I totally agree reco2100. Overthink it and miss some of the joy in life. Never fully trust, miss out on that connection with someone who may truly love you.

It is the balance of everything, and I guess that balance shifts depending on a bunch of variables.

My plan is going to be getting an irrevocable trust.

I'll bring in a couple of assets, but park everything outside of it.

Not saying I am there yet to do this. Just my plan.

Also, I plan on working even if I am on some passive income. I need to set an example for my kids.

(07-28-2015 09:44 AM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 09:06 AM)Gixxy Wrote:  I am wondering if the window has closed with women in their mid to late 20's. I'm here to sharpen my tools and learn from others with similar experiences. Yes, there is a part of me that wants to settle down and there is a part that loves being a single airline pilot. Both have tradeoffs, like all things in life.

Are you kidding me?? A 40 something commercial pilot not being able to pull women in their 20's? I haven't seen you but if you take care of your fitness, grooming and have solid game you should be swimming in pussy from the younger generation. Don't discount the fact that there are a ton of young women with daddy issues, older guy fetishes and simple curiosity. I'm 43 and I've pulled many women in the 18-26 range from online game alone. Enjoy this, you're in the prime of your life!

Nail => Head.

At 42 I'm (apparently) the most attractive I've ever been. I'm sure you are too. This is, ironically, the peak of our sexual lives if we want it to be.

I'm certainly in the best shape of my life. As an airline pilot, you're perfect for both girls in their experimental phase and those with daddy issues. All of their slutty friends will think it's cool that they fucked a pilot and understand why she's dating you.

My own story; A few years ago, I started to approach only young women after a brief and horrible stint of dating "age appropriate" women. My ex wife was pretty much in banging shape and aged incredibly well (I would later realize) and I shortly began to realize after we separated that I wasn't going to be interested in most unmarried women my age, particularly those who'd had kids. (Man, what it does to the female breast..)

My success rate with getting a date was pretty much 100% from day one and I never looked back. All of my LTRs have been women under 30 since my divorce (5 years ago) and a significant chunk under 25.

I'm reasonably good looking, a pretty confident and successful guy, and that helps. But with the uniform and status of being a pilot, I think you're pretty much a "shoe in." As long as you're in good shape (which is absolutely necessary if you want to be with younger, hot women.)

My most recent LTR (2 years) is she's 24 years old and a solid 10 (I made her, partially. She was an 8 because she was a little chunky when I met her and didn't work out, but she lost the weight within a few months of meeting me, started doing an hour of exercise a day, and grew out her hair. )

I never would have thought I'd have the success I've had with younger women but it's happened and I'll never date any older than I have to. I cannot see any reason why you'd ever be interested in any other kind. I find that women develop absolutely no more maturity and kindness past the age of 22 or so... So why compromise on looks with what you could get?

So, my recommendation is start only approaching young women with the goal of the finding the early 20s girl that could, if she's lucky, be your wife.

I love that the 40+ guys are showing here. I've got a shitload of down and dirty I've never shared once this thread and credible participants grows I'll let fly.

(07-28-2015 05:49 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  I love that the 40+ guys are showing here. I've got a shitload of down and dirty I've never shared once this thread and credible participants grows I'll let fly.

(07-28-2015 09:44 AM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  Are you kidding me?? A 40 something commercial pilot not being able to pull women in their 20's? I haven't seen you but if you take care of your fitness, grooming and have solid game you should be swimming in pussy from the younger generation. Don't discount the fact that there are a ton of young women with daddy issues, older guy fetishes and simple curiosity. I'm 43 and I've pulled many women in the 18-26 range from online game alone. Enjoy this, you're in the prime of your life!

Great gouge. Thanks. Honestly I am just unwinding from a 1.6 year relationship and am just getting back into my single life. My fitness is not like it was when I was in the Navy. I'll get it back. Looks aren't an issue. I got dealt a full deck on that end. Game is rusty. I've got good "natural" game, but need to sharpen in the on-line/Tinder/PoF angle. I spent 3 years between Iraq and Afghanistan and had to unwrap some of that stuff. So... Prime of my life? Awesome. I shall go conquer! Thanks again. It's why I'm here.

