Post: #4901

^ Solid 7.5 WB. Disney wearing women love sex too, freaks.

Post: #4902

Right, I never saw her in person so I can't vouch that she looked that good in person, which is why I was thinking she was looking at the wrong dude. would have gladly banged, and it really sounded like that was all she wanted was a good hard dicking. Makes for a funny story, but would have much rather been having sex right now.

Post: #4903

^^I'd give her an 8 based on that first pic. Skinny body, pretty face and long legs. +0.5 for the red head factor. Mmmm.

If it were me I would have called her when she sent that text. She probably thought someone else was you, which could have been cleared up with a phone calls

But fuck it! Charge it to the game and move on.

Post: #4904

yeah i texted her immediately as I was walking out saying that I was pretty sure she was looking at the other dude sitting in the chair by the door, i was waiting by the elevator, there is no way she could have seen me. I guess i should have taken a photo of myself and texted it to her and said "here is what i am wearing, so you can actually recognize me" or something.

Here is the conundrum, if she contacts me tomorrow and says she is sorry and messed up etc, do i give her another shot? I have other girls I am trying to bang so I will just concentrate on them i think because that sort of behavior is just silly.

Post: #4905

I let one slip between my fingers tonight!

Met up with this girl and her friend at 4pm for day drinking and concerts at SXSW. Blonde girl that was taller than me and wearing a short black dress. Wide hips and very sexy. By midnight we've been obviously making out heavy for awhile. It's been awhile since I've had a girl hook so hard on me!

BUT, she lives in a studio apt., and her fatass friend staying with her from out of town insisted on going home. She couldn't have me over! And, since I'm staying with friends, I couldn't have her over.

She told me that if the circumstances were different, "I would have ravaged you hours ago."

---

All that said, I had one of the BEST experiences with her that I've EVER had with a girl.

Around 10:30 we are bar hopping, and we stumbled across 2 dozen fresh red roses lying on the sidewalk, totally abandoned.

So, she picks them up, gives me half, and we walk around for the next 25 mins giving them out to random strangers (mostly girls) one by one. The smiles on people's faces were incredible! Many people told us that we had just made their entire week.

I have never done a random act of kindness before. It was one of the most genuine experiences I've had in my life. Very very cool, and very fun to share that experience with a girl. I am still smiling about it!

So, I didn't get the bang, but I helped make 2 dozen people really happy and they'll probably never forget the time a random couple gave them a red rose.

And for that, I feel good!

Post: #4906

^Sounds like one of those spontaneous moments that you remember with crystal clarity years after they happen. Nice!

***

Having a 7 over for drinks Saturday. Really cute face, seems like an introvert. Like that type.

Tentative plans for the weekend with the 8 I banged last Friday. She's down for movies at her place if she's not housesitting her parents' place during the weekend. We'll see if she's ultimately a flake.

If Saturday gets double booked I'm gonna have a hard time deciding who to flake on!

Post: #4907

(03-17-2015 11:53 AM)kaotic Wrote:  

(03-16-2015 08:11 PM)robreke Wrote:  On tonight's front...I'm having a complete meltdown with this idiot 19 year old I was supposed to meet. She never sent me her addy....I was driving to get her at the appointed time of 7.30 and told her I was on my way and she texts me 15 minutes later "sorry...I'm only halfway across the bridge running now with my friend" It's like a 4 mile bridge.

I tried to contain myself...but considering I drove over an hour to this town and got a nice hotel...I lashed out with a semi angry text to which she responded "are you just here tonight are you rushing me"

I explained I wasn't rushing her but that I fit her into my schedule based on what she told me: that we were on for tonight ( I suppose kind of shaming her)

I suppose there's a high chance I won't hear back from her again. So, total fucking meltdown...it went from her asking me earlier in the day if she was staying with me tonight to now...me guilting her (completely justified mind you ) for basically semi flaking....not being ready for the date. I don't know what I'll do with her at this point...probably just get up in the morning and drive back to my city and next this bitch.

I'm going to be honest with you, like someone was to me earlier:

You didn't keep your cool, this had a dash of desperation in it.

I get it, you drove that far, to be let with your dick in your hand (momentarily).

A woman guilting the average guy works, a man guilting a woman, NEVER works. In fact it pushes her further away from you.

