Post: #351

Whether its daygame or night game, I think most guys learn game all wrong.

Most guys learn "micro-calibration".

They calibrate and escalate incrementally while looking for positive feedback.

The "positive feedback" you are getting is just women going along with your routine because they are bored. At best they are tolerating it.

The best way to learn game rapidly and getting good really fast is over-escalation. It's what douchebags and entitled guys do.

The reason why this works is because from a hot woman's perspective, every guy she has ever slept with probably over-escalated.

So basically, you end up looking like every Chad she slept with and you put her into auto-pilot compliance mode.

Then she backwards rationalizes "This guy must be a Chad for me to be acting this way."

If you end up gaming women the "PUA" way, you end up looking like the basement dweller who's trying to learn game.

You have to start out as douchey/aggressive/sexual as possible without offending her and then calibrate backwards. Not start of as nice and safe as possible and slowly work your way up. This would take years. And the pickup gurus are counting on it. They want you to think it's a neverending journey.

In reality, you can build momentum in one night and become fully calibrated when it comes to escalating on any woman.

Having said all that, street night game is best for me. Women don't give me the same props for being aggressive in a club because it is a given. And women are usually too reserved in day game. But in street night game, with the right momentum, I can accidentally get laid. The only thing that needs to happen is building enough momentum and then running into a high interest level women and it's like hitting a home run.

Post: #352

(09-12-2018 02:57 PM)masta Wrote:  Whether its daygame or night game, I think most guys learn game all wrong.

Most guys learn "micro-calibration".

They calibrate and escalate incrementally while looking for positive feedback.

The "positive feedback" you are getting is just women going along with your routine because they are bored. At best they are tolerating it.

The best way to learn game rapidly and getting good really fast is over-escalation. It's what douchebags and entitled guys do.

The reason why this works is because from a hot woman's perspective, every guy she has ever slept with probably over-escalated.

So basically, you end up looking like every Chad she slept with and you put her into auto-pilot compliance mode.

Then she backwards rationalizes "This guy must be a Chad for me to be acting this way."

If you end up gaming women the "PUA" way, you end up looking like the basement dweller who's trying to learn game.

You have to start out as douchey/aggressive/sexual as possible without offending her and then calibrate backwards. Not start of as nice and safe as possible and slowly work your way up. This would take years. And the pickup gurus are counting on it. They want you to think it's a neverending journey.

In reality, you can build momentum in one night and become fully calibrated when it comes to escalating on any woman.

Having said all that, street night game is best for me. Women don't give me the same props for being aggressive in a club because it is a given. And women are usually too reserved in day game. But in street night game, with the right momentum, I can accidentally get laid. The only thing that needs to happen is building enough momentum and then running into a high interest level women and it's like hitting a home run.

You have a point there. Most of us will probably benefit from quick 'n' heavy escalation because most of us are "nice" guys by default i.e. not aggressive enough.

The real question here is, is there a chance that a girl likes you but because you come on too strong too soon she will turn off and go cold? Or has she already decided she will sleep with you so all you need to do is escalate fast and not f*ck up in some weird way?

According to all PUA material out there, both types of girl exist. If that's the case then knowing which is which is what's most important. Then you don't waste time when a girl is DTF and similarly you don't jump the gun too fast with a girl that needs some sugaring.

Btw this is a topic for another thread if it doesn't already exist.

Post: #353

(09-12-2018 04:02 PM)Trent W. Wrote:  

(09-12-2018 02:57 PM)masta Wrote:  Whether its daygame or night game, I think most guys learn game all wrong.

Most guys learn "micro-calibration".

They calibrate and escalate incrementally while looking for positive feedback.

The "positive feedback" you are getting is just women going along with your routine because they are bored. At best they are tolerating it.

The best way to learn game rapidly and getting good really fast is over-escalation. It's what douchebags and entitled guys do.

The reason why this works is because from a hot woman's perspective, every guy she has ever slept with probably over-escalated.

