Thanks boss. Nolvaex is pharmaceutical. Ill start taking a tiny bit of arimidex. Its just wierd cause my 1 nipple feels completely fine but the other one isnt hahah

Acne has always been a huge problem for me on TRT. Even with e2 in a good range I would get cystic acne all over my back and shoulders. Tried everything short of accutane and nothing worked.

I finally found something that works really well: tanning. I tried this after researching why bodybuilders don’t have terrible acne on 1g of T per week etc. Apparently the UV lighf kills bacteria on your skin or something.

Anyway I don’t go nuts with the tanning. Two minutes at a time, 3x per week after my workouts. I have practically zero new acne forming. My skin isn’t as oily and the only thing on my back is the fading acne scars from the past few years.

Wish I had done this a long time ago but I’m just ecstatic to have found a free/easy solution to the TRT/acne problem.

Has anyone worried about fertility while on TRT. My understanding is that as long as you've been on HCG during your TRT journey. You shouldn't have any issues restarting and getting semen quality. No current plans to have kids, but I can almost hear the calling. Does anyone know of any cheap sperm tests?

If you are concerned about maintaining fertility then consider Clomid instead of testosterone. Clomid causes your body to produce more T naturally. its a pill and you can get it generic at pharmacies in India very inexpensively. There is a separate thread on this forum about it.

Yes, HCG is intended to preserve your fertility and the size of your nuts but I don't know how reliable it is.

(02-28-2018 09:27 AM)Hypno Wrote:  If you are concerned about maintaining fertility then consider Clomid instead of testosterone. Clomid causes your body to produce more T naturally. its a pill and you can get it generic at pharmacies in India very inexpensively. There is a separate thread on this forum about it.

Yes, HCG is intended to preserve your fertility and the size of your nuts but I don't know how reliable it is.

I tried clomid and had the worst experience with it. It's a great concept however. Maybe the estrogen got out of control.

Some doctors put their TRT patients on HCG full time. Some steroid gurus think this is crazy and HCG should only be done periodically.

I don't know the answer but I think you will find that this is an area where there are many different opinions among the experts. It's similar to estrogen blockers like anastrozole. Some doctors put all their patients on it. Some doctors won't put any of their patients on it.

Everyone has a different opinion. Welcome to TRT.

Massive HCG doses took me from blasting blanks in my girl 5x/wk to getting her pregnant within a few weeks.

Ok...

If you're within normal child raising age, you can almost always bring sperm production back with enough HCG and Clomid. If you're in your mid forties and beyond you may not be able to do this, depending on how long you've been on TRT.

Now it may not be a lot of sperm production but it doesn't take much to knock a girl up.

I'm personally not a fan of trying to keep fertility during TRT. Just let it go and come off when you want to start a family. If you can't deal with a few months of drugs in order to have a kid, you probably don't need to have one in the first place.

Depends on your level of TRT, I bet. If you're cycling like a body builder on something serious and doing weekly injections, I would think that's got to be more debilitating than the occasional dose of something long acting.

You have no idea what you are talking about. There are no levels of TRT, only doses.

TRT is not occasional dosing, it's permanent replacement of your body's natural test with weekly or biweekly injections of synthetic testosterone with long ester compounds. Typically cypionate or enanthate.

When it comes to your pituitary, if it's off its off. For all practical purposes if you run 200mg of test or 800mg of test you're going to experience shut down of your natural test and sperm production.

The length of time on is FAR more important than the dose when it comes to recovering testicular function if you come off.

Why would you take an "occasional" dose of something long acting? That would do nothing for you at all. The effects of the drug take weeks to manifest.

Let me clarify - by "level" I meant the amount taken and the kind of program you're on, not the measurement of test levels in the blood.

By "occasional" I do not mean capriciously - just not nearly as frequently as the products most people are talking about here. Every ten weeks is pretty occasional versus weekly injections. Long acting test is very effective for its given purpose. There's obviously a difference between an 8 week cycle stacking Sustanon 250 with Deca Durabolin versus a once every several weeks injection of Aveed (called Nebido outside the US).

I don't know for sure, but I'm guessing the latter is less impactful on sperm count too.

The use of aveed which is test in the undecanoate ester will still result in the shut down of natural production just as hard as weekly injections of test. When your body sees that it has enough test, LH and FSH production come to a halt. They don't come back till test drops below a certain level. It's like a thermostat.

Aveed is the same thing you just have to inject less frequently. The caveat is that the serum levels don't stay as steady as they do with biweekly treatment.

