(03-09-2019 02:04 PM)Enhanced Eddie Wrote:  

Quote:This place does not deserve the consideration it's gotten.

As I.B. said, competition is very high now and quality is very low. I can match almost 200 girls with one boost, but the ones that are actually hot are more than unimpressed and hardly reply to messages, if I match them at all. If you don't need them to be super hot though, quantity over quality, definitely very much still available.

This is where the problem is, people heavily rely on online dating to get their notches. all of the hottest girls I dated or hooked up with in manila are all from clubs or daygame at the mall. i meet and dated a playboy ph model, a few instagram 'models' with a large following and a few fashion models from cove manila, valkyrie/xylo/poolcub and bars in the fort area. Also when i used to live, my neighbour was a fulltime model who was an easy 10, got her contact in the elevator but too bad she had a bf. daygame at the mall is great becos girls are more down to earth and less entitled then girls at the clubs. From online dating, i only occasionally get lucky with 8s. But literally no 9s and 10s on online dating. The hottest girls have to be those mixed filippina with any other race. Some interesting ones i meet were filippina/jap filippina/indian filippina/aussie filippina/korean.

For some perspective, I'm a 5'7 Asian guy who grew up in the West, East asian men 'chinitos' seem to do well in the Philippines as a lot of the celebrities are half east asian and also maybe becos kpop is pretty big in the philippines.

The point is if you want to date the hottest girls in town, you need to cold approach and also dressing nice and presentation also matters. if you're always in shorts, sandles and a tank top, dont expect any quality girl to give you the time of day. Also going to shitty clubs like Royal in makati with so many pros doesnt count as cold approach. You need to hit up the high end clubs for high end chicks. Pretty straight forward.

80% of thai men visit prostitutes and most prostitution is thai focused.

Ludicrous statistic you've pulled out of your ass, agree with second point however this is the same all over Asia including East Asia ie Japan and Korea so what's your point?

Thais in general are low class trash and fake friendly while talking trash about you behind your back or even in your face as a foreigner because they think you don't understand.

True of almost any country eg the 'general population' of the UK is largely trash. I assume you don't mix with trash so again what's your point?

Better off thais have huge egos and demand to be catered to as demi gods. Piss them off and your head rolls.

I would agree but your taking about the top 5 percentile that almost no one will have any interaction with. The equivalent of saying private schooled Chelsea girls with aristocratic bloodlines in the UK have huge egos. No shit . If you're honestly interacting and dating this demographic on any kind of regular basis hats off to you as 99 per cent of men can't even do this in their home country it's called wealth and class privilege.

There's a huge middle class in Thailand that is at neither end of the 2 extremes you claim to be basically "every Thai person".

That's why everybody is very careful to assess your status and act all deferential. They're only openly hostile when they fear no repercussions.

This a a fair point and largely true.

For every genuine friendly thai person there are 99 fakes.

You must have had some really bad experiences here....

Yes most foreigners coming to thailand are trash tier but it's a trash tier country as well and like attracts like I guess...

There is a lot of shitty foreigners here, you're not one so who cares? leave them to play with the bar girls and rice farmers daughters.

A trash tier country ? Ever visited Cambodia ,Laos or Myanmar ?

For every alcoholic foreigner there are at least 10 alcoholic thai men.

Yep true.

Obviously they're more high functioning because they're not alienated foreigners but that doesn't mean they're much better.

Low class is low class in an country.

I'm.not really sure what your argument or point is in this post?

^If you quote messages do it that we all understand what is your statement.

(03-10-2019 03:24 AM)Enhanced Eddie Wrote:  It's true though, if you have money, you can live comfortably in Manila now. It's not as cheap as Thailand, but it's nearly first world standard in some parts.

Quote:So I have to ask, why Makati/BCG? Why tinder?

I posted this previously, but I'll reiterate... I spent a lot of time exploring all areas of Manila for daygame. It's all shit except for Malate (hooker area) and Poblacion (hooker area).

You see about one or two girls that are objectively hot per week in Manila (the "wow" effect, not "cute and bangable if I lower my standards to get my rocks off"), no matter where you are. So at that point, I'd rather be in BGC and actually have a nice standard of living.

