(06-01-2017 09:30 AM)mcgooie Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 03:25 AM)jackflag Wrote:  What times are bitches usually stalking Tinder? Wanna maximize my boosts.

Sunday and Wednesday evenings are best I believe

I agree. Wednesday is best if you prefer Thursay/Friday/Weekend bangs.

I like Sunday because I don't have much else to do during evenings at the beginning of the week.

Now sure if this is best placed in the travel forum, or here. Just want to add some data from Tindering in Hanoi. I use the TurboMatch app to show me all women who already like me, and I only pick from that group for Matches.


October 2016:
2 week stay. 2 Tinder bangs.
-Chubby 31yo who I had to fuck in an alleyway (my hotel staff banged on the door saying I couldn't have guests, so we went for a walk). After we fucked, we sat in a park talking for a while. Interesting person, claimed she was first person to import US-made sex toys to Vietnam. She also said "If you go to Singapore...rich women will pay you for your body. Trust me." Haven't had the chance to follow up on that...
-A 37yo MILF. She came to my hotel on a Sunday morning with "I don't want money, I just want sex." She's been a regular ever since, always asks when I return, always the first person to come meet me.

I started getting chick's WhatsApp number because they don't always respond quickly on Tinder itself.

January 2017:
also 1 week in Phuket prior to this, with 1 Tinder bang and 1 pipelined. These 2 girls would constitute my next Phuket stay in May 2017, and are some of the best side-chicks I've ever met. Hands down. Back to Hanoi...
1 week stay. 2 Tinder bangs.
-A 22yo who dresses like a nerd but is a total freak with a curvy body. I piqued her interest with "so you wanna do adventurous/dangerous stuff? Ever been tied up on a balcony before?" She came to my hotel about 1am after a drink party. Fucked her on the balcony. Didn't have rope. First woman I've ever had ask me to choke her. Spent the next 4 hours trying to rupture her internal organs and/or make her pass out.
-A 26yo who I opened with "your style is kinda corporate Goth, must be rare in Vietnam".....She hits me back with "You look like Captain America's friend....the one with the wings" and when I invite her over to "curl up and watch movies" she replies "Come on, you are over 30, on Tinder, and have great abs....if I come over we both know nothing will curl up". I had to go pick her up from her parent's place in Hanoi's northeast slums, but we taxied back to my hotel. Said she usually dates white guys but was curious to try a black guy. I think she spent some time in San Francisco in the past...

May-June 2017:
2 weeks into a 5 week stay. This is immediately following my 2 weeks in Phuket, with the two awesome chicks I mentioned.

So far 1 Tinder bang, 1 WeChat bang.
-37yo chubby Filipina. Another "Netflix & Chill" date on a Monday night. Got her over with "You seem kinda artistic. Do you like artistic movies?" Then described 2 films we could watch. RIDICULOUSLY tight pussy.
-40yo yoga chick. Ok, I've only ever banged 2 women from WeChat. The first was a 20yo Chinese from Sichuan, back in ~October 2015, also in Hanoi. This was the second. She postponed our first date with "Hey I can't do coffee tonight....my period just started. But don't worry, it's short, just a few days. I'll meet you then." She's now a regular.
Note on WeChat in Vietnam: I would generally avoid it. It's about 90% prostitutes, and they are kinda aggressive.

I agree that almost all of the women swiping right are doing it because of your photos, and very few even bother to read your profile. I've been asking "So what did you like about my profile?", and of the few that DO read, usually the assholish shit is what gets noticed. Stuff about being polyamorous and how I don't like time-wasters.


Now, allow me to rant......
I dunno WTF happened between January and now, but my Tinder has been FULL of "false positives" from chicks trying to do normal dating shit, or "just looking to talk to new friends". Yesterday I was talking to a 30yo, and after she briefly commented on the idea of me modeling nude for her, she switches to "Hey do you want to bike ride around the lake?"

Bitch, we're in a heat wave. It's ~103F in Hanoi this weekend. The only way I'm burning calories like that with you is in the bedroom.

