What they DONT teach is that Bolshevism in Russia was mainly a Jewish movement which resulted in the deaths of millions of ordinary Russians.

I'm in agreement with Scorpion here - the Holocaust was a tragedy but some parts or glossed over or ignored.

A common misconception is that they were simply sent to be butchered or gassed for no reason at all. They were primarily a source of labor - along with Soviet prisoners, political prisoners, etc. When nearly all adult men in Germany were sent to the front, they built/maintained much of the infrastructure in Germany, as well as occupied territory. With resources as scarce as they were to Germany, it made no sense to kill off the only people capable of providing manual labor. Beyond that, crematoriums were used for the dead, not for the living. It was a way to dispose of remains, rather than murder people, as many people are taught at a young age.

Again, no denying it was a tragedy. But emotions tend to blur truth, and over the course of decades, facts are eroded and only an underlying sentiment remains. The result: films like Schindler's List.

(04-04-2014 10:45 PM)Blick Mang Wrote:  I'm in agreement with Scorpion here - the Holocaust was a tragedy but some parts or glossed over or ignored.

A common misconception is that they were simply sent to be butchered or gassed for no reason at all. They were primarily a source of labor - along with Soviet prisoners, political prisoners, etc. When nearly all adult men in Germany were sent to the front, they built/maintained much of the infrastructure in Germany, as well as occupied territory. With resources as scarce as they were to Germany, it made no sense to kill off the only people capable of providing manual labor. Beyond that, crematoriums were used for the dead, not for the living. It was a way to dispose of remains, rather than murder people, as many people are taught at a young age.

Again, no denying it was a tragedy. But emotions tend to blur truth, and over the course of decades, facts are eroded and only an underlying sentiment remains. The result: films like Schindler's List.

No one here said that the Nazi's didn't use them as slaves, and I don't know anybody who thinks that the Nazi's baked Jews alive instead of gassing them first.

Is there any reason to gas or butcher people?

"Why are you standing up for Hitler?" You are suggesting that just because he is taking an opposite stand of yours he automatically backs up Hitler I.E. no middle ground. To say he is standing up for Hitler puts the visual of him and Hitler together linking the two (ad Hitlerum).

"why should the Jews, who had been living for generations amongst the Germans, have to have given up their homes and lives like that? "

Appeal to emotion, argumentum ad populum

"was it arrogance really? Would you have just left? There were Jews who stuck around and actually faught against the Nazi's when the shit hit the fans. "

loaded questions, meaningless question, observational selection, you fail to also mention that Jews were boycotting German goods during WWI.

"The Jews served a great purpose to the Germans aside from any trading or cultural exchange- they provided a convenient scapegoat when things weren't going well."

red herring, half truths

If you are going to start talking about how the Jews are some kind of cultural disease, then you might as well start saying that the Germans are all blood thirsty killers who'd throw babies up in the air and catch them on bayonetes in front of their mothers.

no middle ground,non sequitur, appeal to emotion, circular reasoning, argumentum ad populum

Its what lawyers do when they're desperate make the opposition look like a jackass to get some supporters (not saying that you're desperate nor am I saying you're trying to make anyone look like a jackass). Its the best example I could come up with.

Again, its commendable how you are "defending" Jews/Israelis so don't take anything I've written the wrong way.

Gee, with friendly, welcoming neighbors like (some of) you guys, I can't imagine why in the world jews after the Holocaust would want their own state/homeland.

(04-04-2014 10:52 PM)L M McCoy Wrote:  "Why are you standing up for Hitler?" You are suggesting that just because he is taking an opposite stand of yours he automatically backs up Hitler I.E. no middle ground. To say he is standing up for Hitler puts the visual of him and Hitler together linking the two (ad Hitlerum).

"why should the Jews, who had been living for generations amongst the Germans, have to have given up their homes and lives like that? "

Appeal to emotion, argumentum ad populum

"was it arrogance really? Would you have just left? There were Jews who stuck around and actually faught against the Nazi's when the shit hit the fans. "

loaded questions, meaningless question, observational selection, you fail to also mention that Jews were boycotting German goods during WWI.