Tinder is shit but so is Fil Cupid, Bumble and all the others. DIA and PL are downright atrocious now. So what does that leave us with? The city isn't target rich enough for cold approach. The appeal here was the ability to pick out the few hot ones online that you can hardly find walking around.

If I could, I would move to Thailand or South America today... unfortunately it'll be a few months still before I can make that happen. I know some here are skeptical of my posts like I just want to keep guys away from my pussy paradise, but you'll see me leave here as soon as I'm ready.

It's just too late. I see young white guys here now and I wanna go up to them and tell them "Dude... you're a few years late. Party's over."

With that mindset, sure.

So this helps explain the difference between my experience and those reports of guys a banging a different girl each day. . .

My game and general strategy still suck so I need advice.

Disclaimer : I'm not in Ph specifically to party or game girls. I have to be here for my job so, with other things going on, I go out once or twice a week only including any 1 to 1 dates. I use online dating but I'm not paying for anything.

Despite my dry spell at the beginning and another one in February. I still have been banging an average slightly above 1 new girl per month, deliberately avoiding repetitions or "dumpster diving". I know this is still quite bad for this place.

The problem :
Despite everything that is said, the "international" social circles are plagued by drama, amoging and Korean levels of cockblocking. All for a few girls none above 6 or 7. Mostly 3s, 4s and 5s.
I take pride that I have systematically pulled despite the interruptions and amoging of multiple guys. This also proves that, again, despite everything that is said, a lot of guys still suck even more than I and are, obviously, desperate.
I notice I waste a lot of time in these circles. I often end up wasting a Friday or Saturday night in places and company that discourage cold approaching, with drama happening the times I broke off. I haven't met any potential wingmen.

Online, I'm getting a few matches everyday but getting them talking and out is another story. One of these apps says over 9000 people liked me, 700 the day my plane landed. From that particular app I have still to meet with anyone. I have tried customized openers, copy paste of openers I googled up, random stupid stuff, "hi". . . Statistically, I can't confirm any of these strategies being better. I even had girls go psycho on me when discussing logistics on whatsapp. I did bang a few, somewhere between 5 and 6. My future prospects are also around 6.
7s, 8s and 9s are nowhere to be seen. . .
I've seen, very ocassionally, a foreigner or a (rich?) fat local with an 8 or 9. But I don't know where they met them. Definitely not where I'm operating.

So, even if my game was perfect, I would, maybe, be adding two or three 7s to my laycount and most likely yet more 5s and 6s. . .

Value-wise I have my stuff together to theoretically get an 8 or a solid 7. Not to brag but I have both the "nice job" and the "six-pack" part of the equation. Exotic flair (I'm from a middle income country you normally don't see a lot of people from). Because of the things I went through to improve myself, an absurd amount of travel/life stories. . . I even think it's overkill for most of these girls that have never left their country and have never read a book but are still couch-potatoes. . .

Question :
So what should I be doing? Take a cab and go alone to Xylo or Cove and cold approach everything on sight? Spend some weekend hours daygaming in Greenbelt? It's obvious I have to change something. . .

(03-17-2019 01:36 PM)HowOneBecomesWhatOneIs Wrote:  I even think it's overkill for most of these girls that have never left their country and have never read a book but are still couch-potatoes. . .

The south east asian mind and the western mind are totally different and lets not even talk about the male and female mind.

Western women travel, but only to chase cock and good feels (chilling on the beach or some resort).

South East Asians really don't give two shits about the outside world because they have no cultural connection and don't have the money to travel either way.

Western women might read on occasion, but it's 50 shades of grey drivel.

South East Asians would still live in mud huts if it wasn't for western technological imports, which tells you about their intellectual abilities, but western women only think in feels as well for the most part.

For an above average looking girl in any country there is little need to do anything but to exist and to put yourself in front of guys that have some money and status if they aren't obviously from the lower classes.

Girls from any countries mainly care about local influence and status.

Don't know lots of people with higher status than her in the country and could potentially introduce her to better social circles?

You might as well not exist to girls that don't absolutely need a well earning guy asap. Getting with a social outsider is not something girls are up for unless he's a violent chad. Better looking SEA girls generally live with their parents indefinitely and have no pressure to find a guy and have a shitton of orbiters and social connections given how ugly and no value most south east asian women are.