So basically, you end up looking like every Chad she slept with and you put her into auto-pilot compliance mode.

Then she backwards rationalizes "This guy must be a Chad for me to be acting this way."

If you end up gaming women the "PUA" way, you end up looking like the basement dweller who's trying to learn game.

You have to start out as douchey/aggressive/sexual as possible without offending her and then calibrate backwards. Not start of as nice and safe as possible and slowly work your way up. This would take years. And the pickup gurus are counting on it. They want you to think it's a neverending journey.

In reality, you can build momentum in one night and become fully calibrated when it comes to escalating on any woman.

Having said all that, street night game is best for me. Women don't give me the same props for being aggressive in a club because it is a given. And women are usually too reserved in day game. But in street night game, with the right momentum, I can accidentally get laid. The only thing that needs to happen is building enough momentum and then running into a high interest level women and it's like hitting a home run.

You have a point there. Most of us will probably benefit from quick 'n' heavy escalation because most of us are "nice" guys by default i.e. not aggressive enough.

The real question here is, is there a chance that a girl likes you but because you come on too strong too soon she will turn off and go cold? Or has she already decided she will sleep with you so all you need to do is escalate fast and not f*ck up in some weird way?

According to all PUA material out there, both types of girl exist. If that's the case then knowing which is which is what's most important. Then you don't waste time when a girl is DTF and similarly you don't jump the gun too fast with a girl that needs some sugaring.

Btw this is a topic for another thread if it doesn't already exist.

For me the key is to act as if I am already her lover, boyfriend, or at least a friend she is sleeping with. Even though I used the word "over-escalation," I don't believe there is such a thing if you are coming from the right frame.

A "natural" simply treats every female like they are part of his harem. Your style might be different from my style. Personally for me, I always have my hand on a woman's lower back within minutes of meeting her. I want to establish physical comfort right away. And I non chalanty talk about other things.

There's only 3 levels of comfort you have to blast your way through. Interaction comfort (some females are shy as hell, which is why I don't do day game much), physical comfort, and sexual comfort.

There are times I would spend all interaction telling her that I appreciate a sexy and smart woman like her with no touching to loosen her up. Even though she is reserved, I want to establish a frame where romance might happen. Other times I would tell a woman I want to show her a magic trick but she has to close her eyes, and then I would go in for the makeout. Other times, I would put her hand on my crotch in a dark corner somewhere.

If you do this enough, you start to develop a sexual vibe after awhile. I've had times where women I've never met before would just come up to me and give me a hug and place their hand on my crotch. Something about my body language gives off the fact that I've been over-escalating for years.

In my experience, it's hard to mess up being too aggressive because number 1, if she is attracted to you, she is probably showing 25% interest when her real interest level might be at 75%. The poker face, dead eye contact, look at you through a reflection, etc. Women hide their attraction to protect their egos.

Haven't you seen a douchebag look like he's completely turning off the woman only to see her going home with him at the very end? She was just frontin.

The rule of thumb is if a woman makes eye contact with you and hasn't run way after your approach, you need to start establishing physical comfort. After physical comfort, it's just acting like her lover. I might spoon her from behind, kiss her neck, rub my crotch on her ass, etc. From afar it looks like we've known each other forever. At that point sex is an afterthought.

This is what fucking "romance" looks like to a woman in her fantasies. Not long and drawn out getting to know you processes.

I've had straight up 10's reject me for not being aggressive enough. I would literally get a sexual window within 10 seconds of introducing myself and I would be shocked and hold back, and then they would have this look of "This guy is a chump" and tell me they have to go to the bathroom. To me, this is way more painful than being a little aggressive and the woman thinking you are a player. Once you are viewed as a chump, it's over.

Observe how much more loose women are at hip hop clubs. The same woman acting loose at a club is the same woman acting all reserve at a bookstore during day game. As long as you set the frame of the sexual escalator, she will act accordingly.

