I just watched A Serbian film.

Wasn't half bad

Things were going really well with this girl (who I have not banged), then all of a sudden she wakes up Sunday morning (we crashed at a friend's after a party), moves off the couch I was on and is acting really weird... has to leave promptly and is far less passionate kissing me goodbye, wtf?

Did she look in my phone and see something she didn't like? I'm struggling to come up with an explanation, as we'd hung out several times and I figured this one was just a matter of when, not if.

Not straying from my bang within the first week or disengage strategy anytime soon.

I don't feel like a player at all, just wanted to get this off my chest... something's wrong in my vibe. The last couple of dates I've set up, I didn't felt like I got a green light to escalate in any way, and it ended up with just a friendly vibe. Not what I'm going for.

Today a Brazilian who I thought was DTF but then in the middle starts talking about her BF who just dumped her. WTF? Do I look like some beta faggot who's gonna pay $4 for a drink so I can listen to her problems? Apparently I do.

4$ is pretty good for a drink.

Maybe you're just not horny enough.

Hit the weights, don't jerk off, and visualize the girl naked and getting fucked when you talk to her...that might help.

" visualize the girl naked and getting fucked when you talk to her...that might help."

This helped me turn cold librarian looking chicks into magical sex creatures.

Just visualize the doggy style view, and ignore all the shit tests or whatever.

(07-22-2014 06:25 PM)CJ Wrote:  Things were going really well with this girl (who I have not banged), then all of a sudden she wakes up Sunday morning (we crashed at a friend's after a party), moves off the couch I was on and is acting really weird... has to leave promptly and is far less passionate kissing me goodbye, wtf?

Did she look in my phone and see something she didn't like? I'm struggling to come up with an explanation, as we'd hung out several times and I figured this one was just a matter of when, not if.

Honestly, sounds like you waited too long. Something we've all done. 'Several times' right?

Was she sleeping on the couch with you? Was she in a different room and maybe expected your company?

I had this new girl who just got out of a bad relationship [like 2 years] so I took it slow. But after getting drunk with her like 4-5x and being invited to her apt I didn't make the move, so the FriendZone arrived. I gotta say it was my fault. She was thirsty for new penis. Third time was def the charm.

Of course now she says 'I miss you!' via txt and social media. We have a good vibe but it's asexual now. Sadly.

Boom, think I got my answer... from my ex of all people.

She was calling me looking for a hook-up, and I told her tonight wasn't going to happen, but I could talk to her for awhile if she wanted. Anyway, she told me a story of when we were first hanging out, and proceeded to literally describe the exact same situation... without me telling her this same scenario had repeated. She then explained it was because she realized she was falling for me and got scared. Shortly after we were banging regularly. Not sure how I forgot this, damn alcohol...

I haven't posted my approaches in the approach thread in a while but from the 70 or so I've done so far, I got about 4 or 5 numbers and FINALLY, the first date from a cold approach. Black girl with an 8 body, average face.

I gave her a google voice number. Called her and asked "what time do you get off Tuesday?" We set up a date for that evening. Right before the meetup she texts "So, are you gonna give me your real number," "No?" I say "If all goes well, maybe," to which she responds "I need to know because you could be a creep." Anyways, I responded with a "I had an incident with another girl," at which point she showed up and off we went.

We went and got some drinks at a bar. I moved myself closer and immediately gave her the "I want to fuck you look," to which she smiled away. Kissed her many times, to which she resisted a total french kiss. I touched her almost every way I could including a slap on her nice round ass.

She was in my car and ready to get dropped off to her place and she asked "So are your intentions to have sex with me," to which I remembered some shit off the forum and responded "You know what I'm not gonna lie. I just want to have a good time. Whatever happens, happens." She said "ok" and I drove out to her place. She lived in a high rise building in the city.

Of course, I feel the need to use the restroom at the this point. I pull up to her building and tell her I need to go. I can sense her reluctance but she takes me in. There's a doorman there and we both say whatsup. I'm rolling my body up to hers again for possibly the 20th time, except this time in the elevator sensing that a sure thing is coming.

She suddenly runs out of the elevator to the corner and I do too, swipes a card there and opens a door which leads to a gym. The lights turn on and lo and behold, there is a little room which has white insides. She points to it and says "There you go, there is the bathroom." I respond in surprise, "This is the bathroom?" as I grab her towards me. As soon as I finish saying this she runs away from me and back into the elevator just in time for it to shut.

In my mind the frustration spelled out ...F-U-C-K!!

All said and done, I think I came on too strong and could have been a bit more aloof through the night. I thought the cat was in the bag but I fucked it up. I was laughing my way back to be honest.