I've had two Tinder dates of the "get drinks during the week, confirm you're not a psycho, and go home....MAYBE we'll fuck during the weekend". The second of these was the best prospect, a 27yo divorced businesswoman who had lived in Vancouver. But I had already lined up what I felt were decent prospects so I couldn't fit her in my weekend schedule.....and now I don't think that shit will happen. The third, tonight, was a Taiwanese chick (28yo, 1 year working in Vietnam) who told me last week she "wished she'd spent the weekend with me" and she'd be "saving her energy to meet me after dinner"....then she shows up for drinks at 10pm...she's got kinda awkward body language.....and at 11pm says she needs to leave to meet another guy she already knows. -_-. Now, I already fucked my 40yo yoga chick this afternoon but this really annoyed me because I actually had another 28yo Vietnamese chick try to surprise me to hang out tonight, and I stiff-armed her, telling her I already made plans before I met her....which kinda pissed her off. Then I show up to the pre-arranged date with the Taiwanese and she bounces. (YEAH YEAH YEAH, Why am I not double-booking chicks?....just not my style)...In the ensuing conversation she reveals that she's been using Tinder for ~2 months, has met maybe 11 guys, and claims she's never had sex with any of them.
"Your profile isn't clear if you want sex!"
"I've had girls come over my hotel at 1am to fuck all night with the same profile...."
"That's not what Tinder is for! It's for meeting people."
"It's the most notorious hookup app on the planet."
"Well, I'm still glad I met you...You feel same?"
"No. Why would I?" (that really ticked her off, and she stormed away to call someone)


So this trip feels like a night/day difference not only from my January results but also from my fresh time in Phuket...Not sure WTF is going on here. I actually went looking for alternative apps, and found one, CasualX, billed as "for Tinder users tired of people not using Tinder for hookups"...but it seems very few people use it.

So I'm helping my cousin with this Tinder thingamagig.

The girls on his list show up as logged in on "December [day] 2014"....all of them. He lives in a Mexican city of 1.5M people, I know there can't be 0 Tinder users in that city.

He runs an older version of the app though, 4.0.3, on Android. When he ran out of likes he was told to "update to get more likes"

1 - Any idea on how to get girls who recently used Tinder?
2 - Is upgrading his Tinder worth it? The newest version is 7.10.

(06-05-2017 05:53 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  So I'm helping my cousin with this Tinder thingamagig.

The girls on his list show up as logged in on "December [day] 2014"....all of them. He lives in a Mexican city of 1.5M people, I know there can't be 0 Tinder users in that city.

He runs an older version of the app though, 4.0.3, on Android. When he ran out of likes he was told to "update to get more likes"

1 - Any idea on how to get girls who recently used Tinder?
2 - Is upgrading his Tinder worth it? The newest version is 7.10.

The Tinder API was changed and the "last time logged in" feature was broken/removed, sometime earlier this year. I largely prefer Android over iOS....but I still went and bought a used iPhone 5S for the supporting apps like Flame/TurboMatch/etc..... and the superior camera. I don't think I would use Tinder much at all if I had to find matches the traditional way by right-swiping. So my advice would be for him to grab the cheapest iPhone he can find because the extension apps are such a huge force multiplier. I've got Tinder Plus but I honestly can't say if it's worth it or not. I forgot why I originally paid for it, but the $4/month isn't even background noise in the budget so I just keep it....


Also, Monday I smashed a 25yo from Tinder. She agreed to come over for Netflix/Chill Monday night...then asked to come over Monday morning because her shitty apartment has no A/C and she was dying. Chick speaks NO English.....but taught herself Japanese (she works in a bar catering to Japanese businessmen here)....still took me hours to talk her out of her panties in Japanese. Smashed, she went to work Monday night, then I picked her up from work at 1am Tuesday and smashed again.

So maybe those time-wasting dates/matches I was ranting about a few days ago were an anomaly....that said, I still changed my profile to start off with "Our first date should be coffee followed by kinky sex."...just in case.

(04-01-2017 10:47 PM)MathGuy Wrote:  @Eugenics: Don't forget, if you set your radius to 1 mile and you see girls who are somehow more than 1 mile away, it means they already right-swiped you. If you want to swipe conservatively, I recommend setting it to 1 mile.