The whole conversation in this thread, shows that you weren't ready and didn't have your A game.

You didn't even know how to approach picking her up from her home. What made you think you were ready to game her ?

If you look back at your conversation, it shows you DIDN'T build up enough comfort to make her not even worry about if she's spending the night with your or not.

What you should've done is texted her a bit THEN called her to finalize plans, to me this makes the meeting more relaxed and you approach it with more confidence.

You need to lay the ground rules, you need to let her know what the situation is.

-You happen to be in town for business for one night and can hangout.
-If she's lucky she might spend the night.
-You'll be expecting her to wait curbside dressed in something cute.
-Having a solid plan dialed as far as logistics and venue changes go.

This all felt a bit rushed on your part.

At least you banged the other girl to sort of make up for this.

At this point - you COULD do a follow up text.

I'd probably just next this girl and move onto greener pastures.

FWIW, this 19 year old flake has reinitiated contact. Today she hit me up with: " sorry I've been so busy. do you want to do something today. I have to go to work at 4p.m."

I think she's just an immature, not very organized 19 year old. Apparently, she still wants to meet.

I told her I'd already left town and may be back in a week or so and would let her know. I probably have to head down that way anyway to visit some family.

This time, I'm going to get her on my schedule and frame like kaotic suggested.

Post: #4908

(03-18-2015 01:17 AM)eradicator Wrote:  Right, I never saw her in person so I can't vouch that she looked that good in person, which is why I was thinking she was looking at the wrong dude. would have gladly banged, and it really sounded like that was all she wanted was a good hard dicking. Makes for a funny story, but would have much rather been having sex right now.

Would she have been so crass as to invite 2+ guys over at same time, and screen them in the lobby when she saw them arrive via the lobby cam? Probably.

Interesting all the layers of advantage women have over the dating market. Ridiculous

Post: #4909

(03-18-2015 06:48 PM)Ingocnito Wrote:  

(03-18-2015 01:17 AM)eradicator Wrote:  Right, I never saw her in person so I can't vouch that she looked that good in person, which is why I was thinking she was looking at the wrong dude. would have gladly banged, and it really sounded like that was all she wanted was a good hard dicking. Makes for a funny story, but would have much rather been having sex right now.

Would she have been so crass as to invite 2+ guys over at same time, and screen them in the lobby when she saw them arrive via the lobby cam? Probably.

Interesting all the layers of advantage women have over the dating market. Ridiculous

No, there was no lobby cam. A girl came out to fetch the other dude from the elevator, a brunette, as soon as the elevator opened, I hugged the girl and quickly realized it wasn't the red head I was waiting for. She looked right at me and said "hello!" so I said hello back and hugged her and said "oh waitaminute, you arent erin". She said "oh you aren't friends with Clovis?!"(odd name for a dude, but whatever) and she went to her friend and talked with him and then i got the text asking me to leave.

The whole thing was very bizarre.

I did get a text from another 323 number this morning asking how I was at about 615am. I asked who it was and got no response. It could have been the same girl because she was using google voice. Is there anything to be learned from this?

Post: #4910

Damn. I never really read this thread because there are just so many posts, but this thread is a goldmine. Guys are dropping KNOWLEDGE in here.

Post: #4911

Reinitiated a cold lead the other by texting her a picture of a celeb she looked like. We texted back and forth a bit to catch up (she even asked if I was still single) and told her we should get drinks next time she would be in town, she immediately replied "I'm in the city this weekend actually "

Post: #4912

(03-17-2015 02:20 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  Showing pictures isn't interactive enough.

Things I do once home with a chick:

1) Play a drinking card game(s)
2) Make them show me the music THEY LIKE on Spotify and I constantly judge what they show me, I have an ADD vibe of making them change songs and genres, I make them into my personal DJ
3) Go out on the back porch and smoke a cigarette together
4) Smoke weed together
5) Climb up on the roof and smoke or drink together

You can't lose with Alcohol + Music + Dim Lighting + A Drinking Game + A Cigarette

One thing I want to add to my arsenal is a simple appetizer I can make very quickly in the kitchen. Something as simple as guacamole and chips where I can recruit the girl to help me. It is important that this dish is so easy to make it will take no longer than 20 minutes maximum and is not complicated. This can put you on the same team.... you can drink while you make the appetizer together and enjoy it after. This is like a venue change away, it fast forwards time and bonds you together.

