(04-13-2019 03:31 AM)RawGod Wrote:  

(04-13-2019 03:17 AM)AsiaBaller Wrote:  

(04-12-2019 04:53 PM)66Scorpio Wrote:  The thing about PH, especially if you have a spouse, is that you can build your castle. If you get away from Manila then land and labour are dirt cheap. My wife is very industrious and is building a house.But I want to build my castle.

Ask around a bit how many castle builders had an untimely death in the Philippines.

In 3rd world countries you generally just want to rent as a foreigner and keep a low key profile. The few old spaniards (sephardic jews) like the Zóbel de Ayala family are firmly established and know how to play the game safely from Manila.

Rural areas of 3rd world countries are dominated by warlord type family clans and if they want your "castle" you're dead end gone and they'll get someone to sign over the deed.

Filipinas and their husbands have a reputation for turning on their husbands as well and trying to get any assets they can.

I second that. Even if my wife remained 100% loyal, the last thing I'd do in the Philippines is build a castle in a random rural area because there's a nice view. Look, rich (e.g. Chinese) Filipinos do not even do that in the provinces where local big men hold sway. They stick to the known safe enclaves.

While the cost of labor is low they will scam you when they realise you are a foreigner,expect to pay way more tHan a local, cost of materials is also high
i was quoted 2-3 million pesos for a house outside metro manila+1 million for the land. roughly 70.000 USD.. i don't have access to that kind of money...it simply not worth it as a foreigner as foreigners are not allowed to own land. nice gated areas houses in BGC area are quoted at 25 and 30 million pesos. it isnt as cheap as it used to be,just rent and try to stay low profile

(04-13-2019 02:28 AM)66Scorpio Wrote:  

(04-12-2019 05:39 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

(04-12-2019 04:53 PM)66Scorpio Wrote:  I am a Canadian expat living in China. My wife is a Filipina who I met here through online dating. So far we have visited PH once, and I was not impressed. In general, China is a far better envrions. However, I am looking at the long game. The thing about PH, especially if you have a spouse, is that you can build your castle. If you get away from Manila then land and labour are dirt cheap. My wife is very industrious and is building a house.But I want to build my castle.

I thought that a rule of thumb is that you do not want to build up too much more luxurious than the surrounding real estate, otherwise you become a target....

Within reason, I suppose you could build a bit more luxurious than surrounding properties, but always need to consider if you might be causing yourself to become more of a target than you would otherwise wish to be.

It depends on what you mean by "target". My wife is totally pissing off the locals with her house because of its upscale style. My plan, such as it is, is to build an executive retreat. That might indeed draw more ire, but WTF? I need to make a living.

Looks like you are already going down the wrong path, and now out of stubborness, you want to double down. That sounds smart.

Ultimately, you do what you want, but it sounds as if you are already building up to a text book scenario in which you are fighting the wave of the community, and discounting their power or importance. And, yeah, you may be correct that they are a bunch of petty and nosey people, and maybe it will even take them a few years to snuff the two of you out.

If you want to live in drama, that is your right, and maybe you will get lucky and win several of the battles. I prefer a kind of security through obscurity myself, and sure, maybe flaunting once in a while, but not flaunting on an ongoing and in-your-face basis.

Don't get me wrong, I have had a lot of battles in my life, and sometimes, I battled way beyond my own good. I understand that once a guy is in the battle, then sometimes it is difficult to modify his already decided direction, even when it is for his own good... still sometimes graceful exit options should be taken into account.

(04-12-2019 04:53 PM)66Scorpio Wrote:  The thing about PH, especially if you have a spouse, is that you can build your castle.

If you have a pinay wife, and build in the PI, it isn't your castle, it's hers, and by extension her families. Are they in the picture? Did you vet these people?

Quote:My wife is very industrious and is building a house.But I want to build my castle.

Sounds bad. What was your wife doing in China? Your money is building this? Shes industrious and building her house but you want your castle? Maybe you worded this poorly, but it should be flipped, you're the industrious one building your castle, and she makes suggestions about the house she wishes to live in. You call the shots. It sounds like you're off to a terrible start, in a risky situation to begin with.

There are a lot of videos on the reasons why foreign guys get killed in the Philippines
Land, robbery, jealousy, and beefs with randoms are big reasons.
I look back on my long-term time there with relief, there were definitely things that could have got me killed.
Then there's the idea of living in some rural cultural wasteland in the PI: some kind of hell.
My advice is cut your losses and run away. Land is cheap in a lot of places, you can buy a cheap house in rural Florida, Spain, or parts of Canada for that matter and have the benefit of some infrastructure and rule of law.