Trying this. Thanks for the tip.

(07-01-2017 12:28 PM)NextStop100 Wrote:  Yes, I don't see where many men could extract value from this new Tinder Gold.

Most men swipe right on everyone regardless.

There are already apps that let you see who already liked you.

The one potential benefit I would say is... this could help if you are looking to maximize your ELO.

What apps let you do this?

(07-01-2017 12:03 PM)kosko Wrote:  "The ability to see all of those who have 'liked' you right when you sign in."

Just set range to 1 mile. All profiles showing larger distance have already liked you.
I guess that's what all those apps with extra functions are using.

Hey everyone, new member here and loving this site and all the info.

Without going through all 244 pages of this thread, wondering if anyone has a few decent openers they wouldn't mind sharing, specifically for girls who have nothing listed in their profile. Much appreciated.

(07-06-2017 08:23 AM)Conclusion013 Wrote:  Hey everyone, new member here and loving this site and all the info.

Without going through all 244 pages of this thread, wondering if anyone has a few decent openers they wouldn't mind sharing, specifically for girls who have nothing listed in their profile. Much appreciated.

The key is to be original. Know that she is getting hundreds of "hey" messages or "how are you?" generic trash. So you want to stick out. I've used various ones over time, my current one I use (I stole this somewhere):

"What is your second favorite dinosaur?"- This usually gets a response and sometimes they ask why I don't want to know their first. But obviously that's the hook. You get them to reply, whatever means necessary.

I've also used: "I am heading to Walmart in a bit, need anything?"

Just have fun with it. Don't take it seriously. You're not looking for your wife on there (and if you are, you're on the wrong forum). So don't give a fuck. Make sure you're amused.

^Exactly what I came here today for. Good stuff.

This is wicked thank you!

Edit*

Update: I just tried a variation of this. I said "hey xxx I'm heading out for ice cream what flavour do you want?"
It's a really nice day out here so thought that might work. First time I've had someone immediately unmatch me after an opener lol

You can always make a funny or sarcastic comment on one of their photos

I am by no means a tinder expert and haven't found good results yet, but I am still going to keep it in my arsenal and fix things. I have a ton of obvious issues that need to be fixed:

Only one old and blurry picture that basically does nothing but let them know what I sort of look like. I always open with the same two word opener that is incredibly basic. Lately since I've gotten so busy with my cold approach results I haven't been following up much on tinder. I also have a ton of personal issues outside of tinder that destroy my success with the app like living with parents and being out of shape.

Despite this I have gotten 4 lays this year by basically swiping for about a combined 2-4 months (can't remember exactly how much time I spent using the app). This is basically out of meeting less than 10 girls in person. The difference with the past, in which I got noticeably less matches, is that I think I swipe much more selectively now so I guess my elo is higher. Also I can sort of smell out more how things are going to go with girls on tinder based on how they act after the match.

About the opener issue that guys are talking about, I'm certainly not an expert but I think openers on tinder are essentially the same as with cold approaches. Yes, a great opener can really help and get things moving, but an opener in any situation is generally irrelevant to how things will go. Just saying Howdy Beautiful is enough in many cases. It really depends mainly on how the girl is using tinder and the second most important thing is where you take the nature of the conversation. For the most part if she is going to respond she will do so no matter what you say at first (barring extreme openers).

Some girls are on the app just to entertain themselves when bored, some are open to meeting and potentially dating, some want something serious, and some just want to fuck. The vast majority are somewhere between the first three, and no opener is going to get them to just wanting to fuck if they don't already.

It all just depends on the girl, and your approach should just mirror where you want to take things and how committed you are to making the sex happen.

I personally use tinder plus and swipe selectively. The only reason I swipe is to find 5 girls that are either very hot and seem real/willing to meet, but more importantly to find 5 girls that are new flags for me.

I know it isn't the best strategy, but for certain flags I am willing to go through the 1-5 dating scenario.

@ conclusion

You missed the whole point of the Wal-Mart opener. It's tongue in cheak reminiscent of people that are already extremely comfortable with eachother.

