the war on drugs ? Or since the War on terror ?

All of that plus more. It has become obvious most cops and DAs are only after arrest numbers. They're not concerned with justice, just keeping their jobs and gravy train growing. They openly disregard the constitution and are a criminal gang paid for by my tax dollars. To me when I get pulled over for some BS DUI charge (all three times I wasn't drinking) they really want to make me a state slave for whatever amount of years.

Instead of dealing with real crime, most departments want the low hanging revenue fruit.

I'll say it, being white and looking "all American" whatever at means is the only way to not get mailed by the police. I feel for minorities being policed by people who do not walk the beat or have any connection to the neighborhood.

Yea, if you are driving around the streets between midnight and 5 AM, you see cops just hoping and working their tales off to bust someone for a DUI. I've been pulled over a few times during this time of night for very minor reasons. All times I was let go, but it is an uneasy feeling. I've been followed countless times for over a mile by a cop just hoping I do something wrong. I don't drink or do any drugs, I am a very safe driver with no tickets. But they see a car at that time of night and they will do anything to get a DUI.

Certainly a mix of many things in the USA. We are a very free and proud people, who does not want the govt. and police in our business. But with the progressive movement of our govt, they are getting more involved in our lives.

Also lots of reports of police doing really bad things, and virtually getting away with it, often times getting paid leave (a paid vacation) and then let back on the force. I wish I could fuck up at my job and get a free paid vacation for it. I can't even get a vacation when I do things the right way.

Not long ago some cop was chasing a suspect and jumped over some fences in people's back yards. He jumped into one yard with a large dog and the dog was about 30 feet away barking and growling, so the cop just shot the dog and kept going. I don't believe he was punished for it at all.

Quote:Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson this morning identified Darren Wilson as the officer who shot and killed an unarmed teenager last Saturday.

Wilson is a 6-year veteran of the force. He was placed on paid administrative leave after the shooting.

Michael Brown, 18, was shot multiple times Saturday afternoon in the 2900 block of Canfield Drive.

The 2014 graduate of Normandy High School was due to start classes at Vatterott College on Monday. His mother, Lesley McSpadden, said her son was walking to his grandmother's when he was gunned down.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro...d9420.html

After anon released a name yesterday, the PD was forced to release this guy's name because the other officer started to receive threats.

The police are now trying to throw in an unrelated robbery in the area to this particular situation that even they won't link Mike Brown to....

Quote:The Ferguson police chief has identified the officer who killed 18-year-old Michael Brown Saturday afternoon.

Chief Thomas Jackson says the officer is Darren Wilson. Wilson is a six year veteran of the police force and has never had disciplinary action.

Jackson says he has received requests for information under the Sunshine Law about a strong-armed robbery that occurred at a convenience store before Brown was killed. He said the convenience store that was robbed was not the QuikTrip that was lit on fire during Sunday night's riot. He did not link Brown to the crime.

http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/201.../14097589/

   

   

It's the 15th gentlemen, anyone want to put down their latest paycheck that these photos are of the same person?

(08-15-2014 10:13 AM)jariel Wrote:  It's the 15th gentlemen, anyone want to put down their latest paycheck that these photos are of the same person?

obviously not Mike Brown

all black people look the same to some people

Robbery suspect on the left, Mike Brown dead in the street on the right, same person?

Ferguson PD has fabricated a story before:

Quote:Police in Ferguson, Missouri, once charged a man with destruction of property for bleeding on their uniforms while four of them allegedly beat him.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20...y-lie.html