Post: #151

(04-05-2014 10:33 AM)berserk Wrote:  

(04-05-2014 10:21 AM)soup Wrote:  

(04-05-2014 04:15 AM)berserk Wrote:  

(04-04-2014 11:08 PM)soup Wrote:  So far the most interesting part of this thread is when someone said the Jews illegally amassed money from Germany.

Let's hear more details about this..

Study what happened in the early to mid nineties in Russia and then you understand the basic concept as it happened in the Weimar republic.

The story is basically like this:

Some kind of war or civil unrest amassing huge debts for the government -> new corrupt leadership -> jews take positions or influence those in power of financial decisions in government and central bank -> buy up previously state owned business for pennies on the dollar with foreign jewish loans OR hyperinflate the economy to achieve the same effect -> use that money to buy media.

Same thing happened in Argentina as well, though with other players than jews in it as well.

Where the Jews breaking any rules? Anyone could have done that.

Yes, they broke many rules, bribed officials among other things and outright stole billions such as when Boris Berezovsky took money from poor russians investing in his sham company a practice known as embezzlement.

But you seem very focused on nitpicking legality, even though their actions in Russia were indeed illegal.

I wonder why that is and why you don't see a moral problem with a bunch of jews bringing in money from Soros and Rothschild and robbing an entire nation of the wealth and companies they and their parent and grandparents have worked hard to build up over 100 years. Is that ok if someone makes it legal?

Watch this Youtube if you are actually interested. All the things discussed about the characteristics of certain jews are shown in full view here, as much as Boris Berezovsky saying straight up on TV how they bought Jeltsin and ran the country. Berezovsky died recently under mysterious circumstances too, a broken man, both financially and spiritually.

I'm asking for details for a good reason. It's important that people see that their are individuals who are responsible for the actions. You cannot blame an entire group of people for those crimes.

No matter how tightly knit the Jewish community seems, not every Jew is Madoff. There were plenty of poor Shtetl Jews as well.

That's like blaming every Italian for the mafia.

Not the reality.

I agree that we shouldn't white wash history and say that all Jews are special blah blah etc. Obviously this is not true. There's always going to be some bad actors.

Even if the community benefitted from their acts, it doesn't mean that all the Jews were either directly or indirectly involved in those crimes.

So, when you make a thread titled "Jews, Terrorism, and Israel," keep in mind that you are then talking about all Jews.

Stop making generalizations like that.

Post: #152

Here's the basic problem:
If you tell a Jewish girl you won't sleep with her because she's Jewish you're an anti-semite. But if a Jewish girl tells you she won't sleep with you because you're not Jewish she's just being a good Jew.

Post: #153

(04-05-2014 12:35 PM)Ensam Wrote:  Here's the basic problem:
If you tell a Jewish girl you won't sleep with her because she's Jewish you're an anti-semite. But if a Jewish girl tells you she won't sleep with you because you're not Jewish she's just being a good Jew.

Why would you ever have to be in either of those positions?

Girls say all types of stupid shit as LMR.

I never thought I see the day on here when someone is blaming their bad game on Jews.

Post: #154

You took that far too literally though in doing so you make a great point. Someone who complains that the Jews are keeping them out of hollywood/business/banking/whatever probably isn't very good at what they're trying to do.

The point I was trying to make that there's an attitude I've heard expressed by some Jewish friends (well usually their parents or grandparents) that anything shitty that's done to them is anti-semitism and anything shitty they do to someone non-jewish is ok because they're not one of the tribe. It's very tribal and not a good way of making friends in a community you're trying to integrate into.

Post: #155

(04-05-2014 01:36 PM)Ensam Wrote:  You took that far too literally though in doing so you make a great point. Someone who complains that the Jews are keeping them out of hollywood/business/banking/whatever probably isn't very good at what they're trying to do.

