Post: #326

(09-08-2018 01:42 AM)The Catalyst Wrote:  0.4% is on the low side but I would actually be pretty happy with 2-3%. 10% is literally a godsend, that's really unrealistic

Just to clarify, Roy's SDL rate is just below 0.4%, from daygame in general, it's something around 2%, check his stats. He's a normal guy with a full time job.

Guys sneering at 0.4% SDL is like sneering only one man in thousands gets to become a millionaire. Tell a normal guy, you can leave your house and a few times a year come back a few hours later with a girl and have sex with her whereas he's sent hundreds of emails via dating sites to lackluster women with little to no effect. He won't believe you even at 0.4% conversion rate.

I think these are realities - I personally know two guys competently daygaming in Scotland, working normal jobs and hustling on the side, both good looking (tallish, athletic, badyboy style) and getting SDLs once in a blue moon, usually with girls in 6-7 in looks department.

Post: #327

(09-08-2018 03:00 AM)Montrose Wrote:  I get one lay a year from about 50 approaches per year. That’s 2%. I could probably get more if I was more aggressive but the % might go down.

That sounds about right for a competent daygamer who doesn't do that as his full-time job.

Post: #328

I think my night game hit rate is roughly 1 lay per 150 approaches! But i'm not a handsome dude facially lol

Post: #329

@don, @Montrose - both your conversion rates are very good. 5% is actually pushing the upper limits without fame or some other extreme factor in your favor, usually extremely high exotic value or something similar or some festival type venue where girls in the day are unusually DTF.

subterfuge is in a completely different environment so it's hard to compare like for like, but I think there is so much that we can't see in these online posters. None of us can see don or Montrose's looks or vibe compared to subterfuge, and so on.

Post: #330

Personally I don't care about SDLs, if the girl is enjoyable to be around it doesn't matter when I bang her if it's within a reasonable time period.

Post: #331

I would float a theory that guys who are into daygame have a significantly higher chance of being psychologically damaged. Or some level of sigma.

A lot of them would have psychologically broken parents. In my case, but it seems not be that uncommon, "evil"/narcissistic parents as described in Scott Peck's People of the Lie.

I figure if I had loving parents I would be a well-adjusted normie who gets girls through social circle.

Post: #332

(09-09-2018 01:28 AM)The Catalyst Wrote:  I would float a theory that guys who are into daygame have a significantly higher chance of being psychologically damaged. Or some level of sigma.

A lot of them would have psychologically broken parents. In my case, but it seems not be that uncommon, "evil"/narcissistic parents as described in Scott Peck's People of the Lie.

I figure if I had loving parents I would be a well-adjusted normie who gets girls through social circle.

That sort of sounds like me.

Post: #333

Roosh has spoken recently about the death spiral Tinder is in, and from conversations I've had recently with <21 yr old girls, a significant amount are yearning for more real life interactions. Of course, this is merely anecdotal on my part and not a proper study, but still. Daygame is the best way to meet women, particularly from warm leads. But I don't like bars/clubs (unless I'm already with a girl), so I'm biased.

Post: #334

I'll put in a vote for non-damaged parents, sigma (through other life choices), + big city, plus not liking the "constraints" of dating someone in a social circle -- how can I truly let loose when I know I won't be getting rid of this person if we break up?

I like the option of deciding after X months whether a girl can hang in my social circle.

I also enjoy the looks I get when I defy expectations (especially those of girls in my social circles) because they see me single (not introducing casual girls) for a while, then eventually I have a stunner girlfriend who is smart and savvy and can hang, met "cold" -- we're always able to tell about the meet-cute without it sounding like some "intentional" thing.

I don't participate in office culture, shit's happening my own way regardless, so for me it's natural to kind of lone wolf this aspect of things. And as I always mention, city culture helps.