Frame comes from identity. Your identity has to be charming escalator/don juan, whatever. You have to be comfortable living with this identity. Look inwards to see if you still have nice guy beliefs. Most players act with the same level of sexual comfort with women, which is why they get windows so fast.

Post: #354

(09-12-2018 02:57 PM)masta Wrote:  If you end up gaming women the "PUA" way, you end up looking like the basement dweller who's trying to learn game.

You have to start out as douchey/aggressive/sexual as possible without offending her and then calibrate backwards. Not start of as nice and safe as possible and slowly work your way up. This would take years. And the pickup gurus are counting on it. They want you to think it's a neverending journey.

In reality, you can build momentum in one night and become fully calibrated when it comes to escalating on any woman.

Having said all that, street night game is best for me. Women don't give me the same props for being aggressive in a club because it is a given. And women are usually too reserved in day game. But in street night game, with the right momentum, I can accidentally get laid. The only thing that needs to happen is building enough momentum and then running into a high interest level women and it's like hitting a home run.

Solid posts, each man has his own goals for a particular time, but I like your contrarian tone. My emphasis is on your gold. I think you nail it when you realize that most approachers or new practicers want buildup since that's what they are used to, and they want feedback for validation to see they are "doing it right" (as if it's a formula, really). Yours is strong first impression, selection oriented --- with someone who is interested in that type of thing, then smooth it with assume the sale having been a given.

Good shit masta. Doing it will clearly take practice, but going in hard makes the dance statistically better, and much more interesting for her too.

Post: #355

Being more forward and sexual off the bat is fine in street night game (what I call drunk daygame). It's fun, but it 'scares the cat' in the day. Thinking about it, night street game (one on one) is probably my favourite type of game to do. You have alcohol as a social lubricant like in a bar, but without the bitch shield and fat mother hens to navigate around.

I did it a lot in my late teens/early twenties, but never had a name for it, which is probably the best way to be.

Post: #356

haha we call it gutter game. Picking up chicks outside the bars and club.

Post: #357

(09-12-2018 09:21 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  

(09-12-2018 02:57 PM)masta Wrote:  If you end up gaming women the "PUA" way, you end up looking like the basement dweller who's trying to learn game.

You have to start out as douchey/aggressive/sexual as possible without offending her and then calibrate backwards. Not start of as nice and safe as possible and slowly work your way up. This would take years. And the pickup gurus are counting on it. They want you to think it's a neverending journey.

In reality, you can build momentum in one night and become fully calibrated when it comes to escalating on any woman.

Having said all that, street night game is best for me. Women don't give me the same props for being aggressive in a club because it is a given. And women are usually too reserved in day game. But in street night game, with the right momentum, I can accidentally get laid. The only thing that needs to happen is building enough momentum and then running into a high interest level women and it's like hitting a home run.

Solid posts, each man has his own goals for a particular time, but I like your contrarian tone. My emphasis is on your gold. I think you nail it when you realize that most approachers or new practicers want buildup since that's what they are used to, and they want feedback for validation to see they are "doing it right" (as if it's a formula, really). Yours is strong first impression, selection oriented --- with someone who is interested in that type of thing, then smooth it with assume the sale having been a given.

Good shit masta. Doing it will clearly take practice, but going in hard makes the dance statistically better, and much more interesting for her too.

Thanks man. I don't want to derail this thread so this will be my last post on this topic of over-escalating and calibrating backwards.

I grew up with a lot of players. From my perspective, when someone tells you "you need to work on your game," what it means is "Bruh, you over-escalated on every girl. Even though some girls liked it, some of her friends were uncomfortable. You need to learn how to be more discreet man." This is how a player learns game at 14 years old. Once I learned how to be more tactful and discreet, my friends who were popular with girls invited me to more parties/get-togethers, and what not.

The "natural" way to learn game is a bad boy who has to pretend to be nice.
The PUA community (from what I have seen) is nice guys pretending to be bad. It's ass backwards. There is a fundamental difference between these two frames. One gets laid because at his core he is attractive and just needs to iron out his lack of calibration. The other is a square who makes women's pussy dry.