The point I was trying to make that there's an attitude I've heard expressed by some Jewish friends (well usually their parents or grandparents) that anything shitty that's done to them is anti-semitism and anything shitty they do to someone non-jewish is ok because they're not one of the tribe. It's very tribal and not a good way of making friends in a community you're trying to integrate into.

Of course anyone blaming other people for their own lack of initiative or success is bullshitting.

I don't know any Jews that say that kind of shit, and I know a lot of Jews.

Post: #156

Say anything that goes against the Jews or that the Jews don't like, you are an anti Semite, a neo nazi and the scum of the earth.

Say anything against women, fatties, feminists and faggots and you are a misogynistic and homophobic barbarian pig who should be castrated.

Notice any similarity here boys?

Post: #157

(04-05-2014 01:43 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  Say anything that goes against the Jews or that the Jews don't like, you are an anti Semite, a neo nazi and the scum of the earth.

Say anything against women, fatties, feminists and faggots and you are a misogynistic and homophobic barbarian pig who should be castrated.

Notice any similarity here boys?

You are making a huge generalization.

Post: #158

Of course there are going to be generalizations made in this thread.

When we say there are a lot of IRTs, it doesn't mean all Indians are IRTs. When people bring up that blacks have a problem with fatherless homes, it doesn't mean that ALL blacks are fatherless. When people bring up something about Jews...

The point is, pointing out that there are huge generalizations being made, and that not everyone falls into a category, doesn't actually make any point.

There are problems with every community, but the problems that people point out with the Jewish community always leads to someone being blamed for being anti-semitic.

Can you believe it took so many years of people skirting the issue about the powerful Israel Lobby until two Ivy League professors decided to write a book about it and, in a sense, pop the cyst that everyone knew about but was too afraid to bring up?

That's the problem when one group becomes so powerful, and is in a sense fairly tribal. No one wants to ruin their chances at a career or whatever by bringing up the big elephant in the room.

Post: #159

Soup,
Am I really? Take a look at the responses on this thread, some of them highly emotional, almost alarmingly female like.

Post: #160

What would happen if someone here made a thread called:

"Blacks"

?

or

"Whites" ?

Post: #161

(04-05-2014 01:43 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  Say anything that goes against the Jews or that the Jews don't like, you are an anti Semite, a neo nazi and the scum of the earth.

Say anything against women, fatties, feminists and faggots and you are a misogynistic and homophobic barbarian pig who should be castrated.

Notice any similarity here boys?

False analogy.

Women, just like men, have objective biological characteristics - brain structure, hormonal levels - which have been proven to determine character by peer-reviewed scientific studies. Fatties and feminists are what they are because they have chosen to be that way. Homosexuals are a mix of objective biological and self-chosen characteristics (and hard to generalize about outside homosexual preferances).

Jews are - what? Biologically no different than anyone else, depending on sex. DNA's about the same as Arabs or Eastern Europeans, depending on individual ancestry.

Sure you can talk about Madoff, or Jordan Belfort, the "Wolf of Wall Street." Sure they were shaped by culture or subcultures.

Are tribes tribal? Sure. That extends to any tribe. There are even "tribes" in the U.S. military, for example Irish American officers in the USMC and black Prince Hall masons in the U.S. Army. What gets me about this discussion is that people talk about Jews being a tribe without seeing their own tribe.

To generalize to "the Jews" does not make sense, because there's no characteristic that can be objectively identified. How can you draw a generalization about behavior across Glenn Greenwald, Gene Simmons, Albert Einstein, Scarlett Johannson, Bernie Madoff, Jerry Seinfeld, and my dentist?

Post: #162

(04-05-2014 08:27 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  Jews are - what? Biologically no different than anyone else

Weeelllll.....

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewi...t-1.428664

Quote:In his new book, “Legacy: A Genetic History of the Jewish People,” Harry Ostrer, a medical geneticist and professor at Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York, claims that Jews are different, and the differences are not just skin deep. Jews exhibit, he writes, a distinctive genetic signature. Considering that the Nazis tried to exterminate Jews based on their supposed racial distinctiveness, such a conclusion might be a cause for concern. But Ostrer sees it as central to Jewish identity.