Non high end social circles in Asia are generally a waste of time. It's like hanging with the nerdy kids in highschool playing pokemon. (grown up 30 year old thais in fact still play yugi oh card games or something like that with their friends )

The main conclusion is: Why bother? It's a third world shithole, people are generally low value and nasty, the place is potentially dangerous, you can't really make money from your connections and upper class locals sure as hell don't want you to bang upper class local women. If you're 50+, worn out and below average looking I can see why you might put up with it but if you're younger you're wasting your time.

(03-17-2019 01:36 PM)HowOneBecomesWhatOneIs Wrote:  So this helps explain the difference between my experience and those reports of guys a banging a different girl each day. . .

My game and general strategy still suck so I need advice.

Disclaimer : I'm not in Ph specifically to party or game girls. I have to be here for my job so, with other things going on, I go out once or twice a week only including any 1 to 1 dates. I use online dating but I'm not paying for anything.

Despite my dry spell at the beginning and another one in February. I still have been banging an average slightly above 1 new girl per month, deliberately avoiding repetitions or "dumpster diving". I know this is still quite bad for this place.

The problem :
Despite everything that is said, the "international" social circles are plagued by drama, amoging and Korean levels of cockblocking. All for a few girls none above 6 or 7. Mostly 3s, 4s and 5s.
I take pride that I have systematically pulled despite the interruptions and amoging of multiple guys. This also proves that, again, despite everything that is said, a lot of guys still suck even more than I and are, obviously, desperate.
I notice I waste a lot of time in these circles. I often end up wasting a Friday or Saturday night in places and company that discourage cold approaching, with drama happening the times I broke off. I haven't met any potential wingmen.

Online, I'm getting a few matches everyday but getting them talking and out is another story. One of these apps says over 9000 people liked me, 700 the day my plane landed. From that particular app I have still to meet with anyone. I have tried customized openers, copy paste of openers I googled up, random stupid stuff, "hi". . . Statistically, I can't confirm any of these strategies being better. I even had girls go psycho on me when discussing logistics on whatsapp. I did bang a few, somewhere between 5 and 6. My future prospects are also around 6.
7s, 8s and 9s are nowhere to be seen. . .
I've seen, very ocassionally, a foreigner or a (rich?) fat local with an 8 or 9. But I don't know where they met them. Definitely not where I'm operating.

So, even if my game was perfect, I would, maybe, be adding two or three 7s to my laycount and most likely yet more 5s and 6s. . .

Value-wise I have my stuff together to theoretically get an 8 or a solid 7. Not to brag but I have both the "nice job" and the "six-pack" part of the equation. Exotic flair (I'm from a middle income country you normally don't see a lot of people from). Because of the things I went through to improve myself, an absurd amount of travel/life stories. . . I even think it's overkill for most of these girls that have never left their country and have never read a book but are still couch-potatoes. . .

Question :
So what should I be doing? Take a cab and go alone to Xylo or Cove and cold approach everything on sight? Spend some weekend hours daygaming in Greenbelt? It's obvious I have to change something. . .

how times have changed. i used to have 6s and 7s bombarding my phone wanting to meet in 2013-2014. no game was required.. its been dead since 2016. declining every year...

When guys are talking about Philippines isn't the best place to go anymore, are they including places like Davao too? I want to go to the Philippines but I don't want to go to Cebu or Manila, I would much rather go to Davao and than explore the surrounding Islands/Beaches etc while meeting women.

(03-19-2019 05:24 PM)Titus Pullo Wrote:  When guys are talking about Philippines isn't the best place to go anymore, are they including places like Davao too? I want to go to the Philippines but I don't want to go to Cebu or Manila, I would much rather go to Davao and than explore the surrounding Islands/Beaches etc while meeting women.

Then do it man. At the end of the day your experience is your experience alone. You are not going to have the same good OR bad experience as some people here. I am going there in April and already plan on meeting plenty of girls. Some of them are 5 or 6 and some are at least 8+. Of course my ratings are different just like anyone else, and I know I will at least have a experience I will never forget. To me that is the most important part of any trip.

