Post: #51

Can't say I have any experience of Phenibut, however I've tried the majority of the other drugs listed. Personally, my game is hampered by weed (I can't articulate myself), stays about the same on molly (just end up going for it on the dance floor haha), gets better after a few drinks (more confident, less inhibited, the usual), and although this may sound very odd my game is the best it gets on low/threshold doses of LSD.

I'm deadly serious, and I'd recommend anyone who can get hold of any to try it. Depending on the quality of the tabs you're getting, a low/threshold dose might be anywhere from 1/3 to a full tab...enough for you to notice it and get some mild visuals if you strain but low enough that it doesn't completely deck you.

Primarily, what I feel low dose LSD does is bring about mild euphoria, decreased social anxiety and increased cognition/coherency- there has been some research into this. I think the best way to describe it at these doses would be a feeling of lucidity: you're quick off the mark with regard your conversational skills.

Post: #52

For all of you drinkers getting on his case. What's the difference between using something like this and alcohol? Alcohol is as much of a drug as anything else. In fact it kills more people every year than any other drug.

http://www.dailytech.com/Study+Alcohol+i...e20038.htm

Post: #53

(04-16-2013 09:29 AM)klosck Wrote:  For quite some time, I had been looking for some kind of alternative to alcohol. I was fed up with it ruining the next day with a hangover. I was also fed up with messing up any gains I made in the gym ....

Same here. Hangover nowadays simply don't compare to the hangovers when I was 20 years old.

Also a weekend of drinking has an immediate effect to the pump in my muscles. On Monday I can tell that my arms look significantly smaller than on Friday, and this is not because of the two days off from exercising.

Last but not least it conflicts with my attempt at living healthy. Alcohol overacidifies the body, resulting in faster aging etc.

(04-16-2013 09:29 AM)klosck Wrote:  But mostly, I was fed up with alcohol fucking my game up. All too often, I would start a night out strong only to get blown out after getting drunk and losing my wits. I had always wondered what it would be like to lose all inhibitions (like alcohol does), but still maintain a sharp mind (like alcohol doesn’t). Phenibut seemed to be very interesting indeed.

I learned to control my level. I did that exactly for the reasons described above. While some alcohol in your system will help your game, too much will have the opposite effect.
It's not exactly easy, especially if you're out with buddies and they want to get hammered. It might annoy them when you try to stay somewhat sober. But I got even some friends to the point where they try to do the same.

(04-17-2013 04:16 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  If you rely on drugs to get girls you're only making yourself a weaker person. Why do you think you need a substance to get girls?

At the end of the day, drugs/booze is only for letting the girl chill out, if you need it to fix your own anxiety issues you should work on yourself more until you know you don't need them. After that you will have infinitely better control of your alcohol/drug use.

This applies to all substances. You're trapped in your own negative belief that you need "something" to help. That's simply not true.

This is correct, but why not make use of the tools at hand? Are you always sober at night when in a club?

If so, more power to you. I'm trying to get there as well, but looking at it objective, my game will always be better with 2-3 drinks in my system. I'm just way quicker at repartee.

Last but not least, let me quote Paracelsus:

Quote:Poison is in everything, and no thing is without poison. The dosage makes it either a poison or a remedy.

Post: #54

mixing booze with phenibut

http://www.mindandmuscle.net/forum/24163...s-phenibut


http://www.mindandmuscle.net/forum/26080...ut-alcohol

http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showt...anxiety!!!

http://www.chemicalforums.com/index.php?topic=34878.0

Post: #55

Summary of last night: +1, not super proud of it but eh. I'm not sure whether it was the Phenibut or just a conflation of events. I did notice that I was pretty much hellbent on talking about sex, and I think that might be good date advice in general; alcohol + relentless sex talk.

Post: #56

In conclusion: five stars.

Post: #57

Im going to try some b4 my nanny state country makes it illegal. I have tried pretty much every other illegal and legal drug there is; I would be very surprised if Phenibut has a huge effect beyond the placebo. If it were so good why would benzos be so popular? Anyway we will see, I get some in a few days will let you guys know.

Post: #58

(04-19-2013 12:40 PM)dotbiz Wrote:  I learned to control my level. I did that exactly for the reasons described above. While some alcohol in your system will help your game, too much will have the opposite effect.