Can't wait to get some of your gold El Mech. I've been neglecting this thread and will start regularly contributing to it. There's a lot of us 40+'ers on here and we need to start representing.

Where do you guys find the (younger) girls that are worthwhile for gaming?

(07-28-2015 07:37 PM)RexImperator Wrote:  Where do you guys find the (younger) girls that are worthwhile for gaming?

Helps if you live in a bigger city. You can't have abundance mentality without abundance of women.

Then, you can.

From there, sky's the limit: Grocery stores, parking lots as they're walking out or you're walking in, coffee shops, anywhere you see them where they're by themselves in an approachable situation.

I think day game probably works better than night game for an older cat scoping for the younger girls.

^^ A lifting buddy of mine just got back from the Hermosa Beach area in Cali after doing inspection work on an Exxon plant that had bad shit happen at it. He was there over a month working. To confirm, he stated:"Bro, there's an endless stream of 8s, 9s, 10s walking to and fro the beach, you could clean house there." Being from Ohio, hearing these stories makes me want to plan travel in the next 18 months.

Being stuck stateside due to child here, I also plan on hitting the Ft. Lauderdale area around winter for a week or two, as my brother-in-law has a condo in Plantation, FL that's only occupied half the year due to his international business travel. Location is everything. Digging for scraps here has certainly sharpened my game however.

(07-28-2015 07:37 PM)RexImperator Wrote:  Where do you guys find the (younger) girls that are worthwhile for gaming?

Any reasonably sized university will have highest concentration of young girls per m2 out of all places in town for day game (unless it's summer). The epicentre is the main library. After hours, student union(s) area. Best time is the first few weeks of the academic year. Many girls coming by themselves to a new city, open for meeting someone. If you can pull you're at grad school, even better. The more low-key approach the better.

(07-28-2015 06:49 PM)Gixxy Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 09:44 AM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  Are you kidding me?? A 40 something commercial pilot not being able to pull women in their 20's? I haven't seen you but if you take care of your fitness, grooming and have solid game you should be swimming in pussy from the younger generation. Don't discount the fact that there are a ton of young women with daddy issues, older guy fetishes and simple curiosity. I'm 43 and I've pulled many women in the 18-26 range from online game alone. Enjoy this, you're in the prime of your life!

Great gouge. Thanks. Honestly I am just unwinding from a 1.6 year relationship and am just getting back into my single life. My fitness is not like it was when I was in the Navy. I'll get it back. Looks aren't an issue. I got dealt a full deck on that end. Game is rusty. I've got good "natural" game, but need to sharpen in the on-line/Tinder/PoF angle. I spent 3 years between Iraq and Afghanistan and had to unwrap some of that stuff. So... Prime of my life? Awesome. I shall go conquer! Thanks again. It's why I'm here.

Online game is the worst for older guys from my experience because they have an objective reason to DQ you. They search on age ranges too say 25-37 " A LITTLE over 35 is OK " she says as she fattens at 30...

I will add also, the hardest part of my routine is the stretching.

Hope all you guys are stretching before or after!

My hips get tight, my hamstrings are stiff and my lower back is threatening to give out any day soon.

I may have to hit the yoga class sooner than later.

(07-29-2015 06:52 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 06:49 PM)Gixxy Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 09:44 AM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  Are you kidding me?? A 40 something commercial pilot not being able to pull women in their 20's? I haven't seen you but if you take care of your fitness, grooming and have solid game you should be swimming in pussy from the younger generation. Don't discount the fact that there are a ton of young women with daddy issues, older guy fetishes and simple curiosity. I'm 43 and I've pulled many women in the 18-26 range from online game alone. Enjoy this, you're in the prime of your life!

Great gouge. Thanks. Honestly I am just unwinding from a 1.6 year relationship and am just getting back into my single life. My fitness is not like it was when I was in the Navy. I'll get it back. Looks aren't an issue. I got dealt a full deck on that end. Game is rusty. I've got good "natural" game, but need to sharpen in the on-line/Tinder/PoF angle. I spent 3 years between Iraq and Afghanistan and had to unwrap some of that stuff. So... Prime of my life? Awesome. I shall go conquer! Thanks again. It's why I'm here.