Post: #163

(04-04-2014 08:32 PM)NY Digital Wrote:  

(04-04-2014 07:55 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  Non-Whites helped build America, but yet you still hear the "this is a White, Christian nation" declaration.

The majority of the people that built America was white though.

As well as a small percentage being black.

But did American whites consider them white in the same way they considered THEMSELVES white? Did they consider them equals, or beneath them? I mean damn...the Irish were referred to as the "niggers of Europe." Italians weren't seen much differently.

Post: #164

(04-05-2014 09:12 PM)Collide Wrote:  

(04-05-2014 08:27 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  Jews are - what? Biologically no different than anyone else

Weeelllll.....

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewi...t-1.428664

Quote:In his new book, “Legacy: A Genetic History of the Jewish People,” Harry Ostrer, a medical geneticist and professor at Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York, claims that Jews are different, and the differences are not just skin deep. Jews exhibit, he writes, a distinctive genetic signature. Considering that the Nazis tried to exterminate Jews based on their supposed racial distinctiveness, such a conclusion might be a cause for concern. But Ostrer sees it as central to Jewish identity.

Sure. What does this prove?
Among the Jews themselves, DNA is more variant than between Jews and other groups. And of course, the individual person is infinitely variable depending on ancestry.

Looks like the Lebanese are the closest to Ashkenazi Jews. Not surprising. Berbers and Sephardic Jews a bit surprising, but understandable when you consider the North African part.

Post: #165

(04-04-2014 10:43 PM)Cunnilinguist Wrote:  What they DONT teach is that Bolshevism in Russia was mainly a Jewish movement which resulted in the deaths of millions of ordinary Russians.

Most of the head honchos of the failed German Revolution were Jews too.

Post: #166

One thing that's not being discussed here is the higher IQ scores of Ashkenazi Jews. It's a fact that they have higher average scores than other races, forgive me for quoting slate :http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_nature/2007/11/jewgenics.html

So they tend to do better than the general population in school and rise up the career ladder faster. More than the tribal aspect I would give credit to their higher IQs for their success in becoming CEOs and controlling industries.

Post: #167

Throughout history the smartest Jews became Rabbis - and had children.

And the smartest Christians became priests and monks - and had none.

Dysgenics for the win!

Post: #168

(04-06-2014 08:54 AM)Swagger Wrote:  One thing that's not being discussed here is the higher IQ scores of Ashkenazi Jews. It's a fact that they have higher average scores than other races, forgive me for quoting slate :http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_nature/2007/11/jewgenics.html

So they tend to do better than the general population in school and rise up the career ladder faster. More than the tribal aspect I would give credit to their higher IQs for their success in becoming CEOs and controlling industries.

I see, are you willing to extend that reasoning across all ethnicities?

Post: #169

(04-05-2014 01:36 PM)Ensam Wrote:  You took that far too literally though in doing so you make a great point. Someone who complains that the Jews are keeping them out of hollywood/business/banking/whatever probably isn't very good at what they're trying to do.

The point I was trying to make that there's an attitude I've heard expressed by some Jewish friends (well usually their parents or grandparents) that anything shitty that's done to them is anti-semitism and anything shitty they do to someone non-jewish is ok because they're not one of the tribe. It's very tribal and not a good way of making friends in a community you're trying to integrate into.

Deleted. I'm going to relegate my postings to women-related stuff. Not sure this ethnic stuff is what I should be commenting on.

Post: #170

(04-04-2014 10:12 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

(04-04-2014 08:48 PM)Courage Reborn Wrote:  I'm not a history buff, but what you wrote there sounds accurate. With the exception of, Jews were too "arrogant" to leave Germany when Hitler came to power. This is simply not true. At the time, nobody could have predicted the horrors that were about to come our way. By the time the writing was on the wall, it was too late, and Jews couldn't get out unless they had heavyweight connections, or remaining wealth. The movie Schindler's List tells this story better than I can. I'd implore you to see it if you have not already done so.

