Post: #26

Seems to me, and I'm really not as much of a wet blanket as my previous post might appear... but it seems to me that if this drug is that much of a help to your game the temptation to use it more frequently than is safe to avoid addiction will be too strong. Then what?

I only bring it up because I know if I were to try it and it were a game changer for me, such that it reduced approach anxiety to nil, I would use it every day, become addicted quickly, and fuck my life completely.

Whatever you do out there, be careful guys. That's all. Just take care of yourselves.

Post: #27

Phenibut 'trip' report:

I took a total of 1250mg throughout a 5-hour timespan. Inhibitions did not decrease, confidence did not increase during that time frame. However, I was REALLY jamming to one of my tunes in the car ride back home, and I was starting to get a big boost just then. So maybe my timing was off. Also, alcohol tolerance did seem to diminish a bit, thankfully. (My tolerance is sky-high right now due to recent binge drinking)

Will attempt a more structured and regimented approach (and higher dosage) and try again in a few days.

Post: #28

Say "no" to drugs.

Call me conservative, but I think drugs are an entirely different kind of game.

Post: #29

Never heard of this drug. But it looks like neurontin (gabapentin) and lyrica (pregabalin). And it has a funny name.

Post: #30

Just bought 100g off eBay bc of this post

Post: #31

(04-16-2013 07:12 PM)the_conductor Wrote:  I'm not one for quick chemical fixes, but sounds interesting.

Has anybody here heard of propranolol for the same purposes? It's a beta blocker (pun not intended), and I've heard of dudes taking it before performances and presentations to become confident and smooth.

Yeah, I've taken propranolol before, I really disliked it. It makes your mouth dry, can make you feel lightheaded etc

Post: #32

(04-17-2013 04:54 AM)soup Wrote:  Say "no" to drugs.

Call me conservative, but I think drugs are an entirely different kind of game.

Nah. I use drugs all the time to get pussy.

But this is different. Taking drugs just to be more social? I don't see the need for it. With enough practice you can get at peak social efficacy without any drugs.

I've taken Molly before, and it didn't make me anymore "social" than I normally was. It did however, keep me and my girl feeling good all night long.

I would only be interested in Phenibut if it could help me score bangs, but I can't imagine telling a girl, "Wanna go back to my place and take Phenibut?"

Also, the stuff takes 30-45 minutes to take effect. In order to use drugs to score bangs, you need fast acting substances that kick in after 10 minutes. 30 minutes is too long.

Post: #33

If you rely on drugs to get girls you're only making yourself a weaker person. Why do you think you need a substance to get girls?

At the end of the day, drugs/booze is only for letting the girl chill out, if you need it to fix your own anxiety issues you should work on yourself more until you know you don't need them. After that you will have infinitely better control of your alcohol/drug use.

This applies to all substances. You're trapped in your own negative belief that you need "something" to help. That's simply not true.

Post: #34

(04-17-2013 04:16 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  If you rely on drugs to get girls you're only making yourself a weaker person. Why do you think you need a substance to get girls?

At the end of the day, drugs/booze is only for letting the girl chill out, if you need it to fix your own anxiety issues you should work on yourself more until you know you don't need them. After that you will have infinitely better control of your alcohol/drug use.

This applies to all substances. You're trapped in your own negative belief that you need "something" to help. That's simply not true.

Guys, I respect the whole "game should be pure philosophy"..kinda like how I respect people who can go to bars and can have fun without drinking.

However as for the "makes you a weaker" person thing.., I'm not so sure.. I think if you develop a dependence on something... anything, then yes, it will make you a weak person. However if you safely and occasionally use something to boost your performance, I do not think it necessarily makes you weak. What if a person relies on Red Bull to get their energy up when they go out? Does that make them weaker? If you are a Mormon, you might say yes..but most people would probably say no.

For those of us who aren’t master PUA’s yet (myself included), it can be very beneficial to experience what its like to be a god for a day, rather than have a night full of blow outs… So if you take a drug that does turn you into a god for a night, you might number close several beautiful girl, set up dates and then game them the natural way. This is not entirely unlike athletes who use performance enhancing drugs.

So I realize that a drug like Phenibut might not be for everybody…however it can be quite useful for many.

