(10-17-2013 11:47 AM)kickboxer Wrote:  She said haha aee you joking? Lol

What should I say!

The fact that she didn't scoff at the mention of your balls means that you have successfully began to sexualize the conversation.

I'd try to push a little further into this area.

There might be a way to parlay this.. keep it funny. Don't answer her question- she's trying to get you to jump through hoops

Get mock offended and don't answer- say something like:

"what- I thought you'd like that- you don't like shaved balls?" get her talking about sex stuff in a fun way.

She'll say something like "lol what!!"

Then send her a picture of cantaloupe or something that looks like shaved balls. The point is to get her out of the serious mode and back into fun mode. Ignore her "serious" mode and play with her because she's a little toy anyway.

So my sticking point of late... getting out with a girl a second time. I can get dates, pretty consistently (lately I think I'm 5 for 5 on numbers => dates in the past month since my break-up). Very much sniper game; I flirt with every girl and pursue only few. I either get boyfriend lines or a date. I can go on a date, get makeouts, sometimes the notch, most of that, but the number of girls I actually see again more than once is pretty low. I think what, like 4 or 5 in all? So my odds are like 1 in 6 girls I go out with, I actually see again.

What's the type of tone to set after a first date type thing? I've tried several things; just hitting her up the next day, waiting a couple days, referencing funny shit from the date, being wholly logistical and just trying to set up something new. Trying to tailor it to the girl but I'm for sure failing. Think the only thing I haven't tried is just letting it sit for a full week before hitting her up. That thing feels weird, especially when I'm going approach => date in under 3 days generally.

Its not what youre doing after the date thats the problem. Its what youre doing on the date.
Youre fucking it up somehow. If you describe how you handled these dates maybe we can identify the problem.
If you handle a date well the girl should be texting you not too long after she left you

Often times I get a text from her immediately afterwards.

Generally a date goes like this - meet up for coffee, something simple. I've generally spoke to her for <5 mins at the time. Chat for a bit, typically teasing her about whatever she's doing, and then after 45mins/hour I say "hey, you know how to play pool"? Whatever the response is, I'll tell her there's a place down the road where we can go chill and do something more interesting than sit here. Head to the local bar, we play pool/shuffleboard/whatever, and I start building physical contact and tease her on how she does. After 3 games or so I'll tell her "Hey, let's step outside for a moment." Girl follows, I tell her let's take a walk, and we'll walk around for a bit, I'll stop her and pull her in for a kiss in some manner.

From then on I'm just generally pushing physically and we start hooking up in the parking lot, then to the car. After a while I'll tell her it's been a good time, and typically let her be the one to say we'll talk soon/see each other soon. Every girl has said that, one or the other, actually. On one girl I said I'll get in touch soon.

That's been my exact routine for the last 4 girls. No repeats. 2 of them texted me shortly after - trying to set up plans a few days later flopped. Every girl has been 18, two in high school, two in their first semester of college.

I'd be glad to clarify any part of it.

Your sexualizing in public areas. This is not normally good to do on a first date unless the girl is dripping for you.

I would normally say to cut out the coffee. But it might be working for you. What time are you starting these dates at?

Your doing a good job bouncing them around to different spots and leading them.

Pluto how old are you? Im guessing around 18?

Just turned 22. Setting up my business so I'm still with parents. Not a lot of money, but enough at least that I'm not so concerned about an appetizer and a drink. Nearest legitimate college town is about 30-45 mins; most of the girls here that are in the league I want to play are either in high school or the local community college.

I generally start at around 7, bounce to a bar at 8pm - since the girls can't get in later, there's no drinks really involved. I would cut the coffee but it's significantly lowered my flake rate and I can then change venues to something more appealing. When I've tried to jump straight to drinks/anything in a bar, I get immediate resistance, which I imagine is factored from the short interaction time prior to going out. For some girls that I've had longer interactions with I've gone straight to a bar meetup, however.

I feel like the game would change if I had my own place; I'd be able to bounce back to my place before sexualizing the interaction, but there's no option to do that at my parent's place, and the girls don't typically have their own place and it's hit or miss to get a bounce back to her place after 2 hours or so. Then I could get it going well.

I thought about the whole sexualization thing; and I've definitely pushed them far. I was thinking to drop it back. Kiss them, keep it short, play the push/pull and tell them I like to keep it slow so I'll see them another time. I can get far, but I'd like to build a rotation, at least one steady girl.

All day game, too. I don't do night game at all. Typically I meet them say, at work (I work at Starbucks) and close them there, or I meet them out at other coffee shops/etc and close them after 10-15 minutes of conversation, depending on the context.