(07-23-2014 01:17 AM)Cobra Wrote:  I haven't posted my approaches in the approach thread in a while but from the 70 or so I've done so far, I got about 4 or 5 numbers and FINALLY, the first date from a cold approach. Black girl with an 8 body, average face.

I gave her a google voice number. Called her and asked "what time do you get off Tuesday?" We set up a date for that evening. Right before the meetup she texts "So, are you gonna give me your real number," "No?" I say "If all goes well, maybe," to which she responds "I need to know because you could be a creep." Anyways, I responded with a "I had an incident with another girl," at which point she showed up and off we went.

We went and got some drinks at a bar. I moved myself closer and immediately gave her the "I want to fuck you look," to which she smiled away. Kissed her many times, to which she resisted a total french kiss. I touched her almost every way I could including a slap on her nice round ass.

She was in my car and ready to get dropped off to her place and she asked "So are your intentions to have sex with me," to which I remembered some shit off the forum and responded "You know what I'm not gonna lie. I just want to have a good time. Whatever happens, happens." She said "ok" and I drove out to her place. She lived in a high rise building in the city.

Of course, I feel the need to use the restroom at the this point. I pull up to her building and tell her I need to go. I can sense her reluctance but she takes me in. There's a doorman there and we both say whatsup. I'm rolling my body up to hers again for possibly the 20th time, except this time in the elevator sensing that a sure thing is coming.

She suddenly runs out of the elevator to the corner and I do too, swipes a card there and opens a door which leads to a gym. The lights turn on and lo and behold, there is a little room which has white insides. She points to it and says "There you go, there is the bathroom." I respond in surprise, "This is the bathroom?" as I grab her towards me. As soon as I finish saying this she runs away from me and back into the elevator just in time for it to shut.

In my mind the frustration spelled out ...F-U-C-K!!

All said and done, I think I came on too strong and could have been a bit more aloof through the night. I thought the cat was in the bag but I fucked it up. I was laughing my way back to be honest.

Give her a couple days, and pretend nothing happened. If you stayed cool, she'll just think "gee, I'm a fucking a weirdo" and let you have another date, if not next her ass.

Some girls are not ready to get down so fast, and most will forgive you for being impulsive. In the car, I would have said " you're already thinking about sex, huh?... You know it doesn't surprise me..." And smirk, unless the girl was born yesterday, she knows what's up, just give her a ridiculous answer, she'll realize she's being ridiculous. I think your line wasn't said in the right tone, and it just felt awkward, instead of just bringing to her attention how childish she's being.

Also, on the way to the elevator, did you hold hands or she grabbed your elbow? I feel like you acted like a stranger inside the elevator and (along with the vague line) lost the playful dominant sexy vibe. Try to stay in the moment, make it feel natural ( cause it is)

You should frame it like, if there was a bed right there and then (or an isolated space) if you were to take her right there and then, she should say " of course". There be sexual tension about to burst, with her eagerly waiting for it, just escalate inside the elevator. It needs to be understood mutually, just unspoken.

You are going to be a fuck machine in no time, you put the effort and it's paying off.

Cobra you played right into her shit test. It's good that you didn't get emotionally rattled, but next time try agree and amplify to make fun of what she's saying and don't respond to a ridiculous question with a straightforward answer, otherwise you are letting her frame the interaction.

You could have exaggerated and changed into a roll play. When she said that maybe you could have responded with something like "yes we are going to make thirty two babies and sell to them to the circus so that we can pay for our mansion in Hawaii. It's all part of my master plan"

Then she'd probably laugh and be like "thirty two?!?" And you'd be back on track.

Or she'd be dead silent or say something like "ok that was random", which probably means that she wasn't attracted to you enough.

When in doubt about what you did, do the Brad Pitt or Johnny Depp test. Replace yourself in your mind with brad Pitt or Johnny Depp in that situation. Would she ask any of those guys that question in her car? I know it sounds extreme, but it's a good reminder of how attractive you have to appear these days.

It sounds like you might have come on too direct too soon at the bar or maybe didn't come off as attractive to her as you thought.

Having a conviction that girl is yours isn't just about thinking "I own her" it's about knowing based on experience that what you are presenting her with is irresistible to her.

There have been times when I given off very attractive vibes and I'm getting eyeballed by chicks constantly. There are other times when they just ignore me.

I'm constantly aware of this and taking note when girls aren't checking me out because I see it as a sign of me needing to improve my presentation. It usually means I have to up my style and body language.

For me that usually means standing up with better more confident looking posture or getting some new gear.

Which reminds me- I should probably go out and get a necklace and maybe a ring and some bracelets. That guy "alpham" on YouTube has some good points about men's jewelry. It's just added extra thing get her attention.

Also I probably need to work out more.