Online game is the worst for older guys from my experience because they have an objective reason to DQ you. They search on age ranges too say 25-37 " A LITTLE over 35 is OK " she says as she fattens at 30...

Agreed. If you have really good photos and look younger than your age and are good with lying about it online game can reap rewards. In person is of course better since most younger women are clueless about guessing a man's age.

(07-29-2015 06:52 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  Online game is the worst for older guys from my experience because they have an objective reason to DQ you. They search on age ranges too say 25-37 " A LITTLE over 35 is OK " she says as she fattens at 30...

Sorry. I have to absolutely disagree with you. I fired up Tinder yesterday. Within the day I had 25 "matches" ranging in age from 24-46. The 46 is actually a solid 7. Single, divorced, no kids. Fit.

I've got 8 of the 24 on text at this point and 3 solid dates planned. 1 in 3 is not bad odds for where I am at right now; rebounding, coming off of a relationship, etc. Dates; One tonight (40 - 6.5/7 based on pics), one tomorrow (37. never married, no kids, 6-7 me thinks) and one Friday night (40, divorced x1, 2 kids, crossfitter 6, due to kids?). All of them DTF, it appears. At this point, I'm going to be double booking and re scheduling the more solid option to deter flaking. Bad game plan, maybe. What are your thoughts?

Text is my absolute weakness. Got into it with the 37 yr old about "I'm not here just looking for sex." Kept her on the hook; she texted me this am telling me she can't wait to meet, but the convo took WAY too much time and energy. What's a quick shut down for that?

(07-28-2015 09:44 PM)robreke Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 07:37 PM)RexImperator Wrote:  Where do you guys find the (younger) girls that are worthwhile for gaming?

Helps if you live in a bigger city. You can't have abundance mentality without abundance of women.

Then, you can.

From there, sky's the limit: Grocery stores, parking lots as they're walking out or you're walking in, coffee shops, anywhere you see them where they're by themselves in an approachable situation.

I think day game probably works better than night game for an older cat scoping for the younger girls.

My target age for women has (generally) been 22-25. (I think these girls are actually quite a bit easier than any other group.)

A large city is often a great choice - RexImperator is right on the money. It's a place with a lot of makeup counters, Starbucks, entry level office workers, bank tellers, etc. Check out the cheap lunch places in the downtown (if you're playing GD game) area or the after-work bars nearby. There all going to be living on their own, bored as fuck, missing the excitement of college, and feel like they aren't under a lot of scrutiny for the first time in their lives. If they're going to be open to fucking / dating an older guy ever, it's going to be then (pre-wall).

What IKE meant was that online game is the worst for men wanting to bang much younger women and he's right. They will DQ you just based on the age number. In person, they don't know exactly how old you are and if your game and looks are on point you have a shot. Online game is fine for older guys with women 35+.

Gixxy, as a good looking 40 year old pilot you can look forward to swimming in pussy 21-45. Make sure your style and fitness are upgraded and learn the basics of female sexual psychology and the fundamentals of game and you will kill it. And approach a lot, of course.

(07-29-2015 02:46 PM)MrXY Wrote:  What IKE meant was that online game is the worst for men wanting to bang much younger women and he's right. They will DQ you just based on the age number. In person, they don't know exactly how old you are and if your game and looks are on point you have a shot. Online game is fine for older guys with women 35+.

Gixxy, as a good looking 40 year old pilot you can look forward to swimming in pussy 21-45. Make sure your style and fitness are upgraded and learn the basics of female sexual psychology and the fundamentals of game and you will kill it. And approach a lot, of course.

I agree with the online remark. I have my Age range set from 23 to 46. Results are strong in the 30+ crowd, scarce in the 25 and under. So yes, being DQ'd based on age is apparent.