Sif'd, my neighbor saw her too hahaha

Pluto,

You already identified a couple of weaknesses.

1. Logistics - I preach logistics because I have seen what solid logistics will do. You need to improve your logistics to get that rotation up and running. You need your own place, preferably a 1BR without a roomate, within walking distance to a couple bars. The closer the better, I have 3 or 4 bars within one block of me and it has payed off.

2. Coming on too strong - Theres a time and place for sexual escalation. You should be touching them throughout the date but not going for the kiss in public. Ideally, you would want to bounce them to your place before you kiss them but I understand what your saying about your logistics. In your case, I would change my strategy and game accordingly to make a bang on day 2 happen. You should be building comfort while bringing up three "big bait" topics about you. The bigger the better. Lightly tease and make jokes throughout the conversation, thats where the attraction is built. Keep leading them on walks, go for a few small kisses but don't try to mouth rape her. You then end the date (always leave them wanting more). So you walk her to her car, quick kiss, tell her youll hit her up in a day or two and you guys can check out those videos, music collection, guitar, etc that you had previously brought up. Give her a quick slap on the ass as she gets in the car, tell her to drive safe and to shoot you a text letting you know she got home safe.

Then you set up day 2 ideally at your place but you can try to work hers because you live with your parents (fix that shit). Have you read tuth's first day bang recipe? Essentially follow that and stop the first date where you would normally be bouncing the chick to your place. On date 2 pick back up where you left off.

Youve also good some good strengths:

1. Date venues - I realize now you using the coffee shop as the initial meet because the girls are under 21. Bouncing them to a bar later and then on a walk. Thats pretty solid game in regards to leading the date.

2. Day game - I'm not a fan of night game either. If your having 10-15 minute long conversations, getting the digits, and getting these girls on dates, your day game is pretty solid too.

So work on your actual date game (don't come off to hard, build more comfort, plan for the day 2 bang), fix those logistics, and you should have your rotation built in no time.

Great Summary AntiTrace, You nailed it. I also like the the fact that Plutoman is using coffee as an Icebreaker and bouncing to a venue with Alcohol if thigs progress.

Keep it up Plutoman.

(10-16-2013 12:00 PM)kickboxer Wrote:  

(10-16-2013 11:17 AM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  Kickboxer's opener is "Hey (name) what's up?"

Man, I need to get my game on that level. He's a possy magnet.

I also use tl;dr. Her headline said that anyone who wants to message her must read her profile before doing so.

I got the number but haven't called yet. I should probably do that soon.



If you guys want more openers you gots ta pay me

I tried "what's up (name)?" twice, got blocked both times.

(10-18-2013 07:02 AM)AntiTrace Wrote:  -snip-

Great advice. Much appreciated. Logistics - all my money is getting set aside for my business that I'm building. If all goes well, in the near future, I'll have funds available... otherwise, for my own sanity, I may bite the bullet and get my own place. Getting my first project ready to publish; 3-5 months out at the moment. Software development, as a side note. That may or may not be one of those sacrifices I have to deal with to worry about my future. I've got an offer of $400 for a room, at an actual house, just one other guy. Nice house, big step over an apartment.. 400 a month may be worth it. He's semi-red pill already, so there'd be nothing to concern myself there.

I really like the whole telling them to text me so I know they got home safe... perfect route to get them to continue a conversation every time. Definitely going to remember that one.

On that note, the girl I took out Tuesday is getting back to me, and I did take things much slower with her. Point in case right there.

Thanks guys - again, much appreciated. I hate the feeling knowing how close I am to getting it down but not actually knowing where to fix it. Glad you pointed out the over-sexualization; I wasn't sure at all on that one so it's good to know that for the future.

I had a pretty straightforward week. Didn't get any approaches in since I'm still working the girls I've opened who followed up with me. This was more of a maintenance week for me in that I had to work through the before the interest burns out or shifts to a guy who's getting it done.

The only noteworthy day was Tuesday. OKC hangout with a 21-year-old stoner. Sadly I don't smoke so I sat outside with her while she smoked twice, then we had some playful touching in my living room. She started throwing big, obvious financial neediness statements out there "oh man, it'd be great if you could buy my weed for me..." and "you know, friends-with-benefits requires benefits for both of us...". Yeah, I don't P2P so I took her home.

My regular Thursday is having car and house issues right now so she didn't want to hang out, so I got a POF date to schedule for that night. The replacement Thursday date had to bail due to school, but rescheduled for this upcoming Tuesday, which fits nicely with my week. I still have my 25-year-old, thin, C-cupped, pasty white girl who is happy spending time with me because it means she isn't spending time in her craptacular life. I put her on the back burner this week because I was trying to work my new leads, but she'll probably end up in my bed before the weekend's over.