(03-02-2018 09:44 PM)Steelex Wrote:  You have no idea what you are talking about. There are no levels of TRT, only doses.

TRT is not occasional dosing, it's permanent replacement of your body's natural test with weekly or biweekly injections of synthetic testosterone with long ester compounds. Typically cypionate or enanthate.

When it comes to your pituitary, if it's off its off. For all practical purposes if you run 200mg of test or 800mg of test you're going to experience shut down of your natural test and sperm production.

The length of time on is FAR more important than the dose when it comes to recovering testicular function if you come off.

Why would you take an "occasional" dose of something long acting? That would do nothing for you at all. The effects of the drug take weeks to manifest.

I'm 46 and have been thinking of going on TRT for a while now. Or at least getting my levels checked.

What about Nebido?

From what I've read you get one injection every 3-6 months. BS or no?

It utilizes a very long ester of testosterone, every 10-12 weeks.

Yes it works. However I totally prefer self injecting twice a week. Your blood levels are far more stable and the results are better (and quicker).

When doing this sort of thing, a super long ester such as nebido takes some of the control out of your hands when it comes to adjusting dosages and controlling sides. With a shorter ester you can make changes, with a long ester you have to ride it out, so they typically start the dose on the low side.

(03-05-2018 07:44 AM)SeaFM Wrote:  I'm 46 and have been thinking of going on TRT for a while now. Or at least getting my levels checked.

What about Nebido?

From what I've read you get one injection every 3-6 months. BS or no?

The approved version in the US is called Aveed. The only difference is the dosage is 750mg in a 3ml bottle for Aveed versus 1000mg in a 4ml bottle for Nebido. The FDA would not approve the larger dose not because of the hormone itself, but out of (some say paranoid) concerns about pulmonary oil
microembolism (POME) after such a large injection. Even with Aveed, they issued a warning. I haven't read much elsewhere about serious problems with this so long as the guidelines are followed and it is properly prescribed and administered.

Nebido is available all over the world (including the Phils, AFAIK) and administered at clinics, typically. If you're getting tested in the US, expect a lot of resistance from your average doc to putting you on any kind of TRT unless you are at sub-soy levels naturally, say under 300 total. Hell, I had to find a different doc just to get tested as my primary care guy was either lazy and/or just didn't believe in TRT.

If / when I move forward I was thinking Thailand and the Maximum Performance clinic, unless anyone has any reason that's a bad idea.

Thinking of running an 8wk cycle of 300mg test/week for my upcoming bulk. Roughly double my TRT dose.

Not sure if it’s worth the legal risk to acquire more T or if I should just bulk as best I can on the TRT dose.

(03-20-2018 07:12 PM)Checkmat Wrote:  Thinking of running an 8wk cycle of 300mg test/week for my upcoming bulk. Roughly double my TRT dose.

Not sure if it’s worth the legal risk to acquire more T or if I should just bulk as best I can on the TRT dose.

Lol.

Why not cruise on 300+ mg/wk? You're injecting yourself anyway and you're on a pickup/bodybuilding board after all.

Have some questions regarding a convo my bodybuilding buddy and his friend had, but a little back ground:

I never was on Test before, so we did a trial run, then added Var, got off Var, completed the rest of my cycle.

Quote:Week 1: 350mg - Pin Dec 12 Pin Dec 15
Week 2: 250mg - Pin Dec 19 Pin Dec 24
Week 3: 250mg - Pin Dec 28 Pin Jan 2
Week 4: 250mg - Pin Jan 5 Pin Jan 9
Week 5: 250mg - Pin Jan 11 Pin Jan 16
Week 6: 250mg - Pin Jan 22 Pin Jan 26**
Week 7: 250mg - Pin Jan 30 Pin Feb 2nd
Week 8: 500mg- Pin Feb 9 (Couldn't Pin twice this week so I doubled up)
Week 9: 250mg- Pin Feb 11 Pin Feb 14th
Week 10:300mg- Pin Feb 19 Pin Feb 23
Week 11:300mg- Pin March 1 Pin March 5**
Week 12:300mg- Pin March 9 Pin March 14

**Introduced 40mg (2-20MG pills) of Anavar daily starting week of Jan 22 Stopped Anavar Week of Feb 23.

Pinned HCG 10mm once a day starting March 19th with March 31 being my last day.


I've always had a high sex drive, I noticed specifically with one girl it wasn't there, I was pushing rope half the time, but it's only been with her.

