Post: #376

It could be his looks? None of us will ever know without asking the girls in the infields.
My best friend can get results like Tony's and he doesn't have game, but he is as handsome as hell lol.

His 'model' only works if she's into you. He describes it as 'attraction through escalation' but that only works if she's 'into you'. Jabba the hut trying to get all sexual and physical with a hot girl after opening her on the street doesn't make her want him more. Attempts at escalation will creep her out instead of building attraction

He also thinks he's get's attraction with his 'attraction material' such as making cold reads ''You look like you do something creative'' etc, but in the sets where he gets rejected, this doesn't help him. It makes me think that when he pulls, he's getting girls in spite of his 'game' (such as cold reads etc) and not 'because' of it, if that makes sense. In other words, if a girl thinks you are hot, anything will 'work', basically.

One thing I will say in support of him though is that he is good at carrying a conversation and he is also good at making girls laugh with his little one liners etc, but this isn't (and probably can't be!) taught, to be honest. It's just his quick mind/personality etc

Post: #377

(09-22-2018 05:43 AM)subterfuge Wrote:  It could be his looks? None of us will ever know without asking the girls in the infields.
My best friend can get results like Tony's and he doesn't have game, but he is as handsome as hell lol.

His 'model' only works if she's into you. He describes it as 'attraction through escalation' but that only works if she's 'into you'. Jabba the hut trying to get all sexual and physical with a hot girl after opening her on the street doesn't make her want him more. Attempts at escalation will creep her out instead of building attraction

He also thinks he's get's attraction with his 'attraction material' such as making cold reads ''You look like you do something creative'' etc, but in the sets where he gets rejected, this doesn't help him. It makes me think that when he pulls, he's getting girls in spite of his 'game' (such as cold reads etc) and not 'because' of it, if that makes sense. In other words, if a girl thinks you are hot, anything will 'work', basically.

One thing I will say in support of him though is that he is good at carrying a conversation and he is also good at making girls laugh with his little one liners etc, but this isn't (and probably can't be!) taught, to be honest. It's just his quick mind/personality etc

In the 2nd and 3rd date I can see game at work, personally. He's very careful about how the conversation moves. He callibrates his responses apparently in a concious way and it's almost possible to see his thought process in action.

It's possible that looks are a factor in his approaches though, so you may be right. In the video I've linked, he doesn't appear to be amazingly well-dressed but there might be details that we're missing. He may, for example, be wearing a rolex which would definitely influence a girl like that lebanese in the video. She's exactly the type that would notice such a thing.

He also has other status markers: good job, a flat near St. James Park and post-grad degree which certainly don't hurt.

Post: #378

Yeah, I know he's an extremely clever dude with a very well paid job and stuff, although to be honest I don't think he really uses this to get girls if i'm honest

One of my favourite infields of his is the Brit teenager, because I can relate to it the most. Brit girls are the hardest in my experience! She's the type of girl who rejects me 99% of the time lol. She even rejects Tony initially, although in his case, I feel is was due to her being uneasy about being approached and it was like probably the first time it's ever happened to her, as opposed to a lack of attraction. (i'd wager she thought he was good looking)

He seemed to 'hook' her with fairly boring conversation about her uni course and stuff.

His 'attraction' material didn't seem to 'land' at all with her (listen to her responese to his cold reads and stuff. She sounds like she's trying to get away from him)

I feel like he managed to buy himself enough time in order for her to feel relaxed at which point she decided to give him a chance due to probably being somewhat into him. (which was initially outweighed by her initial anxiety towards being cold approached)

Dunno. I found it an interesting infield. I always imagine what I would have said to try to carry the convo when she seemingly didn't want to talk.

Wasn't until about 4:30 when he said that he liked her and that she seemed down to earth that she actually 'hooked' somewhat

I can also tell even with the grainy footage and face blur that she is definitely my type, so i'm jealous! lol

Post: #379

I'd seen this video!