Yes, when you use alcohol to "get loose" there is a very fine line between cool, dis-inhibited guy and drunk, idiotic guy. It can take a lot of discipline to stay within the sweet zone. However one problem is that the line is always variable depending on many factors: how much you've slept, what you've had to eat, your mood, what you are drinking, how fast you are drinking, etc etc etc. It also doesn't help that you get less disciplined the more you drink.and if there beer is really good.. .but it can be done.

With regard to athletic performance, I sometimes wonder how much more jacked I could be if I didn't drink at all. In the book "A Fighter's Heart" , Sam Sheridan wrote that while training as a Muay Thai fighter, he took a night off training to have a few beers and it set him back 2-weeks...Now most of us won't be set back THAT much, as we aren't training to be elite athletes. But on some Mondays, after a weekend bender, I swear it feels like I'm right back where I had started the previous week (cardio-wise).

Post: #59

(04-19-2013 04:34 PM)aphelion Wrote:  In conclusion: five stars.

I'm glad you liked it, but from your posts it looks like you're taking it consecutive days in a row..and with alcohol? Be careful....

Post: #60

Haha this guys withdrawals are gonna be nuts. Hes gonna have a panic attack opening a jar of peanut butter.

Post: #61

Never took it two days consecutively, and I'm going to let it chill probably until Friday. (Might try theanine or something instead in the interim.)

The alcohol feels a little overstated, although I just blew a .035 (I own a breathalyzer) and am pretty zoned out and beat as though I was actually 4x as drunk as I actually am. Then again, it's 5:30AM so some of that might just be fatigue.

Ended up in bed again with another girl tonight. Again, sort of on accident. Didn't +1 her but goddamn close. I think it reduces your inhibitions about fucking mediocre girls - this girl was a friend of mine who is a legitimately cool person but I'd already indicated my disinterest in a girl of her slightly fat size. She's not super fat and has a figure but is bigger than I like. I turned her down last time because I didn't want to fuck her and then have her be disappointed that I didn't want commitment. Tonight I just felt like fucking. Probably the phenibut, since that was the same thing that happened with me the other night.

I've been talking to a different girl who is intrigued by phenibut and I think I'm going to share it with her on Friday. Hopefully it reduces fuck standards like I think it does and then I end up destroying her vagina.

AND FUCK YOU GUERRILLA HOW DID YOU KNOW THAT I JUST OPENED A JAR OF PEANUT BUTTER

Post: #62

no seriously I did, that was weird

Post: #63

Yeah phenibut eliminates your inhibitions with fatties.

Post: #64

Ive never had a good experience introducing someone to something they haven't already heard of or are familiar with.

Phenibuts downside is is half life is too long. Its a crappy version of GH b which in and of itself is crap.

Post: #65

(04-21-2013 12:33 PM)guerrilla Wrote:  Ive never had a good experience introducing someone to something they haven't already heard of or are familiar with.

Phenibuts downside is is half life is too long. Its a crappy version of GH b which in and of itself is crap.

What does it mean its half-life is too long? I'm not familiar with these terms, and what the practical effect would be. Also, what are the health consequences?

Post: #66

I sell a supplement with this as a main ingredient and I can tell you, people get VERY hooked on this stuff.

Also can seriously fuck up your motor functions if you mix it with too much alcohol. Jello legs, zero balance, slurred speech, the works.

I've seen it myself and had to escort my buddy out of the bar we were at and get him a cab home.

You can go from razor sharp to shit show very fast.

As with anything, YMMV, but I'd avoid taking this with alcohol without a test run at your own house.

Post: #67

(04-21-2013 12:33 PM)guerrilla Wrote:  Ive never had a good experience introducing someone to something they haven't already heard of or are familiar with.

Phenibuts downside is is half life is too long. Its a crappy version of GH b which in and of itself is crap.

So what is good then?

Post: #68

(04-22-2013 03:20 AM)Alpha Mind Wrote:  I sell a supplement with this as a main ingredient and I can tell you, people get VERY hooked on this stuff.

Also can seriously fuck up your motor functions if you mix it with too much alcohol. Jello legs, zero balance, slurred speech, the works.

I've seen it myself and had to escort my buddy out of the bar we were at and get him a cab home.

