Post: #226

SteveCR, do you go to the gym for muscle building purposes? And if so, what is your routine?

Post: #227

What helped me at one point lose a bit of my bludge permanently was taking laxatives - I lost 10 lbs of shit from my intestinal tract that never came back.

Post: #228

(05-28-2014 10:35 PM)roid Wrote:  I eat up to 1 kg of beef steak per day and at least half a dozen of eggs per day. I hardly think it is a reduction of calories.

You said that you quit eating wheat and dairy and drinking canned drinks. Those are all high-calorie foods. Of course you started losing fat when you cut those out (because you quit eating some foods that were high in calories). The foods themselves weren't causing you a problem - it was the amount of those foods you were eating.

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(05-28-2014 11:08 PM)Moma Wrote:  SteveCR, do you go to the gym for muscle building purposes? And if so, what is your routine?

I do. My routine is something that I really like for my goals. I do an upper/lower split 3 times a week. Monday is upper body. Wednesday is lower body. Friday is upper body. Then the next week it switches around. Monday is lower body. Wednesday is upper body, and Friday is lower body.

Upper body is Bench press, military press, pullups, 1 arm dumbbell row and supinated lat pulldown. I switch between 3x5, 3x8 and 3x12.

Lower body is squats, leg extension and leg curl. I do at least 3x12 for these (physical therapists' recommendation). I only focus on those 3 for lower body because I had a mountain bike accident that shattered my left kneecap, so the rehab has been slow and painful. So I do those 3 exercises first with both legs, and then again using just my left leg.

Post: #230

(05-28-2014 09:35 PM)Switch Wrote:  And in regards to dairy, it's really not good for you past childhood. It has been linked to increased rates of cancer due to the growth hormones, and most people are intolerant to dairy in some way or another, either through bloating, diarrhea, or other symptoms. It also causes acne, again, due to the hormones. I still eat cheese, but no longer drink milk. I use almond milk for protein shakes, it's not very expensive.

If you can digest dairy, then there's nothing wrong with it for you. I never understood the statement that it's not okay to drink the milk of another species, yet it's somehow okay to eat their flesh (which is also treated with growth hormones)?

And furthermore, while there are studies that link dairy and red meat consumption to various health risks, there are also studies that prove the opposite. So if you have studies that say that dairy and red meat are bad, and you have studies that say that dairy and red meat are good, which do you believe (and why)?

Post: #231

Maybe it's your posture? More specifically, pelvic tilt

Post: #232

(05-28-2014 04:23 PM)Menace Wrote:  Is dairy truly bad?

It just depends how your body reacts to it.

It's different for everyone.

I only eat it in the morning because if I eat it at night, it shows up on my belly in the morning.

(05-28-2014 06:45 PM)SteveCR Wrote:  Banning foods from your diet is doing nothing in and of itself.

Sorry to keep disagreeing with you! It's nothing personal..

But, banning certain foods can be very beneficial.

For example, banning wheat if one is allergic to wheat.

(05-28-2014 06:51 PM)SteveCR Wrote:  Why would drinking Coke encourage belly fat?

Because it's artificial liquid sugar and artificial liquid sugar is the fastest way to get belly fat, in my opinion.

(05-28-2014 06:51 PM)SteveCR Wrote:  Why would the calories from sugar encourage belly fat, but the calories from the sugar in vegetable juice would not encourage belly fat?

Because the artificial, processed sugar in Coke is really bad.

But, the naturally occurring vegetable sugar in vegetables is not nearly as bad.

And, vegetable juice works to dissolve the excess fat in our digestive tract.

For these reasons, vegetable juice is a much better option than coke for someone trying to lose their belly.

(05-28-2014 06:51 PM)SteveCR Wrote:  Sugar is sugar

You think the sugar in Coke is the same as the sugar in fresh vegetables..?

This is our major point of disagreement.

I think the sugar in coke is terrible compared to the sugar in vegetable juice.

Coke sugar = toxic (encourages fat)

Vegetable sugar = medicine (discourages fat)

In my opinion.

Post: #233

Well I'm going to just cut out dairy and replace with non-dairy calories for several months and see what happens. Ultimately, I don't think there is one true diet, although there are guidelines, and we actually have to experiment with our bodies to see what works.

Post: #234

(05-29-2014 09:05 AM)SteveCR Wrote:  

(05-28-2014 10:35 PM)roid Wrote:  I eat up to 1 kg of beef steak per day and at least half a dozen of eggs per day. I hardly think it is a reduction of calories.