I had a half chub with my cougar plate, but becuase her giant dog scratched the shit out of me and was barking at the door. (probably was in my head)

I've fucked all the other girls just fine on my roster.

So I don't think my sex drive has taken a hit being off Test. (Yet)



Here's my question regarding HCG and Test:

Is it MORE beneficial to be on HCG while on Test, then tape off on PCT?

OR

Is it better to be on HCG during PCT?

What are the pro's and cons?

I read a bit about it here: https://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabo...22071.html

But I'm also interested in gents perspectives on here.


NOTE: I'll be jumping back on in a few weeks.

Why bother with hcg?

(04-06-2018 12:51 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Have some questions regarding a convo my bodybuilding buddy and his friend had, but a little back ground:

I never was on Test before, so we did a trial run, then added Var, got off Var, completed the rest of my cycle.

Quote:Week 1: 350mg - Pin Dec 12 Pin Dec 15
Week 2: 250mg - Pin Dec 19 Pin Dec 24
Week 3: 250mg - Pin Dec 28 Pin Jan 2
Week 4: 250mg - Pin Jan 5 Pin Jan 9
Week 5: 250mg - Pin Jan 11 Pin Jan 16
Week 6: 250mg - Pin Jan 22 Pin Jan 26**
Week 7: 250mg - Pin Jan 30 Pin Feb 2nd
Week 8: 500mg- Pin Feb 9 (Couldn't Pin twice this week so I doubled up)
Week 9: 250mg- Pin Feb 11 Pin Feb 14th
Week 10:300mg- Pin Feb 19 Pin Feb 23
Week 11:300mg- Pin March 1 Pin March 5**
Week 12:300mg- Pin March 9 Pin March 14

**Introduced 40mg (2-20MG pills) of Anavar daily starting week of Jan 22 Stopped Anavar Week of Feb 23.

Pinned HCG 10mm once a day starting March 19th with March 31 being my last day.


I've always had a high sex drive, I noticed specifically with one girl it wasn't there, I was pushing rope half the time, but it's only been with her.

I had a half chub with my cougar plate, but becuase her giant dog scratched the shit out of me and was barking at the door. (probably was in my head)

I've fucked all the other girls just fine on my roster.

So I don't think my sex drive has taken a hit being off Test. (Yet)



Here's my question regarding HCG and Test:

Is it MORE beneficial to be on HCG while on Test, then tape off on PCT?

OR

Is it better to be on HCG during PCT?

What are the pro's and cons?

I read a bit about it here: https://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabo...22071.html

But I'm also interested in gents perspectives on here.


NOTE: I'll be jumping back on in a few weeks.

I've been on Doctor prescribed TRT for 10 months now and my understanding that HCG is only for preventing ball shrinkage and preserving fertility and doesn't increase your sex drive or hard ons.

Personally, I will inject .3 ml of HCG twice a week if I feel my balls shriveling up, and then not inject once they feel right again. It's a generally a 2-3 week period of pinning and then a 3 to 4 week period of not pinning.

Any downsides while on TRT is that I'm pinning 5 times a week (2 HCG and 3 Test pins), which becomes a little inconvenient on a busy schedule.

But you may want to research the Excel Male boards for a more in depth medical perspective for the use of HCG

https://www.excelmale.com/content.php?54...t-help-men
https://www.excelmale.com//showthread.ph...-Fertility
https://www.excelmale.com/showthread.php...-protocols

Some of it is a little dry, but it has a lot of information. And I'm no doctor but a lazy erection is more of a sign that your estrogen is either too high or too low, which may be the case if you're in PCT.

Hcg tells your pitiuary gland in your brain to produce LH/FSH. I'm not going to go into details but hcg gives you thicker cum, keeps your ballsack nice and thick, I personally look better when taking it on cycle. 250iu's every third day is S3K's dosage on cycle. Pct or if you blast and cruise like me (i'm on trt medicated by a endo dr) I dose hcg @ 4000iu's 3 times a week (sub Q of course) for week one coming off cycle and than down to 2000iu's twice a week for weeks 2-4. I also take hcg 9 months yearly while on trt for the thickness in cum (love spraying these chicks) and I just look better. It also helps lowering my trt dosage. How? Agian hcg tells your pitituary to produce more lh/fsh which is the chemical that tells ur testes to produce more testosterone. It's true, a cycle shuts you down from all the synthetic chemicals, think of hcg helping you bounce back that much quicker. Also, hcg saves your fertility according to numerous ncbi findings.