Wal-mart is a trashy place to go, most people wouldn't even admit they go there to a new lead. The only reason you would say that and mean it is if you were already comfortable with someone and fairly domestic. And once again it's a joke, tongue in cheek.

Wal-mart opener - hey I don't take this seriously, I'm really comfortable just fucking around, take it or leave it [leaves an opening for her to be creative, say something stupid herself and build rapport]

Ice cream opener - go to ice cream with me [leaves little room for anything but a yes or a no. You're already implying you're paying thus investing in a girl you don't know. Reeks of desperation which is an anti-aphrodisiac].

You would have been better off just saying "anal?" as absurd as that sounds. Keep experimenting you'll get it

In Canada I don't feel like our Wal-Mart's have all taken the trashy image of the US ones so that's why I figured I could just change it to something generic. If a girl is going to unmatch based on something that simple I don't want to waste my time on her anyways. As you mentioned I'll keep experimenting but I appreciate the ideas being offered here.

(07-07-2017 06:02 AM)Conclusion013 Wrote:  In Canada I don't feel like our Wal-Mart's have all taken the trashy image of the US ones so that's why I figured I could just change it to something generic. If a girl is going to unmatch based on something that simple I don't want to waste my time on her anyways. As you mentioned I'll keep experimenting but I appreciate the ideas being offered here.

it sounded like you asked her on a date, she didn't want to go on a date with you, so she unmatched. That's one of the most common reasons for a girl to unmatch you.

That's good, you didn't waste time on a girl who didn't want to fuck you.

Hey, so it's more of a Tinder (and Bumble for this matter) usability question. So I'm 41, and I've been messing around in the settings with the age ranges and toggling "Show me on Tinder". My question is, do my right swipes (or left swipes) stay/show up on the profile that I right swiped on?

Let's say I swipe right on someone who is 40 (when I set the age range to 30-50), then change the age ranges then to show me 18-29 and swipe right on someone who is 24. Now afterwards, I toggle the "Show Me", from on to off. Would I still be shown to those two people?

I know now that Tinder Plus has the option that you can control who sees you (Only people I've right swiped will see me). But up until now I don't have Tinder Plus.

I've gone through this thread, I know that it touched upon switching to show Men&Women to refresh your profile in the deck, and I've just been messing around with it, but you know what happens when you tinker too much.

(09-01-2018 06:48 PM)bonkers Wrote:  Question: I’m 34 and my age seems to be a bit of a disqualifier for my ideal dating age - eg 25

However, I know when I meet them, I don’t look 25 and can match the vibe they are looking for.

Should I:
1) Hide my age using Tinder Plus

2) Create another profile with a younger age and pretend that Facebook won’t let me change it.
If so:
a) what should I place my age at? 28, 30 or 31?

b) when would be the best time to reveal my real age? In the profile? When we first start chatting or in person after I have a chance to build attraction?

I’m 50 and I write 34 on my Tinder profile. My pics are recent though but I look younger than my age. No girl ever asked anything. I target 18-25.

1) don’t hide your age. It raises more questions than it answers.

2) a) show your age as 28 or 29 to be below the 30 barrier in search filters. You can easily change your age on the attached FB account and it will update on Tinder.
b) only reveal your age if she asks explicitly. But she won’t ask.

(09-04-2018 03:28 AM)Montrose Wrote:  My pics are recent though but I look younger than my age.

Says every old person ever.

But hey if FOIDs are instantly disqualifying men with an age filter then most men should lower their ages on that app (the sweet spot being 26 - 32 if I had to guess. Younger might be viewed as too inexperienced or needy. Older too old).

(09-04-2018 02:58 AM)BaatumMania Wrote:  

(09-03-2018 08:44 PM)NextStop100 Wrote:  I used to match gorgeous women in Europe (some pics in my previous posts from months ago). Now, I match shit in Europe. Same cities, same picture set on my profile .

Is it a brand new profile?

Maybe some women remembered your face and then swiped left (which punished your ELO).

Or maybe the first time women swiped right a lot, which boosted your ELO, and then that led to more women seeing your profile.