It's clear you're not a history buff, because nothing you wrote above is close to being accurate. Far from not letting Jews leave, the Nazis were actively encouraging Jews to leave the country throughout the 1930s. At the Evian Conference in 1938, over 30 countries met to discuss allowing German Jews into their countries as political refugees en masse.

Hitler's direct quote regarding the conference: "I can only hope and expect that the other world, which has such deep sympathy for these criminals [Jews], will at least be generous enough to convert this sympathy into practical aid. We, on our part, are ready to put all these criminals at the disposal of these countries, for all I care, even on luxury ships."

So not only was Hitler not closing the borders to Jews, he offered to send them away on luxury cruise ships. The problem is that no country in the West wanted them. Then the war broke out with hundreds of thousands of Jews still living in Germany. Hitler viewed them as a potential threat as spies and saboteurs, and interned them in concentration camps like the U.S. did with its Japanese population.

And Schindler's List is a work of fiction. It's a film based on a novel, which is loosely based on historical events. It's not meant to be a documentary of what actually happened, it's meant to elicit a sympathetic emotional reaction from the viewer. It's a piece of Holocaust propaganda that portrays Jews as righteous victims and Nazis as murderous psychopaths. For example, there's a scene in the film where the Nazi head of the prison camp is randomly shooting Jews from his balcony with a high powered rifle, appearing totally cold and even bored. This is simply an outrageous fabrication, and like many of the claims surrounding the Holocaust (shrunken heads, soap made from human fat) has no basis in reality. It's a propaganda film, pure and simple. The fact that you would pass it off as actually being an accurate historic portrayal would be laughable if it weren't such a common mistake. But such is the power of the Jewish media and entertainment apparatus to produce and disseminate its propaganda.

Why is this sort of Holocaust propaganda continually produced, and why are Holocaust museums scattered across the U.S. and Europe? Norman Finkelstein (a Jew) addressed this topic damningly in his book The Holocaust Industry:

Quote:In an iconoclastic and controversial study, Norman G. Finkelstein moves from an interrogation of the place the Holocaust has come to occupy in American culture to a disturbing examination of recent Holocaust compensation agreements. It was not until the Arab-Israeli War of 1967, when Israel’s evident strength brought it into line with US foreign policy, that memory of the Holocaust began to acquire the exceptional prominence it enjoys today. Leaders of America’s Jewish community were delighted that Israel was now deemed a major strategic asset and, Finkelstein contends, exploited the Holocaust to enhance this newfound status. Their subsequent interpretations of the tragedy are often at variance with actual historical events and are employed to deflect any criticism of Israel and its supporters. Recalling Holocaust fraudsters such as Jerzy Kosinski and Binjamin Wilkomirski, as well as the demagogic constructions of writers like Daniel Goldhagen, Finkelstein contends that the main danger posed to the memory of Nazism’s victims comes not from the distortions of Holocaust deniers but from prominent, self-proclaimed guardians of Holocaust memory. Drawing on a wealth of untapped sources, he exposes the double shakedown of European countries as well as legitimate Jewish claimants, and concludes that the Holocaust industry has become an outright extortion racket. Thoroughly researched and closely argued, The Holocaust Industry is all the more disturbing and powerful because the issues it deals with are so rarely discussed.

Essentially, the Holocaust story gives Jews carte blanche to get away with a lot of shit since they can claim victim status while in actuality being the most powerful and advantaged minority group in the world. More interestingly, the Holocaust has actually become a sort of secular Jewish religion that further unites all Jews and serves to heap guilt on whites at the same time. So naturally when dealt such a trump card, the Jews play it as much as they can get away with.