As far as updated style; what would you suggest? I'm not "dated" or anything. I dress business casual for the most part (jeans, button down untucked, shoes dependent on event or occasion, or shorts and short sleeve button down untucked, flip flops a lot.) Fitness needs to get back on point. No excuse there.

(07-29-2015 02:30 PM)Gixxy Wrote:  

(07-29-2015 06:52 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  Online game is the worst for older guys from my experience because they have an objective reason to DQ you. They search on age ranges too say 25-37 " A LITTLE over 35 is OK " she says as she fattens at 30...

Sorry. I have to absolutely disagree with you. I fired up Tinder yesterday. Within the day I had 25 "matches" ranging in age from 24-46. The 46 is actually a solid 7. Single, divorced, no kids. Fit. What's a quick shut down for that?

I maybe didn't understand your goals-- you had mentioned younger women than that I think--women over 35 are much more practical and know their time is almost over and are willing to act.

My only problem is I'm hardly attracted to them, only legal up to 33 really.

I too have trouble with women/girls who want to waste hours texting-- it can lead to pointless disagreements if you're not careful as there's no tone of voice to defuse things etc.

The best thing I've found in the Philippines which may be different in USA is to say "I have to work," or in your case since you are obviously not texting her from cockpit, you could do a combo DHV and sign-off , "I have to review a flight plan. I'm flying a 380 tomorrow to Athens, I love these big new jets" lol.... etc, whatever sounds credible and not in violation of your professional regulations for a pilot.

She'll be creaming in her pants thinking of free flights or how macho you are!!

(07-29-2015 02:57 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  I maybe didn't understand your goals-- you had mentioned younger women than that I think--women over 35 are much more practical and know their time is almost over and are willing to act.

My only problem is I'm hardly attracted to them, only legal up to 33 really.

I too have trouble with women/girls who want to waste hours texting-- it can lead to pointless disagreements if you're not careful as there's no tone of voice to defuse things etc.

The best thing I've found in the Philippines which may be different in USA is to say "I have to work," or in your case since you are obviously not texting her from cockpit, you could do a combo DHV and sign-off , "I have to review a flight plan. I'm flying a 380 tomorrow to Athens, I love these big new jets" lol.... etc, whatever sounds credible and not in violation of your professional regulations for a pilot.

She'll be creaming in her pants thinking of free flights or how macho you are!!

I'm totally rebounding right now. So, I'm throwing mud at the wall and pulling down what sticks. End goal is the 20-34 year old. I have a 22 year old cousin who is the Social Chair in his fraternity. He's also my travel companion. I want to go to parties and throw game with them. We always said that we wanted to party together. Scottsdale is my backyard. As is the world. I want to swim in that pool. THAT. Is my end goal.

(07-29-2015 02:57 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  I maybe didn't understand your goals-- you had mentioned younger women than that I think--women over 35 are much more practical and know their time is almost over and are willing to act.

Ain't that the truth. Nothing easier than nailing a woman who's smashing straight into the Wall. Put off any kind of provider vibes and it's game over. They'll do whatever it takes - blowjobs on demand, etc. Problem is that it's all rapidly downhill in their looks. Fuck, do not EVER, ever LTR, these women.

(07-28-2015 04:02 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  I totally agree reco2100. Overthink it and miss some of the joy in life. Never fully trust, miss out on that connection with someone who may truly love you.

It is the balance of everything, and I guess that balance shifts depending on a bunch of variables.

My plan is going to be getting an irrevocable trust.

I'll bring in a couple of assets, but park everything outside of it.

Not saying I am there yet to do this. Just my plan.

Also, I plan on working even if I am on some passive income. I need to set an example for my kids.

Samsamsam,

To add to our discussion on dating foreign women and younger women let me add a few observations. Like I said I have dated some from LA and FSU in the US but never been overseas and dating. But I started engaging in some online contacts with some women from the FSU areas. These women have been from about 24 to one that was almost as old as me 52, (way too old but she was fucking gorgeous body and head and personality i could not help it. lol) I have emailed with them, exchanged many pictures, VIBER, phone calls, and SKYPE. And I wanted to share my personal experience so far with some observations.