Playing together, drinking together, making food together, smoking together, dancing together.... all this togetherness leads to fucking together.

Other suggestions are buy some silly dance dance video game and make her play, or MarioKart girls love that game for some reason.

B7's had the great suggestion of draw a portrait of each other with crayons and put books stacked inbetween for 10 minutes so you can see each other but not each other's drawings.

Another tip is to pour a drink in the kitchen and stand with her and talk in the kitchen... music is of course playing.. maybe dance with her a little bit then make out. Standing in the kitchen is almost like being at a bar but at home. You are facing each other and can check each other out. It raises sexual tension. Good music must be playing.

Be interactive.

Here are a list of things many guys do that I think have a larger chance for failure on a 1st date for a bang:

- Movies
- Telling long stories
- Showing her a bunch of pictures
- Telling her all about your life.
- Never talk about work unless it is extremely interesting and if it is keep it to a few simple sentences... if she is interested enough she will ask more.

*These above are all for after banging her (and really only for mini-LTRs and beyond). If you want her to stay as a fuck buddy well you probably won't ever be doing any of these and you will rinse repeat the first set of stuff I mentioned with her once a week maximum. You need to keep that let's have fun and fuck frame solid.

I get the feeling you are hesitant to ditch your pictures. It shows you fear they may get bored and leave maybe because what you are doing is in fact a bit boring or else why would you have this fear? When I bring a girl back I know it will be a fun time, if she isn't having fun... she just must really suck. I mean how could you not have fun doing the things I mentioned? It is interactive and fun. You are connecting.

You are preaching, man. Really solid input.

Why didn't you post this two weeks ago? I would not have failed my last date at my house

Post: #4913

So my latest bang, the blondie hungout with me Weds night.

She payed for the drinks this time and we banged, she's still very stiff, I could tell their is alot of pent up energy, that pussy's tight. Not to toot my own horn but she even told me in funniest way "you have a nice sized penis", I couldn't help but laugh.

She's actually a really cool girl, she knows she could lose a few pounds and I encouraged her, just told her to to lose those titties or ass.

Her midwest accent is pretty cute actually, she denies she has one though. I'm gonna help her learn to drive again, since she's scared. It'd be a fun learning experience, anytime you do something new with a girl, it becomes intimate.

This smoking black 8 from tinder, she pulled this shit test

Then we texted back and forth a few days, here's a few exchanges putting her on the defensive and qualifying her, I'm sure it can help some players out. (She didn't call me and we didn't talk at all yesterday)

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I ended up CALLING her this morning, caught her at a good moment, we chatted, had a great convo, turns out she doesn't drink smoke or do drugs.

Always a plus in my book, and I like challenges like this to bang her.

I think she might be keen on banging, we'll see, unfortunately we agreed tonight wouldn't workout since she'll be leaving town when I barely get in, oh well, I've got 2 more pipelined today, and 2 plates that I've got in reserve

Post: #4914

After a number of recent near misses, lost LMR battles and major mental fatigue my game is officially on hiatus for the next 4 weeks. I'll be moving to the next town over the second week in April to a studio loft across from an up and coming outdoor mall and will be ready to hit it hard again at that point. For now I'll coast along with my two FB's and if any dormant plates re-emerge I'll jump on those but in the mean time I'll focus on my diet, fitness and just resting my weary and fatigued mind.

Post: #4915

(03-16-2015 05:46 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  Fuck, every time Gio posts something:

I am no "prophet". (I just try to sound like one! )

In reality, I am just a guy who has been aggressively practicing game for the last 7 years.

If you keep doing what you have been doing, you will experience all kinds of intellectual breakthroughs, realizations, and insights regarding game. When you are 30, the 20 year old guys will say that you are a "prophet".

But, really, it's not mystical or magical, it's just hard work, dedication, passion, and commitment.

Honestly, my game is not even that good. I have success because I play the "numbers game" in huge numbers.

*****

(03-17-2015 12:24 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  Gio

In your estimation what is considered "good game" in terms of closing a woman once she's at your place?

"Good" is subjective to each man.

What is "good" for me may not be "good" for you. It all depends on our own unique situation, experience, and skill level.