The ELO is rather brutal. It's pretty much the equivalent of 'rich get richer' but on Tinder. Or it's kind of like how the top YouTubers get more and more popular even if they are bad people or not that entertaining.

Brand new account, same pics.

Let me clarify: I still match attractive hotties, but the quantity and quality has definitely gone down.

For the past 3 or so years, when I spoofed to Europe I would always match tons of hot women. This is how I would test if my account was shadow banned or not because it would be dry in the USA. I dont know if Tinder is losing popularity in Scandinavia, or if the algo has changed where its harder to get quality matches and I just haven't adapted properly yet. I suspect its a combination of both.

(09-04-2018 03:28 AM)Montrose Wrote:  I’m 50 and I write 34 on my Tinder profile. My pics are recent though but I look younger than my age. No girl ever asked anything. I target 18-25.

My hat off if at 50 you look 34.

At this point I purely use the Newbie boost by just deleting and re-creating my account every few days. Where I'm located (northeast US) there's no reason to use Tinder (or any other dating app) as anything more than an extremely passive stream of dates. And no, I have neither Plus nor Gold.

Quote:My hat off if at 50 you look 34.

I don’t look 34, but young girls have no idea what a 50 years old looks like. Most people guess around 10 years younger than my age when asked. It helps that I have all my hair, and little white hair.

When I was 42 I told a girl that I was 34. She looked at me intensely and said: ‘you can’t be 34; you’re 28!’

My point is that you can usually get away with big age gaps.

Quote:Says every old person ever

Improving health in modern societies have made most people look young for longer. Old people like we imagine, all wrinkled and graybeards, have all but disappeared except from the poorest areas.

The is particularly true for tall ectomorphs like me.

(09-04-2018 06:07 AM)Rang off the Pipe Wrote:  At this point I purely use the Newbie boost by just deleting and re-creating my account every few days. Where I'm located (northeast US) there's no reason to use Tinder (or any other dating app) as anything more than an extremely passive stream of dates. And no, I have neither Plus nor Gold.

My experience swiping in North America and GPS spoofing to Australia was I mainly getting Asian women (who were often international students or whatever). Then it makes you wonder why bother when you could go to actual Asia (where it's cheaper) and get 10x or 20x more matches. Same thing when guys brag about matching with Latinas when they could go to actual Latin America and get 10x more matches.

White western women don't seem easy on dating apps and I was even on Plenty of Fish before Tinder came out. The one blaring exception seems to be when I am swiping in Ukraine (especially outside of Kiev) but FSU women are so annoying and pushy about marriages and LTRs.

Western white women are mostly day game / social circle game and I would even say looks are the most important attribute for them (unless you're using a slightly different dating app like Seeking Arrangement). If you're a 7 then you're probably going to get rejected constantly unless you're swinging for 3s and 4s.

(09-04-2018 06:15 AM)Montrose Wrote:  

Quote:My hat off if at 50 you look 34.

I don’t look 34, but young girls have no idea what a 50 years old looks like. Most people guess around 10 years younger than my age when asked. It helps that I have all my hair, and little white hair.

When I was 42 I told a girl that I was 34. She looked at me intensely and said: ‘you can’t be 34; you’re 28!’

My point is that you can usually get away with big age gaps.

Quote:Says every old person ever

Improving health in modern societies have made most people look young for longer. Old people like we imagine, all wrinkled and graybeards, have all but disappeared except from the poorest areas.

The is particularly true for tall ectomorphs like me.

Still, not every man looks younger or takes good care of his physique.
Many look actually their age and sometimes even older. Lot of booze, poor genetics, lack of sleep and an unhealthy diet are to blame.

Usually black and mixed people age better and look way younger but this has little to do with their lifestyle, their genetics are good in this aspect. A white man looking way younger puts in more efforts but genetics still play a big role. As you say it yourself, you are tall, ectomorph, have your hair and few grey hair, it explains it.

Staying away from diseases and traumatic events that life can bring also helps. I used to look way younger and in 1 year it looks like I gaiend 10 years. Lot of stress, a bad diet and insomnias caused this...