No natural bad boy need anything other than being sexually aggressive and learning how to calibrate backwards. He doesn't need 500 page books or $10,000 seminars. Within his DNA is the blueprint encoded.

But what if you were born a chump? That's why I suggested over-escalation. It puts you into the same mindset as the bad boy. It's like a panacea. It cures everything. Once you have the right mindset, it's just a matter of fine tuning.

Post: #358

^ Haha, born a chump

There are chumps here?

Post: #359

The problem with overescalation has been touched upon in Roosh's new book, and the current violent opposition to him in general, or any genuinely effective advice that actually helps men.

If you are in the Anglosphere and western Europe in particular, you can have an awesome vibe, you can be on a roll, the girls can sense that you are cool, but all it takes is one complaint of the above recommended "overescalation" and you can be charged with sexual assault or worse. If you're cool, granted this is still a low probability event, but do this "overescalation" enough time for the sake of your "game development" and the risk soon becomes considerable. It's a minefield out there. As in financial markets or gambling, the choices you make are dependent on your risk tolerance.

I have had numerous occasions on which a woman has sought me out at the end of the night, or come to find me in other circumstances to tell me that she is leaving, with expectations that I might take things further, but even though they were attractive, I decided against it. If they weren't just "cute" and were instead "Russian models", maybe my dick would have made the choice for me, but in these situations the reward/risk just wasn't worth it. This is in the West. Primarily US and UK. I would argue UK is the absolute worst. Maybe Toronto is worse as a city but even US is relaxed compared to UK in issues of "overescalation".

Life destroying legal ramifications aside, I can see the point that, in general, overescalation will get you more than underescalation if employed across the board, simply because it's daunting to escalate hard. Much easier especially in EE to take things slow. Krauser - and we are talking about day game here so he is highly relevant - actually presents a less, dare I say it, bull in a china shop approach to escalation. Undoubtedly there are occasions where he escalates hard and fast, but only when he has probed for data and the data he receives is to do so. That's calibration. Optimal calibration, in theory, should be just the right amount of escalation you can get away with which brings you closer to the bang, no more, no less. More and you overescalate, less and you underescalate. Both have negative consequences. What level of escalation depends on the entire situation, you, the girl, the atmosphere, but ultimately probes - verbal and physical - will show you Green/Amber/Red, and the more data gathered, ideally as quickly as possible, the closer to optimal escalation and hence bang-conducive escalation you will be performing. Thus you will stand far less chance of being accused of any crime as the girl is far more likely to welcome the more bold end of the spectrum of escalation.

Finally, I would like to point out that physical escalation is the real litmus test. For some polite girls in EE, she will engage you in conversation, even ask you questions, even be attracted, but you can even go to hold her hand incidentally, or touch her shoulder incidentally, or step just a bit further into her personal space gradually, and in all these instances she can recoil. It's not simply scaring the cat, it's that she is unavailable. Girls who are unavailable, especially the polite ones, will largely reject physical probes. Those who passively accept it either are unavailable also but are attracted and love the attention, or they are Maybe girls that you can get. I have had my hands casually brushing beautiful girls' long hair, backs, wide hips, during conversation, and in some cases these girls had boyfriends nearby. They are not entirely closed to the possibility of "adventure sex" with you but with the BF it's logistically very difficult. The only way to find out is physical escalation, needless to say I am more comfortable with fast but still calibrated escalation in EE versus heterosexual male witch hunt countries so most of my recent examples of well received escalation were in EE versus my not even risking it in the US in many cases.

Post: #360

I think it's a skill every man has to learn today
Night game is shit in Australia, and you are at mercy to a lot of factors on online dating

The recent lay i got was from online, but I don't think it will be repeatable often.
I think I need to learn day game

Post: #361

Post: #362

(09-14-2018 03:30 AM)Rorogue Wrote:  I think it's a skill every man has to learn today
Night game is shit in Australia, and you are at mercy to a lot of factors on online dating

The recent lay i got was from online, but I don't think it will be repeatable often.
I think I need to learn day game

This has certainly been my experience over the last few years..

