Post: #26

All I have to say on this is said already by Demetri Marchessini

Quote:A woman called Caroline Oulton has disclosed in The Times 2 that she was gang-raped in India, when she was 19 years old. The details about the gang-rape are horrible, and the three young Indian men behaved like animals.

Nevertheless, her story brings up a point that occurs very often when English people go abroad. Namely, that they do not grasp that other countries are not like England, and they think that they can behave there the same way they behave at home. There was, for example, some years ago a young girl who had gone to Africa with some other young people on a tour. Their only guide was a young man only 21 years old, who was not African. One day, because it was hot, they wanted to swim, so they went to the river nearby, in the late afternoon. Needless to say, they were all ignorant of the fact that the late afternoon is the time that the crocodiles come out, and, unfortunately, this girl was eaten by a crocodile. Was that bad luck?

Similarly, Miss Oulton was travelling around India, with a young man. She was 19 years old, and she says she was a virgin. She did not realise that Indian men consider any girl who travels alone with a man to be a whore. Whether that is reasonable or not is irrelevant. The fact is the Indians believe it, and it is their country. On the occasion in question, she says that three young Indian men in their early twenties had invited her and her young man to have dinner with them, in one of their parents’ houses. Although she does not say so, it is obvious that she barely knew the young men, if she knew them at all. She certainly did not know their parents. No sensible girl would go anywhere at night, in the Third World, with three young men whom she did not know. Would she have done that in London? Furthermore, after a lengthy walk, the venue turned out to be the roof of a shed in the middle of a muddy field. There was no house, nor the promised swimming pool. At that point, any sensible girl would have left. But she and her boyfriend remained, and agreed to get on this roof. One of the boys disappeared to “get the food”, and the other two remained with them. Some considerable time elapsed, and she and the boyfriend wanted to leave, but one of the boys was holding on to her arm. When her boyfriend tried to intervene, the Indian boy threw her off the roof, which knocked her unconscious. When she regained consciousness, her boyfriend was nowhere to be seen, and the Indians started raping her in turn. During the rape, she belated realised that the youngest one had some kind of “developmental difficulties”. What that was is not made clear, yet, she had followed him out of the city and into a ploughed field.

Miss Oulton tells us that a woman in India is raped approximately every 20 minutes. That sounds like a lot. Yet, in England, a country with a small population compared to India, the incidence of rape is approximately the same. Furthermore, in England there is a new category in the statistics for rape – namely “Rape of Males”. This figure has now reached 1,300 per year in the last recorded year, and per 100,000 of population it is not very different from the number of women raped in India. An interesting thought.

http://marchessini.co.uk/2013/03/28/trav...dangerous/

Post: #27

(06-04-2013 10:22 AM)Menace Wrote:  She did 4 big things wrong in combination: (1) travelling alone, (2) in northern India (the most backward part of India where all of these rapes are happening), (3) hitchhiked, (4) got into car with 3 men.

If any one of these things was missing, she might have avoided this fate. You almost have to be willfully stupid to get into such trouble.

(5) It was 1 in the morning.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/04/world/asia...?hpt=wo_c2

Post: #28

(06-04-2013 11:03 AM)Menace Wrote:  In fact, I am amazed IRT's don't leverage their roots to use guru game...it's chick crack for a certain segment of their coveted white girl demographic.

This is worth watching. Basically some Indian grad student grows a huge beard, walks around in a robe, and starts speaking nonsense and a bunch of stupid white people start following him:

http://kumaremovie.com/

Free on Netflix.

Post: #29

(06-04-2013 01:51 PM)Camel Wrote:  (5) It was 1 in the morning.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/04/world/asia...?hpt=wo_c2

Wow thats insane.

I disagree with Roosh that the problem is being raised to think "you are not responsible for your personal safety"

I think the problem is they are raised to think all poor people are nice and innocent, possibly also warm and cuddly, and its actually wealthy people who are to be mistrusted.

American kids that grow up in a city or near bad neighborhoods know how dangerous they are. The rest are taught that poor people might do bad things but its mostly either a misunderstanding or the result of police brutality and as long as you are nice too nothing bad will happen to you.

Just stand in a well trafficked tourist area of a major US city for a while, and you will see a steady stream of people who think that the guy on the street corner is actually going to spend that $5 on food instead of alcohol, meth, or walk around the corner and drive off in their car (extra naivety points for never hearing of food stamps, homeless shelters, or dumpster diving.)