(In early 20s, when social circle was less tight-knit and more acquaintances / fun, it was definitely a viable route to nab friends-of-friends[-of-friends] for bang or relaysh... But the older I get, the more focused on business and having a tight inner circle, I don't really want the my-age friends of the women in that circle, hah)

And also to clarify, since we have a breadth of use-cases for DG on this thread, I'm definitely at the "got a secret weapon in my backpocket" stage. Though that weapon served me well in the always-drawn "love the chase" phase. I can see myself going back to that as this hunker-down-business phase yields some more free time.

Echoing some other sentiments here, I agree that getting a big chunk of night game experience [even clumsily], and having semi-solid one-on-one "date or isolated" game, are pre-requisites for leveraging DG effectively. Also helps not to be in a pure notch-chasing mindset. Don't think of yourself as in some video, just think of yourself as navigating the rawest form of humanity.

Post: #335

Had a bunch of daygame sets today. I still maintain NZ is probably one of the world's worst places to daygame but it's ridiculously fun. When I got to the stage where I dropped my narcissism(increased self-esteem), lowered my anxiety, and have my conversation skills dialled it literally is a dream and enjoyable to be in sets. Krauser also said something about how the best vibe is win-win and about how you make it enjoyable for the girl. It's entirely possible though that I'm only having this much fun because everything else in NZ sucks in comparison.

I wonder if you need a high IQ to daygame flawlessly. Great convo and engagement is just so good I think it would suck if you're not someone who can reliably get it every time(roughly I can unless the girl is so unconversational as to almost deliberately bomb it).

Post: #336

(09-11-2018 12:18 AM)The Catalyst Wrote:  Had a bunch of daygame sets today. I still maintain NZ is probably one of the world's worst places to daygame but it's ridiculously fun. When I got to the stage where I dropped my narcissism(increased self-esteem), lowered my anxiety, and have my conversation skills dialled it literally is a dream and enjoyable to be in sets. Krauser also said something about how the best vibe is win-win and about how you make it enjoyable for the girl. It's entirely possible though that I'm only having this much fun because everything else in NZ sucks in comparison.

I wonder if you need a high IQ to daygame flawlessly. Great convo and engagement is just so good I think it would suck if you're not someone who can reliably get it every time(roughly I can unless the girl is so unconversational as to almost deliberately bomb it).

Why do you think NZ is such a bad place for daygame? Is it just because some areas are quiet? I would have thought downtown Auckland or one of the other notable cities would have a decent number of girls?

Daygame is a really enjoyable activity, I agree wholeheartedly! It has a steep learning curve initially. I'm not sure about IQ but conversation skills are obviously very important, especially rambling. I've become a rambling expert and can talk for minutes non-stop on even the most boring topic, if required.

Usually I follow the framework Roosh lays out..
Ramble ramble (bait drop) ramble ramble (bait drop)
Eventually she chomps down on the juicy bait and the convo gets personal & two sided.

Post: #337

(09-11-2018 12:46 AM)don_quixote Wrote:  Why do you think NZ is such a bad place for daygame? Is it just because some areas are quiet? I would have thought downtown Auckland or one of the other notable cities would have a decent number of girls?

Daygame is a really enjoyable activity, I agree wholeheartedly! It has a steep learning curve initially. I'm not sure about IQ but conversation skills are obviously very important, especially rambling. I've become a rambling expert and can talk for minutes non-stop on even the most boring topic, if required.

Usually I follow the framework Roosh lays out..
Ramble ramble (bait drop) ramble ramble (bait drop)
Eventually she chomps down on the juicy bait and the convo gets personal & two sided.

Roughly speaking there is nowhere with a decent number of girls. With the same standards I can see a couple dozen bangable girls in a few hours of walking the streets in summer(in winter there might be 4 or less), while in a worth a damn Euro city/pussy paradise there might be 100s in 20 minutes(looking at videos of people walking around the cities).

Yeah I wonder how important IQ is to conversation skills. Also I guess how important conversation skills are, if it turns out you need IQ to be good at it.

I generally follow Krauser's London Daygame Model, but I think Roosh's model works well too. I find it's a little too indirect for my liking.

