Ive been noticing a trend of j-girls shaving more often than not. These arent just the gaijin loving type either.

Have you guys been seeing a distinct lack of bush recently as well?

Hey guys, I was in Osaka for the weekends and it really opened my eyes.

As a gamer in Tokyo, I had no idea how Kansai was like. Being the ignorant city rat I am growing up, I just assumed Kansai was going to be exactly like Tokyo albeit with the Kansai-ben. Boy was I wrong.

Osaka is hard. Like hard hard. I had one lay but she was an old friend and we were already going to meet up in Osaka so I don't count her. I had a day and a half. Tried both day and night game. Nothing. I could evoke the same responses from girls doing daygame but that was mainly using whatever little kansai-ben I knew to get a few giggles. I purposely avoided saying I was from Tokyo and just here on holiday, lying that I had just moved to Osaka from the capital because Japanese girls need that reassurance shit that I was a potential dating partner. I had 2 days so day game was honestly just to pass time. Night game is where it differed so much from Tokyo its scary.

I went to both an Osaka nightclub and a whynot party. In Tokyo, when a girl is down, she's down. LMR occurs but not alot and its normally just for show. In Osaka, I was making out with a girl for 2 hours, when I pulled her to the door, she said she wanted to dance somemore. I tried everything, I gave her more booze, I danced with her, I flirted, I made out with her and yet she still didn't let me pull her out of the club. I saw this one guy who was making out with another girl and she too left at the end of the night alone. It was scary, I have never experienced this ever from a J girl, makes me think Osaka is different country altogether man. Those who live in the Kansai/Osaka area, what are your experiences like? Is my description common fare in the area? I would go as far as to say that Tokyo girls are way easier. To use my shitty Kansai-ben, mecha mecha wakarahen~

(06-07-2015 06:32 AM)cascadecombo Wrote:  Ive been noticing a trend of j-girls shaving more often than not. These arent just the gaijin loving type either.

Have you guys been seeing a distinct lack of bush recently as well?

Definitely true. The rise of esthetic salons and Hollywood celebs like Paris Hilton has had an effect. I'm all for it.

(06-07-2015 08:13 PM)Zerdame Wrote:  Hey guys, I was in Osaka for the weekends and it really opened my eyes.

As a gamer in Tokyo, I had no idea how Kansai was like. Being the ignorant city rat I am growing up, I just assumed Kansai was going to be exactly like Tokyo albeit with the Kansai-ben. Boy was I wrong.

Osaka is hard. Like hard hard. I had one lay but she was an old friend and we were already going to meet up in Osaka so I don't count her. I had a day and a half. Tried both day and night game. Nothing. I could evoke the same responses from girls doing daygame but that was mainly using whatever little kansai-ben I knew to get a few giggles. I purposely avoided saying I was from Tokyo and just here on holiday, lying that I had just moved to Osaka from the capital because Japanese girls need that reassurance shit that I was a potential dating partner. I had 2 days so day game was honestly just to pass time. Night game is where it differed so much from Tokyo its scary.

I went to both an Osaka nightclub and a whynot party. In Tokyo, when a girl is down, she's down. LMR occurs but not alot and its normally just for show. In Osaka, I was making out with a girl for 2 hours, when I pulled her to the door, she said she wanted to dance somemore. I tried everything, I gave her more booze, I danced with her, I flirted, I made out with her and yet she still didn't let me pull her out of the club. I saw this one guy who was making out with another girl and she too left at the end of the night alone. It was scary, I have never experienced this ever from a J girl, makes me think Osaka is different country altogether man. Those who live in the Kansai/Osaka area, what are your experiences like? Is my description common fare in the area? I would go as far as to say that Tokyo girls are way easier. To use my shitty Kansai-ben, mecha mecha wakarahen~

Having only been to Tokyo a handful of times, and mostly just to fly out, I can't comment. But maybe I need to hit up Tokyo...