I think the conclusion that we can draw is that he's not ugly for sure. He's clearly in shape, wears decent clothes and looks younger than he is. But no matter how good looking he is he could easily have fucked this one up.

In terms of game: he's managing (with difficulty, I admit) to keep his frame whilst still playing the role of the 'older male seducer'. He persisted despite knockbacks that would have sent a lot of us crying in the corner. An indicator of inner game perhaps? He also calibrated enough to be sexual but not aggresive. He also dropped in a few lines such as 'some women like older men' which she rejected initially but undoubtedly got her hamster spinning. He understood that she was submissive and that he needed to push, which is evident in the text game. This is how I'm seeing it, anyway.

I think even a male model could have lost this set if you take into account the age difference and the boyfriend if he didn't have some game.

Saying that, he got the date but he may not have got the bang.

Post: #380

(09-22-2018 06:36 AM)subterfuge Wrote:  Yeah, I know he's an extremely clever dude with a very well paid job and stuff, although to be honest I don't think he really uses this to get girls if i'm honest

One of my favourite infields of his is the Brit teenager, because I can relate to it the most. Brit girls are the hardest in my experience! She's the type of girl who rejects me 99% of the time lol. She even rejects Tony initially, although in his case, I feel is was due to her being uneasy about being approached and it was like probably the first time it's ever happened to her, as opposed to a lack of attraction. (i'd wager she thought he was good looking)

Brits are the hardest if you are British....

Brits are cunts to each other unless from the same area and even then maybe.

Brit dudes have to get over regional accent and social class more than anyone I reckon.Almost like the Indian caste system.

To me a Pom with game isn't the ones doing EE but the lower class lads fucking above their class.

I worked with upper and lower class Brits in Spain and UK.Upper class Brits can bang lower class Brit girls till the cows come home.This is never discussed..I've seen the biggest upper class beta slay on accent alone with Brit girls.The lower class Brit girl throws herself at him behind the back of men in her class.Hypergamey??

Lower class lads have the work cut out unless they are super Brit Alpha..again Steve Jabba types.

It's the reason Brit daygamers have the Anglosphere sucked into not gaming in Brit dominated areas in coastal Europe.There is a bias. I'm not knocking it cause guys will go where they get the best reception.
This Tony Hustle dude does not sound British.

Also Brits have said to me they would rather employ me over another Brit...Weird..North vs South etc etc.This shit comes into play for Brit lads.

Sth Euro birds have also told me the best looking men in Europe are the English..

I never knew about class until I went to the UK

Post: #381

(09-22-2018 05:03 AM)Dr. Daygame Wrote:  The funny thing is: daygame shouldn't be something special. Daygame should be something normal.

You, sir, make no sense.

Post: #382

(09-22-2018 05:03 AM)Dr. Daygame Wrote:  The funny thing is: daygame shouldn't be something special. Daygame should be something normal.

We live in the world as it is, not as it ought to be.

And in the world as it is, hundreds of thousands of years of evolution came to the conclusion that it is definitely not normal, and for the most part a losing strategy.

What men call approach anxiety is in fact their body's ancient evolutionary programming trying to ensure their survival.

It's hardwired, very much like the fear of heights, the fear of deep open water and the darkness, and the big things with lots of teeth that might lurk in it.

Even back in the old days of game, Mystery was already aware of that for example.

That's why what we call daygame is special, why it works, and will continue to do so in the foreseeable future.

Post: #383

(09-22-2018 05:43 AM)subterfuge Wrote:  [...]

He also thinks he's get's attraction with his 'attraction material' such as making cold reads ''You look like you do something creative'' etc, but in the sets where he gets rejected, this doesn't help him. It makes me think that when he pulls, he's getting girls in spite of his 'game' (such as cold reads etc) and not 'because' of it, if that makes sense. In other words, if a girl thinks you are hot, anything will 'work', basically.