Post: #338

(09-11-2018 12:55 AM)The Catalyst Wrote:  Roughly speaking there is nowhere with a decent number of girls. With the same standards I can see a couple dozen bangable girls in a few hours of walking the streets in summer(in winter there might be 4 or less), while in a worth a damn Euro city/pussy paradise there might be 100s in 20 minutes(looking at videos of people walking around the cities).

Yeah I wonder how important IQ is to conversation skills. Also I guess how important conversation skills are, if it turns out you need IQ to be good at it.

I generally follow Krauser's London Daygame Model, but I think Roosh's model works well too. I find it's a little too indirect for my liking.

Hmm that sux. Guess there just isn't a high population density.

I noticed in winter around Sydney there's fewer girls, especially in the tourist traps that are so packed in summer.

IQ probably makes it easier / quicker to learn a new skill.. but I've met guys who aren't that smart (not dumb, just slightly below average) who work in sales and have a silver tongue.

Post: #339

(09-06-2018 04:29 PM)subterfuge Wrote:  I think he said one was a playboy model (in Russia) and the girl in London was a successful 'fashion model' (not playboy).

And of course, maybe the girls told him this but SHE was lying? Who knows.

Either way, my instincts tell me he probably is banging hot girls from daygame. I haven't seen all his vids, but the teenage UK girl looked like a very real interaction. And he only presumably banged her on a day2. We only saw the texts of her arranging to meet him despite her boyfriend (texts could of course have been faked). I liked her, though!

But it's kind of irrelevant to me. Assuming he's getting the results I suspect he might be, I think it's only because he's good looking. And so i'm not particularly impressed, tbh. I think he's one of the many people who attributes his success to his 'game' without realising it's not really that which is getting him the most important pre-requisite (attraction)

And yet another SDL with a 20yo Russian. This time, all done and dusted just in 30 minutes. I wonder how long will it take for him to get exposed.

I watched some of his infields, and I think there's a mix of genuine and staged.

He approaches a 9 who just got behind a wheel in her car, I did something similar with a bone fide 7 at best (obviously, I got nowhere, she told me straight she had had a boyfriend but let's say I have a "reference" experience), yet she seems to be completely unsurprised. In Russia, hell, sure, a woman will not be somewhat confused if not startled a big dude comes up to me her in a car with her just about to start an engine, then she conveniently keeps the door open just to let him deliver his lame opener in full. He opens with a question, not a statement, that seems like a subtle difference but in reality it's huge - with a question you can get (and often will) get shut down by her answering simply "No" or a variation thereof to an opener "Can I just say something?"). Most guys who are truly past beginner stage will quickly realise that opening by asking is extremely weak and incongruent with the ultimate goal in play. Too bad though we can't see her facial expressions as it's all covered up with a giant black square. But what actually made me most suspicious is his annoyingly flat and monotone delivery in each of his approaches and very weak body language.

As you can see, he keeps clasping his hands during the weak question-asking-opener and early "stacking" which is incredibly submissive body language, but hey, the stunner will just abandon whatever she's up to and just join him after one of the most boring and weak approaches I've seen for a drink in a bar and thereafter. SDL-ing a Russian hottie couldn't be any simpler than that.

It it wasn't bad enough, most of his openers, stacking and convos are as boring as they can get, yet it seems to to be enough for SDLs with stunners. His body language I've seen in the videos is often weak as well, and dialogs sound scripted. I can't be bothered with dissection of the approaches I suspect at least some are staged and would be extremely cautious of taking him without a least a healthy pinch of salt.

Post: #340

(09-11-2018 08:23 AM)ksbms Wrote:  

(09-06-2018 04:29 PM)subterfuge Wrote:  I think he said one was a playboy model (in Russia) and the girl in London was a successful 'fashion model' (not playboy).

And of course, maybe the girls told him this but SHE was lying? Who knows.

Either way, my instincts tell me he probably is banging hot girls from daygame. I haven't seen all his vids, but the teenage UK girl looked like a very real interaction. And he only presumably banged her on a day2. We only saw the texts of her arranging to meet him despite her boyfriend (texts could of course have been faked). I liked her, though!