Italian redhead street stop, logistics impossible, language barrier. 3 girls turned around for a double take. Now i'm running late.

Good morning RVF

(07-23-2014 01:17 AM)Cobra Wrote:  I haven't posted my approaches in the approach thread in a while but from the 70 or so I've done so far, I got about 4 or 5 numbers and FINALLY, the first date from a cold approach. Black girl with an 8 body, average face.

I gave her a google voice number. Called her and asked "what time do you get off Tuesday?" We set up a date for that evening. Right before the meetup she texts "So, are you gonna give me your real number," "No?" I say "If all goes well, maybe," to which she responds "I need to know because you could be a creep." Anyways, I responded with a "I had an incident with another girl," at which point she showed up and off we went.

We went and got some drinks at a bar. I moved myself closer and immediately gave her the "I want to fuck you look," to which she smiled away. Kissed her many times, to which she resisted a total french kiss. I touched her almost every way I could including a slap on her nice round ass.

She was in my car and ready to get dropped off to her place and she asked "So are your intentions to have sex with me," to which I remembered some shit off the forum and responded "You know what I'm not gonna lie. I just want to have a good time. Whatever happens, happens." She said "ok" and I drove out to her place. She lived in a high rise building in the city.

Of course, I feel the need to use the restroom at the this point. I pull up to her building and tell her I need to go. I can sense her reluctance but she takes me in. There's a doorman there and we both say whatsup. I'm rolling my body up to hers again for possibly the 20th time, except this time in the elevator sensing that a sure thing is coming.

She suddenly runs out of the elevator to the corner and I do too, swipes a card there and opens a door which leads to a gym. The lights turn on and lo and behold, there is a little room which has white insides. She points to it and says "There you go, there is the bathroom." I respond in surprise, "This is the bathroom?" as I grab her towards me. As soon as I finish saying this she runs away from me and back into the elevator just in time for it to shut.

In my mind the frustration spelled out ...F-U-C-K!!

All said and done, I think I came on too strong and could have been a bit more aloof through the night. I thought the cat was in the bag but I fucked it up. I was laughing my way back to be honest.

I thought I was the only getting horrible conversion rate on cold approach. 70 for 1 date, thats about 1.4 percent. When people said they have about 5-7% it always makes me work harder.

I dont think you come on too strong bro. Fortune favors the bold. For every chick you miss out by coming on too strong there s 10 more ready to fuck you in that restroom. Good hunting, dont slack off.

Dalaran how do you look- dress, etc?

(07-23-2014 09:04 AM)soup Wrote:  Dalaran how do you look- dress, etc?

I try to do my best. Usually fitted shirts with designer jeans. Sometimes I rock a blazer. On hot day I wear a fitted v neck t shirt. I get complimented the most on my perfume though...

On a good night this is how I typically dress.

Im short and Asian which make it a bit harder. For pure cold approach it does help to be a pretty boy.
My game isnt good enough to compensate, and I really need to work on getting more sexually charming. I do very well in creating a playful vibe, but escalation/calibration is my weakness.

You look well groomed form the pics. Maybe add something to stand out a little more or to get attention?

^^Dalaran did you ever look into getting those heel lift things we recommended a while back?

I noticed you're style tucking in your shirts, that's going to give off a FOB vibe. Get them tailored so you won't have to anymore.

(07-23-2014 01:17 AM)Cobra Wrote:  We went and got some drinks at a bar. I moved myself closer and immediately gave her the "I want to fuck you look," to which she smiled away. Kissed her many times, to which she resisted a total french kiss. I touched her almost every way I could including a slap on her nice round ass.

It's very good that you're already not afraid to get physical on dates, but judging from what the girl said in your car and what she pulled on you with the bathroom thing it seems like you went too far. I generally avoid kissing and heavy touching until I get them back to my place so they have "plausible deniability". Hell on the first date they probably think I just want to makeout in private... Instead of dropping the girl home, take her out of the 1st venue and when you're outside suggest a drink at your place as the 2nd (you can say you don't know other good places nearby or it's cheaper etc.), promising to drop her home after. Since I haven't escalated much yet this almost always work for me in getting them to mine.

Strong Work Cobra, remember it's a slow process and keep at it.

As you get better at Approaching, you will get more numbers, and then more numbers will convert into dates and then more dates will convert into bangs. That is your Fuck Funnel. Right now you are doing 100's of approaches in progression you willl have 100's of numbers and dates and so on.

Right now you are removing your weaknesses to Approach , 2nd step would be convert numbers to dates and third dates to bangs. Not that you can not work on all three at the same time but more experiences you have at each stage the better you will be at it.