Often times, I don't think we should compare ourselves to other people.

We should compare ourselves to the person that we were yesterday.

It's about you vs you -- Not, you versus other guys.

As far as actual numbers and statistics, Travesty444 breaks it down here:

(03-17-2015 12:27 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  80%+ - Amazing closer

50%+ - Good closer

25%+ - Fair closer

Below 25% you need a lot of work.

I agree with these figures.

I used to be less than 50%, now, I am above 50%.

Travesty444 also gives tons of great advice about how to create a sexual and seductive atmosphere and environment. (earlier in this thread)

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(03-17-2015 12:24 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  I still struggle with LMR beyond that.

I used to struggle with LMR..

This stuff helped me a lot:

Quote:First, get her drunk. This lowers her inhibitions and opens up her up for pleasure and fun.

Then, touch her playfully in a non sexual way. Grab her arm to get her attention. Touch your leg against hers and pretend its an accident. Better yet, put your leg close to her's so it will seem like she touched you first. Gently, touch her shoulder or forearm when you guys are laughing together. Playfully, tap or "slap" her on the leg when she disagrees with you. Grab her arm and give it a gentle squeeze when you agree on something.. These are just basic examples of playful non sexual touching.

The next step for me is "Soft stroking". (Gently and lightly running my fingers over her skin)

I often start with her hands, rubbing them and caressing them.

I "soft stoke" her wrists, forearms, upper arms and shoulders, taking my time before moving higher. I caress her collarbone and neckline, rub her back and run my hand across the back of her neck...

Finally, I put my nose on her ear and my face next to hers.. I run my lips over her neck and hair line..

I go for the make out, I rub her ass.

This is what has worked for me over the years.

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Eating ice cream, chocolate, or some other form of sweet dessert has also helped me escalate.

I usually go for the kiss soon after she finishes her ice cream.

*****

(03-16-2015 02:22 PM)robreke Wrote:  she just texted me "am I staying the night w you?"

Honestly, this was foreplay. She was starting the sexual process with you.

She wanted you to reply with something strong, masculine and reassuring.

(03-16-2015 08:11 PM)robreke Wrote:  I'm having a complete meltdown

Instead, you lost your composure and subsequently lost the bang!

When a 19yo girl is dealing with and considering banging a man in his 40s, she will probe that man for weaknesses.

Before her legs will open, her mind needs reassurance that the man is strong.

Having a meltdown is not a good look for an older man trying to seduce a 19 year old.

She wanted you to handle things like a big boy.

When you had your emotional meltdown, the sexual momentum was lost.

Post: #4916

First day in Lima. Been chatting with some chick on badoo and I send her my digits. She called a few times and I wasn't paying attention to my phone so I tell her Ill call in a few. I get distracted chatting with the management in this hostel for maybe 2 minutes and she fires back with "you're a liar. again I call you and you have answered no! and I never call you again, goodbye!" :roll eyes:

One crazy hoe crossed off the list.

EDIT: literally the moment I post this she comes back with "que parte de Miraflores estas?"

Post: #4917

(03-17-2015 01:59 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  

(03-17-2015 01:40 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  Start the date nights early. I am in SoCal as well. I try to start my dates at 7. Get them back to my place at 8:30 or 9.... have that last drink at home it's 9:30 only and still pretty early. This helps their resistance towards having drinks and making out.

If a girl is horny and wants sex a weeknight won't stop her. She is willing to lose an hour or two of sleep or have a tiny hangover to get banged out well just like guys will if the opportunity is right.

I've known girls that rarely drink ever. On a work night or whatever they will at least have two drinks with me.

If a girl won't have two drinks with you on a weeknight she isn't attracted enough, which means you need to improve your looks and body language.

2 drinks is a light buzz to medium buzz for most attractive girls that are skinny and not alcoholics. Many girls you can bang from this.

If she is more attracted she will go into the 3-5 drink range. This is a heavy buzz and you can definitely bang.

Just hold the frame when you are at the bars (be a fun relaxed guy, play some pool with them) have 1 or 2 drinks (many times a way to get a girl to have a second drink is to mention a drink you haven't had in a long time or just heard of and you want to get one with her... you need to sell it as this something fun you really want to do and she should join in your fun -- most girls won't be a wet blanket fun killer... if they hesitate tease them big time), when you get back to your place play a drinking game get one more in them. That's 2-3.