But it's kind of irrelevant to me. Assuming he's getting the results I suspect he might be, I think it's only because he's good looking. And so i'm not particularly impressed, tbh. I think he's one of the many people who attributes his success to his 'game' without realising it's not really that which is getting him the most important pre-requisite (attraction)

And yet another SDL with a 20yo Russian. This time, all done and dusted just in 30 minutes. I wonder how long will it take for him to get exposed.

I watched some of his infields, and I think there's a mix of genuine and staged.

He approaches a 9 who just got behind a wheel in her car, I did something similar with a bone fide 7 at best (obviously, I got nowhere, she told me straight she had had a boyfriend but let's say I have a "reference" experience), yet she seems to be completely unsurprised. In Russia, hell, sure, a woman will not be somewhat confused if not startled a big dude comes up to me her in a car with her just about to start an engine, then she conveniently keeps the door open just to let him deliver his lame opener in full. He opens with a question, not a statement, that seems like a subtle difference but in reality it's huge - with a question you can get (and often will) get shut down by her answering simply "No" or a variation thereof to an opener "Can I just say something?"). Most guys who are truly past beginner stage will quickly realise that opening by asking is extremely weak and incongruent with the ultimate goal in play. Too bad though we can't see her facial expressions as it's all covered up with a giant black square. But what actually made me most suspicious is his annoyingly flat and monotone delivery in each of his approaches and very weak body language.

As you can see, he keeps clasping his hands during the weak question-asking-opener and early "stacking" which is incredibly submissive body language, but hey, the stunner will just abandon whatever she's up to and just join him after one of the most boring and weak approaches I've seen for a drink in a bar and thereafter. SDL-ing a Russian hottie couldn't be any simpler than that.

It it wasn't bad enough, most of his openers, stacking and convos are as boring as they can get, yet it seems to to be enough for SDLs with stunners. His body language I've seen in the videos is often weak as well, and dialogs sound scripted. I can't be bothered with dissection of the approaches I suspect at least some are staged and would be extremely cautious of taking him without a least a healthy pinch of salt.

I've been watching a lot of this daygamer's stuff lately and it's interesting to hear your perspective. I never thought anything was staged and the infields appear to me to be genuine. If we are to believe his claims, his open-to-close ratio is decent and he seems to be closing top-shelf material (he recently banged a Playboy model - so he says, of course). I do like his deadpan sense of humour in some of the clips he's released.

If he is having the success he says he's having (and I don't believe the clips are staged, but I'm willing to be proven wrong) then we have to wonder how much is contingent on his looks. He looks like he's in pretty good shape, and I think his buddy Torero has said he's a good-looking guy. Not sure why he's anonymous; does he have a full-time job?

Post: #341

I watched this infield like 20 times when it came out because, as a Brit who knows how difficult hot teenage Brit girls can be (especially as an older guy although he is in London which makes them 'slightly' more approachable), it fascinated me lol
Her initial reaction certainly seems realistic to me.
I was amazed as he somehow 'turned it around' when she seemed to want to leave, despite somewhat relatively boring 'game' (the more infield I watch, i'm not really sure what 'game' is anymore! just asking a girl questions about herself it seems lol)

I can also tell just from her voice and the mili-second we can kind of see her face that I would love to bang this girl! haha

(09-11-2018 08:23 AM)ksbms Wrote:  I watched some of his infields, and I think there's a mix of genuine and staged.
I wonder how long will it take for him to get exposed.

Yeah, we'll have to wait and see! He's linked with Tom Torerro who was obviously caught out himself as hiring actresses in infields, so maybe that's not a great sign? I dunno.
Jmul-v was apparently exposed recently as using hookers and seeking arrangement to get his ridiculous 'lay count'! Most of them seem to get 'found out' at some point!
Tony's hit rate is crazy, although for now without any evidence I tend to assume he's mainly legit, but is relying on a handsome face. My wing has never heard of 'game' and the feats i've seen him pull over the years with nothing but a face that makes girls stare have astounded me
I bought Roosh's new book the other day. I think he's relying on his 'pre minute' attraction, shall we say! Most Girls are into his look and All he has to do is not completely mess it up?