I must have been going to the wrong places, Zerdame. Everywhere I saw in Tokyo had ratios that would make your eyes water. The worst I saw was a club where, on top of there being 95% guys, they had roped-off no-men-allowed women's sections, so the few women that were there you couldn't even talk to. Guys would lean over the rope to try and talk to them. Club ratios are notoriously bad in Japan, but Tokyo blew my mind. The few girls always left with their friends too, though frankly this is the norm (the other day I saw a rare case of a guy who had pulled a girl outside, at sunrise, and was desperately trying to get her to go to a hoteru with him, but it ended in her jumping in a cab by herself).

I'd go as far as to say "a club is somewhere you go to drastically decrease the number of women around you, destroy your sleep, fuck up your lungs and voice, and waste large amounts of money".

The Skotch style of 'approach everywhere at anytime' is the best idea. I just wish my Japanese was as good as his. It's a universal law - the hot ones don't bother learning English to chase foreigners, it's the other way around. .

I've been to Tokyo a handful of times and I'll chime in saying my experiences mirrored yours Phoenix. The ratios were absolute shit, spent one night with a Native buddy (who English sounds like that of a black dude from Georgia) hitting up 6+ clubs in Shibuya and Roppongi not a single place had ratios better than 80-20.

With that said, the ratios at my buddies live rock show in Shibuya were 50/50 if not better. I had the best luck walking around with a buddy and a bottle of wine in hand talking to all the girls who were doing street drinks.

(06-07-2015 08:13 PM)Zerdame Wrote:  I purposely avoided saying I was from Tokyo and just here on holiday, lying that I had just moved to Osaka from the capital because Japanese girls need that reassurance shit that I was a potential dating partner.

Unnecessary. And not just for moralistic reasons but self-interest ones too.

Telling them the truth would create some urgency, i.e. you will be leaving soon she needs to avoid being her usual flaky self. Seems like pretending to be boyfriend material is your crutch. I'm telling you that you don't need to do that shit here. Be the short-term lover that J-girls get wet for.

Friend of mine used to fly in from US for 2-3 weeks at a time. Always told them he was going back in a couple of weeks. He had an incredible record of zero flakes ever. Zero! Urgency in action.

(06-07-2015 08:13 PM)Zerdame Wrote:  I had 2 days so day game was honestly just to pass time. Night game is where it differed so much from Tokyo its scary.
Those who live in the Kansai/Osaka area, what are your experiences like? Is my description common fare in the area? I would go as far as to say that Tokyo girls are way easier. To use my shitty Kansai-ben, mecha mecha wakarahen~

I found Osaka to be tough too. Street game feels easier because the girls are more outgoing, but it's kind of harder to tell if they like you. I'd constantly open girls and get nowhere.

In Tokyo where the default state is icy/shy/cold, you really know when they open up to you. I'm not sure if Osaka is harder per se, it's probably just a subtle difference in game styles and what we are used to.

As for Osaka vs Tokyo nightlife, Tokyo ratios may be bad but are there even any decent venues in Osaka? It's swings and roundabouts. Nightlife is poor in both cities these days. Practically everywhere I have visited in Asia is better for night game, except maybe Manila.

As someone who's been hitting the clubs a bit too much in Osaka lately I'll hop in here. I've actually never gotten anywhere with girls in Tokyo, even when I went three weekends ago. Found the club to be too cold. In Osaka, which has some decent clubs in my opinion, girls tend to be much easier to approach. But, of the last 4 I've bedded over the last 5 weeks or so from Osaka, only one was a ONS. The others I met in a club, got their line, and after messaging for one to three weeks got them out on a date and banged afterward. The funny thing is, all three of them would have seemed like lost causes at the end of the night to a gamer used to focusing on ONS's or on more Western-style game in general. They were all with friends so I couldn't isolate, so just hit the dance floor with the group or pair of girls, then eventually they pulled the "トイレ行って来る" shit and left me high and dry.