Post: #30

(06-04-2013 09:30 AM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

(06-04-2013 06:50 AM)Roosh Wrote:  This is what happens when you're raised in a culture to believe that you are not responsible for your personal safety.

This.

Also, this is what happens when you combine the world's thirstiest dudes (especially for white girls) and the world's most delusionally girl-powered women in the world.

I think this has something to do with the ratio of male to female. There are 60 fewer women for every 1000 men. That adds up fast. Especially when there are 623,724,248 men. This can lead to more beta males easily. I read a book that said many Indian men don't get to marry because of this.


Male to Female Ratio in India

World Male to Female Ratio

Post: #31

(06-04-2013 03:05 PM)Doulos2Game Wrote:  

(06-04-2013 09:30 AM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

(06-04-2013 06:50 AM)Roosh Wrote:  This is what happens when you're raised in a culture to believe that you are not responsible for your personal safety.

This.

Also, this is what happens when you combine the world's thirstiest dudes (especially for white girls) and the world's most delusionally girl-powered women in the world.

I think this has something to do with the ratio of male to female. There are 60 fewer women for every 1000 men. That adds up fast. Especially when there are 623,724,248 men. This can lead to more beta males easily. I read a book that said many Indian men don't get to marry because of this.


Male to Female Ratio in India

World Male to Female Ratio

If they don't put out then what difference does it make if there a few extra dudes..

So Indians are the thirstiest on the planet? Even more than some of those strict muslim countries? I also read here they have the smallest junk in the world and My theory is American girls have the biggest cavernous vaginas, I wonder if she felt anything?

Post: #32

I'm not sure about this, but I feel that the gender ratio has a geographical skew in India. In the North I think it is skewed much more towards more men. The North has backwards places like the states of Uttar Pradesh and Bihar. If you travel in Northern cities you will see far more men on the streets than women. In contrast, southern cities like Bangalore look completely normal; there are women everywhere (although they are ugly for the most part). People go to the North because that's were many of the famous sights are, like the Taj and others. The North is also the source of Buddhism.

Post: #33

This shouldn’t have even made it onto the Washington Post or CNN headlines in the first place.

Violent rape is bad, but it’s not like she was murdered or had her house burned to the ground. As I see it, a woman getting raped by three men isn’t much different from a guy getting beat up by three men and suffering minor injuries. The only real difference is that people don’t often enjoy getting beat up.

Unless there was a gun put to her head or she was forced/tricked into taking dangerous hard drugs, a typical sentence for rape should only be a few weeks or months, definitely not longer than a year unless, again, a murder threat was involved. It certainly isn't worth the risk of ruining innocent men's lives.

A common question is how your feelings would change if a female family member were raped, but it doesn’t make a difference. Men are overprotective of their female loved ones and often don’t want to believe that she may have enjoyed it or that it wasn’t really that big of a deal. Hell, most men, myself included, could get violent over even an insult toward his wife, mother, daughter, or sister, but that doesn't justify rape hysteria and how it's affected our justice system.

I could understand a woman staying upset over this for a long period of time if she were a virgin waiting for her wedding night, but this was probably just a 30-year-old slut traveling alone in search of a “doesn’t count” Indian notch.

I brought this up on the thread about false rape accuser Tucker Reed, who began experiencing this “emotional distress” a year later after coming to the conclusion that she had been raped. This sort of example hints that rape-trauma could largely be from social conditioning.

According to the study cited in this article by Paul Elam, “57% of women who were raped on college campuses reported feelings that were described as ‘positive’ and ‘satisfied,’ about the experience,” and that “38% of the respondents reported a desire to repeat the experience, some obsessively so.”

As many as 21 percent of women who claimed to have been raped admit to having at least one orgasm during the experience, and researchers have hypothesized that the real figure is probably higher due to the embarrassment and denial of having enjoyed the attack.

These are the “traumatizing and life-changing attacks” that are getting men sentenced to over 10 years in maximum-security prisons.

Post: #34

Indian rape trolls

Post: #35

Quote:As I see it, a woman getting raped by three men isn’t much different from a guy getting beat up by three men and suffering minor injuries.

Christ, I'm going to sound like a feminist...but how on earth would you know? The only comparable experience for a male is also being raped, and I doubt you'd say that's kind of like getting beat up. I'd bet most guys on this forum would take quite a few ass beating instead of getting gang-raped.

That quote is fodder for feminists to gain outrage.