One thing I will say in support of him though is that he is good at carrying a conversation and he is also good at making girls laugh with his little one liners etc, but this isn't (and probably can't be!) taught, to be honest. It's just his quick mind/personality etc

Game only works with girls that are somewhat attracted to you. Either "green light" girls who are DTF and you need to not f*ck it up or "yellow light" girls where it's 50-50. And that latter case is where you need to game well. You may have the best game in the world, witty banter, physical escalation on point but if the girl is one of those that do not see you as a potential partner it just won't happen. I should say here that often it's a matter of timing; the same girl might respond differently in different periods of her life when you meet her.

I haven't watched the videos but regarding the one-liners and personality, of course you can be taught to have good comebacks and creative conversations. That's pretty much improvisational comedy. Easier for some than others, but anybody can get better.

Post: #384

(09-23-2018 06:30 AM)Belgrano Wrote:  And in the world as it is, hundreds of thousands of years of evolution came to the conclusion that it is definitely not normal, and for the most part a losing strategy.

What men call approach anxiety is in fact their body's ancient evolutionary programming trying to ensure their survival.

It's hardwired, very much like the fear of heights, the fear of deep open water and the darkness, and the big things with lots of teeth that might lurk in it.

Even back in the old days of game, Mystery was already aware of that for example.

Krauser has already written that AA is caused by narcissism and low self-esteem, not evolution.

Post: #385

(09-22-2018 07:10 AM)Sender Wrote:  I'd seen this video!

I think the conclusion that we can draw is that he's not ugly for sure. He's clearly in shape, wears decent clothes and looks younger than he is. But no matter how good looking he is he could easily have fucked this one up.

In terms of game: he's managing (with difficulty, I admit) to keep his frame whilst still playing the role of the 'older male seducer'. He persisted despite knockbacks that would have sent a lot of us crying in the corner. An indicator of inner game perhaps? He also calibrated enough to be sexual but not aggresive. He also dropped in a few lines such as 'some women like older men' which she rejected initially but undoubtedly got her hamster spinning. He understood that she was submissive and that he needed to push, which is evident in the text game. This is how I'm seeing it, anyway.

I think even a male model could have lost this set if you take into account the age difference and the boyfriend if he didn't have some game.

Saying that, he got the date but he may not have got the bang.

There's a video where his face dips in and out of the graphic mask, briefly, while he's talking to a girl. He's probably above average facially. I'm surprised he didn't re-edit.

Post: #386

(09-22-2018 06:36 AM)subterfuge Wrote:  Yeah, I know he's an extremely clever dude with a very well paid job and stuff, although to be honest I don't think he really uses this to get girls if i'm honest

One of my favourite infields of his is the Brit teenager, because I can relate to it the most. Brit girls are the hardest in my experience! She's the type of girl who rejects me 99% of the time lol. She even rejects Tony initially, although in his case, I feel is was due to her being uneasy about being approached and it was like probably the first time it's ever happened to her, as opposed to a lack of attraction. (i'd wager she thought he was good looking)

He seemed to 'hook' her with fairly boring conversation about her uni course and stuff.

His 'attraction' material didn't seem to 'land' at all with her (listen to her responese to his cold reads and stuff. She sounds like she's trying to get away from him)

I feel like he managed to buy himself enough time in order for her to feel relaxed at which point she decided to give him a chance due to probably being somewhat into him. (which was initially outweighed by her initial anxiety towards being cold approached)

Dunno. I found it an interesting infield. I always imagine what I would have said to try to carry the convo when she seemingly didn't want to talk.

Wasn't until about 4:30 when he said that he liked her and that she seemed down to earth that she actually 'hooked' somewhat

I can also tell even with the grainy footage and face blur that she is definitely my type, so i'm jealous! lol

I almost fell asleep watching it. I have no idea how he apparently with this mundane chit-chat SDLs (playboy) models. Subterfuge, you won't learn anything from it. Rather, watch Daygame Overkill.