So I'm now 3/3 on date lays, and starting to focus entirely on that game model. One of them, who I went out with last night, I hadn't even approached. Instead I'd approached her friend who was giving my glances, but quickly realized who the hotter one was. So, when they started taking infinite photos and shit I made sure they were on the hotter one's phone while I posed with the ugly friend and told the hot one to take the photo. Of course pulled the "send me those photos" move to get her LINE ID, and the rest is history . As for how many numbers lead to dates though, it's hard to say cause some of them I decide not to pursue as I'm past the initial focusing on notches stage and moving towards only going out of my way for 7.5+ girls, but when a girl makes an approach easy I usually roll with it and decide later. Paid off in the case of the girl from yesterday who's a solid 8 and turned out to be quite busty in that special way only Japanese girls know how to keep hidden until you get their clothes off. Moral of the story is, LINE game and getting a girl out on a date have paid off by far the most for me in Osaka. The clubs have been perfect for this.

Also, I'm noticing a trend where if I can make a girl move exactly how I want/ask while making out or even just while sitting somewhere and escalating touching I can be certain she'll be down to bang. It just translates to them being pretty passive in bed and literally only doing what I tell them to which gets boring, but I have hope that I can get the ones who I keep around to become kinkier as time goes on. I'm talking like things I took for granted with girls in the states. Like, every girl who I've asked to give me head here has done it enthusiastically, but none have initiated. And God forbid they should decide to start fondling my balls or whatever while doing it, cause that would be like, two things at once right? Last two girls I was with in the states always pulled kinky shit like that and I loved it, and hate that it's not really possible to ask girls to do that here. Funny side note on this topic: I was escalating touching in karaoke with the girl from last night, and went for the make out by saying "キッスする？" (will you kiss me?) which sounds cheesy but some girls get all giggly and blushy about it which is great. So she says "まかせる" (I'll leave it to you/I'll let you decide) which I thought was cute. I looked it up in my dictionary app this morning though cause I figured it might have a more nuanced meaning than I'd initially thought, and one of the definitions is "to passively leave to someone else's facilities". Hilariously pertinent. Like a Japanese version of saying "Have your way with me" without really saying it.

One last thing: Unlike you lucky fucks I've been confronted by bush with every Japanese girl I've ever slept with. Do any of you guys have experience bringing it up with a girl and getting her to trim or shave? I hate going to finger a girl and having to comb through pubic hair. I trim myself so it's reasonable to ask them, but I feel like it's something most of them have never thought about.

Doge, you mean all 1st date bangs?

They're passive/submissive because that's how the Japanese guys like it. The more assertive style that many western girls have is off-putting to them so I'm told by the internet. Same thing with pubic hair - shaving is more slutty (but I think trimming is considered OK). Fortunately, I prefer submissive too, and I don't like shaved either.

Actually in one notable case the girl did 'active submissive'. Difficult to describe, but basically deliberately accenting her change from 'normal' to submitting. Kind of like she would 'melt' on initiation, which resulted in me destroying her like an animal. I much prefer it, as it amplifies your dominance and I think makes the sex better.

(06-08-2015 11:18 AM)Doge Wrote:  And God forbid they should decide to start fondling my balls or whatever while doing it, cause that would be like, two things at once right? Last two girls I was with in the states always pulled kinky shit like that and I loved it, and hate that it's not really possible to ask girls to do that here.

Oh, it's possible. You hear guys complain that Japanese girls are dead fish, but they're missing the point. They will do just about anything you say. I find the only two sticking points are facials and anal, which is about the same for all but the sluttiest American girls. If a girl is giving you head, but you want a ball cleaning, tell her to lick your nuts. If you don't know how to say that, grab her ponytail and direct her there. Choke her, spank her, pull her hair, cum on her clothes, go raw, bite her ass, have her masturbate while she rides you reverse cowgirl... She's down for whatever as long as you take her there with manly confidence.

If you're into girls who do all that stuff of their own volition, then you're shit out of luck.

(06-08-2015 07:44 PM)Skotch Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 11:18 AM)Doge Wrote:  And God forbid they should decide to start fondling my balls or whatever while doing it, cause that would be like, two things at once right? Last two girls I was with in the states always pulled kinky shit like that and I loved it, and hate that it's not really possible to ask girls to do that here.