Scorpion really lifts the veil here, relating how the German Nazis were not alone in discriminating against Jews. Actually, rampant antisemitism worldwide enabled the Holocaust as the countries represented at the Evian conference REFUSED to grant entry to Jews made stateless by Nazi control of Germany beyond the already small numbers allowed in yearly.

To give an idea of the level of antisemitism in the US in that period;

Quote:In a 1938 poll, approximately 60 percent of the respondents held a low opinion of Jews, labeling them “greedy,” “dishonest,” and “pushy.”[23] 41 percent of respondents agreed that Jews had "too much power in the United States," and this figure rose to 58 percent by 1945. In 1939 a Roper poll found that only thirty-nine percent of Americans felt that Jews should be treated like other people. Fifty-three percent believed that "Jews are different and should be restricted" and ten percent believed that Jews should be deported.[24] Several surveys taken from 1940 to 1946 found that Jews were seen as a greater threat to the welfare of the United States than any other national, religious, or racial group.[25]

Further reading;
link

Going by those numbers and others, it becomes obvious that politicians in the US could and would have been elected on a largely antisemitic platform.

Basically, the Holocaust would have been prevented had the rest of the world simply allowed the immigration of the stateless German Jews. Thing is the rest of the world didn't want them either.

The result today is that many groups and individuals have co-opted the use of the Holocaust to shout down opposition to their views by simply comparing seemingly any contrasting position to Hitler. Fact is the countries that refused entry to the refugees were complicit in their genocide.

This is not to say that I believe other countries would have exterminated Jews as a matter of policy. However, it was common knowledge to those in power what was happening in Germany and little to nothing was done about it, nor was it publicized until the concentration camps were liberated at the end of the war. The liberation of the camps lifted the lid of secrecy.

Fun fact-Sosua in the DR, a haven for expats and hookers, was originally set up for German Jewish refugees.


Edit-Take away the extermination of people he felt were a threat to his country, and Hitler can be seen in a very different light.

Post: #171

That's a big chunk to take away, like ordering a hamburger but with no meat.

Post: #172

My first post but its a subject that I'm passionate about.

First you have to always bare in mind the difference between Zionism Judiasm. Often the difference is large and I would consider the whole of Zionism to be a bit aggressive.

For those that poke at the Palestinians, lets not forget that they are an occupied people that have been encroched on by and aggressive invader many times more powerful them selves. They can use any means nessesary to try and improve their situation. You would, they have, they are. The Palestinians are 25% christian and they are just as oppressed by the Israelis as the muslims. The muslim/christian relations in Palestine is fairly amicable.

The Israelis are the original terrorists of the region but their overwhelming control of the education and media around the world does an impressive job at covering this up. They can whack 1000 palestinians but if a palestinian got lucky and whacked one of them with a home made rocket (think about that level of desperation) it will be around the world in headlines in a day and the response would be overwhelming. We have even been complicit in the hiding of the fact that they have killed more americans then any palestinians (the USS Liberty, etc.) and they virtually control our senate and congress (disgraceful, treason in my eyes).
Just my .02 cents

Post: #173

Post: #174

(04-05-2014 02:56 PM)soup Wrote:  What would happen if someone here made a thread called:

"Blacks"

?

or

"Whites" ?

There's a 40 page thread on Indians.

Post: #175

Quote:Basically, the Holocaust would have been prevented had the rest of the world simply allowed the immigration of the stateless German Jews. Thing is the rest of the world didn't want them either.

The result today is that many groups and individuals have co-opted the use of the Holocaust to shout down opposition to their views by simply comparing seemingly any contrasting position to Hitler. Fact is the countries that refused entry to the refugees were complicit in their genocide.

Even if this had happened and all the German Jews had been deported and taken into other countries. There would still of being another problem if Germany had been successful in conquering Eastern Europe and parts of the USSR there were 3.5 million Jews in Poland alone and around 9.5 million jews in Europe all together, how are you going to organise the deportation and relocation of 9.5 million people?