Post: #387

(09-24-2018 01:46 PM)ksbms Wrote:  

(09-22-2018 06:36 AM)subterfuge Wrote:  Yeah, I know he's an extremely clever dude with a very well paid job and stuff, although to be honest I don't think he really uses this to get girls if i'm honest

One of my favourite infields of his is the Brit teenager, because I can relate to it the most. Brit girls are the hardest in my experience! She's the type of girl who rejects me 99% of the time lol. She even rejects Tony initially, although in his case, I feel is was due to her being uneasy about being approached and it was like probably the first time it's ever happened to her, as opposed to a lack of attraction. (i'd wager she thought he was good looking)

He seemed to 'hook' her with fairly boring conversation about her uni course and stuff.

His 'attraction' material didn't seem to 'land' at all with her (listen to her responese to his cold reads and stuff. She sounds like she's trying to get away from him)

I feel like he managed to buy himself enough time in order for her to feel relaxed at which point she decided to give him a chance due to probably being somewhat into him. (which was initially outweighed by her initial anxiety towards being cold approached)

Dunno. I found it an interesting infield. I always imagine what I would have said to try to carry the convo when she seemingly didn't want to talk.

Wasn't until about 4:30 when he said that he liked her and that she seemed down to earth that she actually 'hooked' somewhat

I can also tell even with the grainy footage and face blur that she is definitely my type, so i'm jealous! lol

I almost fell asleep watching it. I have no idea how he apparently with this mundane chit-chat SDLs (playboy) models. Subterfuge, you won't learn anything from it. Rather, watch Daygame Overkill.

Don't know who Daygame Overkill is... but from Torrero to Krauser to Jenka to Sasha... they all somewhat in their own style teach about the fine balance between being a Goof to an Attractive Fun Dude off the bat. Boring but interesting beats exciting in Daygame anytime due to the latter increasing the chance of Buyers Remorse after you're gone. Same with a makout B4 going to an insta-date! Of course exception exist... but they're very very rare!

Post: #388

Has anyone met him?

Tony?

Post: #389

Is the guy in the video trying to be a PUA ?
He sounds terrible: Yeaaa?...Yeaaa?"...Yeaaa?
The jokes sound canned as fuck, no difference in tonality, no smile. Too much time spent on the age difference, just drop a joke or a neg and move on. Instead he started rambling and made a big deal out of it. By the end of the conversation you can tell that the girl is trying to run away as fast as possible, no connection whatsoever...Not to bash him too hard, it takes balls to approach but I wouldn't post that video if I were him.

I'm 1/3 through Roosh's new book and still haven't reached the juicy bits. Nothing about day game so far and too much commentary about how dating has changed bla bla...can easily be skipped. It's more like an introduction to game for people who haven't heard of it.
I saw a video of Roosh a while back saying that his first books Bang and Day Game were good for 10 years or something. As if now they're not useful anymore. It's not like we're talking a different language, game has been the same since Mystery Method. The concepts in that book are still being regurgitated by PUAs almost 20 years later. There is a pdf floating around the internet called Mystery Method Advanced which compiles all the stuff on Mystery's forum from way back and it's 1000 pages of pure gold.

Post: #390

Daygame just feels weird, and intrusive, but i prefer it the most. I am weird lol

I hate social circle, i hate the social dynamics of nightclubs, and i hate online dating because of texting.

I naturally just prefer one on one conversations, being in the moment with someone else. In daygame, i have the best chance at doing this.

The thing i hate most about it is just feeling like a weirdo frequenting locations that are meant for peace, or errands.. and here i am trying to pull some ass. Whatever tho

Post: #391

Like I said Niche game is the best.Get paid to daygame.

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Post: #392

I dedicate this post to Subterfuge.

Adam is getting better and better hanging out with SA guys. He really does shine in this video, and it's a day and night between him and Tony Hustle (and what is it with him having his face covered? I actually don't accept - if you position yourself as a pro-level instructor, there's no space for that).

I like Adam's works. He doesn't have that firing on all cylinders energy of Richard's but he's good. He's fun, confident, relaxed, conversations flow naturally and he does the qualification for most of the time as smoothly as heat clarifies the unsalted butter. It's still uneven, sometimes better, sometimes worse (and doubt the've chosen the best recordings anyway) but it does look to me very genuine and credible. That's how to do daygame/gutter game at solid intermediate level (which is still ahead of me, no doubt about it).