What do you think of very simple, childishly, uneducated. Filipinas? Do u date them, hang out with them etc?

I’m in Siargao Island with my 18 yo gf from Leyte. I’m loving it. I have sex and surf all day and eat bbq at night. Only thing that sucks are the power blackouts. This could be my favorite place in the Phils. The kids out at Cloud 9 all rip. Fun to watch but can be hard to get waves.

(04-16-2019 02:40 AM)WashedUPVet Wrote:  I’m in Siargao Island with my 18 yo gf from Leyte. I’m loving it. I have sex and surf all day and eat bbq at night. Only thing that sucks are the power blackouts. This could be my favorite place in the Phils. The kids out at Cloud 9 all rip. Fun to watch but can be hard to get waves.

Siargao is so so nice, and it's hard enough to get to that it's pretty much unspoiled. I was dating this super skinny 19 year old (5'3, 77 lbs) and we stayed at the Siargao Bleu resort just south of C9. The girl was hot af and super nice. Got a tramp stamp tattoo of my name above her ass on the first date. But after we got back I decided I just could not put up with how dumb she was. The least intelligent female I ever knew in my life.

(04-20-2019 11:12 AM)cyclistfromhell Wrote:  Got a tramp stamp tattoo of my name above her ass on the first date.

   

(04-20-2019 11:12 AM)cyclistfromhell Wrote:  

(04-16-2019 02:40 AM)WashedUPVet Wrote:  I’m in Siargao Island with my 18 yo gf from Leyte. I’m loving it. I have sex and surf all day and eat bbq at night. Only thing that sucks are the power blackouts. This could be my favorite place in the Phils. The kids out at Cloud 9 all rip. Fun to watch but can be hard to get waves.

Siargao is so so nice, and it's hard enough to get to that it's pretty much unspoiled. I was dating this super skinny 19 year old (5'3, 77 lbs) and we stayed at the Siargao Bleu resort just south of C9. The girl was hot af and super nice. Got a tramp stamp tattoo of my name above her ass on the first date. But after we got back I decided I just could not put up with how dumb she was. The least intelligent female I ever knew in my life.

A first date tat is savage.

Must have been a while ago. I think these Siragao girls have a fairly constant stream of new Chads arriving daily. I was however shocked that my flight from Cebu was 90% Philippine tourists. It’s a domestic hotspot for them. I don’t think it’s a great spot to get laid, but the island and activities are top notch. Usually they travel with family and stay in a home stay 8 to a room. Probably the best spot to game other backpackers from Europe, Aus, etc. Not my cup of tea.

(04-20-2019 12:38 PM)WashedUPVet Wrote:  

(04-20-2019 11:12 AM)cyclistfromhell Wrote:  

(04-16-2019 02:40 AM)WashedUPVet Wrote:  I’m in Siargao Island with my 18 yo gf from Leyte. I’m loving it. I have sex and surf all day and eat bbq at night. Only thing that sucks are the power blackouts. This could be my favorite place in the Phils. The kids out at Cloud 9 all rip. Fun to watch but can be hard to get waves.

Siargao is so so nice, and it's hard enough to get to that it's pretty much unspoiled. I was dating this super skinny 19 year old (5'3, 77 lbs) and we stayed at the Siargao Bleu resort just south of C9. The girl was hot af and super nice. Got a tramp stamp tattoo of my name above her ass on the first date. But after we got back I decided I just could not put up with how dumb she was. The least intelligent female I ever knew in my life.

A first date tat is savage.

Must have been a while ago. I think these Siragao girls have a fairly constant stream of new Chads arriving daily. I was however shocked that my flight from Cebu was 90% Philippine tourists. It’s a domestic hotspot for them. I don’t think it’s a great spot to get laid, but the island and activities are top notch. Usually they travel with family and stay in a home stay 8 to a room. Probably the best spot to game other backpackers from Europe, Aus, etc. Not my cup of tea.

It was three years ago exactly. The girl was from Surigao. I had been in touch with her for a few weeks before I got there. She met me in Cebu, went to get a tattoo of my name and her belly button pierced, and then we flew to Siargao. It's really weird, we all like young sweet supersexy girls -- duhhhh -- but when you're cooped up with one for days on end and realize she's not The One, it does get a little old. I mean, there's no mystery, no challenge, no nothing. And once you're not horny any more, that stuff matters. Got bored and took a lot of pics of her sucking cock and did some walks out to Cloud 9 to watch the surfers etc.