Post: #342

(09-11-2018 10:28 AM)subterfuge Wrote:  My wing has never heard of 'game' and the feats i've seen him pull over the years with nothing but a face that makes girls stare have astounded me
I bought Roosh's new book the other day. I think he's relying on his 'pre minute' attraction, shall we say! Most Girls are into his look and All he has to do is not completely mess it up?

As far as I read correctly, you and your wing do ng? If that's the case, you have self-selected girls which at least to certain, unconscious degree (if not overtly), entertain an idea of meeting a handsome stranger. If we add music, alcohol increasing disinhibition, Friday night, some of the girls ovulating, and a handsome man, then sure, I see it happening week in, week out.

But pulling random girls (hell, Playboy models) with an agenda Hustle actually doesn't give much background and what happened blow by blow, he's rather pretty vague - if they were tourist who had no plans whatsoever - SDL-ing a girl who lives in a city, for example, is a magnitude harder than a tourist.

I'm talking from experience, though pretty limited - had one proper success only, and it was actually an SDDL. SDL is a completely different beast from an ONS - usually, the matrix of variables is crazy and the slightest mistake costs you dearly as there's less alcohol involved (if you luckily get them to a bar). Mostly, the time constraint is on a plate - the girl would be leaving town in a matter of hours or next day early morning hours and/or were very tired, or have tight schedules, is on the way to meet someone, have some events booked. This is just this one thing. I could list so many are things that need to go right, it would feel SDL is harder than going to mars. The stress is unbelievable if you just approached a stunner, she seems interested, then you hear she needs to be back at an airport within 8 hours because she's flying across continents and you have to make split-second decisions. For her, the priority isn't to bang some stranger but not to miss her flight. It requires extreme skills, intuition and navigation of the whole dynamics to make it happen, almost always an adventure game mode to pull her into a Wonderland experience - I see nothing of it in Hustle's game, it's just a bland mixture of incessant questioning and voilà, girls just land in his bed. Overall, his results make me pretty sceptical but then, it's just impossible to now the real statistics unless you shadow someone for extended period of time.

Compare the fits to the Night Bastard's (aka Richard Hood) of Street Attraction - these are two different worlds, Night bastard shows on cameras many times kissing different girls in different cities, yet he's never boasted of SDL-ing a model. He has on video overall only two SDLs with a Latina girl who's a 6 at best, and a Korean of the same ballpark of attractiveness (SDL within two hours) and he runs high octane dg and ng on steroids which is pretty hilarious to watch - I laughed many times watch him pull brazen attitude and verbal quick-witness. Watch back to back Richard vs Hustle and see how bland and boring Hustle is, yet it is the latter who claims one SDL after another with stunners. Richard boasts nothing of this kind, yet his been around for much longer than Hustle and, from the videos I've seen, Richard and Krauser are good friends.

Post: #343

(09-11-2018 01:00 PM)ksbms Wrote:  As far as I read correctly, you and your wing do ng? If that's the case, you have self-selected girls which at least to certain, unconscious degree (if not overtly), entertain an idea of meeting a handsome stranger. If we add music, alcohol increasing disinhibition, Friday night, some of the girls ovulating, and a handsome man, then sure, I see it happening week in, week out.

But pulling random girls (hell, Playboy models) with an agenda (mr Hustle actually doesn't give much background and what happened blow by blow, he's rather pretty vague - if they were tourist who had no plans whatsoever - SDL-ing a girl who lives in a city, for example, is a magnitude harder than a tourist.

Yeah, that's a fair point. I only ever do nightgame and I suppose it is a different playing field in some ways.

I guess we'll have to wait and see. The truth always seems to come out in the end with these guys! (i'd love to know what happened with that Brit girl assuming it was legit. Someone asked him if he smashed her on youtube and he just said something about not wanting to go into it out of respect for her relationship). Did you watch that infield? What did you think about his 'game'?