Oh, it's possible. You hear guys complain that Japanese girls are dead fish, but they're missing the point. They will do just about anything you say. I find the only two sticking points are facials and anal, which is about the same for all but the sluttiest American girls. If a girl is giving you head, but you want a ball cleaning, tell her to lick your nuts. If you don't know how to say that, grab her ponytail and direct her there. Choke her, spank her, pull her hair, cum on her clothes, go raw, bite her ass, have her masturbate while she rides you reverse cowgirl... She's down for whatever as long as you take her there with manly confidence.

If you're into girls who do all that stuff of their own volition, then you're shit out of luck.

I've never really felt like j-girls were dead fish. Anytime I'd have them do something, like you just said, they would be all about it until I had them doing something else. Really makes a guy appreciate their tiny size, love throwing them around the bed.


That and as far as ONS goes, I've had infinitely better luck pulling girls from bars back to my place in the same night. Just like Doge was saying, most the girls I've gotten from clubs were also 1st date bangs.

I've never been with one who I'd actually call a dead fish - I can get them to move and all way more than they're used to, even with the girls who say they've never been on top before ("上？！本当？へえー" lol) and being able to throw their little bodies around makes it that much better. I let them know I don't play that missionary-only shit. But y'all are right in that it's almost always entirely on me and I clearly need to take it up a notch to get things to the level I prefer. I'll get on that grind asap.

(06-07-2015 06:32 AM)cascadecombo Wrote:  Ive been noticing a trend of j-girls shaving more often than not. These arent just the gaijin loving type either.

Have you guys been seeing a distinct lack of bush recently as well?

I had one girl who had her hair Lazered off.. . . LAZERED. . .

She's one of the few girls I've ever ate out, that shit was like licking a clean plate. I just couldn't not do it lol.

I also had one girl tickle my balls while she was riding me, that shit was a-mazing. ..she was my #1 of all time.

I was thinking she was a pro since she was a 20 year old 9 who knew how to fuck.

During my trip this time I noticed lots of ads on the train for "total body hair removal". I guess that's a clever way of avoiding the embarrassment of having to ask to remove the hair down there. The days of the total bush may be numbered!

I need to correct some info I dropped recently. The cheap, crummy love hotel in Shibuya isn't Hotel Lilly. It's Hotel Silk. I know that because I took another woman to it today. In this case, I knew she wouldn't care that it smelled and looked old.

I had a previous post in here talking about some phone I found on the street a few weeks ago and turned into the koban.

I got a call from the owner and it was some chick, she wanted to repay me for not stealing her phone so I opted to meet her in person. The location I found the phone in is an area frequented by younger girls. When I met the chick she was like 5 foot if that and had a tight little body. She gave me a box of cakes and a convini gift card for 3000￥, and I in turn took her to an isakaya and hookah bar that night. Hookah like darts are something I use for lots of excusable physical contact, anyway I couldn't even get a kiss on the cheek that night.

Took her on a second date, and I underestimated the power of the last train on a weekday when I spend too much time chatting and less time being aware of what time it actually is. I had went to the islands the week before and brought back an omiyage as a souvineer excuse to get her back into my place. This time I was only able to get a bit of a make out with her before she ran away to the last train to get home. Figuring this is one of the ones who like to play hardball, and really wanting to get a girl who's phone I found I set up a for a third try.

The third try was a simple yakitori place with two drinks and then took her right back to my place, around 8ish, had to spend maybe 10-15 minutes getting past that last minute resistance. Only to unwrap yet another girl who was clean down there. Quite similar to CJ_W

Quote:I had one girl who had her hair Lazered off.. . . LAZERED. . .

Now this chick was so tiny and with the lasering, and after getting used to the bush, I almost felt like this was some weird underage stuff. But that ain't going to stop anyone.

Apparently, her reasoning for getting lasered was simply, "it's too hot and annoying".

I've now got another random way to meet and get a girl into bed crossed off my list.

