It's certainly helping but not nearly so much a factor as urbanization in general and the resulting parade of endless options and new experiences to be had, and the force feeding of the New American Dream by the media, my opinion. Of course it's also fulfilling a niche or it wouldn't be so popular - just another way to boost egos and test/push the limits of hypergamy for women and notch counts for us. All the above are great for short term gratification, arguably less so for long term satisfaction. Such is human nature, not that I'm complaining. [/soapbox]

I think they were acting the way they do before Tinder came along. On Facebook, on Twitter, on Instagram. But I'm not blaming women for it. It's not their fault. The fault is on our shoulders. Men as a whole. When a regular girl can have hundreds, and thousands of followers on Twitter, just because she has a cute picture as her avatar, the thirst is real.

I mentioned a while back in this thread how little effort women put into their Tinder profiles. More than half are either completely blank, contain nothing but a few emojis, or some random quote that they feel describes their life. That's it. Their pictures mainly consist of selfies that took zero effort to capture. Nothing interesting or creative.

But they'll be getting tons of matches regardless, because men as a whole don't demand quality from our women. We just don't. There's multiple threads on here where people advocate banging whoever you can, as many of them as you can. We're fighting a losing battle.

If you as a man could have thirsty women throwing themselves at you for doing absolutely nothing, where is the incentive to develop a personality? Have interests/be interesting? Work on developing qualities like consideration, empathy, etc etc? You wouldn't. You would put up a cell phone selfie, sit back and let the matches roll in.

Now let's wait and see if she'll follow up..

(07-02-2014 04:14 PM)game_ethic Wrote:  Now let's wait and see if she'll follow up..

Dude, money. I'm guessing you saw that pic thread that was linked a few pages back.

"Cancel on tonight guy, I'm way more fun"

"if he's boring you, which he will" - classic

Throws all expectations on that guy. Bravo.

Hopefully he comes through and is boring and she hits you up !

Let us know what happens. Good stuff, G_E

^ Haha, I saw it on /r/theredpill too. When she said she has plans, I remembered that thread! I'm not too worried if she doesn't follow up though. I have a sure thing for tonight as well, although she's not as attractive as that one, but the sure thing is definitely DTF.

(07-02-2014 01:16 PM)Gorgiass Wrote:  Now it updates to the minute and they can see when you get their message, can't just read a message and let it simmer without them potentially knowing that you got it if they check your profile. Mildly annoying.

Frankly I think this is way better for men. Spin, hamster, spin.

Update: she's at the guy's house but they aren't doing anything because "he's a coworker who's been tryna get with me to chill with him forever"—yeah right, bitch. Anyways she's about to leave and we're gonna meet up somewhere in Manhattan. I'll keep you guys updated.

Good work. The fact that she didn't flake on messaging you is a sign of good game. Beware of this storm, bro.

Update: we went to a little restaurant, ordered food and had a good time. She's the first girl from Tinder that I can legitimately say that I had a good time with lol. Her mom called(she's only 19 and she's leaving Friday) so she had to leave. When the cab arrived, we made out and she grabbed my dick and said, "you're lucky I'm not going to be here tomorrow." at that point, I think everyone in front of the restaurant may have seen my boner.

How is that lucky though?

(07-03-2014 02:38 AM)nick_ Wrote:  How is that lucky though?

I think the girl meant "you're lucky I'm not gonna be here tomorrow because your dick would have fallen off." Something playfully sexual like that.

Tinder is where it's at man. I usually use this thread to vent about it but the fact remains, if you're a single man, you have to use this app.

I mentioned it somewhere but for me it's not even really about the sex. Although that's always good. But there are so many obstacles in the way of that. Logistics, flaking, loss of interest on her part or yours, her not looking the same as she did in her pics, no chemistry, etc...I use it to sharpen my flirting skills, and as a confidence booster for cold approaches, which is where we should all be trying to make the bulk of our connections.

Having girls that I find attractive match with me makes me feel confident that I can approach girls like her in real life. It's a good confidence builder if for nothing else.

(07-02-2014 10:28 PM)game_ethic Wrote:  Her mom called(she's only 19 and she's leaving Friday) so she had to leave.

Just had to ask, you sure that wasn't some excuse lol ? Then again she grabbed your shit !

Good stuff man, you maintained your frame, all the expectations were on her "coworker" she bailed met up with you. Hopefully you get the bang when she gets back.

Yeah tinder is amazing man, I have a few regulars because of tinder, and they come to me !

I've noticed a lot of bishes are visiting Dallas to work for the summer...

Damn this thread is massive. I'm sure there is a lot of gold within though, I'll be taking a look.

I'm going to experiment with tinder. Is there a quick guideline cheat sheet about what not to do? Similar to for pof for instance not talking about how your feelings and what you look for in your profile, or including poor pictures of yourself.

Unless you're unbelievably attractive, don't rely on "high risk, high reward" openers. Go with something more standard, like "What's up?" or send a funny line based on something she has in her bio. Lately I've been using emojis(it's in the pic above) with a man and woman holding hands and two cups of beer with a calendar. It's concise, funny, and straight-forward. Be creative.