There was one real turnoff for me on this trip though. She had asked if I would meet her parents. And I had said to her, "Sure, I don't mind meeting them when we pass through Surigao on the way back. We can take them to dinner. No big." So she made arrangements with her parents and a reservation at some restaurant.

But she _didn't_ tell me that she'd also invited all of her brothers, sisters, cousins, nieces, etc. They all showed up. Not a single one of them talked to me, smiled at me, took an interest in me, or thanked me. It was about 18-20 people. I of course had to pay for everything. I was steaming mad, I really was -- it wasn't a five-star restaurant or anything, but I felt totally taken advantage of.

That being said, comparing notes with some other folks, it seems that this type of behavior is all too typical in the provinces.

All of them left for the countryside again and the girl stayed with me in town one more night. I boned her a couple more times somewhat angrily before leaving her there in Surigao and that was that.

She was easily the thinnest girl I ever dated, but very fit so go figure. Proportions of a supermodel but just absolutely tiny. Wore girl's size 5/6 shirts and shorts. Flat as a board. I didn't think about it much, but we had some pics taken of us together and it was disconcerting. At any rate she was oh so dumb. Indescribable. Anyhow, apparently she got married to an even older guy up in Alaska.

Lol dinner for 20 people, do you mind sharing the cost of that? Just curious

(04-20-2019 01:50 PM)cyclistfromhell Wrote:  

(04-20-2019 12:38 PM)WashedUPVet Wrote:  

(04-20-2019 11:12 AM)cyclistfromhell Wrote:  

(04-16-2019 02:40 AM)WashedUPVet Wrote:  I’m in Siargao Island with my 18 yo gf from Leyte. I’m loving it. I have sex and surf all day and eat bbq at night. Only thing that sucks are the power blackouts. This could be my favorite place in the Phils. The kids out at Cloud 9 all rip. Fun to watch but can be hard to get waves.

Siargao is so so nice, and it's hard enough to get to that it's pretty much unspoiled. I was dating this super skinny 19 year old (5'3, 77 lbs) and we stayed at the Siargao Bleu resort just south of C9. The girl was hot af and super nice. Got a tramp stamp tattoo of my name above her ass on the first date. But after we got back I decided I just could not put up with how dumb she was. The least intelligent female I ever knew in my life.

A first date tat is savage.

Must have been a while ago. I think these Siragao girls have a fairly constant stream of new Chads arriving daily. I was however shocked that my flight from Cebu was 90% Philippine tourists. It’s a domestic hotspot for them. I don’t think it’s a great spot to get laid, but the island and activities are top notch. Usually they travel with family and stay in a home stay 8 to a room. Probably the best spot to game other backpackers from Europe, Aus, etc. Not my cup of tea.

It was three years ago exactly. The girl was from Surigao. I had been in touch with her for a few weeks before I got there. She met me in Cebu, went to get a tattoo of my name and her belly button pierced, and then we flew to Siargao. It's really weird, we all like young sweet supersexy girls -- duhhhh -- but when you're cooped up with one for days on end and realize she's not The One, it does get a little old. I mean, there's no mystery, no challenge, no nothing. And once you're not horny any more, that stuff matters. Got bored and took a lot of pics of her sucking cock and did some walks out to Cloud 9 to watch the surfers etc.

There was one real turnoff for me on this trip though. She had asked if I would meet her parents. And I had said to her, "Sure, I don't mind meeting them when we pass through Surigao on the way back. We can take them to dinner. No big." So she made arrangements with her parents and a reservation at some restaurant.

But she _didn't_ tell me that she'd also invited all of her brothers, sisters, cousins, nieces, etc. They all showed up. Not a single one of them talked to me, smiled at me, took an interest in me, or thanked me. It was about 18-20 people. I of course had to pay for everything. I was steaming mad, I really was -- it wasn't a five-star restaurant or anything, but I felt totally taken advantage of.

That being said, comparing notes with some other folks, it seems that this type of behavior is all too typical in the provinces.

All of them left for the countryside again and the girl stayed with me in town one more night. I boned her a couple more times somewhat angrily before leaving her there in Surigao and that was that.

She was easily the thinnest girl I ever dated, but very fit so go figure. Proportions of a supermodel but just absolutely tiny. Wore girl's size 5/6 shirts and shorts. Flat as a board. I didn't think about it much, but we had some pics taken of us together and it was disconcerting. At any rate she was oh so dumb. Indescribable. Anyhow, apparently she got married to an even older guy up in Alaska.