Post: #35

Interesting break down on Phenibut, +1 from me, but are you guys serious? What are you budding players going to fall for from the next snake oil salesman who comes along, fuzzy hats?

Maybe I shouldn't be so judgmental, lest I come across as a hypocrite, I myself have a drinking problem that often results in the self C-block (most recently, last night) and I'm also the type of guy who'll try any drug twice, so who knows, maybe this stuff is the answer to all of my personal issues.

One question Klosck: do they ship it to the Philippines?

Post: #36

Yep that's fair, IMHO the goal should be to be confident in yourself without the drugs, then switch to using alcohol and other items to help if you are in a dry spell. This will prevent ever being dependent.

If you're straight up a virgin and over 20 years old, yeah use the booze and get it over with.

A sliding scale of sorts.

(04-18-2013 02:24 AM)klosck Wrote:  

(04-17-2013 04:16 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  If you rely on drugs to get girls you're only making yourself a weaker person. Why do you think you need a substance to get girls?

At the end of the day, drugs/booze is only for letting the girl chill out, if you need it to fix your own anxiety issues you should work on yourself more until you know you don't need them. After that you will have infinitely better control of your alcohol/drug use.

This applies to all substances. You're trapped in your own negative belief that you need "something" to help. That's simply not true.

Guys, I respect the whole "game should be pure philosophy"..kinda like how I respect people who can go to bars and can have fun without drinking.

However as for the "makes you a weaker" person thing.., I'm not so sure.. I think if you develop a dependence on something... anything, then yes, it will make you a weak person. However if you safely and occasionally use something to boost your performance, I do not think it necessarily makes you weak. What if a person relies on Red Bull to get their energy up when they go out? Does that make them weaker? If you are a Mormon, you might say yes..but most people would probably say no.

For those of us who aren’t master PUA’s yet (myself included), it can be very beneficial to experience what its like to be a god for a day, rather than have a night full of blow outs… So if you take a drug that does turn you into a god for a night, you might number close several beautiful girl, set up dates and then game them the natural way. This is not entirely unlike athletes who use performance enhancing drugs.

So I realize that a drug like Phenibut might not be for everybody…however it can be quite useful for many.

Post: #37

(04-17-2013 04:16 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  This applies to all substances. You're trapped in your own negative belief that you need "something" to help. That's simply not true.

I need money to get laid, to pay for my rent and gas money. I need to go to the gym to look good. I need plenty of "somethings" in order to get laid, and I have zero negative beliefs about it.

At the end of the day, there's only one motto that matters

"Whatever it takes"

Post: #38

Phenibut is considered to be one of the more dangerous of the legal nootropics. If you choose to use it, it should be used just occasionally or at least cycled.

There are several postings about phenibut on the various nootropics forums. Don't take this one on a whim. Be aware of the benefits/dangers so you can make an educated decision about using it.

Post: #39

We disagree here then.

I don't apply "whatever it takes" to my long-term health. Everything is fine in moderation, I also agree with being jacked and shaving off the tail 5 years of life.

But reliance on any substance that is going to hurt me long-term is a big no.

Use alcohol, drugs, etc in moderation. The scary part about the post that I'm pointing to is the incessant use every time of anything entering your body.

Be it alcohol, cocaine, phenebult etc. That's how addiction is born.


Key word again is reliance, if you're in a rut, drink + use what you need temporarily.

(04-18-2013 10:00 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(04-17-2013 04:16 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  This applies to all substances. You're trapped in your own negative belief that you need "something" to help. That's simply not true.

I need money to get laid, to pay for my rent and gas money. I need to go to the gym to look good. I need plenty of "somethings" in order to get laid, and I have zero negative beliefs about it.

At the end of the day, there's only one motto that matters

"Whatever it takes"

Post: #40

Can we, for just a minute, assume we're all responsible adults who understand the cost/benefit of whatever activity we partake in? There are plenty of functional drug users who don't ruin their lives or become weaker people as a result of what they choose to do.

I have a girlfriend, and we look for girls together now. This looks like a fun recreational thing to try on rare occasion, and getting 100g for 30 bucks will last me around a year. It's not going to become a substitute for good game; truthfully, I seriously doubt it will impact my game in any way. Phenibut looks like something fun to try on a Saturday off when I don't feel like going out or doing a damn thing that day besides hanging around with the girl.