You can go from razor sharp to shit show very fast.

As with anything, YMMV, but I'd avoid taking this with alcohol without a test run at your own house.

What do you combine your supplement with, what is its intended purpose, and how does it compare to taking pure Phenibut?

I've decided I won't drink more than a couple beers while on it. As I mentioned previously, Phenibut's effect stayed with me well into the next day, and after drinking only a few beers, I was pretty drunk. And not in a good way. Speech was more difficult, and I just felt clumsy. Other people report that while drinking, they maintain their wits but I think it just depends on the person. For me, I could see myself blacking out quite easily if I were to drink too much.

Post: #69

(04-22-2013 04:34 AM)klosck Wrote:  

(04-21-2013 12:33 PM)guerrilla Wrote:  Ive never had a good experience introducing someone to something they haven't already heard of or are familiar with.

Phenibuts downside is is half life is too long. Its a crappy version of GH b which in and of itself is crap.

So what is good then?

hahahaha, that is a very good question

everything is good, but at the same time nothing is good.

Post: #70

(04-22-2013 04:45 AM)klosck Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 03:20 AM)Alpha Mind Wrote:  I sell a supplement with this as a main ingredient and I can tell you, people get VERY hooked on this stuff.

Also can seriously fuck up your motor functions if you mix it with too much alcohol. Jello legs, zero balance, slurred speech, the works.

I've seen it myself and had to escort my buddy out of the bar we were at and get him a cab home.

You can go from razor sharp to shit show very fast.

As with anything, YMMV, but I'd avoid taking this with alcohol without a test run at your own house.

What do you combine your supplement with, what is its intended purpose, and how does it compare to taking pure Phenibut?

I've decided I won't drink more than a couple beers while on it. As I mentioned previously, Phenibut's effect stayed with me well into the next day, and after drinking only a few beers, I was pretty drunk. And not in a good way. Speech was more difficult, and I just felt clumsy. Other people report that while drinking, they maintain their wits but I think it just depends on the person. For me, I could see myself blacking out quite easily if I were to drink too much.

yeah the GABAgenics affect different people way differently, more so than other classes ive drugs i've found. I love em personally...way too much so I avoid

Post: #71

Thanks for the review man. Sounds like a weak version of taking a X pill. It's in powder form right? What do you mix it with?

(04-18-2013 10:16 AM)NoBalls Wrote:  Phenibut is considered to be one of the more dangerous of the legal nootropics. If you choose to use it, it should be used just occasionally or at least cycled.

There are several postings about phenibut on the various nootropics forums. Don't take this one on a whim. Be aware of the benefits/dangers so you can make an educated decision about using it.

Dangerous in what ways? Some would consider weed dangerous

Post: #72

(04-23-2013 08:15 AM)houston Wrote:  Thanks for the review man. Sounds like a weak version of taking a X pill. It's in powder form right? What do you mix it with?

It comes both as a pill and powder. I have both kinds, pill and powder. Its water soluble so for the powder you'd just stir it i some water. It tastes horrible though. The pills are more convenient to take doses on the go....

Quote:Dangerous in what ways? Some would consider weed dangerous

If you get hooked on it, then you can go through some bad withdrawals when you try to get off it...headaches, anxiety, shaking,etc. From all the information I've read, these are all temporary and will eventually clear up.

As long as you don't take it often, you will probably never get hooked..

Post: #73

Yeah I'm gonna hold off on another dose until Friday or so but I really loved the effect. I'll just have to try to be a little more discriminating about who I end up in bed with.

I'll try L-Theanine too as soon as I can get my hands on some.

Post: #74

(04-23-2013 09:29 AM)klosck Wrote:  

(04-23-2013 08:15 AM)houston Wrote:  Thanks for the review man. Sounds like a weak version of taking a X pill. It's in powder form right? What do you mix it with?

It comes both as a pill and powder. I have both kinds, pill and powder. Its water soluble so for the powder you'd just stir it i some water. It tastes horrible though. The pills are more convenient to take doses on the go....

Do you have an Amazon link for the best pill brand to go with?

Post: #75

(04-23-2013 08:15 AM)houston Wrote:  Do you have an Amazon link for the best pill brand to go with?

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004JZLRCW/ref=...XK2KYCN36A