I still have trouble at end game, reason is that I approach a ton and have no trouble getting numbers and dates but I'm not in a room alone with a girl a lot and even if I am it's on a time crunch. The more experiences I have with girls on on one sexually escalating the better I will become in the end zone.

I second what Deluge said, You might have went overboard with the physical escalation and might have appeared needy/thirsty. Next time try holding off till you get to an Isolation Spot.

"I get complimented the most on my perfume though"

Guys wear cologne, girls wear perfume.

2 things:

1. If you look up that website on the first pic it's easy to find your unblocked face, might want to take that down.

2. It could just be that photo in particular, but your posture is feminine and subservient to the chick's neck you have your hand on.

-Stand up tall, let the chicks lean into you, even if you have to lean back slightly. Even if you're short, doesn't matter chicks will conform to the most dominant presence in the picture.

-Avoid excessive displays with your arms and hands, that's a chick thing.

-Be relaxed with your hands on their lower waist, basically on the top of their ass.

Note in these photos below of me, the girls are either putting their hands on my shoulder/around my neck, or I'm draping my arm around their neck as a sign of natural ownership, or their waist with one hand cradling their stomach, also a sign of ownership. Note in the photo of myself, the jet and the chicks, that they are all leaning into me. Even their knees are bent TOWARDS me, which is a sign of attraction and shows my energy is pulling THEM into me, instead of me leaning into THEM.

This is important stuff to work on because your body language is powerful for giving off a sexual vibe when meeting girls and escalating.

Can't stress how much jewelry can enhance your vibe.

The moment I started wearing it, there was a shift in girls attitude.

When you've got a rugged goat leather bracelet, another bracelet made of snake skin, a hawk talon necklace, and a skull necklace on...any type of 'boyfriend material' view is out the window. Sexualized immediately.

I'm stocking up on the jewelry down in Mexico, its badass, inexpensive and very high quality.

Agreed, i got some pendants and manly rings, really puts you in a different category. Just don't overdo it, not everyone can be Mr. T.

Unrelated, everytime i interact with a toronto girl, ifeel for the toronto guys. They accept a direct approach to craft their disapproval. I then push hard and blow the set at that point because of their lame attitudes. Seriously feminism is toxic out of there.

Yep, I feel the same way about girls I meet from DC. Horrendous.

And DC was just voted one of the 'happiest' cities in the US...

So I got a text from a girl "mistakingly" texting me about giving back a bikini to her friend who happens to have my name. I basically say who is this blah blah she's all nevermind, told her to stop with the attitude and that i know 4 girls with the same name. Tell her she has got alot of making up to do since she flaked.

We got a date set up last night she walks in....it's a different girl !! They just both had the same name.

I panicked for a second then played it cool. The chick I was expecting a short curly hair italian/mexican lookin girl with green eyes who flaked on me weeks ago. Turn out its this tanned smooth black haired short mexican girl that flaked on me months ago.

We grab a drink, chat, she's leaning towards me, playing with her hair, laughing alot, her hands are twiddling. I touch her arms ask what her tats are about, poke her in the side for laughing at me. She drops a strong IOI saying she never goes on dates she's not one of those girls that needs a free drink or dinner.

I say with a smirk "oh wow should I be so honored" she laughed and said "of course"

Walked out of the bar to her car, gave her a huge (totally froze up) then she says thanks for making me wait until next time to hear blah blah story. I was like huh what story remind me, blah blah blah, and I said alright next time I'll tell her, went straight in for the makeout.

TL;DR confused flaky girls with same name> she pulls a restart text> wrong girl comes on a date> turn it into a makeout and possible 2nd date

(07-23-2014 12:28 PM)Goldmund Wrote:  Can't stress how much jewelry can enhance your vibe.

The moment I started wearing it, there was a shift in girls attitude.

When you've got a rugged goat leather bracelet, another bracelet made of snake skin, a hawk talon necklace, and a skull necklace on...any type of 'boyfriend material' view is out the window. Sexualized immediately.

I'm stocking up on the jewelry down in Mexico, its badass, inexpensive and very high quality.

Nice. I got to get some more of this stuff.

Tonight, I'm meeting a chick at a bar at 9. She has an hour to hang since the last train home for her is 10:30. First date, I know she wants to fuck me.

So, I either have two options to get lucky tonight,
1: Get one quick drink, escalate, move her to my car. Or
2: Drive her home an hour away. Then take the 1 hour ride back to my house.

Which would you do in my situation? Obviously, driving here home will give us more privacy and less of a risk since we are meeting in a city. But, I'm all about getting some action then getting out as soon as possible.

EDIT: The car bang may be very difficult considering we're in a pretty busy part of a big city. I'll scout out logistics beforehand in terms of securing vehicular fornication.