Post: #363

(09-13-2018 10:15 PM)Skank_Hunt Wrote:  The problem with overescalation has been touched upon in Roosh's new book, and the current violent opposition to him in general, or any genuinely effective advice that actually helps men.

If you are in the Anglosphere and western Europe in particular, you can have an awesome vibe, you can be on a roll, the girls can sense that you are cool, but all it takes is one complaint of the above recommended "overescalation" and you can be charged with sexual assault or worse. If you're cool, granted this is still a low probability event, but do this "overescalation" enough time for the sake of your "game development" and the risk soon becomes considerable. It's a minefield out there. As in financial markets or gambling, the choices you make are dependent on your risk tolerance.

Looks like an optimal stopping problem to me.

Post: #364

(09-13-2018 05:18 PM)bojangles Wrote:  haha we call it gutter game. Picking up chicks outside the bars and club.

Ah ha yeah, I knew there was a proper term for it but it slipped my mind. Another benefit I forgot to point out is there's no loud music that you need to shout over.

Post: #365

(09-12-2018 07:12 PM)masta Wrote:  For me the key is to act as if I am already her lover, boyfriend, or at least a friend she is sleeping with.

[...]

PUAs call that "assume familiarity" and "assume attraction". If there is one thing that will give you the chance to escalate quickly, it's that in my opinion.

(09-12-2018 07:12 PM)masta Wrote:  There's only 3 levels of comfort you have to blast your way through. Interaction comfort (some females are shy as hell, which is why I don't do day game much), physical comfort, and sexual comfort.

[...]

I like the trichotomy. As for shy girls in daygame, you just wrap up the interaction and continue. I personally don't think that a very shy girl during the day becomes a crazy party girl during the night. Of course she loosens up, but there's an in-between gray area. I get your point though.

(09-12-2018 07:12 PM)masta Wrote:  Haven't you seen a douchebag look like he's completely turning off the woman only to see her going home with him at the very end? She was just frontin.

Definitely.

(09-12-2018 07:12 PM)masta Wrote:  I've had straight up 10's reject me for not being aggressive enough. I would literally get a sexual window within 10 seconds of introducing myself and I would be shocked and hold back, and then they would have this look of "This guy is a chump" and tell me they have to go to the bathroom. To me, this is way more painful than being a little aggressive and the woman thinking you are a player. Once you are viewed as a chump, it's over.

[...]

Err on the side of aggression. Nothing worse than losing because you didn't pull the trigger. As a reminder to myself I use to say "If you don't do it, someone else will". Even if you get rejected you will be calm knowing you went for it.

(09-12-2018 07:12 PM)masta Wrote:  Frame comes from identity. Your identity has to be charming escalator/don juan, whatever. You have to be comfortable living with this identity. Look inwards to see if you still have nice guy beliefs. Most players act with the same level of sexual comfort with women, which is why they get windows so fast.

Identity is key, yes. I suppose that most of us in this forum shaped a nice guy identity and that's partly what drove us into game. I guess when you become advanced your identify transforms, that's why some things work for an advanced guy and not for a beginner. It's not the what, it's the how. Women can smell it on you if you're the guy that doesn't give a sh*t and has women in his life, that escalation for you is something you do and they're ok with it.

Post: #366

The best game without fame or cash is niche game.End of story.
Be it Bouncer bar man DJ etc.I know DJs in their late 40s who fuck up to 100 girls a year here in Oz.

DTF tourist in places like Spain fuck the barman.They'll fuck you too

I always crack up reading about dudes sharpening their daygame skill in EE..When they could of got paid to daygame in Western Europe in the form of niche game.Scandi, Brit Western euro chicks and EE girls in places like the Costa Brava.

Use your daygame skills working in promotions for a bar or club in a Euro beach area.Get paid to approach 200 chicks a day along the beach .Most chicks being dtf on holiday.Arrange to meet them all in your bar/club..chicks want to compete.