-The women have been different in looks and character but as a baseline have all been a notch above most women I meet in the US. Also just subtract 10 years off of most Russian women compared to US women. So a 40YO Russian looks about as good as a 30 YO American woman and dresses better, eats better, no tattoos or piercings, works out regularly, and is as sweet and feminine as you can imagine.

-I have been engaged in conversations with women from Ukraine,Belarus, and different parts of Russia, and all have expressed in one way or another several common themes.

-They want to find a man for marriage and not for a green card or financial reward, and most want children or more children. They are very discerning and not a pushover. They are extremely family oriented almost to the point of obsession. And this is with women that are accomplished in their careers and very educated.

-Speaking of educated I have been dealing with Doctors, Lawyers, PHDs, Accountants, Corporate Directors, its really amazing. They are well spoken and well traveled and are not fools.

-Some have been really into me, some blew me off or were not truly interested in me. But there were more if I had the time or the energy to pursue more. None of them were concerned about my age even though I was 30 years older than one. They were concerned about two things family and love. These were the repeated themes throughout.

-Many of them were truly puzzled why I could not find a woman in the US, they told me I was a catch and did not understand. They were almost leery of me. This is not to brag. I am no George Clooney, I am decent looking and dress well not overweight, but I believe that the competition over there is minimal, since there are so few quality men. The ones I talked to are not looking for looks or money. They are looking for family, love, character, and someone who will stick with them, and not leave them for the next younger thing coming along.

-I believe that if you are a player and you are planning to go to this region just to mack on women you have your work cut out for you. Or you are going to end up with a different type of woman. Nothing wrong with that. Just not what I have been encountering for the most part.

-On the age thing. I think we still need to be careful. I actually had to cut off communication with a few smoking hot 20 somethings just because I felt it would not work in the long run. I personally think that if you are out there playing and looking for lots of fun and maybe mini relationships, then go as young as you can down to 18, hell I have done it. But if you are pursuing a woman for a long term family type situation. Then I believe going too young is not realistic. Maybe 20 years at the most. My opinion.

-The quality is outstanding, both looks and character, and if I am looking for a long term spouse or just a LTR this is where I would definitely look.

Cheers.

(07-31-2015 10:05 AM)reco2100 Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 04:02 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  I totally agree reco2100. Overthink it and miss some of the joy in life. Never fully trust, miss out on that connection with someone who may truly love you.

It is the balance of everything, and I guess that balance shifts depending on a bunch of variables.

My plan is going to be getting an irrevocable trust.

I'll bring in a couple of assets, but park everything outside of it.

Not saying I am there yet to do this. Just my plan.

Also, I plan on working even if I am on some passive income. I need to set an example for my kids.

Samsamsam,

To add to our discussion on dating foreign women and younger women let me add a few observations. Like I said I have dated some from LA and FSU in the US but never been overseas and dating. But I started engaging in some online contacts with some women from the FSU areas. These women have been from about 24 to one that was almost as old as me 52, (way too old but she was fucking gorgeous body and head and personality i could not help it. lol) I have emailed with them, exchanged many pictures, VIBER, phone calls, and SKYPE. And I wanted to share my personal experience so far with some observations.

-The women have been different in looks and character but as a baseline have all been a notch above most women I meet in the US. Also just subtract 10 years off of most Russian women compared to US women. So a 40YO Russian looks about as good as a 30 YO American woman and dresses better, eats better, no tattoos or piercings, works out regularly, and is as sweet and feminine as you can imagine.

-I have been engaged in conversations with women from Ukraine,Belarus, and different parts of Russia, and all have expressed in one way or another several common themes.

-They want to find a man for marriage and not for a green card or financial reward, and most want children or more children. They are very discerning and not a pushover. They are extremely family oriented almost to the point of obsession. And this is with women that are accomplished in their careers and very educated.

-Speaking of educated I have been dealing with Doctors, Lawyers, PHDs, Accountants, Corporate Directors, its really amazing. They are well spoken and well traveled and are not fools.