Post: #344

Guys, I think this "is X's infield stuff fake" or "is Y a fraud" is ultimately pointless.

This is because we generally know the rates of conversion during daygame for men ranging from a sweaty, ugly, obese, full on omega 50 year old man on a mobility scooter all the way to an extremely handsome, stylish, ripped, charismatic alpha with great history of previous success and top drawer killer instinct. The other major contributor to success rates will be the location the man chooses to do his day game and his general suitability to girls in that location aside from raw SMV as described above.

This spectrum ranges from roughly 0% to 10%. The "pros" get 2-3% and "non-pro" good looking guys can match this 3% because they are far better looking than Torero or Krauser. I think in terms of cold selling in the day, 5% is a more realistic upper ceiling. But I'm just throwing 10% out there as the absolute maximum bar freak events or exceptional luck because by default 90%+ of the stuff on the street you cannot control. Watching these infields can therefore be harmful as you start to think of ridiculous double digit % bang/approach rates as actually possible. Even if you have almost everything in your favor in day game, you will never pass 10%.

GLL breaks it down with common sense.

At night, numbers can be higher for reasons ksbms outlined, but it can vary greatly. You can come across the first girl you speak to who is DTF but other nights after 20 approaches you can completely strike out. I think a 10% cap at night in 2018 would hold as well. Queue stories about "my good looking buddy did this or that" but a lot of the time these are warm approaches, either AIs or the girl actually approaching the guy. A lot of good looking guys don't approach as much because they have enough coming their way. If they actually went out to cold sell their dicks fully, they would be at the mercy of cold approach numbers.

We're all at the mercy of cold approach numbers, wherever we are in this spectrum. These guys posting implications of somehow "cheating the laws of the universe" in their amazing hit rate on models or model looking girls are going to attract guys who haven't actually done real day game in at least some non-negligible capacity so they aren't really aware of realistic numbers and the many reasons why these numbers are at first glance so low even for professional and verifiable veterans like Krauser.

Post: #345

(delete, wrong thread)

Post: #346

(08-03-2014 05:06 PM)Amazin Wrote:  I think it is and this article pretty much sums it up:

Quote:I’ve been seeing a lot about "Day Game" lately. It’s not some new concept: it’s simply the idea of picking up women "during the day". The street, the mall, the library, the gym, the bus stop or around campus at school all qualify as some sort of "Day Game". While the idea is appealing: you see hot girls at these places pretty regularly if you live somewhere busy, wouldn’t it be great to be able to talk to them, get their number, get them on a date, sleep with them, and date them? Of course it would. However, while day game is very "doable" (Check out our article on 15 Day Game Openers for how to get started), it is NOT EASY.
Day Game Challenges

Let’s face it, day game is much harder than "night game", There are many unique challenges that impact "day game" that simply do not impact night game. One is motion. At a bar or a club, women are pretty committed to the location. They are stationary. During the day on the street, women are constantly moving. They have something to do and somewhere to be. This makes interactions terse at best and nonexistent at worst. Even in locations such as the gym or the mall, the woman you are about to talk to is probably there for a reason that doesn’t involve socializing with a random guy....

so who's actually getting consistent lays from daygame on here?

Hmmm.... I don't agree at all. I think that "day game" is easy compared to "night game". I can literally every girl approach in any situation in daytime. Compared to night time, e.g. bar, disco, where I feel uncomfortable and get only little success. In general.

One example from today, evening: I was sitting outside McDonald's playing wiht my phone. I then saw the gorgeous 29 yo girl entering McDonalds. It later turned out she is a lawyer, working on a urgent contract, just went to McD to grab some fast food and take it back to office, not having time at all. So, soon she left McD with two bags. I instantely followed her, said "I saw you in McDonalds" before and booong, kissed her after five minutes, we are in heavy messenger contact and will meet tomorrow.

