Post: #1051

(02-05-2018 04:46 PM)PUA_Rachacha Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 07:13 AM)Fury Wrote:  Since I have been feeling off lately (low libido, half erections) I decided to get a blood test done to check my testosterone levels. I'm 5'6, and currently 185 lbs with roughly 15% body fat. I have lifted regularly and played sports for years and have always maintained a high level of fitness. So now that I am 30 and a few years out of my military service, I have felt a bit off since my routine changed.

Total testosterone: 621 ng/dl
Vitamin D 25: 41.8 ng/ml

I have relatively normal test levels which surprised me considering my low libido, unfortunately I wasn't able to test my estrogen. It may be due to the stress of moving to a new country and working to pursue my Masters degree. Even so, my sex drive shouldn't be this low, to the point where I can only get half chubs. I think I will have a minor reset and cut down my supplement intake to only Vit D, ZMA, and fish oil. Previously I was taking DIM, multi-vitamins and test booster pills (I know, bad and ineffective). I normally follow the SL 5x5 workouts and have been slacking so definitely need to get back to lifting big and eating big.

Unfortunately there's not enough data to determine whether it's hormonal or psychological. Did you get free testosterone and sensitive estradiol pulled?

Unfortunately, I wasn't able to test those since I went to a regular GP. I may have to find a proper endocrinologist to get that test here.

Post: #1052

Has anyone had any success with home test kits from ZRT Laboratories? They sell them on Amazon even though they're supposed to be for clinics only. Apparently the people selling them on Amazon are clinics themselves just doing it a different way.

Depending upon which test kit you order it can save a step and a trip to the doctor's office if you just want to monitor levels. Any experience or thoughts on their accuracy?

Post: #1053

Been doing 40 mg of nolvadex for the past 2 weeks as PCT now for the next 2 weeks im switching to 20 mg ( following reddit steroids protocol).

Problem is my right nipple was slightly irritated during the 40 mg but now its getting ever more irritated. Im scared that once Im done these 2 weeks of nolva, it might get worse.

Any suggestions?

Would take arimidex to reduce some estrogen but read that it conflicts with nolva

Post: #1054

An AI does not conflict with a SERM.

The nolva is to restart the pituitary. It will also bind to some tissues such as breast tissue and block the estrogen from binding. The dex is to reduce estrogen. If you're having gyno on nolva, you either have shitty nolvadex or you just need to reduce the estrogen overall. Be careful with this because crashing your E2 during PCT is a bad deal, since you won't have very much testosterone left to convert back into E2 once you're low.

I would personally do half a mg of dex EOD until you feel that nipple stop itching and then drop to .25mg EOD unless it starts itching again. Keep the nolvadex where it's at.

Post: #1055

Thanks boss. Nolvaex is pharmaceutical. Ill start taking a tiny bit of arimidex. Its just wierd cause my 1 nipple feels completely fine but the other one isnt hahah

Post: #1056

Acne has always been a huge problem for me on TRT. Even with e2 in a good range I would get cystic acne all over my back and shoulders. Tried everything short of accutane and nothing worked.

I finally found something that works really well: tanning. I tried this after researching why bodybuilders don’t have terrible acne on 1g of T per week etc. Apparently the UV lighf kills bacteria on your skin or something.

Anyway I don’t go nuts with the tanning. Two minutes at a time, 3x per week after my workouts. I have practically zero new acne forming. My skin isn’t as oily and the only thing on my back is the fading acne scars from the past few years.

Wish I had done this a long time ago but I’m just ecstatic to have found a free/easy solution to the TRT/acne problem.

Post: #1057

Has anyone worried about fertility while on TRT. My understanding is that as long as you've been on HCG during your TRT journey. You shouldn't have any issues restarting and getting semen quality. No current plans to have kids, but I can almost hear the calling. Does anyone know of any cheap sperm tests?