Post: #393

The Street Attraction guys are really good, especially Eddie and Richard — if you're British and in your 20s and want to learn daygame, they should be your go-to guys. Krauser's a legend and all that, but 22 year olds shouldn't be taking all their advice from someone pushing 45. Even if your targets are the same age, there's a totally different dynamic going on.

That said, what's up with the Street Attraction guys' accents? They all have this weird dialect — the Brits on here will know what I'm picking up on. Maybe they've all picked it up from Eddie? What's interesting is that none of the English girls they talk to have it — including the ones who are clearly from the South East. And none of the people I know from here and IRL who grew up in London have it either. It's like some weird Ali G thing — it genuinely throws me off and irritates me!

Post: #394

(09-30-2018 02:40 AM)Teedub Wrote:  The Street Attraction guys are really good, especially Eddie and Richard — if you're British and in your 20s and want to learn daygame, they should be your go-to guys. Krauser's a legend and all that, but 22 year olds shouldn't be taking all their advice from someone pushing 45. Even if your targets are the same age, there's a totally different dynamic going on.

Really? I take roughly all my advice from Krauser. What could go wrong?

Post: #395

(09-30-2018 02:40 AM)Teedub Wrote:  The Street Attraction guys are really good, especially Eddie and Richard — if you're British and in your 20s and want to learn daygame, they should be your go-to guys. Krauser's a legend and all that, but 22 year olds shouldn't be taking all their advice from someone pushing 45. Even if your targets are the same age, there's a totally different dynamic going on.

That said, what's up with the Street Attraction guys' accents? They all have this weird dialect — the Brits on here will know what I'm picking up on. Maybe they've all picked it up from Eddie? What's interesting is that none of the English girls they talk to have it — including the ones who are clearly from the South East. And none of the people I know from here and IRL who grew up in London have it either. It's like some weird Ali G thing — it genuinely throws me off and irritates me!

I noticed that too. Not sure about Eddie or Adam but Richard's got either both or one Polish parent.

Post: #396

(09-30-2018 04:53 AM)ksbms Wrote:  

(09-30-2018 02:40 AM)Teedub Wrote:  The Street Attraction guys are really good, especially Eddie and Richard — if you're British and in your 20s and want to learn daygame, they should be your go-to guys. Krauser's a legend and all that, but 22 year olds shouldn't be taking all their advice from someone pushing 45. Even if your targets are the same age, there's a totally different dynamic going on.

That said, what's up with the Street Attraction guys' accents? They all have this weird dialect — the Brits on here will know what I'm picking up on. Maybe they've all picked it up from Eddie? What's interesting is that none of the English girls they talk to have it — including the ones who are clearly from the South East. And none of the people I know from here and IRL who grew up in London have it either. It's like some weird Ali G thing — it genuinely throws me off and irritates me!

I noticed that too. Not sure about Eddie or Adam but Richard's got either both or one Polish parent.

At that threat of triggering some folks, I think it's a slightly autistic ("speak SLOW when doing London Day Game") version of MLE or 'Jafacian':

Post: #397

(09-30-2018 03:14 AM)The Catalyst Wrote:  

(09-30-2018 02:40 AM)Teedub Wrote:  The Street Attraction guys are really good, especially Eddie and Richard — if you're British and in your 20s and want to learn daygame, they should be your go-to guys. Krauser's a legend and all that, but 22 year olds shouldn't be taking all their advice from someone pushing 45. Even if your targets are the same age, there's a totally different dynamic going on.

Really? I take roughly all my advice from Krauser. What could go wrong?

I'm not saying it's wrong — Daygame Overkill is basically the model I use, but slightly more "k-selected" in the investment stage if you want to get geeky. And, of course the SA guys are heavily influenced by Krauser. All I'm saying is if I were in my early 20s I'd be watching them rather than him because they bring a youthful energy he doesn't have. But I did qualify it by saying "all" their advice, there's still lots a 22 year old can learn from Nick.