I was thinking about going there in April myself. May I ask you how much you paid for your plane ticket and what is your logistical planning like (are you staying in the same hotel for a week, moving to a new location/island every other day etc)? I want to backpack/ride a dirtbike in the countryside/beaches and not be in the city at all, but then I feel like I risk not meeting any girls because I look like a fucking backpacker Lol.

(03-19-2019 05:55 PM)Titus Pullo Wrote:  I was thinking about going there in April myself. May I ask you how much you paid for your plane ticket and what is your logistical planning like (are you staying in the same hotel for a week, moving to a new location/island every other day etc)? I want to backpack/ride a dirtbike in the countryside/beaches and not be in the city at all, but then I feel like I risk not meeting any girls because I look like a fucking backpacker Lol.

I paid 720 bucks for a 1 week roundtrip. I am going all over the place so I am not just there for the girls lol. You could try to find a girl that is willing to go with you. I am confident there are plenty of girls that will go to different locations and hike around places like Chocolate Hills. But the question would be if the girl you would take is willing to pay herself on these trips or would you have to pay for her.

. . .just a comment that in the thrashy international circles i.e. mostly locals and low budget travellers, some of the girls do actively throw themselves at backpacker-looking guys, if they seem anglosaxon or nordic. . . No game required indeed.

I look like a short mediterranean type going for a more smooth style ; I've had this type of girls drop me mid-conversation to go approach some haggard-looking drunk guy in cargo shorts, sandals and baggy t-shirt that had just stumbled in.

I digress but often this type of girls hate my guts. It's like, unlike European girls, they don't "get" what I'm trying to sell. Lol
My unapologetic, opinionated and uncooperative style probably doesn't help either, even when it's mostly tongue-in-cheek. The "push" part of push-pull falls on them like the Hiroshima bomb. I often catch some locals giving me angry stares from afar but that's entering social circle drama territory. . .

Anyway, I've even seen these types take 50+ year olds and/or downright lame fat guys dressed like stereotypical backpackers as boyfriends. Not that you necessarily have to be like that but just saying. . .

(03-19-2019 10:42 PM)HowOneBecomesWhatOneIs Wrote:  . . .just a comment that in the thrashy international circles i.e. mostly locals and low budget travellers, some of the girls do actively throw themselves at backpacker-looking guys, if they seem anglosaxon or nordic. . . No game required indeed.

I look like a short mediterranean type going for a more smooth style ; I've had this type of girls drop me mid-conversation to go approach some haggard-looking drunk guy in cargo shorts, sandals and baggy t-shirt that had just stumbled in.

I digress but often this type of girls hate my guts. It's like, unlike European girls, they don't "get" what I'm trying to sell. Lol
My unapologetic, opinionated and uncooperative style probably doesn't help either, even when it's mostly tongue-in-cheek. The "push" part of push-pull falls on them like the Hiroshima bomb. I often catch some locals giving me angry stares from afar but that's entering social circle drama territory. . .

Anyway, I've even seen these types take 50+ year olds and/or downright lame fat guys dressed like stereotypical backpackers as boyfriends. Not that you necessarily have to be like that but just saying. . .

I feel for you, man.

Also, selfishly, its nice to hear anglo saxon men are popular.

AsiaBaller, what you saw is mostly true.

The typical Asian immaturity is made worse here by the cultural void; pretty much like foreign oppression stunted their own natural development and at the same time left them psychologically messed up for generations. . .


But there's two problems :

First, if it was for hypergamy alone, I'd be doing great with the lower class girls, but as I just said, it's worse. The app where I have over 9000 likes and 0 meets is called Tan-Tan and it's a shithole like DIA (which I deleted after a couple days). I still get a bunch of matches per swiping session but not yet a minimally coherent conversation.
Instead, the girls I've banged so far are from Tinder and Bumble, where I only get a few new matches per week. There the conversion rate from 1st date to sex was 100%.
. . .and those and almost any other pulls I've managed, followed a basic structure of progress from basic polite conversation, to push-pull/banter to venue changes and deep-diving. As awkward as I may be. . .
In other words, because gold-digging/hypergamy is partial we are all already operating in a gray area that includes some "game" needed to maneuver. Better or worse. . .

Second, it may be a waste of time to come here for the girls, maybe. . . probably. . . But I'm stuck for a couple years for career reasons and already banging 5s and 6s. So going somewhere else is out of question, the hand, going gay, ladyboys, animals on the street, priesthood, that's all out of question. The only option is to try to figure out how can I improve what I'm already doing. . .