Post: #1058

If you are concerned about maintaining fertility then consider Clomid instead of testosterone. Clomid causes your body to produce more T naturally. its a pill and you can get it generic at pharmacies in India very inexpensively. There is a separate thread on this forum about it.

Yes, HCG is intended to preserve your fertility and the size of your nuts but I don't know how reliable it is.

Post: #1059

(02-28-2018 09:27 AM)Hypno Wrote:  If you are concerned about maintaining fertility then consider Clomid instead of testosterone. Clomid causes your body to produce more T naturally. its a pill and you can get it generic at pharmacies in India very inexpensively. There is a separate thread on this forum about it.

Yes, HCG is intended to preserve your fertility and the size of your nuts but I don't know how reliable it is.

I tried clomid and had the worst experience with it. It's a great concept however. Maybe the estrogen got out of control.

Post: #1060

Some doctors put their TRT patients on HCG full time. Some steroid gurus think this is crazy and HCG should only be done periodically.

I don't know the answer but I think you will find that this is an area where there are many different opinions among the experts. It's similar to estrogen blockers like anastrozole. Some doctors put all their patients on it. Some doctors won't put any of their patients on it.

Everyone has a different opinion. Welcome to TRT.

Post: #1061

Massive HCG doses took me from blasting blanks in my girl 5x/wk to getting her pregnant within a few weeks.

Post: #1062

Ok...

If you're within normal child raising age, you can almost always bring sperm production back with enough HCG and Clomid. If you're in your mid forties and beyond you may not be able to do this, depending on how long you've been on TRT.

Now it may not be a lot of sperm production but it doesn't take much to knock a girl up.

I'm personally not a fan of trying to keep fertility during TRT. Just let it go and come off when you want to start a family. If you can't deal with a few months of drugs in order to have a kid, you probably don't need to have one in the first place.

Post: #1063

Depends on your level of TRT, I bet. If you're cycling like a body builder on something serious and doing weekly injections, I would think that's got to be more debilitating than the occasional dose of something long acting.

Post: #1064

You have no idea what you are talking about. There are no levels of TRT, only doses.

TRT is not occasional dosing, it's permanent replacement of your body's natural test with weekly or biweekly injections of synthetic testosterone with long ester compounds. Typically cypionate or enanthate.

When it comes to your pituitary, if it's off its off. For all practical purposes if you run 200mg of test or 800mg of test you're going to experience shut down of your natural test and sperm production.

The length of time on is FAR more important than the dose when it comes to recovering testicular function if you come off.

Why would you take an "occasional" dose of something long acting? That would do nothing for you at all. The effects of the drug take weeks to manifest.

Post: #1065

Let me clarify - by "level" I meant the amount taken and the kind of program you're on, not the measurement of test levels in the blood.

By "occasional" I do not mean capriciously - just not nearly as frequently as the products most people are talking about here. Every ten weeks is pretty occasional versus weekly injections. Long acting test is very effective for its given purpose. There's obviously a difference between an 8 week cycle stacking Sustanon 250 with Deca Durabolin versus a once every several weeks injection of Aveed (called Nebido outside the US).

I don't know for sure, but I'm guessing the latter is less impactful on sperm count too.

Post: #1066

The use of aveed which is test in the undecanoate ester will still result in the shut down of natural production just as hard as weekly injections of test. When your body sees that it has enough test, LH and FSH production come to a halt. They don't come back till test drops below a certain level. It's like a thermostat.

Aveed is the same thing you just have to inject less frequently. The caveat is that the serum levels don't stay as steady as they do with biweekly treatment.

Post: #1067

(03-02-2018 09:44 PM)Steelex Wrote:  You have no idea what you are talking about. There are no levels of TRT, only doses.

TRT is not occasional dosing, it's permanent replacement of your body's natural test with weekly or biweekly injections of synthetic testosterone with long ester compounds. Typically cypionate or enanthate.