If you can't close the first date, wait a 5-7 days to call them for the second date. On date 2 if they won't drink more and get into having sex they aren't attracted enough, I would move on.

Do you know how slutty U.S. women are? If you don't you haven't gamed enough yet. Most of these girls especially if you meet them online are dying to get banged out by a guy with game. They are attracted to that like we are to hot chicks. If it is a work day and you are on a date with a hot chick and having a great time will you have another drink because she wants to? Of course! They love that carousel. Be their pony.

Thanks for the tough love Travesty! Most of my dates start at a bar where we will have 1-2 rounds of drinks and then I suggest we check out some of my photos back at my place. I've pitched having another drink at my place in the past and many will resist because it's "getting late" so I lead with the photos and then push for the drink once back at my place (and they never refuse). HOWEVER, I think where I'm screwing up is I tend to make my move early before they're even half way done with the drink I made them. I have the belief that I need to go for the kiss very soon after they get back to my place or they'll get bored and leave. Is this a bad belief for me to have? What it sounds like is I need to let them finish the drink I make them and get them on another one before making a move, is this correct?

Thinking back, many of my easier bangs were indeed after we had a couple of drinks at my place but again, I'm paranoid that by waiting for them to finish their drink I'm sending the vibe that I don't have the courage to make a move and they'll give me the "well it's late, I need to be going now" line...

This is an area I haven't 100% gotten down either. I usually invite girls back to my place to try a cool recipe and watch a movie... I live about 10 minutes (drive) from downtown where all good bars and nightlife spots are. It works ok, but I'd like to try something less common.

Any other good tips or ideas for inviting girls back to the pad? 'Getting a drink at my place' would be way better if I lived close to any venues and could walk with them back.

Post: #4918

^Build up enough sexual energy that you don't need a gambit to lure her back to your place.

If Brad Pitt was macking on a girl, do you really think he'd say "hey doll let's go back to my place so I can show you my saltwater aquarium" ? No, he would play it cool and say "let's get outta here."

Done deal.

Post: #4919

(03-20-2015 12:05 AM)redbeard Wrote:  ^Build up enough sexual energy that you don't need a gambit to lure her back to your place.

If Brad Pitt was macking on a girl, do you really think he'd say "hey doll let's go back to my place so I can show you my saltwater aquarium" ? No, he would play it cool and say "let's get outta here."

Done deal.

And how do you do that? And once you build up enough sexual nuclear how do you get her to your place without tripping her anti-slut missile defense matrix?

While I get what you are saying, I don't get all the allegories to Brad Pitt/famous star. If I'm only half as good looking or half as famous as those guys all I need to do is show up and don't fuck up, just like my Ryan Gosling lookalike wing and girls would just tap me on the shoulder to introduce themselves (yeah, that's how it is every time I go out with him)

Post: #4920

(03-20-2015 06:09 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

(03-20-2015 12:05 AM)redbeard Wrote:  ^Build up enough sexual energy that you don't need a gambit to lure her back to your place.

If Brad Pitt was macking on a girl, do you really think he'd say "hey doll let's go back to my place so I can show you my saltwater aquarium" ? No, he would play it cool and say "let's get outta here."

Done deal.

And how do you do that? And once you build up enough sexual nuclear how do you get her to your place without tripping her anti-slut missile defense matrix?

While I get what you are saying, I don't get all the allegories to Brad Pitt/famous star. If I'm only half as good looking or half as famous as those guys all I need to do is show up and don't fuck up, just like my Ryan Gosling lookalike wing and girls would just tap me on the shoulder to introduce themselves (yeah, that's how it is every time I go out with him)

Dalaran I know you've been around here a while so don't think I'm talking down to you, but... dude. This is basic stuff. You're asking "how do I make her want me" and "how do I deal with ASD?" You know how to make her want you. If she's going back to your place, she wants something from you, and it's probably not to look at your CD collection. ASD happens sometimes, you can't control her. You control you. Maybe you're the 4th guy she's fucked this month after breaking it off with her LTR and she's starting to realize that she's the village slut and god damn it, she's not easy!