"The Jews served a great purpose to the Germans aside from any trading or cultural exchange- they provided a convenient scapegoat when things weren't going well."

red herring, half truths

If you are going to start talking about how the Jews are some kind of cultural disease, then you might as well start saying that the Germans are all blood thirsty killers who'd throw babies up in the air and catch them on bayonetes in front of their mothers.

no middle ground,non sequitur, appeal to emotion, circular reasoning, argumentum ad populum

How is that a meaningless question?

I certainly did not know about this until now.

(04-04-2014 10:49 PM)soup Wrote:  

(04-04-2014 10:45 PM)Blick Mang Wrote:  I'm in agreement with Scorpion here - the Holocaust was a tragedy but some parts or glossed over or ignored.

A common misconception is that they were simply sent to be butchered or gassed for no reason at all. They were primarily a source of labor - along with Soviet prisoners, political prisoners, etc. When nearly all adult men in Germany were sent to the front, they built/maintained much of the infrastructure in Germany, as well as occupied territory. With resources as scarce as they were to Germany, it made no sense to kill off the only people capable of providing manual labor. Beyond that, crematoriums were used for the dead, not for the living. It was a way to dispose of remains, rather than murder people, as many people are taught at a young age.

Again, no denying it was a tragedy. But emotions tend to blur truth, and over the course of decades, facts are eroded and only an underlying sentiment remains. The result: films like Schindler's List.

No one here said that the Nazi's didn't use them as slaves, and I don't know anybody who thinks that the Nazi's baked Jews alive instead of gassing them first.

Is there any reason to gas or butcher people?

We were taught this in high school. When I visited Dachau, it was also told to many tour groups passing through.

(04-04-2014 10:54 PM)soup Wrote:  

(04-04-2014 10:52 PM)L M McCoy Wrote:  "Why are you standing up for Hitler?" You are suggesting that just because he is taking an opposite stand of yours he automatically backs up Hitler I.E. no middle ground. To say he is standing up for Hitler puts the visual of him and Hitler together linking the two (ad Hitlerum).

"why should the Jews, who had been living for generations amongst the Germans, have to have given up their homes and lives like that? "

Appeal to emotion, argumentum ad populum

"was it arrogance really? Would you have just left? There were Jews who stuck around and actually faught against the Nazi's when the shit hit the fans. "

loaded questions, meaningless question, observational selection, you fail to also mention that Jews were boycotting German goods during WWI.

"The Jews served a great purpose to the Germans aside from any trading or cultural exchange- they provided a convenient scapegoat when things weren't going well."

red herring, half truths

If you are going to start talking about how the Jews are some kind of cultural disease, then you might as well start saying that the Germans are all blood thirsty killers who'd throw babies up in the air and catch them on bayonetes in front of their mothers.

no middle ground,non sequitur, appeal to emotion, circular reasoning, argumentum ad populum

How is that a meaningless question?

Aw man, I edited it too late

Because asking if "he would have just left" is meaningless. Its pretty much common sense. He isn't going to stay and die now is he? Arrogance has a negative connotation to it and the first question has nothing to do with your overall point. Both of those question add no value to your argument whats so ever. They just increase its length.

So far the most interesting part of this thread is when someone said the Jews illegally amassed money from Germany.

Let's hear more details about this..

Scorp; The specifics on what Hitler said about hating Jews and when he said it is a topic you clearly know a lot about.

Fact; the asshole exterminated millions of innocent people, and you're essentially saying "he had his reasons".

So that, combined with, "Every time a Jew looks at a white man, he sees a potential Nazi" gem, I am officially having you taken off our reward list after we achieve global domination.


I'm fucking with you. But on the real; If you watched Schindlers List, and were not moved emotionally, then you need to do some soul searching friend.


With that, I am going to graciously exit this thread, and get back to getting money and fucking bitches. Something I think we can all agree is more interesting.

Grady: I see you can hardly have taken care of the business we discussed.
Jack: No need to rub it in, Mr. Grady. I'll deal with that situation as soon as I get out of here.
Grady: Will you indeed, Mr. Torrance? I wonder. I have my doubts. I and others have come to believe that your heart is not in this, that you haven't the belly for it.
Jack: Just give me one more chance to prove it, Mr. Grady. That's all I ask.
Grady: Your wife appears to be stronger than we imagined, Mr. Torrance. Somewhat more resourceful. She seems to have got the better of you.
Jack: For the moment, Mr. Grady. Only for the moment.
Grady: I fear you will have to deal with this matter in the harshest possible way, Mr. Torrance. I fear that is the only thing to do.
Jack: There's nothing I'd look forward to with greater pleasure, Mr. Grady.
Grady: You give your word on that, do you Mr. Torrance?
Jack: I give you my word.