I did this in my 20s but it wasn't a skill for me it was just my job.Pussy was on tap and I got paid for it..

The Brit daygamers will talk you out of it as you will be dealing with Brits at the beach.Young Yanks Aussies Etc should do it.Don't collect flags become the FLAG..

I suggest older Yank Aussie daygamers steer towards where the upmarket Brits Scandi holiday girls are ,not away.You too are a flag.

The Brits are weak at the beach plus they are dealing with Brit wealth Brit Alphas and Brit class culture.It's not smart for them to be at the beach.They are just another Brit there
Aussies Nth Americans get a pass..

Post: #367

(09-19-2018 05:32 AM)Green-On-GO Wrote:  The best game without fame or cash is niche game.End of story.
Be it Bouncer bar man DJ etc.I know DJs in their late 40s who fuck up to 100 girls a year here in Oz.

DTF tourist in places like Spain fuck the barman.They'll fuck you too

I always crack up reading about dudes sharpening their daygame skill in EE..When they could of got paid to daygame in Western Europe in the form of niche game.Scandi, Brit Western euro chicks and EE girls in places like the Costa Brava.

Use your daygame skills working in promotions for a bar or club in a Euro beach area.Get paid to approach 200 chicks a day along the beach .Most chicks being dtf on holiday.Arrange to meet them all in your bar/club..chicks want to compete.

I did this in my 20s but it wasn't a skill for me it was just my job.Pussy was on tap and I got paid for it..

The Brit daygamers will talk you out of it as you will be dealing with Brits at the beach.Young Yanks Aussies Etc should do it.Don't collect flags become the FLAG..

I suggest older Yank Aussie daygamers steer towards where the upmarket Brits Scandi holiday girls are ,not away.You too are a flag.

The Brits are weak at the beach plus they are dealing with Brit wealth Brit Alphas and Brit class culture.It's not smart for them to be at the beach.They are just another Brit there
Aussies Nth Americans get a pass..

This reminds why all the personal trainers at most gyms got in the business probably in the first place.

Post: #368

(09-19-2018 05:32 AM)Green-On-GO Wrote:  The best game without fame or cash is niche game.End of story.
Be it Bouncer bar man DJ etc.I know DJs in their late 40s who fuck up to 100 girls a year here in Oz.

DTF tourist in places like Spain fuck the barman.They'll fuck you too

I always crack up reading about dudes sharpening their daygame skill in EE..When they could of got paid to daygame in Western Europe in the form of niche game.Scandi, Brit Western euro chicks and EE girls in places like the Costa Brava.

Use your daygame skills working in promotions for a bar or club in a Euro beach area.Get paid to approach 200 chicks a day along the beach .Most chicks being dtf on holiday.Arrange to meet them all in your bar/club..chicks want to compete.

I did this in my 20s but it wasn't a skill for me it was just my job.Pussy was on tap and I got paid for it..

The Brit daygamers will talk you out of it as you will be dealing with Brits at the beach.Young Yanks Aussies Etc should do it.Don't collect flags become the FLAG..

I suggest older Yank Aussie daygamers steer towards where the upmarket Brits Scandi holiday girls are ,not away.You too are a flag.

The Brits are weak at the beach plus they are dealing with Brit wealth Brit Alphas and Brit class culture.It's not smart for them to be at the beach.They are just another Brit there
Aussies Nth Americans get a pass..

From my recent holiday experience on an island I can attest that every guy who works at or for a bar on the party street does 50% work and 50% picking up. Not pulling every night but they have a lot of time and easy access.

Still, daygame is daygame.

Post: #369

You want to grab coffee with some incredibly gorgeous women in NYC? Daygame is your answer, there's a Starbucks on every corner and she was probably headed there anyway.

Pro tip: Hit the SBUX outside the modeling agencies/VS/fashion labels. The sights can be quite stunning.