-Some have been really into me, some blew me off or were not truly interested in me. But there were more if I had the time or the energy to pursue more. None of them were concerned about my age even though I was 30 years older than one. They were concerned about two things family and love. These were the repeated themes throughout.

-Many of them were truly puzzled why I could not find a woman in the US, they told me I was a catch and did not understand. They were almost leery of me. This is not to brag. I am no George Clooney, I am decent looking and dress well not overweight, but I believe that the competition over there is minimal, since there are so few quality men. The ones I talked to are not looking for looks or money. They are looking for family, love, character, and someone who will stick with them, and not leave them for the next younger thing coming along.

-I believe that if you are a player and you are planning to go to this region just to mack on women you have your work cut out for you. Or you are going to end up with a different type of woman. Nothing wrong with that. Just not what I have been encountering for the most part.

-On the age thing. I think we still need to be careful. I actually had to cut off communication with a few smoking hot 20 somethings just because I felt it would not work in the long run. I personally think that if you are out there playing and looking for lots of fun and maybe mini relationships, then go as young as you can down to 18, hell I have done it. But if you are pursuing a woman for a long term family type situation. Then I believe going too young is not realistic. Maybe 20 years at the most. My opinion.

-The quality is outstanding, both looks and character, and if I am looking for a long term spouse or just a LTR this is where I would definitely look.

Cheers.

I agree with most of your points. However, having spent time in the FSU, you are overestimating the looks of older women. I don't see a ten year difference here as you point out. Life is hard here. They keep slim with diet, but they don't eat enough fruit and vegetables. All women go downhill. The difference is the women in FSU retain the femininity and dress sexy even as they age. You can date much younger here for sure. A 21 year old in Russia is much more mature than a a 21 year old in the US.

Looking for marriage or LTR here is a good option. But I encourage you to visit first before making conclusions from online experience. There are good girls to be found online but the quality is much higher meeting them once you get your boots on the ground.

You are spot on about dating and banging young girls here 18-23. They are attainable and fun, but if you are looking for LTR/marriage it is better to look a bit older. There are exceptions of course.

Also, be careful. Many women have genuine interest in finding a man for love and building a life together. However, there are plenty of girls online primarily looking to leave their country and looking for a green card. Their motivation will be clear once you meet them in person.

With regard to south america, you can easily meet younger girls there. The main problem I see is they are hot at 20, but they have poor diets and their bodies go to hell as they age and have kids.

(07-31-2015 10:44 AM)Dantes Wrote:  

(07-31-2015 10:05 AM)reco2100 Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 04:02 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  I totally agree reco2100. Overthink it and miss some of the joy in life. Never fully trust, miss out on that connection with someone who may truly love you.

It is the balance of everything, and I guess that balance shifts depending on a bunch of variables.

My plan is going to be getting an irrevocable trust.

I'll bring in a couple of assets, but park everything outside of it.

Not saying I am there yet to do this. Just my plan.

Also, I plan on working even if I am on some passive income. I need to set an example for my kids.

Samsamsam,

To add to our discussion on dating foreign women and younger women let me add a few observations. Like I said I have dated some from LA and FSU in the US but never been overseas and dating. But I started engaging in some online contacts with some women from the FSU areas. These women have been from about 24 to one that was almost as old as me 52, (way too old but she was fucking gorgeous body and head and personality i could not help it. lol) I have emailed with them, exchanged many pictures, VIBER, phone calls, and SKYPE. And I wanted to share my personal experience so far with some observations.

-The women have been different in looks and character but as a baseline have all been a notch above most women I meet in the US. Also just subtract 10 years off of most Russian women compared to US women. So a 40YO Russian looks about as good as a 30 YO American woman and dresses better, eats better, no tattoos or piercings, works out regularly, and is as sweet and feminine as you can imagine.

-I have been engaged in conversations with women from Ukraine,Belarus, and different parts of Russia, and all have expressed in one way or another several common themes.

-They want to find a man for marriage and not for a green card or financial reward, and most want children or more children. They are very discerning and not a pushover. They are extremely family oriented almost to the point of obsession. And this is with women that are accomplished in their careers and very educated.