Everything else, really, is just normal text game: keeping texts short and to the point, setting up meets, restart texts if she flakes, etc.

(07-03-2014 12:53 PM)Nascimento Wrote:  Damn this thread is massive. I'm sure there is a lot of gold within though, I'll be taking a look.

I'm going to experiment with tinder. Is there a quick guideline cheat sheet about what not to do? Similar to for pof for instance not talking about how your feelings and what you look for in your profile, or including poor pictures of yourself.

All of the stuff you're looking for will be in the most recent 30 pages of this thread. There's a ton of great info w/ pictures and lots of accurate descriptions of what works/what doesn't work. It's a fun read; you'll breeze right through it!

(07-03-2014 12:53 PM)Nascimento Wrote:  Damn this thread is massive. I'm sure there is a lot of gold within though, I'll be taking a look.

I'm going to experiment with tinder. Is there a quick guideline cheat sheet about what not to do? Similar to for pof for instance not talking about how your feelings and what you look for in your profile, or including poor pictures of yourself.

It's very casual. To the point where it doesn't even feel like a dating app. It's more social than anything else. So no need to put "I'm looking for a ____" type of thing.

For profile, this is how I would do it, in this order:

(Height, if you're tall) (funny/clever one liner to capture their attention)

(small, interesting description of yourself)

That's it. And in terms of pictures, the usual OLD strategy seems to work. A wide variety of pics that seem candid and not forced. Pictures where you're smiling (my match rate nearly doubled when I changed my main profile pic to a shot of me smiling instead of trying to look suave and sexy), a tasteful shirtless beach shot if you have the body for it, maybe one shot where you're in a suit or otherwise dressed sharp, maybe a shot of you in some sort of interesting activity so she knows you have a life. The usual.

Not that I've ever used them, but interests should be a good way to open a girl up. I tried to like as many things as possible on Facebook that 1.) I actually enjoy and 2.) They actually enjoy. I don't know if it improves the algorithm, but at the very least, I'd think if a girl saw you and her had 10 interests in common, she would be hesitant to swipe left on you. At least not as quickly as she would others. You don't have to like purely feminine stuff. A lot of chicks dig Game Of Thrones, Orange Is The New Black, etc.

Tinder now allows you to upload pictures as "moments," it's a good way to demonstrate high value. It's up to you and your lifestyle and what aspects of your personality you want to show off, but it's a good way to reopen a girl who didn't answer your initial message, or just put yourself on their radar if they have so many matches they haven't been paying attention to you.

For openers, I always go for something to tease them about playfully if I can find something in their pics or profile to use. If not, I'll use something random and silly and out of left field. "Want to help me build a rocket ship?", "I'm not really here for dating, I want to form a real life X-men group. Do you have any mutant powers?" -- it should, if they have a light hearted sense of humor, disarm whatever shield they may have initially. For some guys, getting sexual early works, and I guess it also depends on the woman, but I usually wait a few messages to feel her out. But I guess all of that has more to do with game than it does the app itself.

Moments, really show these fucking girls don't live interesting lives. Out of my 1000 matches, all I see are selfies, legs by the pool pics or animal pics. Why is this great for us, giving these girls shit for being boring/basic, gives you the upperhand over these thirsty dudes, liking every pic.

I prefer the playful asshole game, instead of the nice playful joking game. Nice guy game, puts you in the frame of being a nice orbiter. Asshole game, makes you mysterious and stand out.

Changed my gps settings to Medellin yesterday. Results have been pretty disappointing so far, both in terms of the quality and quantity of girls on tinder as well as liking my pix. I was expecting to see some sexy fake titted chicas but none of that. Only getting love from couple of older chicks.

One of them said there are a lot of desperate American sex tourists on tinder in Colombia. Naturally this doesn't help my case as looks wise I could pass for American

^^when I was in Bogotá late last year it really sucked. Very few girls on it. Tinder still hasn't caught up in Colombia. I wonder if most of these girls are still unable to afford smartphones, so online game only happens at the more traditional sites like OKC and Badoo.

You guys have some really long exchanges.

Just ask her out in the first message. If she says no or doesn't respond, just move on. She wasn't going to go out with you anyway.

I feel like the quality has really slipped on this recently. I may delete my profile for a couple weeks and reload it.

(07-05-2014 01:49 AM)DLuzhin Wrote:  You guys have some really long exchanges.

Just ask her out in the first message. If she says no or doesn't respond, just move on. She wasn't going to go out with you anyway.

This is the worst fucking tinder advice I have ever read and completely undermines the existence of game in the first place

I have an infatuation-hate relationship with this app...

Infatuation: Tons of hot girls
Hate: They all live in a suburb of a locally bordering state (30 min drive) + I don't currently live in a logistically good situation where girls can come over on the reg. Guess I gotta improve on my Tinder-bang-in-the-car game