Cyclist I just have so many questions man. How did you even meet this girl? Age difference between you guys? Why did you stay once the whole family showed up? Have you ever dealt with women outside the west before? The forum needs answers lol.

(04-21-2019 12:46 AM)yankeetravels Wrote:  Cyclist I just have so many questions man. How did you even meet this girl? Age difference between you guys? Why did you stay once the whole family showed up? Have you ever dealt with women outside the west before? The forum needs answers lol.

Sure no worries. I seem to recall I met her on Facebook. I just thought she looked good so I sent a message and we took it from there. Nothing too fancy.

The family thing made me furious but I wasn't going to be rude and bounce them. Heck, their daughter had given me some very very hot sessions over the previous few days. I mean as an okay restaurant in Surigao it wasn't _that_ expensive -- as I said, I just felt taken advantage of. And I was surely the oldest guy at the table; as such, it's not the end of the world to take care of folks even if they are sort of scamming you. The whole thing just disappointed me tbh; I felt tired.

Age difference: she was 19, I was in my early 50s. It sounds creepy but that part was no issue whatsoever. I'm in good shape and it's not like I'm some washed-up weirdo.

Sure, I've dated a few girls in the Philippines. I used to go there fairly often on business and a few times I met girls who were up for going on vacation before I had to come back to the USA. Each of them was stunningly attractive and very sweet, but there were a couple of total liars, a couple of real dummies, and whatever it was it just never seemed like it could work out in the long term. One tiny tiny yoga instructor that I met in Makati, I thought I'd wife her but then found out about some total bs and that was that.

I would attach pics of them here but I can't figure out how to work this site.

(04-21-2019 12:05 AM)Polero Wrote:  Lol dinner for 20 people, do you mind sharing the cost of that? Just curious

Depends, but at a lot of places I could see that being 200 pesos or $4 apiece, so perhaps $80. That would be typical for a shopping mall family restaurant that caters to big family groups. Could be less with cheap food options or a group discount.

That’s pretty normal for the Philippines. The whole family always finds out when it’s time for free food.

I wouldn’t get too bent out of shape over it. They’ll do the same to their own relatives if they have money.

That day, you were the best one.

(04-22-2019 01:27 AM)SeaFM Wrote:  That’s pretty normal for the Philippines. The whole family always finds out when it’s time for free food.

I wouldn’t get too bent out of shape over it. They’ll do the same to their own relatives if they have money.

That day, you were the best one.

Yeah for sure. I can't see how you could dabble in the Filipina thing without getting scammed or at least bearing some unforeseen costs. Just chalk it up to being part of the game.

I remember being really cross about it for a day then I met some other girl who wasn't like that at all and pretty much forgot all about it

I’ve always only used online to meet girls in Manila but the more I walk around the more I think what a gold mine day game would be in terms of getting top-tier girls but I’ve never tried it.
Has anyone had big success doing it?

(04-30-2019 08:46 AM)tezza198 Wrote:  I’ve always only used online to meet girls in Manila but the more I walk around the more I think what a gold mine day game would be in terms of getting top-tier girls but I’ve never tried it.
Has anyone had big success doing it?

No, but I am going to try. Next trip to Manila, no Tinder for me. Gonna start cold calling the Pinays in person.

(04-30-2019 08:46 AM)tezza198 Wrote:  I’ve always only used online to meet girls in Manila but the more I walk around the more I think what a gold mine day game would be in terms of getting top-tier girls but I’ve never tried it.
Has anyone had big success doing it?

You should be able to meet some really cool beauties that way. So so many of the online ones are pretty messed up, even if seemingly attractive. For sure, just go up and talk to them. What's the worst that could happen? For anyone with a modicum of interpersonal charm, the Philippines can be your oyster. You won't bat 100 percent but no big.

Tangent: one thing I have noticed over the years is that it's a bit risky to date really young filipinas. Just because a girl is beautiful and slim at 19 does not _at all_ mean she will be 5 years from then. Better, perhaps, to find a low-mileage one in her early 30s -- she will have finalized her looks by then and if they work for you, you won't be unpleasantly surprised.

One of the girls I dated as a teen apparently got married and moved to the USA, and I saw her current FB page pic. She was sleek and coltish but in 2.5 years she totally lost that magical look and just looks dumb af (which was, indeed, why I dumped her).

Walk around for top-tier girls *where* exactly? BGC?
Can't imagine many places not packed with the same thrash that appears online. . .