You said that you quit eating wheat and dairy and drinking canned drinks. Those are all high-calorie foods. Of course you started losing fat when you cut those out (because you quit eating some foods that were high in calories). The foods themselves weren't causing you a problem - it was the amount of those foods you were eating.

Yes Sir, and I also said that to make the calorie deficit, I take in high amount of meat. So at the end of the day, more or less, I eat the same amount of calories as I used to.

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Facepalms all round to the guys who think a calorie is a calorie.. it's simple. Carbs spike insulin ... which... ask anyone with diabetes.. ok can't be bothered to type, just watch:

Post: #236

(05-29-2014 12:45 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  Sorry to keep disagreeing with you! It's nothing personal..

But, banning certain foods can be very beneficial.

For example, banning wheat if one is allergic to wheat.

Again, this thread is not about health, it's about burning belly fat. Apples and oranges.

(05-29-2014 12:45 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  Because it's artificial liquid sugar and artificial liquid sugar is the fastest way to get belly fat, in my opinion.

The fastest way to get body fat is to eat more calories than you're expending. Has nothing to do with the composition of those calories.

(05-29-2014 12:45 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  Because the artificial, processed sugar in Coke is really bad.

But, the naturally occurring vegetable sugar in vegetables is not nearly as bad.

And, vegetable juice works to dissolve the excess fat in our digestive tract.

For these reasons, vegetable juice is a much better option than coke for someone trying to lose their belly.

Sugar is sugar. The sugar in Coke (depending upon where you live) will either be from corn or cane. For somebody trying to lose body fat (as you can't specifically target belly fat), it doesn't matter whether you drink Coke or veggie juice.

(05-29-2014 12:45 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  You think the sugar in Coke is the same as the sugar in fresh vegetables..?

This is our major point of disagreement.

I think the sugar in coke is terrible compared to the sugar in vegetable juice.

Coke sugar = toxic (encourages fat)

Vegetable sugar = medicine (discourages fat)

The sugar in Coke (again, depending on where you live) is chemically the same as the sugar in everything else, including fresh fruits and vegetables. The sugar in Coke is either from corn or cane. There's nothing wrong with sugar. Sugar is the current scapegoat of the industry, as is dairy, wheat and gluten. Remember back when fat was bad for us? Remember back when cigarettes were good for us?

My point to all of this is that the fitness industry has resulted in a bunch of people having disordered eating. People put these weird rules on themselves, they weigh and measure their food down to the gram, they calculate their calorie burn, they ban entire food groups from their diet, etc. It's disordered eating, and it's not healthy.

I can't say if drinking Coke is healthy or not, but drinking Coke has no effect on your body composition. Sugar is sugar, and calories are calories. But personally, fuck the calories.

As Michael Pollan said ... "Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants." That's really all it really boils down to. Learn your body. Eat when you're truly hungry (I think that many of us have forgotten what it means to be truly hungry vs having mental hunger). Give your body the nutrients it needs, and your body will regulate itself. No dieting, no counting calories, no banning food groups, no giving into current nutritional dogma.

Oh, and stop sitting around so dang much. We're meant to move.

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(05-29-2014 12:47 PM)Menace Wrote:  Well I'm going to just cut out dairy and replace with non-dairy calories for several months and see what happens. Ultimately, I don't think there is one true diet, although there are guidelines, and we actually have to experiment with our bodies to see what works.

Unless you get sick when you consume dairy, there's no need to remove a food group from your diet.

Post: #238

(05-29-2014 01:09 PM)roid Wrote:  Yes Sir, and I also said that to make the calorie deficit, I take in high amount of meat. So at the end of the day, more or less, I eat the same amount of calories as I used to.

The only way that is possible is if you also increased your exercise and/or your NEAT (Non-exercise activity thermogenesis). If neither of these changed, then it's not physically possible for you to have burned fat if you kept the same calorie intake. You're not special, and your body can not defy the laws of physics.

Post: #239

(05-29-2014 01:23 PM)2014 Wrote:  Facepalms all round to the guys who think a calorie is a calorie.. it's simple. Carbs spike insulin ... which... ask anyone with diabetes.. ok can't be bothered to type, just watch:

The act of eating spikes your insulin, unless you strictly consumed nothing but fat.

Post: #240

so consume high fat low carb and watch the belly melt..

Post: #241

go to 2:31

Post: #242

More nutritional disordered eating. Man, stop with the dogma. Fuck. There's a reason why people can't eat low carb for life. Think about that.

The longest living, healthiest cultures all eat a high carb, high starch diet. Every last one of them. Some of them eat dairy. They all eat animals. They aren't plagued with our own Western diseases. And yet, carbs are the devil. SMH.