Due to the massive amount of cultural propaganda people have received through the media over the past several decades, it's almost impossible to have a factual discussion of anything related to Jews or the Holocaust without people getting emotional and then attacking you. You can see how soup reacted to my last post - immediately emotional, dismissive, almost angry. Essentially "How dare you say that! How dare you stand up for Hitler!"

Of course, if you actually read my post, I never endorsed Hitler, I simply explained what he did. I presented facts about history instead of Jewish propaganda, and people get angry right away, simply because they're so used to a one-sided narrative. They've been conditioned to regard Jews and the Holocaust with almost mystical reverence, never to be questioned. Most people probably don't even realize this, but they intrinsically feel uncomfortable even discussing this subject. Why? Conditioning. Propaganda. Social pressure.

It's funny, most guys here consider themselves red pill, and laugh at feminists, white knights and blue pill guys for being delusional and refusing to look at reality objectively. And yet when you look at this topic, you see the same thing here. People afraid or uncomfortable with looking at things that don't mesh with their existing narrative. Guys who laugh mockingly at feminists who insist that men and women are the same react with anger to the idea that Jews exploit and exaggerate the Holocaust for their own benefit. It's strange, but understandable when you realize the extent of the propaganda most people have consumed. You pretty much need to stop consuming media entirely for months to even begin to de-program yourself, and most people have no interest in doing that, and are thus incapable of achieving anything even approximating an objective viewpoint on these type of controversial issues which have been heavily propagandized for years.

(04-04-2014 11:23 PM)scorpion Wrote:  Due to the massive amount of cultural propaganda people have received through the media over the past several decades, it's almost impossible to have a factual discussion of anything related to Jews or the Holocaust without people getting emotional and then attacking you. You can see how soup reacted to my last post - immediately emotional, dismissive, almost angry. Essentially "How dare you say that! How dare you stand up for Hitler!"

Of course, if you actually read my post, I never endorsed Hitler, I simply explained what he did. I presented facts about history instead of Jewish propaganda, and people get angry right away, simply because they're so used to a one-sided narrative. They've been conditioned to regard Jews and the Holocaust with almost mystical reverence, never to be questioned. Most people probably don't even realize this, but they intrinsically feel uncomfortable even discussing this subject. Why? Conditioning. Propaganda. Social pressure.

It's funny, most guys here consider themselves red pill, and laugh at feminists, white knights and blue pill guys for being delusional and refusing to look at reality objectively. And yet when you look at this topic, you see the same thing here. People afraid or uncomfortable with looking at things that don't mesh with their existing narrative. Guys who laugh mockingly at feminists who insist that men and women are the same react with anger to the idea that Jews exploit and exaggerate the Holocaust for their own benefit. It's strange, but understandable when you realize the extent of the propaganda most people have consumed. You pretty much need to stop consuming media entirely for months to even begin to de-program yourself, and most people have no interest in doing that, and are thus incapable of achieving anything even approximating an objective viewpoint on these type of controversial issues which have been heavily propagandized for years.

I never said anything imply that Jews should be regarded with "mystical reverence".

(04-04-2014 11:19 PM)Courage Reborn Wrote:  Scorp; The specifics on what Hitler said about hating Jews and when he said it is a topic you clearly know a lot about.

Fact; the asshole exterminated millions of innocent people, and you're essentially saying "he had his reasons".

So that, combined with, "Every time a Jew looks at a white man, he sees a potential Nazi" gem, I am officially having you taken off our reward list after we achieve global domination.


I'm fucking with you. But on the real; If you watched Schindlers List, and were not moved emotionally, then you need to do some soul searching friend.


With that, I am going to graciously exit this thread, and get back to getting money and fucking bitches. Something I think we can all agree is more interesting.

I agree with you but Schindler's list was emotionally manipulative Spielberg dreck.

Who are "the Jews?" For the haters, it's not enough to say they are members of an historically displaced ethnoreligious group of great diversity, who as individuals have great talent and "punch above their weight" in world affairs.

They have to construct some kind of conscious conspiracy or unconscious Darwinian competition in which "the Jews" are trying to defeat or subjugate the rest of us. They perceive an unfair advantage in which "the Jews" are bilking us economically and corrupting us culturally.