-Speaking of educated I have been dealing with Doctors, Lawyers, PHDs, Accountants, Corporate Directors, its really amazing. They are well spoken and well traveled and are not fools.

-Some have been really into me, some blew me off or were not truly interested in me. But there were more if I had the time or the energy to pursue more. None of them were concerned about my age even though I was 30 years older than one. They were concerned about two things family and love. These were the repeated themes throughout.

-Many of them were truly puzzled why I could not find a woman in the US, they told me I was a catch and did not understand. They were almost leery of me. This is not to brag. I am no George Clooney, I am decent looking and dress well not overweight, but I believe that the competition over there is minimal, since there are so few quality men. The ones I talked to are not looking for looks or money. They are looking for family, love, character, and someone who will stick with them, and not leave them for the next younger thing coming along.

-I believe that if you are a player and you are planning to go to this region just to mack on women you have your work cut out for you. Or you are going to end up with a different type of woman. Nothing wrong with that. Just not what I have been encountering for the most part.

-On the age thing. I think we still need to be careful. I actually had to cut off communication with a few smoking hot 20 somethings just because I felt it would not work in the long run. I personally think that if you are out there playing and looking for lots of fun and maybe mini relationships, then go as young as you can down to 18, hell I have done it. But if you are pursuing a woman for a long term family type situation. Then I believe going too young is not realistic. Maybe 20 years at the most. My opinion.

-The quality is outstanding, both looks and character, and if I am looking for a long term spouse or just a LTR this is where I would definitely look.

Cheers.

I agree with most of your points. However, having spent time in the FSU, you are overestimating the looks of older women. I don't see a ten year difference here as you point out. Life is hard here. They keep slim with diet, but they don't eat enough fruit and vegetables. All women go downhill. The difference is the women in FSU retain the femininity and dress sexy even as they age. You can date much younger here for sure. A 21 year old in Russia is much more mature than a a 21 year old in the US.

Looking for marriage or LTR here is a good option. But I encourage you to visit first before making conclusions from online experience. There are good girls to be found online but the quality is much higher meeting them once you get your boots on the ground.

You are spot on about dating and banging young girls here 18-23. They are attainable and fun, but if you are looking for LTR/marriage it is better to look a but older. There are exceptions of course.

Also, be careful. Many women have genuine interest in finding a man for love and building a life together. However, there are plenty of girls online primarily looking to leave their country and looking for a green card. Their motivation will be clear once you meet them in person.

With regard to south america, you can easily meet younger girls there. The main problem I see is they are hot at 20, but they have poor diets and their bodies go to hell as they age and have kids.

@Dantes, I agree and do not pretend to be an expert. Just giving my observations not any final conclusions. And yes you are right about being in the country, will give me a better informed opinion. Which I fully intend to do in the very near future. Will continue to report back my observations along the way.

(07-31-2015 10:52 AM)reco2100 Wrote:  

(07-31-2015 10:44 AM)Dantes Wrote:  

(07-31-2015 10:05 AM)reco2100 Wrote:  

(07-28-2015 04:02 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  I totally agree reco2100. Overthink it and miss some of the joy in life. Never fully trust, miss out on that connection with someone who may truly love you.

It is the balance of everything, and I guess that balance shifts depending on a bunch of variables.

My plan is going to be getting an irrevocable trust.

I'll bring in a couple of assets, but park everything outside of it.

Not saying I am there yet to do this. Just my plan.

Also, I plan on working even if I am on some passive income. I need to set an example for my kids.

Samsamsam,

To add to our discussion on dating foreign women and younger women let me add a few observations. Like I said I have dated some from LA and FSU in the US but never been overseas and dating. But I started engaging in some online contacts with some women from the FSU areas. These women have been from about 24 to one that was almost as old as me 52, (way too old but she was fucking gorgeous body and head and personality i could not help it. lol) I have emailed with them, exchanged many pictures, VIBER, phone calls, and SKYPE. And I wanted to share my personal experience so far with some observations.