If your thinking about taking that room for $400, make sure you establish if your expected to pay for a cut of the utilities. That could easily add another 150-200 bucks when accounting for internet/tv/electricity/water/etc. Possibly even more if you live in a cold climate for the winter.

And whenever you hit a snag with your game don't be afraid to post it up here. I've been too proud to ask for advice before, and it has caused me to learn a lot of these lessons first hand through lots of trail and error. It has probably cost me a lot of notches over the years as well.

Quote: "oh man, it'd be great if you could buy my weed for me..."

"Itd be great if you could make me a sammich, breads in the cupboard and cold cuts are in the fridge"

Quote:"you know, friends-with-benefits requires benefits for both of us..."

"yeah hun, its called mutual orgasms and the pull out method'

I love stoner chicks.

(10-18-2013 11:57 AM)AntiTrace Wrote:  

Quote: "oh man, it'd be great if you could buy my weed for me..."

"Itd be great if you could make me a sammich, breads in the cupboard and cold cuts are in the fridge"

Quote:"you know, friends-with-benefits requires benefits for both of us..."

"yeah hun, its called mutual orgasms and the pull out method'

I love stoner chicks.

The chick above was pretty hyper-focused on money. It was bad enough to bail on a chick who was already in my place, already enjoying heavy kino and who was mostly drunk from a friend who bought her liquor earlier in the day. It was practically a lay-up except she was firm on the whole P2P concept (primarily drugs-for-play). I looked at it as cutting my losses--before I even got her in my car I was texting other women and following up with messages on OKC, POF and MeetMe to see if I could line up another hangout, but no dice.

I'd love to love me some stoner chicks too, but sadly I'm not a stoner and they seem to keep to themselves unless you're supplying. I've been toying with the idea of asking if "supplying" is equivalent to P2P. I'm sure it's been discussed before but I've read a few posts in the players log where a guy says (heavily paraphrased) "Yeah man, played tight game, got her back to my place, weed bag opened and it was done". Well no shit, you smoked her up and paid for it, LOL. Weed (and most illegal substances) seem to be a P2P grey area. I've never taken an illegal drug, ever, but I have no shortage of suppliers who'd love for me to take up something addictive to lighten my wallet. I could pretty easily buy my way into that pussy, but that's all it would be and that isn't for me, especially when I have a (small) stable that won't charge me a dime.

But by following that logic, having a girl over for drinks is P2P too.

Which I somewhat agree with. Most of us are paying in some way.

You have to find the right balance of time, energy and money you want to put in to get some.

Money isn't the only way you pay.

(10-18-2013 02:04 PM)FourToTheFloor Wrote:  But by following that logic, having a girl over for drinks is P2P too.

Which I somewhat agree with. Most of us are paying in some way.

You have to find the right balance of time, energy and money you want to put in to get some.

Money isn't the only way you pay.

When a girl only sees you as an ATM machine with a dick, you're probably talking to the wrong girl. Go for the ones you don't have to do that for, there are plenty. Actually, I've used this response on girls asking me to buy them drinks or whatever other nonsense happens in clubs/bars at times:

"What do I look like, an ATM machine?" followed by a backturn.

Damn, sometimes you just can't win.

When I met up with my old FB she mentioned how one of her friends was getting bored with her millionare boyfriend who showers her with his wealth. A few days later this chick texts me outta the blue seeing whats up. Yesterday she says shes coming to town and wants to drink. I take this as an obvious "im looking for dick, and you're the supplier" situation.

We've been 'friends' for a few years now, I tried to fuck her once, but got rejected. Her excuse was that she was bangin my friend. She broke up with that guy and I started bangin her friend (the old FB). We get to the spot and they bust out mountains of booze. Shots all over the place. I'm running (what I think is) good asshole game. I tell them lets play never have I ever, they decline because they'd have alcohol poisoning by the end.

Her friend keeps bringing up going to the bar to dance, they just took a class for twerking that day. They drank all my booze (I drank theirs, but it was all offered shots, chick just took it).

The couple and the gay dude want to hit the bar so I'm fucked in trying to get them drunk and bang on the couch. W

We get to the bar and I think they've banged half the dudes there. They've got great girl game and bad daddy issues. They either fuck dirtbag musicians or neck tatted roid monkeys. This girls friend is boning a NHL player, thats like top alpha here in canada.