First, look at the economic aspect. The Jews, insofar as they are economically successful, are a lot like other displaced minorities which are economically successful. They are not very different in quality than the Chinese in Thailand, Malaysia, and the Philippines, the Indians in East Africa, the Lebanese in West Africa and South America, Muslim Tamils in Sri Lanka, the Armenians and Greeks everywhere. In all of these places, these minorities which do better than the majority do so due to self-discipline, hard work, a culture of entrepreneurialism and community trust. And what happens? The majority ends up hating them and trying to disable them, sometimes even persecuting them like Idi Amin did with the Indians in Uganda, or Sinhalese mobs trashing Muslim shops in Sri Lanka last year. People who resent the economic success of the Jews don't see the parallels with these other groups because of their narrow view.

Then there is the cultural aspect. Tribalists, ultranationalists, racialists all have a belief in the superiority or at least the high value of their own tribe. At the same time, they are afraid that their tribe is going to be wiped out. This includes some Jews, of course. In fact modernism, globalism, cosmopolitanism are threats to particular cultures and tribes.

I'm not talking about genocide or conquest, just the supercession or absorption of human tribes by other tribes through cultural assimilation or miscegenation. For some tribalists, "the Jews" are a stand-in for modernism and globalism and as the Stalinists and Nazis said, "rootless cosmopolitanism." Why are the Jews blamed?

It ended up that a high proportion of intellectuals and artists in the 20th (modernist and globalist "American") century were Jewish. The intellectual trends of the last 100 years propounding a cosmopolitan, universalist culture seem threatening to racial or tribal particularists. Modernism in art, or "degenerate art," - encompassing surrealism, jazz music, abstraction, etc, get blamed on the Jews.



"The Jews" get blamed for everything tribalists don't like, as if there's a conspiracy encompassing Ayn Rand, Noam Chomsky, Scarlett Johannson, Theodor Adorno, Mark Levin, Jon Stewart, and Milton Friedman. To me, it's fucking absurd.

In fact, the USA, cosmopolitanism, globalism or modernism is as much a threat to the Jews as any other group. For example, the rate of intermarriage and apostasy among American Jews is pretty high, high enough that Jews could eventually be absorbed and disappear in the USA's "melting pot."

Your view of globalism and cultural and genetic cross-fertilization depends on whether you think it can be stopped without severely authoritarian measures, because in a free world it's an unstoppable organic process that can only accelerate because of transportation and communications. The Jews are just one flavor in the mix, not the cook.

The world's a complicated place. But simple minds want simple answers.

I'm weighing in because of my own personal experience with the Jews who promoted my talents and mentored me, the most goy, at school and work, and the Jews I worked with as peers in the military and government. And my dentist.

(04-05-2014 02:17 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  They have to construct some kind of conscious conspiracy or unconscious Darwinian competition in which "the Jews" are trying to defeat or subjugate the rest of us. They perceive an unfair advantage in which "the Jews" are bilking us economically and corrupting us culturally.

Thanks to Cunnilinguist, I looked up the role Jews played in Bolshevist movement.

This comes from a website with an interesting name, but the quotes are pulled out of the history books:

Quote:"The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental and physical forces, become a reality all over the world." (The American Hebrew, September 10, 1920)

"There is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself, in the fact that so many Jews are Bolshevists. The ideals of Bolshevism are consonant with many of the highest ideals of Judaism." (Jewish Chronicle, London April, 4, 1919) "Some call it Marxism I call it Judaism." (The American Bulletin, Rabbi S. Wise, May 5, 1935).

"In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet communist party was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of the total population." (Stuart Kahan, The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81)

Interestingly, one of the first acts by the Bolsheviks was to make so-called "anti-Semitism" a capital crime. This is confirmed by Stalin himself:

"National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of cannibalism...under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the death penalty." (Stalin, Collected Works, vol. 13, p. 30).

While Christian churches across Russia were being destroyed and clergymen murdered by Communist gangs, synagogues and rabbis were left virtually untouched.