When it comes to your pituitary, if it's off its off. For all practical purposes if you run 200mg of test or 800mg of test you're going to experience shut down of your natural test and sperm production.

The length of time on is FAR more important than the dose when it comes to recovering testicular function if you come off.

Why would you take an "occasional" dose of something long acting? That would do nothing for you at all. The effects of the drug take weeks to manifest.

I'm 46 and have been thinking of going on TRT for a while now. Or at least getting my levels checked.

What about Nebido?

From what I've read you get one injection every 3-6 months. BS or no?

Post: #1068

It utilizes a very long ester of testosterone, every 10-12 weeks.

Yes it works. However I totally prefer self injecting twice a week. Your blood levels are far more stable and the results are better (and quicker).

When doing this sort of thing, a super long ester such as nebido takes some of the control out of your hands when it comes to adjusting dosages and controlling sides. With a shorter ester you can make changes, with a long ester you have to ride it out, so they typically start the dose on the low side.

Post: #1069

(03-05-2018 07:44 AM)SeaFM Wrote:  I'm 46 and have been thinking of going on TRT for a while now. Or at least getting my levels checked.

What about Nebido?

From what I've read you get one injection every 3-6 months. BS or no?

The approved version in the US is called Aveed. The only difference is the dosage is 750mg in a 3ml bottle for Aveed versus 1000mg in a 4ml bottle for Nebido. The FDA would not approve the larger dose not because of the hormone itself, but out of (some say paranoid) concerns about pulmonary oil
microembolism (POME) after such a large injection. Even with Aveed, they issued a warning. I haven't read much elsewhere about serious problems with this so long as the guidelines are followed and it is properly prescribed and administered.

Nebido is available all over the world (including the Phils, AFAIK) and administered at clinics, typically. If you're getting tested in the US, expect a lot of resistance from your average doc to putting you on any kind of TRT unless you are at sub-soy levels naturally, say under 300 total. Hell, I had to find a different doc just to get tested as my primary care guy was either lazy and/or just didn't believe in TRT.

Post: #1070

If / when I move forward I was thinking Thailand and the Maximum Performance clinic, unless anyone has any reason that's a bad idea.

Post: #1071

Thinking of running an 8wk cycle of 300mg test/week for my upcoming bulk. Roughly double my TRT dose.

Not sure if it’s worth the legal risk to acquire more T or if I should just bulk as best I can on the TRT dose.

Post: #1072

(03-20-2018 07:12 PM)Checkmat Wrote:  Thinking of running an 8wk cycle of 300mg test/week for my upcoming bulk. Roughly double my TRT dose.

Not sure if it’s worth the legal risk to acquire more T or if I should just bulk as best I can on the TRT dose.

Lol.

Why not cruise on 300+ mg/wk? You're injecting yourself anyway and you're on a pickup/bodybuilding board after all.

Post: #1073

Have some questions regarding a convo my bodybuilding buddy and his friend had, but a little back ground:

I never was on Test before, so we did a trial run, then added Var, got off Var, completed the rest of my cycle.

Quote:Week 1: 350mg - Pin Dec 12 Pin Dec 15
Week 2: 250mg - Pin Dec 19 Pin Dec 24
Week 3: 250mg - Pin Dec 28 Pin Jan 2
Week 4: 250mg - Pin Jan 5 Pin Jan 9
Week 5: 250mg - Pin Jan 11 Pin Jan 16
Week 6: 250mg - Pin Jan 22 Pin Jan 26**
Week 7: 250mg - Pin Jan 30 Pin Feb 2nd
Week 8: 500mg- Pin Feb 9 (Couldn't Pin twice this week so I doubled up)
Week 9: 250mg- Pin Feb 11 Pin Feb 14th
Week 10:300mg- Pin Feb 19 Pin Feb 23
Week 11:300mg- Pin March 1 Pin March 5**
Week 12:300mg- Pin March 9 Pin March 14

**Introduced 40mg (2-20MG pills) of Anavar daily starting week of Jan 22 Stopped Anavar Week of Feb 23.

Pinned HCG 10mm once a day starting March 19th with March 31 being my last day.