^ The girls who have hang out in foreigner social circles, are on Tinder, date white guys or go to Cove/BGC/Poblacion bars are the most convenient, most westernised so easiest to get on with and have a much higher proportion of hot ones but still only account for 1% of the 8 million females in Metro Manila.

If you're having a hard time with them, go for the other 99% of girls who have no experience of that kind of thing and you'll have some exotic value to. As long as you are at least as attractive as a small ugly Filipino guy in a mouldy t shirt and beat up flip flops earning 10k pesos a month whilst having an affair with their cousin then you'll be fine.

How did you manage to get a job working in Manila? That's something that a lot of people here would love to do and find very difficult whilst they find the girls easy. If you can help them out with advice for that then people will be much more willing to give advice on the girls.

Lol. . .ok. . .
I'll rephrase :

With exceptions, the only girls I seem to get along with is a subset of the westernized girls - more "professional" side. Looks in the 5-6 range.
Either way, I haven't seen many above 7.
I'm interested in knowing what are the good venues.

This thread is cracking me up. All the talk about the Phils being done. It's not. Sure there has been a decline in Makati/BGC. I mean, those places are practically 1st world. Get out of the cities beyond Cebu even. I follow girls I tindered in the cities on instagram. I see them posting pics at hotels I know they can't afford unless they are riding the carousel. There are a million islands where you will be greeted with rock star status. But hey, if you want your high speed internet and burger delivery then you deserve the Makati carousel riders.

This country has such a weird influence on middle-aged men. Almost cultish. Philippines has to be candy corn and rainbows and lily pads andthe moment you try and have a discussion about it you're a bad guy. It's almost sickening especially coming from guys who spent a month there and know absolutely nothing.

(03-20-2019 02:52 PM)Il Bersagliere Wrote:  This country has such a weird influence on middle-aged men. Almost cultish. Philippines has to be candy corn and rainbows and lily pads andthe moment you try and have a discussion about it you're a bad guy. It's almost sickening especially coming from guys who spent a month there and know absolutely nothing.

There are as many (or more) guys saying there's nothing good about the place as there are saying there's nothing bad about it. How about some nuance? There are some gutter sluts and some high quality women but most fall somewhere between. We can disagree about the percentages in each category, but not the existence of those categories.

Part of the reason for rose colored glasses is that even some of the most deceitful Filipina tramps possess a sweetness that is never seen in western low class whores.

(03-20-2019 02:52 PM)Il Bersagliere Wrote:  This country has such a weird influence on middle-aged men. Almost cultish. Philippines has to be candy corn and rainbows and lily pads andthe moment you try and have a discussion about it you're a bad guy. It's almost sickening especially coming from guys who spent a month there and know absolutely nothing.

Whats weirder, the guy who spends all his time talking about something he hates, or the guy talking about something he simply enjoys?

^I know you love me aero. That's why you keep following me around.

What about Davao City for white god factor overall picking up women instead of going to Manila?

(03-21-2019 09:59 AM)Titus Pullo Wrote:  What about Davao City for white god factor overall picking up women instead of going to Manila?

white god factor is dead in most SEA... maybe still possible in provinces.. you can still score 5s and 6s. you will not lay those 7s and 8s easy like before..game and looks required.

All this is I can confirm. . .
The typical pinoy social circle is a dump; it's like hanging out with nerdy middle school kids or worse. . .
The girls who are specifically banging expats are riding the carousel; the one you bang today will bang a skinny 19 year old backpacker next weekend and some obese old guy the weekend after.

I add : The most obvious social circles for foreigners are thrash; a sausage fest with a few chubby girls and maybe one 6 or 7. Even if I pull that 6 after dealing with insufferable cockblocking/amoging (which I did, which I do) that means I'm leaving behind at least a couple dozen guys that are most likely not get any that night (and making enemies in the process; having them come amog me even harder next time). That's not my idea of "easy".

What remains then?
- To go roll solo in specific clubs? Which ones?
- To slowly establish yourself in more exclusive social circles? . . .which I'm doing but for other reasons.

Why has DIA became so bad now?