It was during this time that Bolshevik Commissars (many of them Jews) conducted a horrendous reign of terror against the non-Jewish Russian population. In one case alone, they deliberately starved to death 20 million Ukrainian farmers during the 1920's in one of the most vile campaigns in history: In (the) Ukraine, "Jews made up nearly 80 percent of the rank-and-file Cheka agents," reports W. Bruce Lincoln, an American professor of Russian history. . . "

Some modern historians estimate that upwards of 85-110 million persons were murdered in the 70 years of communist rule in Russia, many of them directly at the hands of Jews, and even more at the order of Jewish Communist bosses.

Source: http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-genocide-USS...orces.html

A Jewish led brain trust overthrew the Russian government and played a direct hand in the genocide of over 20 million Christian men.

We talk about the Holocaust being a harrowing tale. It seems that the Holocaust and Nazism was the Germans merely copying what the Jews did in Russia 20 years earlier.

If you really stand by your case, refute these quotes point by point because they go directly against what you are saying.

(04-05-2014 03:24 AM)All or Nothing Wrote:  

(04-05-2014 02:17 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  They have to construct some kind of conscious conspiracy or unconscious Darwinian competition in which "the Jews" are trying to defeat or subjugate the rest of us. They perceive an unfair advantage in which "the Jews" are bilking us economically and corrupting us culturally.

Thanks to Cunnilinguist, I looked up the role Jews played in Bolshevist movement.

This comes from a website with an interesting name, but the quotes are pulled out of the history books:

Quote:"The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental and physical forces, become a reality all over the world." (The American Hebrew, September 10, 1920)

"There is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself, in the fact that so many Jews are Bolshevists. The ideals of Bolshevism are consonant with many of the highest ideals of Judaism." (Jewish Chronicle, London April, 4, 1919) "Some call it Marxism I call it Judaism." (The American Bulletin, Rabbi S. Wise, May 5, 1935).

"In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet communist party was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of the total population." (Stuart Kahan, The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81)

Interestingly, one of the first acts by the Bolsheviks was to make so-called "anti-Semitism" a capital crime. This is confirmed by Stalin himself:

"National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of cannibalism...under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the death penalty." (Stalin, Collected Works, vol. 13, p. 30).

While Christian churches across Russia were being destroyed and clergymen murdered by Communist gangs, synagogues and rabbis were left virtually untouched.

It was during this time that Bolshevik Commissars (many of them Jews) conducted a horrendous reign of terror against the non-Jewish Russian population. In one case alone, they deliberately starved to death 20 million Ukrainian farmers during the 1920's in one of the most vile campaigns in history: In (the) Ukraine, "Jews made up nearly 80 percent of the rank-and-file Cheka agents," reports W. Bruce Lincoln, an American professor of Russian history. . . "

Some modern historians estimate that upwards of 85-110 million persons were murdered in the 70 years of communist rule in Russia, many of them directly at the hands of Jews, and even more at the order of Jewish Communist bosses.

Source: http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-genocide-USS...orces.html

A Jewish led brain trust overthrew the Russian government and played a direct hand in the genocide of over 20 million Christian men.

We talk about the Holocaust being a harrowing tale. It seems that the Holocaust and Nazism was the Germans merely copying what the Jews did in Russia 20 years earlier.

If you really stand by your case, refute these quotes point by point because they go directly against what you are saying.

1. It does not appear that a website named "jewwatch" has a balanced point of view.

2. If the quotes are accurate, what do random cherrypicked opinions of people from 1919 prove? Some rabbi saying something in 1919 proves what? You could "prove" anything about Christianity if you picked enough strange quotes from priests and ministers over the years.

3. It's not surprising that Bolshevism, initially a small movement of urban intellectuals based on Marxism had a lot of support among Jews. First, the Jews lived in the cities and as I said, many were intellectual. Second, the Czarist monarchy was historically anti-Semitic and would unleash pogroms against Jews. Third, the Czars were despots whom a lot of people wanted to replace.

4. When Stalin established a Jewish region in the USSR, where did he put it? Way out in Siberia.

5. Jews ended up being persecuted by Stalin. The lone Jew at the top of the revolution, Trotsky, got killed by him. Later on, Stalin had scores of Jewish writers and doctors killed, see "the Doctors' Plot."

6. Toward the end, the USSR made life tough for Jews and established an official "Soviet Anti Zionist Committee."

(04-04-2014 11:08 PM)soup Wrote:  So far the most interesting part of this thread is when someone said the Jews illegally amassed money from Germany.

Let's hear more details about this..