Maybe I'll pull 1 extra threesome this year that I wouldn't have normally as a result of this. If it does, it'll be completely unintended. This is for personal use; I believe as long as no one uses it for anything other than occasional recreation (which I assume most of you are intelligent enough to do) then you'll be fine.

Post: #41

Giving it another go. Following instructions to a T. Had 1000mg with a Monster this morning, then ate 45 minutes later. Will probably supplement with an additional 500mg shortly.

I have a rager and I'm in front of my laptop at 'work' trying to prevent myself from sending strategically unsound messages to all the attractive women on my FB list. God help me if this stuff works as advertised.

Post: #42

You have social media anxiety?

Post: #43

(04-18-2013 02:20 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  You have social media anxiety?

It's a rarely diagnosed disorder... You get the shakes when you can't check your Facebook every 5 minutes.

Post: #44

(04-18-2013 04:36 AM)scotian Wrote:  Interesting break down on Phenibut, +1 from me, but are you guys serious? What are you budding players going to fall for from the next snake oil salesman who comes along, fuzzy hats?

Maybe I shouldn't be so judgmental, lest I come across as a hypocrite, I myself have a drinking problem that often results in the self C-block (most recently, last night) and I'm also the type of guy who'll try any drug twice, so who knows, maybe this stuff is the answer to all of my personal issues.

One question Klosck: do they ship it to the Philippines?

Thanks man...appreciate it. Well i dont know about the philippines but i know that a lot of phenibut is made in SEA so i think if you looked around you should be able to find it...

Post: #45

Phenibut is dangerous. As a gaba agonist, it will have long-term effects on your baseline anxiety. Your gaba receptors will downregulate in response to prolonged exposure to phenibut, which will make you even more anxious than normal while sober. If you have social anxiety problems, stay far away. Theanine is much better in this respect. It does not induce any downregulation.

Post: #46

(04-16-2013 02:20 PM)Bad Hussar Wrote:  How is Phenibut different from the GABA marketed s a HGH stimulant?

GABA taken orally does not cross the blood-brain barrier and has no psychoactive properties. Phenibut does.

Post: #47

(04-18-2013 05:38 PM)Theodet Wrote:  Phenibut is dangerous. As a gaba agonist, it will have long-term effects on your baseline anxiety. Your gaba receptors will downregulate in response to prolonged exposure to phenibut, which will make you even more anxious than normal while sober. If you have social anxiety problems, stay far away. Theanine is much better in this respect. It does not induce any downregulation.

really? is there a way to upregulate? I'm a little worried now

Post: #48

Upregulation happens after abstinence, just like alcohol. For normal peepz it's probably not that bad if you keep your usage in check. But if you have social anxiety problems it's better to avoid all gaba agonists (like phenibut, booze, ghb, etc), and to get yourself in a better headspace w/o drugs.

Post: #49

(04-18-2013 05:38 PM)Theodet Wrote:  Phenibut is dangerous. As a gaba agonist, it will have long-term effects on your baseline anxiety. Your gaba receptors will downregulate in response to prolonged exposure to phenibut, which will make you even more anxious than normal while sober. If you have social anxiety problems, stay far away. Theanine is much better in this respect. It does not induce any downregulation.

Prlonged exposure to phenibut is dangerous..but that would be abusing it..and i dont advocate that....From everything ive read I dont believe that occasional use will cause any long term effects... But i guess everyone is different. If you took phenibut and it causes anxiety issues then stop taking it. It shouldnt be hard to give up if you only occasionally take it. Again all the issues seem to occur with people who take it everyday..but thats just me looking around on the internet.

Theanine sounds interesting. I will look into it. Does it mix well with alcohol?

Post: #50

(04-18-2013 05:38 PM)Theodet Wrote:  Phenibut is dangerous. As a gaba agonist, it will have long-term effects on your baseline anxiety. Your gaba receptors will downregulate in response to prolonged exposure to phenibut, which will make you even more anxious than normal while sober. If you have social anxiety problems, stay far away. Theanine is much better in this respect. It does not induce any downregulation.

What are the effects of theanine in high dosages? I realize it's in tea, and I drink like 5 cups a day, but I don't feel like I'm on some kind of high.