-The women have been different in looks and character but as a baseline have all been a notch above most women I meet in the US. Also just subtract 10 years off of most Russian women compared to US women. So a 40YO Russian looks about as good as a 30 YO American woman and dresses better, eats better, no tattoos or piercings, works out regularly, and is as sweet and feminine as you can imagine.

-I have been engaged in conversations with women from Ukraine,Belarus, and different parts of Russia, and all have expressed in one way or another several common themes.

-They want to find a man for marriage and not for a green card or financial reward, and most want children or more children. They are very discerning and not a pushover. They are extremely family oriented almost to the point of obsession. And this is with women that are accomplished in their careers and very educated.

-Speaking of educated I have been dealing with Doctors, Lawyers, PHDs, Accountants, Corporate Directors, its really amazing. They are well spoken and well traveled and are not fools.

-Some have been really into me, some blew me off or were not truly interested in me. But there were more if I had the time or the energy to pursue more. None of them were concerned about my age even though I was 30 years older than one. They were concerned about two things family and love. These were the repeated themes throughout.

-Many of them were truly puzzled why I could not find a woman in the US, they told me I was a catch and did not understand. They were almost leery of me. This is not to brag. I am no George Clooney, I am decent looking and dress well not overweight, but I believe that the competition over there is minimal, since there are so few quality men. The ones I talked to are not looking for looks or money. They are looking for family, love, character, and someone who will stick with them, and not leave them for the next younger thing coming along.

-I believe that if you are a player and you are planning to go to this region just to mack on women you have your work cut out for you. Or you are going to end up with a different type of woman. Nothing wrong with that. Just not what I have been encountering for the most part.

-On the age thing. I think we still need to be careful. I actually had to cut off communication with a few smoking hot 20 somethings just because I felt it would not work in the long run. I personally think that if you are out there playing and looking for lots of fun and maybe mini relationships, then go as young as you can down to 18, hell I have done it. But if you are pursuing a woman for a long term family type situation. Then I believe going too young is not realistic. Maybe 20 years at the most. My opinion.

-The quality is outstanding, both looks and character, and if I am looking for a long term spouse or just a LTR this is where I would definitely look.

Cheers.

I agree with most of your points. However, having spent time in the FSU, you are overestimating the looks of older women. I don't see a ten year difference here as you point out. Life is hard here. They keep slim with diet, but they don't eat enough fruit and vegetables. All women go downhill. The difference is the women in FSU retain the femininity and dress sexy even as they age. You can date much younger here for sure. A 21 year old in Russia is much more mature than a a 21 year old in the US.

Looking for marriage or LTR here is a good option. But I encourage you to visit first before making conclusions from online experience. There are good girls to be found online but the quality is much higher meeting them once you get your boots on the ground.

You are spot on about dating and banging young girls here 18-23. They are attainable and fun, but if you are looking for LTR/marriage it is better to look a but older. There are exceptions of course.

Also, be careful. Many women have genuine interest in finding a man for love and building a life together. However, there are plenty of girls online primarily looking to leave their country and looking for a green card. Their motivation will be clear once you meet them in person.

With regard to south america, you can easily meet younger girls there. The main problem I see is they are hot at 20, but they have poor diets and their bodies go to hell as they age and have kids.

@Dantes, I agree and do not pretend to be an expert. Just giving my observations not any final conclusions. And yes you are right about being in the country, will give me a better informed opinion. Which I fully intend to do in the very near future. Will continue to report back my observations along the way.

I encourage you to go. Let me know if I can be of help.

(07-29-2015 02:30 PM)Gixxy Wrote:  Text is my absolute weakness. Got into it with the 37 yr old about "I'm not here just looking for sex." Kept her on the hook; she texted me this am telling me she can't wait to meet, but the convo took WAY too much time and energy. What's a quick shut down for that?

There's lots of text help here in RVF, search is your friend, el mechanico is the apex alpha texter. For that specific problem write the initial reply, do not send, wait at least 15 minutes, and come back later with this in mind: cut the length in half and double the rudeness.