Post: #36

(06-04-2013 04:58 PM)Scarlet_Terror Wrote:  

Quote:As I see it, a woman getting raped by three men isn’t much different from a guy getting beat up by three men and suffering minor injuries.

Christ, I'm going to sound like a feminist...but how on earth would you know? The only comparable experience for a male is also being raped, and I doubt you'd say that's kind of like getting beat up. I'd bet most guys on this forum would take quite a few ass beating instead of getting gang-raped.

That quote is fodder for feminists to gain outrage.

I don't care whether feminists will be outraged. I'm outraged that I can't share this opinion publicly, but that's not going to change anything.

All I can tell you is that men don’t fantasize about being raped by other men, enjoy it, orgasm from it, or report a desire to repeat the experience, while women very frequently do. This is why you can’t compare the rape of a man to the rape of a woman. Even then, it doesn't justify a 10-year prison sentence.

Post: #37

(06-04-2013 04:09 PM)Atilla Wrote:  As I see it, a woman getting raped by three men isn’t much different from a guy getting beat up by three men and suffering minor injuries.

The girl in India - of course was preventable, she was dumb, etc.

At the risk of sounding like a feminist - I disagree with your statement. How about comparable to a guy getting raped by three men?

Post: #38

(06-04-2013 05:39 PM)Atilla Wrote:  

(06-04-2013 04:58 PM)Scarlet_Terror Wrote:  

Quote:As I see it, a woman getting raped by three men isn’t much different from a guy getting beat up by three men and suffering minor injuries.

Christ, I'm going to sound like a feminist...but how on earth would you know? The only comparable experience for a male is also being raped, and I doubt you'd say that's kind of like getting beat up. I'd bet most guys on this forum would take quite a few ass beating instead of getting gang-raped.

That quote is fodder for feminists to gain outrage.

I don't care whether feminists will be outraged. I'm outraged that I can't share this opinion publicly, but that's not going to change anything.

All I can tell you is that men don’t fantasize about being raped by other men, enjoy it, orgasm from it, or report a desire to repeat the experience, while women very frequently do. This is why you can’t compare the rape of a man to the rape of a woman. Even then, it doesn't justify a 10-year prison sentence.

I think LEGITIMATE rape does justify a 10-year prison sentence. I'm talking grabbing a girl who is not drunk, dressed well, off a safe street into a van or something. Or drugging a girl you're on a date with, etc. (I doubt this type of rape happens very often, I really don't know).

I think when feminists talk about their illegitimate rape (girl getting drunk or regretting sex, etc.) they are taking away from true victims.

Post: #39

(06-04-2013 05:45 PM)Aurelian Wrote:  

(06-04-2013 04:09 PM)Atilla Wrote:  As I see it, a woman getting raped by three men isn’t much different from a guy getting beat up by three men and suffering minor injuries.

The girl in India - of course was preventable, she was dumb, etc.

At the risk of sounding like a feminist - I disagree with your statement. How about comparable to a guy getting raped by three men?

It would make more sense to compare it to a gay guy getting raped by three men.

What is it about rape that makes it so much worse than a person getting beat up?

Post: #40

(06-04-2013 05:54 PM)Atilla Wrote:  

(06-04-2013 05:45 PM)Aurelian Wrote:  

(06-04-2013 04:09 PM)Atilla Wrote:  As I see it, a woman getting raped by three men isn’t much different from a guy getting beat up by three men and suffering minor injuries.

The girl in India - of course was preventable, she was dumb, etc.

At the risk of sounding like a feminist - I disagree with your statement. How about comparable to a guy getting raped by three men?

It would make more sense to compare it to a gay guy getting raped by three men.

What is it about rape that makes it so much worse than a person getting beat up?

The penis in your ass part more than likely.

Post: #41

I guess she found her spiritually awakening.

I have come across a few of those "types" who dreamed off going to Nepal/India as some sort of spiritual enlightment. When I told them they will encounter insects, rats and bugs they quickly cooled on the idea.

India is a different culture and people must learn to respect that, hitchhiking in the countryside is just stupid. Would she try that crap in America? I don't think so!

Post: #42

(06-04-2013 05:52 PM)Aurelian Wrote:  I think LEGITIMATE rape does justify a 10-year prison sentence. I'm talking grabbing a girl who is not drunk, dressed well, off a safe street into a van or something. Or drugging a girl you're on a date with, etc. (I doubt this type of rape happens very often, I really don't know).