I've always had a high sex drive, I noticed specifically with one girl it wasn't there, I was pushing rope half the time, but it's only been with her.

I had a half chub with my cougar plate, but becuase her giant dog scratched the shit out of me and was barking at the door. (probably was in my head)

I've fucked all the other girls just fine on my roster.

So I don't think my sex drive has taken a hit being off Test. (Yet)



Here's my question regarding HCG and Test:

Is it MORE beneficial to be on HCG while on Test, then tape off on PCT?

OR

Is it better to be on HCG during PCT?

What are the pro's and cons?

I read a bit about it here: https://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabo...22071.html

But I'm also interested in gents perspectives on here.


NOTE: I'll be jumping back on in a few weeks.

Post: #1074

Why bother with hcg?

Post: #1075

(04-06-2018 12:51 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Have some questions regarding a convo my bodybuilding buddy and his friend had, but a little back ground:

I never was on Test before, so we did a trial run, then added Var, got off Var, completed the rest of my cycle.

Quote:Week 1: 350mg - Pin Dec 12 Pin Dec 15
Week 2: 250mg - Pin Dec 19 Pin Dec 24
Week 3: 250mg - Pin Dec 28 Pin Jan 2
Week 4: 250mg - Pin Jan 5 Pin Jan 9
Week 5: 250mg - Pin Jan 11 Pin Jan 16
Week 6: 250mg - Pin Jan 22 Pin Jan 26**
Week 7: 250mg - Pin Jan 30 Pin Feb 2nd
Week 8: 500mg- Pin Feb 9 (Couldn't Pin twice this week so I doubled up)
Week 9: 250mg- Pin Feb 11 Pin Feb 14th
Week 10:300mg- Pin Feb 19 Pin Feb 23
Week 11:300mg- Pin March 1 Pin March 5**
Week 12:300mg- Pin March 9 Pin March 14

**Introduced 40mg (2-20MG pills) of Anavar daily starting week of Jan 22 Stopped Anavar Week of Feb 23.

Pinned HCG 10mm once a day starting March 19th with March 31 being my last day.


I've always had a high sex drive, I noticed specifically with one girl it wasn't there, I was pushing rope half the time, but it's only been with her.

I had a half chub with my cougar plate, but becuase her giant dog scratched the shit out of me and was barking at the door. (probably was in my head)

I've fucked all the other girls just fine on my roster.

So I don't think my sex drive has taken a hit being off Test. (Yet)



Here's my question regarding HCG and Test:

Is it MORE beneficial to be on HCG while on Test, then tape off on PCT?

OR

Is it better to be on HCG during PCT?

What are the pro's and cons?

I read a bit about it here: https://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabo...22071.html

But I'm also interested in gents perspectives on here.


NOTE: I'll be jumping back on in a few weeks.

I've been on Doctor prescribed TRT for 10 months now and my understanding that HCG is only for preventing ball shrinkage and preserving fertility and doesn't increase your sex drive or hard ons.

Personally, I will inject .3 ml of HCG twice a week if I feel my balls shriveling up, and then not inject once they feel right again. It's a generally a 2-3 week period of pinning and then a 3 to 4 week period of not pinning.

Any downsides while on TRT is that I'm pinning 5 times a week (2 HCG and 3 Test pins), which becomes a little inconvenient on a busy schedule.

But you may want to research the Excel Male boards for a more in depth medical perspective for the use of HCG

https://www.excelmale.com/content.php?54...t-help-men
https://www.excelmale.com//showthread.ph...-Fertility
https://www.excelmale.com/showthread.php...-protocols

Some of it is a little dry, but it has a lot of information. And I'm no doctor but a lazy erection is more of a sign that your estrogen is either too high or too low, which may be the case if you're in PCT.