Anyways there aren't many girls at the bar and I'm set on fucking one of the two. I hit th ebathroom and when I come back one of their old fbs has left so I grab them both and take them to the dancefloor. I take them up on the stage thing and start dancing. Some greasy rap song comes on and I tell them to twerk all over my dick, they do. Some dude pats me on the back and gives me a thumbs up.

20 minutes later the first chick is trying to go to her ex boyfriends house party. Some guy drives us, I have all of 2 minutes alone with the hockey player bangin chick before we have to go.

All in all I think it was a pretty successful night since Ive been a shut-in for the past few months. The chick came to town looking for dick. My logistics were terrible, couldn't keep up with her dick-ADD and despite being a lovable asshole I couldn't bust out of the "friend" box she'd put me in.

The number 1 thing I lacked is momentum. I made a rule where if you talk about an ex you drink. I mentioned her friend who I used to fuck and she told me to drink. She loved it when I told her that we were never 'technically' a couple. She loved it when I grabbed her and her friend and made them grind on me for every one to see. I had a few good moments, but they were short lived.

This should be in the drunk lounge though since I'm still fuckin hammered.

I like when new girls text me with such excitement. The never ending ! 's and ' s puts a big smile on my face. This one girl just responded with yes sir! When I told her to keep me in mind, it gave me a semi

Did a fresh direct this morning- Latina comes over to my house after working graveyard shift, brings weed and pussy.

(10-18-2013 07:02 AM)AntiTrace Wrote:  2. Coming on too strong - Theres a time and place for sexual escalation.

So work on your actual date game (don't come off to hard, build more comfort, plan for the day 2 bang), fix those logistics, and you should have your rotation built in no time.

I respectfully disagree. You are 100% spot on regarding his logistics, but this guy is 22 and these girls are 18....all they want is weed, booze, and dick, not to go on romantic dates with a nice guy.

18-22 year old girls are horny as shit, and are the most down to fuck age group in my opinion. So taking them on dates is way overkill.

Plutoman, I can pretty much guarantee that after you take these girls out, they are going over to their 32-year-old fuck buddies condo and getting plowed while you're over there like a chump texting them to "hang out again." She'll think about it, sure, but after she takes a load in the mouth from the player that doesn't even know what color her eyes are.

If anything, you're under sexualizing. Take these girls to a private place (yours, hers, or somewhere else quiet like the back of a movie theatre or a park or something), give her some booze or weed, and get to work. She already thinks you're hot simply because you're older, because all her friends are dating guys their own age, so the deck is stacked in your favor as you offer an element of mystery and danger that she can't otherwise get.

I'm not trying to be an asshole here to either Pluto or AntiTrace, just giving a different perspective on the situation. Pluto you should be able to bang these girls within 2-4 hours.

Fuck man, you're 22 and starting a business. That's big league, you're going places in this life. You don't have time for second dates or waiting around for girls to text you back. If she doesn't want to bang right away then she's wasting your time.

Interesting perspective - yeah, I'm going to be honest, the number one thing I've learned is I seriously don't give a shit about any individual girl coming around. There's more around every corner. I've had my hangups but really.. there's no point in worrying about it. My value's skyrocketed as I've changed my core attitude and it's only going up from here.

I want to give his approach a try, however, as my rotation has not been coming around at all. Sometimes, I get the impression that I'm a prize to be caught... and there's no more appeal after they've caught the prize. Other times I get the feeling that I'm too far disconnected from their world. I don't smoke at all; don't drink much either. On occasion, but anytime I drink it kills my next day and I've got way too much shit going on for me to lose a day of time.

Man, it's always hard to say. Wish I could record them all and show from start to finish. Gotta fix up my logistics seriously though. My last girlfriend was 30, logistics were way easier with her.

Costume party tonight on such short notice, the only thing I've got to wear is a security shirt, a viking hat, and some knockoff wayfarers hahaha.

Won my volleyball championship Sunday so I hung out with the team. I ended up talking to one of the girls on the team who was trying to get me to talk to her roommate.

I get the number and send a hello text Monday. Friday afternoon I send her text to meet up Saturday at Spin. She just got back to me 10 minutes ago stating that she's never been to Spin. I think I'm going to next her.

On the flip side, the logistics of my new place are awesome. Nothing over a 10 minute walk to tons of bars and restaurants. And worst case scenario I'm a $10 cab ride from the downtown area.

Make out on dance floor.

Shout out to Houston for telling me to try to sneak in the party.

I realize that a lot of players aren't content with one woman because we are constantly seeking something.

I don't know if it can be easily dismissed as us just seeking out novelty.

My sense is that we are looking for something greater, something more true than a false LTR.