Post: #370

I keep finding mself watching Hustle's vids everytime I think of 'daygame'. Hadn't seen this one before, but another attractive young forreign girl. He's often talking about his 'model' etc, but I find myself looking at his vids tihnking 'he's just having a conversation. There;s nothing really 'special'. All girls just seem to be into him. I really wanna see his face lol

Post: #371

I would agree that niche game is the best return on your investment. I used to call it social circle game but come to think of it, it's more like niche game. I actually discovered it by accidentally when I used to work at victoria secret. I was getting rejected left and right in both night game and day game, yet women at work were throwing themselves at me, acting like my validation was currency. I couldn't understand the huge discrepancy.

When I told all of my "pua" friends about what i thought at the time was "social circle" game, I was told that I was weak, needed to man up, become more masculine, get rejected more, etc. I was like "Guys, you don't understand, I am getting laid with 8's with no effort while 6's are rejecting me in the clubs. If you were me, what would you do? Find a social circle with a lot of hot women and having them compete for your validation or go to a club where women have all the power?"

Some of the things I discovered in niche game are the following:

1) As a guy, you just need to be a 6 or above for your validation to have any worth

2) Women will take some time to warm up to you if they know they will see you again

3) Women will give you an excuse to hang out with them that does not mention sex (but intend to sleep with you
regardless). Any excuse to be alone will lead to sex.

4) Women who are 8's, 9's, and 10's do not act entitle. A social circle closely resembles a patriarchy where the one male is the king and the women are his spoils. This is the natural order of things. A small social community is the best place for a guy to rake. Just because society has advanced to give women all the power, it does not mean they suddenly forgot how to submit when they are in their natural environment (patriarchal circle).

5) Because women are in a patriarchal environment, they behave accordingly. They supplicate to the king. They need his validation. They do not play games because they know they risk being the odd one who is left out.

6) Women are the real seducers. The king does not seduce. He chooses. The reason why women choose and men seduce in nightclubs is because they closely resemble a matriarchy where everything caters to the Queen Bee.

7) When you are the king, there is no such thing as walking on eggshells or getting blown out because you "mis-calibrated." Your value does not fluctuate. This is a PUA community lie because it is based on cold approaching, where women have no idea what your status is. In a patriarchy, your status is set in stone until another alpha dethrones you. Women do not have the power to de-validate or dethrone you. Unless somehow all the women banded together to turn the patriarchal circle into a matriarchy. But that would be impossible because if you were one of the only males in the circle, by principle they need your validation. The only way for women to win is if suddenly the niche circle was over-flooded with men (modern day society).

8)It is almost impossible to lose in a niche circle. You can even be an abusive king and the women would take it. They would simply yearn for a more righteous king but they will still submit to the current king.

9)If you find a niche where you are the king and you are surrounded by women, there is no GAME. The women are needy for your validation and will try to seduce you by inviting you to dinner, try to cook for you, tell you about a movie they've been dying to see, etc. They will all compete for you and do not care if you are seeing other women as long as they are part of your harem. Part of being a king is having an automatic harem.

Since my experience in niche game, I've done other things like take yoga classes, take dance classes, rock climbing, wine tasting, etc. I even had a friend who owned an art gallery and we would approach women and give out flyers. Our art openings would have like 95% women.

Cold approaching is archaic because most women operate in tribes. Cold approach is only possible because a woman does not know your status and you can use "game" to demonstrate your status. But in a social circle environment, your status is set in stone. Cold approaching with no social life will actually mess you you because you don't realize the power and status you actually have in a social circle environment if you were the king.

So what happened when my frame corrected itself and I started coming from a place of abundance and started "cold approaching" again? This is what happened:

1) I spent most of my time yelling at women. I couldn't believe how entitled the 6's and 7's were in the night clubs. I simply did not get a long with them. Most of my interactions were me tooling women and putting them in their place.

2) I blew myself out with a lot of 8's+ too because I was used to women gaming me and trying to get my validation that I neglected to escalate on windows like I normally would.