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(05-29-2014 01:47 PM)2014 Wrote:  so consume high fat low carb and watch the belly melt..

One of many from pubmed:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16685046
BACKGROUND:
Low-carbohydrate diets may promote greater weight loss than does the conventional low-fat, high-carbohydrate diet.
OBJECTIVE:
We compared weight loss and biomarker change in adults adhering to a ketogenic low-carbohydrate (KLC) diet or a nonketogenic low-carbohydrate (NLC) diet.
DESIGN:
Twenty adults [body mass index (in kg/m(2)): 34.4 +/- 1.0] were randomly assigned to the KLC (60% of energy as fat, beginning with approximately 5% of energy as carbohydrate) or NLC (30% of energy as fat; approximately 40% of energy as carbohydrate) diet. During the 6-wk trial, participants were sedentary, and 24-h intakes were strictly controlled.
RESULTS:
Mean (+/-SE) weight losses (6.3 +/- 0.6 and 7.2 +/- 0.8 kg in KLC and NLC dieters, respectively; P = 0.324) and fat losses (3.4 and 5.5 kg in KLC and NLC dieters, respectively; P = 0.111) did not differ significantly by group after 6 wk. Blood beta-hydroxybutyrate in the KLC dieters was 3.6 times that in the NLC dieters at week 2 (P = 0.018), and LDL cholesterol was directly correlated with blood beta-hydroxybutyrate (r = 0.297, P = 0.025). Overall, insulin sensitivity and resting energy expenditure increased and serum gamma-glutamyltransferase concentrations decreased in both diet groups during the 6-wk trial (P < 0.05). However, inflammatory risk (arachidonic acid:eicosapentaenoic acid ratios in plasma phospholipids) and perceptions of vigor were more adversely affected by the KLC than by the NLC diet.
CONCLUSIONS:
KLC and NLC diets were equally effective in reducing body weight and insulin resistance, but the KLC diet was associated with several adverse metabolic and emotional effects. The use of ketogenic diets for weight loss is not warranted.

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Cool story bro.

Sweden /thread

Post: #245

(05-29-2014 02:18 PM)SteveCR Wrote:  The longest living, healthiest cultures all eat a high carb, high starch diet. Every last one of them. Some of them eat dairy. They all eat animals. They aren't plagued with our own Western diseases. And yet, carbs are the devil. SMH.

Can you namedrop these cultures?

Post: #246

(05-29-2014 02:18 PM)SteveCR Wrote:  More nutritional disordered eating. Man, stop with the dogma. Fuck. There's a reason why people can't eat low carb for life. Think about that.

The longest living, healthiest cultures all eat a high carb, high starch diet. Every last one of them. Some of them eat dairy. They all eat animals. They aren't plagued with our own Western diseases. And yet, carbs are the devil. SMH.

Western diseases, especially heart disease, obesity and diet related health problems have exploded post 1970. That co-indices with when the FDA went off the deep end into low fat diets, which have ruined the health of the west. Also, the western diet today consists of largely processed white carbs, bread, flour, pasta, pizza.

Go ahead and try eating 1900 calories of flour a day and see how well your health goes..



Also fats are not made equal. Veg oils are hell for your body. Butter, Animal fat and coconut oil (saturated fats we evolved eating) are good for you

+ watch the movie Fat Head.

Post: #247

For me, this whole discussion comes down to this statement..

(05-29-2014 01:29 PM)SteveCR Wrote:  It doesn't matter whether you drink Coke or veggie juice.

This is where we disagree.

To suggest that Coke = Vegetable Juice is..

Well, it's ridiculous to me..

I'm going to respectfully agree to disagree with you.

Thanks for offering a different opinion, you did make me think hard about my position.

*****

To anyone looking to reduce belly fat, my personal opinion is that vegetable juice is many times more helpful then coke.

They are much different and will have much different effect on the body.

Even, if the calories are the same.

Strawberries are not that same as strawberry ice cream cake.

Post: #248

@ Giovi: no, they both will make you fat like a mofo if you consume too much of it, even while vegetable juice has added benefits while coke does not.

Post: #249

(05-29-2014 05:59 PM)sheesh Wrote:  @ Gio: no, they both will make you fat like a mofo if you consume too much of it

Respectfully disagree.

Drinking too much coke will make you fat.

Drinking too much vegetable juice will not make you nearly as fat, if at all.

My opinion.

Post: #250

(05-29-2014 02:35 PM)2014 Wrote:  Cool story bro.

Sweden /thread

The really cool part about science is that it doesn't matter if you agree with it or not. Some people just refuse to accept evidence when it contradicts what they so steadfastly believe.

You are wrong. Period.