Since this threads been dead for a bit, I wanna ask you guys another question. Where's one of the last non hotel/karaoke/apartment locations you banged a girl at?

I'll start with Kansai Airport.

(06-23-2015 04:55 AM)cascadecombo Wrote:  Since this threads been dead for a bit, I wanna ask you guys another question. Where's one of the last non hotel/karaoke/apartment locations you banged a girl at?

I'll start with Kansai Airport.

Bathroom at The HUB, bathroom at a club, bathroom with a feezlefub.

/Dr. Seuss Game

(06-23-2015 04:55 AM)cascadecombo Wrote:  Where's one of the last non hotel/karaoke/apartment locations you banged a girl at?

I'll start with Kansai Airport.

That's too vague man. Where specifically? If it was on a runway I'm giving you a rep right now.

Man i wish.

Terminal 2 in the handicap stall closest to the convini with a girl i met at a nijikai the night before. I was off the next day and on a whim took her to the airport. Felt like doing her one last time before she boarded so I just pushed her in had my fun before she boarded.

Against a car park fence in Roppongi 2 hours after meeting.

Bathroom in a random office floor of the skyscraper near Yokohama station.

On the roof of an apartment building in Roppongi (technically it was just a BJ because I didn't have a condom)

So I'm booking my place for Japan, I ended up deciding to hang around Osaka for most of it. Is Namba the big area for nightlife? I'm seeing some cheap hotels in that area and would love to book soon.

Also what's the deal with Tinder? Is it big or not so much? And do girls there use Line/Kakao/Wechat or anything? Or do I need to get a sim card.

Sorry for all the questions. After 7 months in Korea I'm psyched to be finally getting abroad for a little.

I have a beta friend who does alright via Tinder. If you have good photos I think you can do OK. Personally I do much better in real life but my photos are shit. Street game is pretty fun in Osaka. The girls are chatty and outgoing.

I'll leave the Osaka experts to answer your other question, but yeah you don't even need a phone number. Line is what everyone uses these days.

(06-28-2015 07:37 AM)dreambig Wrote:  I have a beta friend who does alright via Tinder. If you have good photos I think you can do OK. Personally I do much better in real life but my photos are shit. Street game is pretty fun in Osaka. The girls are chatty and outgoing.

I'll leave the Osaka experts to answer your other question, but yeah you don't even need a phone number. Line is what everyone uses these days.

Sweet thanks man. I've been living in a smallish city here so no real day-game, I'm pretty psyched. I figured I might spoof my location on tinder to try to pipe-line the week before or so. Can't hurt.

(06-28-2015 07:23 AM)Hedonistic Traveler Wrote:  So I'm booking my place for Japan, I ended up deciding to hang around Osaka for most of it. Is Namba the big area for nightlife? I'm seeing some cheap hotels in that area and would love to book soon.

Also what's the deal with Tinder? Is it big or not so much? And do girls there use Line/Kakao/Wechat or anything? Or do I need to get a sim card.

Sorry for all the questions. After 7 months in Korea I'm psyched to be finally getting abroad for a little.

Namba/Shinsaibashi/Umeda are the big areas for nightlife. They're also pretty good for daygame as well, lots of cafes and shopping areas.

Tinder here is alright, last year it seemed like there was no one on it but now it has been fairly populated.

Girls here use line.

Haven't been posting lately because I've been shit busy and also frankly alittle lazy. I still get regular lays and actively seek out new girls to add into rotation. I have about 2 months left in Japan so I'm wrapping up here. This country has been great and I intend to visit the place regularly even after I leave since now I can do the language alot better now. Would still meet up with you guys before I leave if you want and I still get PMs periodically on Japan so there is still much to learn and share. Let me know if you wanna meet up for a drink or a wing!

I fine tuned my night game alot more but international parties are still my greatest source of girls, girls here tend to skip the next few parties if they got hooked up in one for fear of bumping into you again so that works out great for us cause we don't see them at the parties and go for new girls. Let me know if you guys need help with international parties.

On how to pick up in Japan as an Asian, you can check my thread here: http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-46422.html

Viva la Japon!