3) I got banned from a couple of bars because I was so entitled that I would over-escalate on certain women that I was certain gave me an IOI. In my kingdom, I can do whatever I want. But outside my kingdom, my transgressions were punishable.

4) For the most part, my entitlement made me mis-calibrate with a lot of women. On one hand, I was getting 8's in my niche. But on another hand, lesser attractive women out in the marketplace wanted me to serve them. There was a conflict of interest.

5) I completely lost my will to cold approach until I finally lost my niche. The human brain is set to energy conservation mode. You cannot be swimming in abundance and still have the WILL to go out and do hundreds of approaches and put up with bratty women.

So there you have it. A guy with absolute abundance does not get along with a lot of women in the nightclubs. It's like a patriarchal environment vs a matriarchal environment. In my experience, niche game is far superior and closely resembles the "natural order of things" more so then cold approach.

Having said all that, I still LOVE street game at night. It's like playstation only that the rewards are makeouts, fingerbangs, and lays. And let's face it, as men, we love the challenge. For all of its flaws, cold approaching is still the most fun game in town.

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Hi NTP.

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(09-21-2018 02:03 PM)masta Wrote:  9)If you find a niche where you are the king and you are surrounded by women, there is no GAME. The women are needy for your validation and will try to seduce you by inviting you to dinner, try to cook for you, tell you about a movie they've been dying to see, etc. They will all compete for you and do not care if you are seeing other women as long as they are part of your harem. Part of being a king is having an automatic harem.

As long as you're a king you'll do just fine, can't fault that logic. Oh, one moment, I see a problem on the horizon, there's, at most, one king per country.

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(09-20-2018 03:22 PM)subterfuge Wrote:  I keep finding mself watching Hustle's vids everytime I think of 'daygame'. Hadn't seen this one before, but another attractive young forreign girl. He's often talking about his 'model' etc, but I find myself looking at his vids tihnking 'he's just having a conversation. There;s nothing really 'special'. All girls just seem to be into him. I really wanna see his face lol

I've seen his face. He's looking quite good but that's not the reason for his success. He's just charismatic.
The funny thing is: daygame shouldn't be something special. Daygame should be something normal.

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(09-20-2018 03:22 PM)subterfuge Wrote:  



I keep finding mself watching Hustle's vids everytime I think of 'daygame'. Hadn't seen this one before, but another attractive young forreign girl. He's often talking about his 'model' etc, but I find myself looking at his vids tihnking 'he's just having a conversation. There;s nothing really 'special'. All girls just seem to be into him. I really wanna see his face lol

Actually, I recently sent the links to a three set (Approach, 1st Date, 2nd Date) video of this guy to another forum member as we'd been discussing it. I'm pretty impressed to be honest exactly because he makes it like 'he's having a conversation'.

1. https://youtu.be/ZPQC652IG3c

2. https://youtu.be/zc-IzztXWQM

3. https://youtu.be/B3Uf32Ix-gY


The approach is in video format but the other two vids are audio only. What gets me is that in this vid he's pulling a girl that I would consider a typical 'difficult London girl'. She's Lebanese but she's no tourist. She has the typical narcisstic qualities seen so often in the high-flyer girls of the city that have ambitions probably way above their competence. And she doesn't appear to be very young and impressionable, I'm guessing mid to late 20's.

I know this type of women and, all in all, I would consider this a difficult girl to pull. Perhaps more so than the model/actress types (but maybe others would disagree).

The last two videos I consider pretty genius. He leads the conversation beautifully. 2nd date is all about comfort and DHV, the 3rd date he's just pushing for the sexual escalation.

But one thing: I just don't get the first approach video. It's a little beyond me. It just seems incredible to me that he was able to get this girl to go on a mini-date with him so quickly and how he escalated the kino to such an extent within seconds of the set. In London daygame? With a girl like this?

I just wonder if in that first approach he just lucked out and she was simply in the right mood to be opened. But if there's a better explanation, I'd love to hear a break down and learn something.