I think when feminists talk about their illegitimate rape (girl getting drunk or regretting sex, etc.) they are taking away from true victims.

If you grab a girl into a van and beat her up, that's not going to get you 10+ years - unless it does for kidnapping. There should be a strong reason why.

(06-04-2013 05:58 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  The penis in your ass part more than likely.

It's definitely more humiliating, but I mean the difference in sentencing to jail/prison.

There are lots of humiliating things people can do that often leads to suicide even, like cyber-bullying, and it doesn't get a person life in prison.

Post: #43

Damn!
That means slut walks will be coming to India.

Post: #44

(06-04-2013 06:28 PM)Armenian Wrote:  Damn!
That means slut walks will be coming to India.

I believe they already have. I vaguely remember something about a slut walk last year.

Post: #45

On the Indian spirituality thing, I think the Sanskritist F Max Muller was right 100 years ago to tell his students fuck going to India because it was nothing like the place you'd imagine based on the texts. Hell, even studying Sanskrit there isn't worth it any more, since the real pundits are all gone. The last generation of Westerners to study with legit local experts are in their sixties now.

Post: #46

(06-04-2013 07:14 PM)Genghis Khan Wrote:  

(06-04-2013 06:28 PM)Armenian Wrote:  Damn!
That means slut walks will be coming to India.

I believe they already have. I vaguely remember something about a slut walk last year.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed/...22532.aspx

“We are very disappointed that women did not turn up for the walk. This is about them,´ said Swati Singh Baghel, one of the organisers.

Post: #47

Dumb ass / Darwin Award. Hitchhiking in a foreign country is a moronic thing to do regardless of the sex.

Post: #48

(06-04-2013 08:19 PM)Gmac Wrote:  Dumb ass / Darwin Award. Hitchhiking in a foreign country is a moronic thing to do regardless of the sex.

People did it all the time in America 1950's/1960's. People would knock on each other's doors and ask if they could stay the night, and they would usually say yes. People backpacked from one end of the coast to the other.

But that was back when America was nearly 100% Christian, racial solidarity (inside your respective race), and cultural solidarity (You were American, and PROUD of it).

Those days are gone.

Post: #49

I completely agree with everyone else, this girl was a complete and utter idiot, but this

(06-04-2013 04:09 PM)Atilla Wrote:  As I see it, a woman getting raped by three men isn’t much different from a guy getting beat up by three men and suffering minor injuries. The only real difference is that people don’t often enjoy getting beat up.

wow, just wow, so rape is the same as getting beat up and suffering minor injuries. And not only that you even imply that women like being raped, just... wow... what you wrote is disgusting.

Post: #50

This is just another example of searching for sensationalism and totally being ignorant of common sense.

Yes, it is sad that it happened to her. The men involved should be brought to justice and what not, but I mean these kind of things just make you go "WTF were you thinking?!". On top of it you never get the real story anyway from media sources so you are not sure what exactly happened. Overall though it just makes no sense.

So you leave a "friend's" place in the middle of the freaking night, with no means of transportation in the middle of nowhere. Don't you or your friend have any iota of sense to see that this is retarded? And then you proceed to get in to a freaking truck with three men, I mean who does these kind of things.

Heck, even guys watch themselves when they are in shady areas with risk of things going bad. It just beats me how some people just never bother to think about things for a second before embarking on such self-inflicted horror stories.

Fine, you wanted to travel solo, get a sensational experience and enlighten yourself or whatever the hell. But if you are going to do it, be aware of your surroundings, the risks involved and take proper precautions.

India might be a great tourist destination, culturally, spiritually and what not but at the end of the day it is just like any other place in the world if not worse off in numerous ways. Poverty is huge, illiteracy is an issue in rural areas, men are sexually oppressed, there is widespread corruption and the list goes on.

One of the biggest issues in India is simply that men don't have means for sexual satisfaction due to the cultural and societal barriers and impositions. But they are exposed to glamour, sexual intimacy etc through media constantly so the end result is always something of this sort. A majority of similar cases can be avoided simply by the society being more acceptable of sexual relationships in India, yes, it won't completely eradicate it but it would at least lessen it to a degree.

All I can say is that although there are problems with India, the undertaking that this women took was plain stupid and she ended up where she is because of her bad judgement and lack of common sense. The media is going to have a field day with women activists jumping up all over the place for a little while, and then things will vanish and not surface again until a similar incident happens again!!