Study what happened in the early to mid nineties in Russia and then you understand the basic concept as it happened in the Weimar republic.

The story is basically like this:

Some kind of war or civil unrest amassing huge debts for the government -> new corrupt leadership -> jews take positions or influence those in power of financial decisions in government and central bank -> buy up previously state owned business for pennies on the dollar with foreign jewish loans OR hyperinflate the economy to achieve the same effect -> use that money to buy media.

Same thing happened in Argentina as well, though with other players than jews in it as well.

(04-04-2014 10:36 PM)NY Digital Wrote:  

(04-04-2014 10:19 PM)MaleDefined Wrote:  Scorpion,

Regardless of whether you think the Jews played a PR Ace of Spades with the Holocaust or not, can they be blamed for making a big deal of a massive injustice such as the Holocaust?

This is a big problem in America.

More people died that were non Jews in the Holocaust than just Jews alone.

They never mention the millions of Poles that died.

They never talk about the countless million others that died.

They always focus just on the number of Jews dying.

This is strong propaganda that begins in the classroom.

We never learned about Holomodor or the 30+ million people Stalin killed.

Or the countless other genocides.

It's all about the Holocaust.

That’s just not true. Whenever this discussion has arisen, they do mention the other groups of people that were persecuted.

Communism = abolishing money

Jews = control the worlds banks

Communism = Jews

WTF?

(04-05-2014 07:04 AM)cardguy Wrote:  Communism = abolishing money

Jews = control the worlds banks

Communism = Jews

WTF?

yup, it doesn't make sense......

(04-05-2014 07:04 AM)cardguy Wrote:  Communism = abolishing money

Jews = control the worlds banks

Communism = Jews

WTF?

There are still those at the top in a communist regime.

Kim Jong Un is sitting in his 18 bedroom palace somewhere petting his Siberian Tiger while smoking a Cuban.

Essentially they are both systems that keep wealth in the hands of the 0.1%

(04-05-2014 04:15 AM)berserk Wrote:  

(04-04-2014 11:08 PM)soup Wrote:  So far the most interesting part of this thread is when someone said the Jews illegally amassed money from Germany.

Let's hear more details about this..

Study what happened in the early to mid nineties in Russia and then you understand the basic concept as it happened in the Weimar republic.

The story is basically like this:

Some kind of war or civil unrest amassing huge debts for the government -> new corrupt leadership -> jews take positions or influence those in power of financial decisions in government and central bank -> buy up previously state owned business for pennies on the dollar with foreign jewish loans OR hyperinflate the economy to achieve the same effect -> use that money to buy media.

Same thing happened in Argentina as well, though with other players than jews in it as well.

Where the Jews breaking any rules? Anyone could have done that.

(04-05-2014 10:21 AM)soup Wrote:  

(04-05-2014 04:15 AM)berserk Wrote:  

(04-04-2014 11:08 PM)soup Wrote:  So far the most interesting part of this thread is when someone said the Jews illegally amassed money from Germany.

Let's hear more details about this..

Study what happened in the early to mid nineties in Russia and then you understand the basic concept as it happened in the Weimar republic.

The story is basically like this:

Some kind of war or civil unrest amassing huge debts for the government -> new corrupt leadership -> jews take positions or influence those in power of financial decisions in government and central bank -> buy up previously state owned business for pennies on the dollar with foreign jewish loans OR hyperinflate the economy to achieve the same effect -> use that money to buy media.

Same thing happened in Argentina as well, though with other players than jews in it as well.

Where the Jews breaking any rules? Anyone could have done that.

Yes, they broke many rules, bribed officials among other things and outright stole billions such as when Boris Berezovsky took money from poor russians investing in his sham company a practice known as embezzlement.

But you seem very focused on nitpicking legality, even though their actions in Russia were indeed illegal.

I wonder why that is and why you don't see a moral problem with a bunch of jews bringing in money from Soros and Rothschild and robbing an entire nation of the wealth and companies they and their parent and grandparents have worked hard to build up over 100 years. Is that ok if someone makes it legal?

Watch this Youtube if you are actually interested. All the things discussed about the characteristics of certain jews are shown in full view here, as much as Boris Berezovsky saying straight up on TV how they bought Jeltsin and ran the country. Berezovsky died recently under mysterious circumstances too, a broken man, both financially and spiritually.