About ncbi, try to make it a habit to research ncbi reports before anything else. I understand it's hard to understand at first but you will get it eventually. These are actuall research results and not peoples opinion like you find on 99% of the web. Excel male, bodybuilding forums etc. What i'm telling you is to do your own research from actual studies on a good sample size.

Heres some food for thought. What if I told you theres a ncbi on 2 week cycles. Imagine doubling or even tripling your var and test dosage to get it all in just 2 weeks. Why 2 weeks? Sides begin to develop after the 2 week period (gyno, acne you already know) as well with receptors, (specifically mitochondria) becoming saturated around the 2 week mark. What does this mean, no sides and a way more effective cycle (speaking from experiance). Aight went off topic but think you have your answer with reguards to hcg. Its a must have and its relatively cheap.

Anyone fuck with peptides/SARMs? Ordered some RAD140 to add on top of TRT for a few weeks.

I was adverse to the legal risks of ordering illegal gear so figured I’d give this a go.

Yeah, I've messed around with SARMS for the past 2 years, and have been experimenting with stacking SARMS with my TRT (I take 225mgs per week, separated into 3 pins) over the past 8 months. I actually just finished a Rad-104 cycle to finish off my bulk, and now I'm taking Ostarine. But I had great results with Rad and want to run Ostarine and Rad together soon.

The biggest benefit of running SARMS with TRT is that you technically don't need a PCT and you can bounce from one SARM to another, but I think in the long term your body needs a break from time to time. From someone who ran the same SARMS both on and off TRT (although I just started running Ostarine on TRT), I can say the results are definitely more pronounced on TRT.

In my experience SARMS for bulking is a waste. You're better off blasting Test or using D-Bol. The "bulking" SARM is Ligandrol. The problem with Ligandrol is that it's the most suppressive SARM and will cause your estrogen to spike, so you need to add an AI. So it requires the maintenance of a Test blast, along with the negative side effects (It gave me a nasty cystic acne outbreak), but with half the gains you could get with Dbol or a blast. Also bottles of Ligandrol are expensive, like 70 dollars each and you're going to need 4 for a full cycle. Add in a couple of bottles of AI and you're close to $400 USD with shipping.

On the other hand, I've had great results using SARMS for body recomposition and for a cut. The 2 big ones are Rad-104 and Ostarine. Basically, Rad and Ostarine are for guys who don't want to run Tren, Winstrol or Anavar. Either because they don't know where to get it, or the potential gains and shreds are outweighed by the potential side effects of those compounds.

For my Rad cycle I was taking 30 mgs a day in the morning. What I liked most about Rad is that it made my muscles dryer, and I was noticeably more vascular 6 weeks in.

I could sense it spiked my estrogen though, because I continued to break out. I declined to get blood work done until my last week of the cycle, and I'm currently awaiting the results to confirm. If I were to run it again, I would drop the dosage to 20 mgs and take an AI (I was taking DIM because my Test Cyp has Anastrozole mixed in it, but I should have added a standalone AI).

I just started an Ostarine cycle at 20 mgs a day, but I might add 10 mgs of Rad and run this stack all Summer. I think both of these would work well together, but I'll let you know.

If you decide to stack a SARM with your TRT, then don't be an idiot like myself and slowly ramp up the dosage and get blood work done 3 or 4 weeks in to see how you're body is reacting. If you don't then you risk getting acne, and frequent anger flashes, and who knows what else.

Finally, I've also been taking MK-677, which is the "Growth Hormone" SARM (although It's technically not a SARM). No bullshit, I gained 13 pounds in the first 30 days taking 677 (175lbs. to 188lbs), and had noticeably deeper sleep. The first time I took it I did an 8 week cycle at 30mgs a day. I eventually gained another 4 pounds to give me a total of 17 pounds gained (granted this was a fat/muscle/water combo gain). I then took 8 weeks off, and then ran a second 8 week cycle at 30 mgs a day. But this one was not as productive as the first and I don't think I gained much weight at all.

Now I'm taking 677 on a 5 days on/5 days off schedule and we'll see how it goes. I've gained 3 pounds since the beginning of March, but will continue to run this schedule over the next month or so and see what happens.

The problem with sarms is that the research is inconclusive. One study says a specific compound is not suppressive and another study says it is. I do think there safer than anabolics but I definitly would NOT run them during PCT. They are suppresive and the goal of PCT is to bounce your natrual test back to normal levels.

Also, the gains I've made on sarms do not stick around as much as anabolics. Even with an air tight diet. If I gain 10lbs of lbm (lean body mass), 8 weeks after cycle i'm down to 1-2 lbs lbm.