Post: #347

(09-11-2018 10:28 AM)subterfuge Wrote:  ...
I was amazed as he somehow 'turned it around' when she seemed to want to leave, despite somewhat relatively boring 'game' (the more infield I watch, i'm not really sure what 'game' is anymore! just asking a girl questions about herself it seems lol)
...

Absolutely, I see it that way. There is no "game". Either one can approach others or not .

Post: #348

(09-02-2018 04:57 PM)rishboy77 Wrote:  Not sure if this issue has been answered before but ... what is the best to approach women wearing headphones/ earbuds?

stop them, motion for them to take out their headphones. I find a lot of the time that these girls are the most receptive.

Not watched those 'mr hustle' videos but the conversion rate sounds unbelievable for SDL's. SDL's are tough, the stars have to align for them to happen. When I was going hard at daygame and trying to improve I think i worked my actual lay ratio (not SDL) was 1 in 20-25. SDL's hell, I can count the number I've had using my hands. Few and far between, the right girl in the right moment with the right game. To actually get to a 1 in 20-25 ratio you have to actually be good at identifying the girls who are falling in the yes to maybe yes to maybe no category. All the best daygamers have this down, they don't spam approach and they don't approach 'no' girls. There's a hell of a lot of indicators that women give off that helps you put them into these boxes. Yes girls are the easiest of course, if you're not pussy repellent you'll succeed.

Post: #349

I was in Europe last couple of weeks. Street game is my main method.

I avoid married (rings), smoker, tattoo, rotund, pimple, masculine girls.

I gravitate towards cute, feminine, small ass, healthy, slim, long legs. It’s a certain type of girl I like and connect with.

I found myself waiting and scouting girl traffic on the street, which was exhausting when the flow of these types of girls is so inconsistent. It was like fishing for a mermaid. Patience is key, yet I’m at my best when I’m in social mode.

When the stunner comes along, you’re so ill-prepared after being awash in sub-optimal options. You chase to open her, which felt unnatural. It felt like structured exercise.

Night game was more efficient, because all the hotties were gathered in the bars / clubs. I don’t drink much, and girls are in a different mindset. There are downsides to this method as well. I learned game adjustment depends on the city. Day game...night game are just tools. Use the best tools to yield the best results.

I still prefer street game. I close very cute girls from this method around the world. I would have never met these girls at clubs and be able to rapidly escalate. Day game depends on the consistency of the girls you want for that city.

Not all cities are created equal.

Post: #350

I have never been to daygame and I have really low approach count. But recently I started to see daygame from some point of view I have never seen it before.
I would say daygame is freedom.
The most of the guys get their girls from their social circle. I have always been jealous at these guys, because my social circle is small and doesn´t consist any girls or doesn´t lead to potential pretty girls. But it´s actually very limiting, because you are only limited to girls at your social circle.
The same situation comes at nightgame. When you are going out to have fun, it´s possible, that you will meet pretty girls in bar or club. But at the end the number of really quality girls is not very high. You are limited by the possibility of approaching only those women, who are the same place as you are. And also there is big competition, because everybody is there to catch these girls.

But daygame has no limitations. There´s unlimited amount of girls (in case you live at decent place) and you can be picky as much as you can. You can play numbers game and approach as many girls as possible, but you can also approach only the one´s, who you consider to be good enough to be you future wife. You will never meet such good girls at the bar as you can at the street. Also quality can be much higher. Girls who go to clubs and you bang them are only good for banging. But there are a lot of girls on the streets, who are potential LTR material on first sight and you could never meet them unless they are in your social circle... or you approach them at the street.

Even though I ran daygame for the first time 2 and half year ago, I´m still total newbie (I spent 2 years in LTR). And I am still struggling and I often search for excuses, why I can´t approach this and this girl.
I must work on this, because I always feel unfulfillment, when it comes to girls, even though I bang a lot past few months. And daygame seems to be cure, because it offers me freedom to engage only the most atractive girls to me and potentially find a girl of my dreams, not girl who was friend of my friend.