(04-30-2019 11:14 PM)cyclistfromhell Wrote:  

(04-30-2019 08:46 AM)tezza198 Wrote:  I’ve always only used online to meet girls in Manila but the more I walk around the more I think what a gold mine day game would be in terms of getting top-tier girls but I’ve never tried it.
Has anyone had big success doing it?

You should be able to meet some really cool beauties that way. So so many of the online ones are pretty messed up, even if seemingly attractive. For sure, just go up and talk to them. What's the worst that could happen? For anyone with a modicum of interpersonal charm, the Philippines can be your oyster. You won't bat 100 percent but no big.

Tangent: one thing I have noticed over the years is that it's a bit risky to date really young filipinas. Just because a girl is beautiful and slim at 19 does not _at all_ mean she will be 5 years from then. Better, perhaps, to find a low-mileage one in her early 30s -- she will have finalized her looks by then and if they work for you, you won't be unpleasantly surprised.

One of the girls I dated as a teen apparently got married and moved to the USA, and I saw her current FB page pic. She was sleek and coltish but in 2.5 years she totally lost that magical look and just looks dumb af (which was, indeed, why I dumped her).

I'd take my chances with the 19-21 year old instead of settling for a washed up, broken or jaded, post wall 32 year old. If I really wanted to make one my wife I'd just look at her mother, aunt's, etc. if they're fat sloppy shitbags then don't do it.

The 30+ year old women I've met in the Phils have all been majorly fucked up characters. They were all either jaded from so many pump and dumps, broken from abuse, or straight up pathological lying psychopaths. I'm sure there's decent ones out there, but your doing yourself a disservice going to the Philippines and not focusing your efforts on young women (who make up the majority).

(05-01-2019 12:50 AM)aeroektar Wrote:  

(04-30-2019 11:14 PM)cyclistfromhell Wrote:  [quote='tezza198' pid='1972774' dateline='1556631992']

I'd take my chances with the 19-21 year old instead of settling for a washed up, broken or jaded, post wall 32 year old. If I really wanted to make one my wife I'd just look at her mother, aunt's, etc. if they're fat sloppy shitbags then don't do it.

The 30+ year old women I've met in the Phils have all been majorly fucked up characters. They were all either jaded from so many pump and dumps, broken from abuse, or straight up pathological lying psychopaths. I'm sure there's decent ones out there, but your doing yourself a disservice going to the Philippines and not focusing your efforts on young women (who make up the majority).

Hahahaha "post wall" ... never heard that term! Yeah I've dated mostly age 19-22 girls there -- I think 8 of them(?) as well as a couple of girls in their mid-30s. I agree that young can be really really good but my only point is that if they aren't fully grown, what you think is a totally amazing figure and stuff can change way more than expected. The hottest, loveliest, most relatable girl I ever met there was 33. Very thin, super long black hair, crazy sexy combined with some very sincere innocence, and just bottomless niceness. That's the right combo as far as I'm concerned!

Why not just focus on 22-26 year olds then?

I think Tinder is great but I’m starting to feel like your really limiting yourself. The amount of eye contact I get when out and about is astounding. I’ve seen so many hot girls in Manila that I never talked too that could have been amazing. Tinder was just always too good to not use because you could get numerous contacts and build comfort before you even get to the country and therefore limit the amount of time you need to game. But I’ve noticed that during the day I’m often not doing anything so that’s the perfect time to do some approaches. Just keep a date ready each night so regardless of what happens it won’t matter

(05-01-2019 12:30 AM)HowOneBecomesWhatOneIs Wrote:  Walk around for top-tier girls *where* exactly? BGC?
Can't imagine many places not packed with the same thrash that appears online. . .

The two don't compare.

On tinder you are dealing with manipulative angles, filters, and picture selection. It's a highly misleading experience. You're also dealing with the most "competition" because it takes zero effort or social skills so everyone does it, even men outside the city/country. On top of that, your interacting with the most broken women of society.

You don't really know what your communicating with on tinder until she's standing in front of you.

Out in the real world you can immediately determine what you're looking at and decide if it's worth pursuing and finding out more about, skipping a huge portion of the bullshit that comes with online dating.

There is a lot of variance between unfuckable and top tier. Its perfectly healthy to pursue 6s and 7s which there's plenty of out in the daytime, but for whatever reason some men seem to ignore their existence as if they are below average.

As far as true top tier 8s and 9s go, you're still better off in the real world, but they'll be rare anywhere you go. If you're complaining about a lack of top tier women where you are, maybe consider going somewhere else where you find the women more to your taste. I can't say I see a lot of 8s and 9s anywhere I go, but I'm not limiting myself to them.