The allegory is because it's an ALLEGORY. You're supposed to SEE yourself as Brad Pitt. You have confidence. You are the boss. Be that guy. Don't be the guy who asks "OMG, how do I get past this girl's ASD!" Be the guy who says "you don't care whether she comes, stays, lays, or prays. I mean whatever happens, your toes are still tappin'."

Post: #4921

(03-20-2015 07:34 AM)RockHard Wrote:  

(03-20-2015 06:09 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

(03-20-2015 12:05 AM)redbeard Wrote:  ^Build up enough sexual energy that you don't need a gambit to lure her back to your place.

If Brad Pitt was macking on a girl, do you really think he'd say "hey doll let's go back to my place so I can show you my saltwater aquarium" ? No, he would play it cool and say "let's get outta here."

Done deal.

And how do you do that? And once you build up enough sexual nuclear how do you get her to your place without tripping her anti-slut missile defense matrix?

While I get what you are saying, I don't get all the allegories to Brad Pitt/famous star. If I'm only half as good looking or half as famous as those guys all I need to do is show up and don't fuck up, just like my Ryan Gosling lookalike wing and girls would just tap me on the shoulder to introduce themselves (yeah, that's how it is every time I go out with him)

Dalaran I know you've been around here a while so don't think I'm talking down to you, but... dude. This is basic stuff. You're asking "how do I make her want me" and "how do I deal with ASD?" You know how to make her want you. If she's going back to your place, she wants something from you, and it's probably not to look at your CD collection. ASD happens sometimes, you can't control her. You control you. Maybe you're the 4th guy she's fucked this month after breaking it off with her LTR and she's starting to realize that she's the village slut and god damn it, she's not easy!

The allegory is because it's an ALLEGORY. You're supposed to SEE yourself as Brad Pitt. You have confidence. You are the boss. Be that guy. Don't be the guy who asks "OMG, how do I get past this girl's ASD!" Be the guy who says "you don't care whether she comes, stays, lays, or prays. I mean whatever happens, your toes are still tappin'."

It was a rhetorical question. And plus I wanted to know how Redbeard does it personally. I'm picking up bits and pieces from various people here that are very useful.

I have my own methods that work, sure, but it doesn't work a lot of the time. My last 3 dates, one I got home, made out on my couch and ASD was fucking crazy "I don't fuck when there's no love involved". Bitch was not even that hot so I kicked her out. The other two dates, hot crazy makeouts but when I tried to venue changed home, one gave me the "I really want to take it slow" and the other "It's late I really have to go".

I'm at a state where I'm questioning everything I know. Obviously I know the basics which got me so far, but they stop working now when I'm trying to close hotter girls than last year.

I care a lot less now if I don't close, but after multiple strikeouts can you seriously say that you don't even feel at least annoyed? That's all I feel, annoyed, like when the professor doesn't come to class and doesn't notify you so you can do other stuffs.

Post: #4922

A week and a half ago I was on fire. Same night lay with an 8, had my fwb, workin an awesome 22 yr old.
(thought about putting up a post on my picture perfect pickup)

I'm sure I'll bang the 8 again (have a couple times), still have my fwb, but that damn sweet 22 yr old girl has me thinkin, and I don't like thinkin.

In the end, women are just distractions. Really, really, really fun distractions. Time to reassess what I'm doing with my life.

Post: #4923

(03-20-2015 08:21 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  I have my own methods that work, sure, but it doesn't work a lot of the time. My last 3 dates, one I got home, made out on my couch and ASD was fucking crazy "I don't fuck when there's no love involved". Bitch was not even that hot so I kicked her out. The other two dates, hot crazy makeouts but when I tried to venue changed home, one gave me the "I really want to take it slow" and the other "It's late I really have to go".

I'm at a state where I'm questioning everything I know. Obviously I know the basics which got me so far, but they stop working now when I'm trying to close hotter girls than last year.

I care a lot less now if I don't close, but after multiple strikeouts can you seriously say that you don't even feel at least annoyed? That's all I feel, annoyed, like when the professor doesn't come to class and doesn't notify you so you can do other stuffs.