They also go for English girls regularly, which lets face it, most people are going to be approaching because they can't live abroad and live outside of London. Krauser et al don't do that because A) They don't have to B) Because age differences that large (over 20 years in Krauser's case if he's hitting on girls early-mid twenties) are incredibly difficult to navigate in the Anglosphere. Therefore, for people in that situation it makes sense to watch SA's videos. I mean, Eddie's main product 'Approach to Lay' is him with an 18 year old English girl in London and I think he's late 20s/early 30s at the time of filming (edit: he was 29 - and he told her, I recommend watching that link, it's great but not the full thing - which I also have). That's more relevant to most people interested in game than a Serbian chick in Belgrade or whatever.

(09-30-2018 04:53 AM)ksbms Wrote:  I noticed that too. Not sure about Eddie or Adam but Richard's got either both or one Polish parent.

I think both of his parents are Polish, and his name is actually Ryszard if I remember rightly. He's mentioned it before, or alluded to it.

(09-30-2018 05:10 AM)Sender Wrote:  At that threat of triggering some folks, I think it's a slightly autistic ("speak SLOW when doing London Day Game") version of MLE or 'Jafacian':

Yeah, it's definitely got aspects of the MLE accent. It's just a quirk that irritates me, it wouldn't surprise me if it comes from Eddie since Richard sees him as a big brother figure and perhaps initially emulated him and it's since become his actual accent. I'm just speculating and it's not a big deal in any case!

Post: #398

(09-30-2018 06:19 AM)Teedub Wrote:  

(09-30-2018 03:14 AM)The Catalyst Wrote:  

(09-30-2018 02:40 AM)Teedub Wrote:  The Street Attraction guys are really good, especially Eddie and Richard — if you're British and in your 20s and want to learn daygame, they should be your go-to guys. Krauser's a legend and all that, but 22 year olds shouldn't be taking all their advice from someone pushing 45. Even if your targets are the same age, there's a totally different dynamic going on.

Really? I take roughly all my advice from Krauser. What could go wrong?

I'm not saying it's wrong — Daygame Overkill is basically the model I use, but slightly more "k-selected" in the investment stage if you want to get geeky. And, of course the SA guys are heavily influenced by Krauser. All I'm saying is if I were in my early 20s I'd be watching them rather than him because they bring a youthful energy he doesn't have. But I did qualify it by saying "all" their advice, there's still lots a 22 year old can learn from Nick.

Wow, that might be where I am going wrong. My game is probably even more K selected than Nick's.

Post: #399

One thing I will say about watching videos of daygamers that you just can't workout - you're basically seeing red flags and ignoring them. Trust your instinct, your gut isn't wrong, there's plenty who are faking it to make it - jmulv being a recent fraud.

Post: #400

(09-30-2018 12:53 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  

(09-30-2018 06:19 AM)Teedub Wrote:  

(09-30-2018 03:14 AM)The Catalyst Wrote:  

(09-30-2018 02:40 AM)Teedub Wrote:  The Street Attraction guys are really good, especially Eddie and Richard — if you're British and in your 20s and want to learn daygame, they should be your go-to guys. Krauser's a legend and all that, but 22 year olds shouldn't be taking all their advice from someone pushing 45. Even if your targets are the same age, there's a totally different dynamic going on.

Really? I take roughly all my advice from Krauser. What could go wrong?

I'm not saying it's wrong — Daygame Overkill is basically the model I use, but slightly more "k-selected" in the investment stage if you want to get geeky. And, of course the SA guys are heavily influenced by Krauser. All I'm saying is if I were in my early 20s I'd be watching them rather than him because they bring a youthful energy he doesn't have. But I did qualify it by saying "all" their advice, there's still lots a 22 year old can learn from Nick.

Wow, that might be where I am going wrong. My game is probably even more K selected than Nick's.

Don't you mean R-Selected?