This! I know I'm kicking a dead horse here but the above happens to me all. the. time. Meetup at the bar goes great, they agree to come home with me, we're drinking together, sitting on my two person loveseat side by side, music is playing. And then I get the same type of resistance as you Dalaran. Many times the woman will quickly kiss me and then pull away. Or if things progress to a light make out I'll get the "I want to take things slow" line. My only LMR technique is to pull away, chat for a few minutes and then start again. I usually hit the same wall as before and then I can almost see the woman getting bored and I get some condescending variation of "You're funny" with a rub or tap and they get up and leave.

The misses this last week have really been haunting me. I consider myself a reasonably intelligent and logical guy. I used to struggle with the actual date and getting a woman to come back to my place. Ok, I've got that somewhat down, now I'm struggling with the final close. And I know it's my technique because the woman's reactions have been almost universally the same. It's comforting that women are so predictable but I'm seriously about to lose my shit if I can't figure this out...

Post: #4924

(03-20-2015 09:46 AM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  

(03-20-2015 08:21 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  I have my own methods that work, sure, but it doesn't work a lot of the time. My last 3 dates, one I got home, made out on my couch and ASD was fucking crazy "I don't fuck when there's no love involved". Bitch was not even that hot so I kicked her out. The other two dates, hot crazy makeouts but when I tried to venue changed home, one gave me the "I really want to take it slow" and the other "It's late I really have to go".

I'm at a state where I'm questioning everything I know. Obviously I know the basics which got me so far, but they stop working now when I'm trying to close hotter girls than last year.

I care a lot less now if I don't close, but after multiple strikeouts can you seriously say that you don't even feel at least annoyed? That's all I feel, annoyed, like when the professor doesn't come to class and doesn't notify you so you can do other stuffs.

This! I know I'm kicking a dead horse here but the above happens to me all. the. time. Meetup at the bar goes great, they agree to come home with me, we're drinking together, sitting on my two person loveseat side by side, music is playing. And then I get the same type of resistance as you Dalaran. Many times the woman will quickly kiss me and then pull away. Or if things progress to a light make out I'll get the "I want to take things slow" line. My only LMR technique is to pull away, chat for a few minutes and then start again. I usually hit the same wall as before and then I can almost see the woman getting bored and I get some condescending variation of "You're funny" with a rub or tap and they get up and leave.

The misses this last week have really been haunting me. I consider myself a reasonably intelligent and logical guy. I used to struggle with the actual date and getting a woman to come back to my place. Ok, I've got that somewhat down, now I'm struggling with the final close. And I know it's my technique because the woman's reactions have been almost universally the same. It's comforting that women are so predictable but I'm seriously about to lose my shit if I can't figure this out...

Ah dancing along that fine line between escalating (women want you to want them) and being outcome-independent (women don't want you to want them too much).

That pretty much sums of the destructive nature of women.

Tip: Always be pushing and pulling. This includes conversation, body language, kino, everything.

If you feel you're pulling too much (escalating), push and disqualify her (turn away, move away, say something disqualifying, physically push her gently (kino+disqualify). Go indirect, not about her.

If you feel you're pushing too much (denying/disqualifying), say something direct about wanting her, "come here", pull her toward you, touch her with a sexual feel. Go direct, about her.

An example: Last night I was out with a hottie I had, going into it, hung out with 2x, no sex, just heavy makeouts. I didn't like the feeling going into last night. In hindsight, one manifestation of me wanting her and her not giving it up for me previously was for me to be less teasing and lighthearted, which meant less pushing and pulling.

I think what happens is we start turning into problem solvers rather than being playful.

Post: #4925

(03-20-2015 11:13 AM)heavy Wrote:  An example: Last night I was out with a hottie I had, going into it, hung out with 2x, no sex, just heavy makeouts. I didn't like the feeling going into last night. In hindsight, one manifestation of me wanting her and her not giving it up for me previously was for me to be less teasing and lighthearted, which meant less pushing and pulling.

I think what happens is we start turning into problem solvers rather than being playful.

I had this exact same feeling entering into my date last Sunday. I had hung out with the woman 2x before as well, the second time she came to my place but I couldn't get anywhere with her other than a light makeout. I entered the date with a do or die attitude and sense of entitlement that sex was inevitable since it was the "magical" third date. I still felt like I ran decent game but I know my impatience and frustration came through instead of being playful and outcome independent.

I'm not sure how many of you are golfers but internalizing these game tactics and using them in the moment is to me exactly like making a swing change and being able to execute it on the driving range but once on the course it feels impossible